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HORL - knife sharpener - Made in Germany

#1 Post by Martin Zwick » May 8th, 2019, 11:14 pm

Here comes a hand crafted knife sharpener from the Black Forest. It got great reviews in Germany. I will order it soon.
Video included on their website.

https://www.horl-1993.com


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#2 Post by Robert M yers » May 10th, 2019, 4:09 am

Will Alan yell at me if I sharpen my Japanese knives with this set-up? It looks too easy...

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#3 Post by Stan Y. » May 10th, 2019, 5:21 am

The magnets which hold the blade to the block also help hold the sharpening surface of the cylinder evenly against the blade?

There's a 25% coupon on Amazon for this.
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#4 Post by Martin Zwick » May 10th, 2019, 6:31 am

Robert M yers wrote:
May 10th, 2019, 4:09 am
Will Alan yell at me if I sharpen my Japanese knives with this set-up? It looks too easy...
Also for Japanese knives. just for the record I have only Japanese knives

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#5 Post by Henry Kiichli » May 10th, 2019, 7:17 am

Hi Martin,

Very clever and cool!
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#6 Post by Alan Eden » May 10th, 2019, 7:47 am

Robert M yers wrote:
May 10th, 2019, 4:09 am
Will Alan yell at me if I sharpen my Japanese knives with this set-up? It looks too easy...
Im a purist

Japanese knives need to stone sharpened end of story, anything else is lazy.
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#7 Post by Jay Miller » May 10th, 2019, 11:00 am

Robert M yers wrote:
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Will Alan yell at me if I sharpen my Japanese knives with this set-up? It looks too easy...
Yes.
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#8 Post by Tom G l a s g o w » May 10th, 2019, 6:47 pm

Martin Zwick wrote:
May 8th, 2019, 11:14 pm
Here comes a hand crafted knife sharpener from the Black Forest. It got great reviews in Germany. I will order it soon.
Video included on their website.

https://www.horl-1993.com


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Sold out on their website (maybe USA only).

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#9 Post by Martin Zwick » May 10th, 2019, 10:37 pm

Tom G l a s g o w wrote:
May 10th, 2019, 6:47 pm
Martin Zwick wrote:
May 8th, 2019, 11:14 pm
Here comes a hand crafted knife sharpener from the Black Forest. It got great reviews in Germany. I will order it soon.
Video included on their website.

https://www.horl-1993.com


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Martin
Sold out on their website (maybe USA only).

go to AMAZON

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#10 Post by Martin Zwick » May 10th, 2019, 11:29 pm

Henry Kiichli wrote:
May 10th, 2019, 7:17 am
Hi Martin,

Very clever and cool!

I thought so too.

BTW, it´s possible to buy 2 extra grain sizes for an even sharper knife in Germany chez Amazon.
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#11 Post by Chris S p i k e s » May 11th, 2019, 7:09 am

Alan Eden wrote:
May 10th, 2019, 7:47 am
Robert M yers wrote:
May 10th, 2019, 4:09 am
Will Alan yell at me if I sharpen my Japanese knives with this set-up? It looks too easy...
Im a purist

Japanese knives need to stone sharpened end of story, anything else is lazy.
Hmmm, that statement could apply to any number of modern conveniences, such as dishwashers, washing machines, computers, etc. Sometimes the new convenience tools can so nearly replicate (or exceed) the traditional methods as to render them not worthwhile to the vast majority.

Knife forums are full of these debates, but those remind me of the wine debates regarding 1st Growths vs 2nd Growths. At some point, the extra skill, and therefore time spent learning the skill, isn't worth the final 0.1% of potential advantage.

No one is arguing that time on the stones with skilled hands doesn't give you an outstanding result. But, an easy and no-skills-required approach for everyone else can be great too.

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#12 Post by AlexS » May 11th, 2019, 8:43 am

Yeah, I'm def buying this to sharpen my Japanese knives, have never felt like learning how to use sharpening stones and paying a pro knife sharpener ain't exactly economical. Will be sure to do a review once I've tried it.
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#13 Post by Robert M yers » May 11th, 2019, 9:00 am

Stan Y. wrote:
May 10th, 2019, 5:21 am
The magnets which hold the blade to the block also help hold the sharpening surface of the cylinder evenly against the blade?

There's a 25% coupon on Amazon for this.
Hints on where the coupon is?

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#14 Post by Robert M yers » May 11th, 2019, 9:06 am

I learned from the Shun site that their knives are angled at 16 degrees, which should be a good match for this product. They say most German knives are angled at 20-25 which seems like it might change the dynamic since it’s a different type of steel?

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#15 Post by AlexS » May 11th, 2019, 9:50 am

Robert M yers wrote:
May 11th, 2019, 9:00 am
Stan Y. wrote:
May 10th, 2019, 5:21 am
The magnets which hold the blade to the block also help hold the sharpening surface of the cylinder evenly against the blade?

There's a 25% coupon on Amazon for this.
Hints on where the coupon is?
It's a little checkbox, only for Prime tho.
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#16 Post by Jay Selman » May 11th, 2019, 9:14 pm

Alan Eden wrote:
Im a purist

Japanese knives need to stone sharpened end of story, anything else is lazy.
Can you elaborate a bit on the first part this point? Is there an underlying technical basis? At face value it would seem that any system that reduces some of “human error” inherent in a non mechanical approach would be an improvement.

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#17 Post by Alan Eden » May 11th, 2019, 9:41 pm

Jay

Japanese knives have a much finer bevel than German of US knives, 15 degrees against 20-25 this requires more care to get a smooth edge. The steel is often softer which means it can easily be damaged by a bad sharpening, if you take off to much metal you risk burring and uneven bevel shape which could seriously reducing the lifespan of your blade as you fix any mistakes. Also some of the more speciality Japanese blades like the yanagiba or deba are single bevel and require a lot of experience to sharpen, even experienced home experts take these to a pro.
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#18 Post by Alan Eden » May 11th, 2019, 9:43 pm

Chris S p i k e s wrote:
May 11th, 2019, 7:09 am
Alan Eden wrote:
May 10th, 2019, 7:47 am
Robert M yers wrote:
May 10th, 2019, 4:09 am
Will Alan yell at me if I sharpen my Japanese knives with this set-up? It looks too easy...
Im a purist

Japanese knives need to stone sharpened end of story, anything else is lazy.
Hmmm, that statement could apply to any number of modern conveniences, such as dishwashers, washing machines, computers, etc. Sometimes the new convenience tools can so nearly replicate (or exceed) the traditional methods as to render them not worthwhile to the vast majority.

Knife forums are full of these debates, but those remind me of the wine debates regarding 1st Growths vs 2nd Growths. At some point, the extra skill, and therefore time spent learning the skill, isn't worth the final 0.1% of potential advantage.

No one is arguing that time on the stones with skilled hands doesn't give you an outstanding result. But, an easy and no-skills-required approach for everyone else can be great too.
Chris

That's a very weak argument, you really going to say that Margaux is only 0.1% better than Brane Cantenac ?
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#19 Post by Martin Zwick » May 12th, 2019, 12:05 am

I posted this product for people like me who have no manual/handcraft skills whatsoever. In addition these Japanese knives need extra skills.

Fair to say I haven't used it so far but the opinions are quite positive on Amazon Germany. Fair to say they are a few people who are disappointed, but they are in a clear minority. Also I should point out you could buy additional granularity sets for extra extra sharp knives.

I am happy about product experience from American buyers.
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#20 Post by Martin Zwick » May 13th, 2019, 12:10 am

Here a first review by an US customer via Amazon on 4th april:

"This is a great knife sharpener. The built in angle makes it a breeze to sharpen knifes. Even though it can take a little while to change the angle on a knife, it is well worth the effort, my knifes have never been this sharp before. Also, the sharpener looks really good and has a great quality. I highly recommend it, well worth the money!"

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#21 Post by AlexS » May 13th, 2019, 1:10 pm

Mine arrived today, looking forward to giving it a spin (err, roll...).
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#22 Post by Robert M yers » May 13th, 2019, 8:56 pm

AlexS wrote:
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Mine arrived today, looking forward to giving it a spin (err, roll...).
Let us know what you think after trying it out Alex.

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#23 Post by AlexS » May 14th, 2019, 8:27 am

Will do
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#24 Post by MitchTallan » May 15th, 2019, 5:24 am

Mine arrived yesterday. First, it is a beautiful product and is designed incredibly well. It comes with a card that appears to bear the genuine signatures of the father and son team behind it. Please trust me, I would not let it's outward appearance affect my appraisal of its performance. It takes some patience. I found that on my three workhorse globals, three minutes of honing with the diamond side and then about thirty seconds of the de-burring edge got the job done. The results are without a doubt the best I have ever achieved at home. Granted, I have never invested in a top notch stone set. That said, I could not be happier.

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#25 Post by Dan Boerigter » May 19th, 2019, 4:51 pm

I ordered from Amazon and I am very happy with the results.

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#26 Post by Rich Salsano » May 26th, 2019, 11:15 am

I bought one as well and while I need to actually sit and sharpen some of my better knives, I tested it out on a crap knife I keep around and it was tomato slicing sharp after using this. So far, so good.
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#27 Post by Stan Y. » May 27th, 2019, 6:51 am

Just got mine as well.
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#28 Post by Jay Selman » May 28th, 2019, 11:12 am

Rich Salsano wrote:
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I bought one as well and while I need to actually sit and sharpen some of my better knives, I tested it out on a crap knife I keep around and it was tomato slicing sharp after using this. So far, so good.
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#29 Post by Alan Gottlieb » May 28th, 2019, 4:06 pm

I ordered one. I have Shun knives angle is at 16 degrees this is at 15 degrees, any concerns?

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#30 Post by Martin Zwick » May 28th, 2019, 11:36 pm

Alan Gottlieb wrote:
May 28th, 2019, 4:06 pm
I ordered one. I have Shun knives angle is at 16 degrees this is at 15 degrees, any concerns?

That's okay.

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#31 Post by Joe Chanley » May 29th, 2019, 5:30 am

Martin Zwick wrote:
May 28th, 2019, 11:36 pm
Alan Gottlieb wrote:
May 28th, 2019, 4:06 pm
I ordered one. I have Shun knives angle is at 16 degrees this is at 15 degrees, any concerns?

That's okay.
This was my concern as well....ensuring that it wouldn't be an issue with my gyuto

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#32 Post by Alan Gottlieb » May 29th, 2019, 3:11 pm

Martin Zwick wrote:
May 28th, 2019, 11:36 pm
Alan Gottlieb wrote:
May 28th, 2019, 4:06 pm
I ordered one. I have Shun knives angle is at 16 degrees this is at 15 degrees, any concerns?

That's okay.
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#33 Post by Nathan V. » June 7th, 2019, 10:09 am

Any more reviews? I'm considering one of these.
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#34 Post by Jay Selman » June 7th, 2019, 11:10 am

Nathan V. wrote:
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Any more reviews? I'm considering one of these.
I have been happy with it. Easy to use, and it does work. My knifes were somewhat neglected so the first session required about 5 min per side. It take some practice to roll the cylinder back and forth against the knife with even strokes. I sent them some tweaks I would do to the design but I am a satisfied customer.

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#35 Post by Rob Isaacs » August 18th, 2019, 7:58 am

Used this last night at a friend's house and was surprised how much I liked it. Works as good as a diamond steel without having to worry about the angles, it will remove steel from your knife. Simple to use and a great way to maintain a knife edge.

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#36 Post by K_F_o_l_e_y » August 21st, 2019, 1:04 pm

Wusthof knives are 14-degree angle per side, while Henckels are 15.

My knife lady, who uses an Edge Pro, is thinking about retiring so I might have to look into this...
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#37 Post by Frank Drew » September 8th, 2019, 3:43 pm

Robert M yers wrote:
May 10th, 2019, 4:09 am
Will Alan yell at me if I sharpen my Japanese knives with this set-up? It looks too easy...
I wouldn’t use this sharpener for most traditional Japanese kitchen knife blades which have a wide bevel on one side and a flat or slightly hollow face on the other side so aren’t sharpened symmetrically. Japanese blades made in the Western style should be fine, though.

Anyone worried about keeping an original, not 15 degree bevel angle can slip a thin shim under one end of the blade holding block to give it the right amount of corrective tilt.

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