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Anyone really into drinking Tea?

#1 Post by Mark B » May 7th, 2019, 8:52 am

I hate to admit knowing next to nothing about the various types of teas. As my curiosity grows, I think I'm going to start learning a whole lot more about it in the coming years. As of right now, I drink a few cups a week. I usually just microwave a mug of water for a few minutes and then steep a bag of Trader Joe's herbal, white, or green tea until it has cooled to drinking temperature.

Outside of casual sipping, I'd really like to dig deeper into its (plausible) abilities to boost the immune system, clear the mind, and relieve stress. How much is rumored and how much is rooted in actual science and fact, I don't know. All I know is it's the second-most consumed beverage, next to water, on the planet, and that it's historical significance, especially in eastern societies, runs deep.

This Youtube video seemed like a great jumping-off point: [cheers.gif]

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#2 Post by Alan Eden » May 7th, 2019, 9:24 am

Well first thing is get a kettle, nobody microwaves tea !!!

Second thing is get a nice teapot, only yobs and peasants use teabags when they are doing serious tea drinking

Learn the art of pot warming, steeping and when to use milk and sweetener
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#3 Post by Jay Miller » May 7th, 2019, 9:29 am

Alan Eden wrote:
May 7th, 2019, 9:24 am
Well first thing is get a kettle, nobody microwaves tea !!!

Second thing is get a nice teapot, only yobs and peasants use teabags when they are doing serious tea drinking

Learn the art of pot warming, steeping and when to use milk and sweetener
Isn't the answer to milk "only if you're British"?
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#4 Post by Mark B » May 7th, 2019, 9:36 am

Jay Miller wrote:
May 7th, 2019, 9:29 am
Alan Eden wrote:
May 7th, 2019, 9:24 am
Well first thing is get a kettle, nobody microwaves tea !!!

Second thing is get a nice teapot, only yobs and peasants use teabags when they are doing serious tea drinking

Learn the art of pot warming, steeping and when to use milk and sweetener
Isn't the answer to milk "only if you're British"?
Not British, but Earl Grey with a splash of cream is an awesome morning alternative when you're not feeling coffee. flirtysmile
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#5 Post by Betty C » May 7th, 2019, 9:53 am

My daily go-to is organic English Breakfast with a heaping spoon of dried goji berries. When I'm feeling fancy I will whisk some matcha powder with soy milk.
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#6 Post by Russell Faulkner » May 7th, 2019, 9:56 am

Yeah the answer to milk and sweetener is never.

I like greener Oolongs, mostly from Taiwan. I buy via Postcard Teas in London and usually have 2-3 on the go.

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#7 Post by Mark B » May 7th, 2019, 10:09 am

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May 7th, 2019, 9:53 am
My daily go-to is organic English Breakfast with a heaping spoon of dried goji berries. When I'm feeling fancy I will whisk some matcha powder with soy milk.
Sounds awesome. I should really explore matcha more, but it's so damn expensive. Well, at least the higher grade stuff is.
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#8 Post by Mark B » May 7th, 2019, 10:11 am

Russell Faulkner wrote:
May 7th, 2019, 9:56 am
Yeah the answer to milk and sweetener is never.

I like greener Oolongs, mostly from Taiwan. I buy via Postcard Teas in London and usually have 2-3 on the go.
Sounds really cool. The video said Oolongs are a very broad class of tea ranging anywhere from 10% oxidation to 85%. Do you know approximately where yours fall? Or any brands and/or names to look for? TIA
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#9 Post by Mark B » May 7th, 2019, 10:14 am

Also, something that caught my attention was the claim that some teas from 500+ year old trees possess psychoactive properties. This would make sense in a religious/spiritual context. Hate to say I know knowing beyond that. If anyone has experience with this kind of stuff, I'm all ears.
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#10 Post by Russell Faulkner » May 7th, 2019, 10:15 am

Mark, check out Postcard teas website. It has a lot of background but it’s unlikely you can buy the same tea in the US.

Of course they will deliver (well they do to me...)

Worth bearing in mind that you get 3-6 cups from the same leaves, so it may appear expensive but on a ‘per cup’ basis, all but the most expensive teas are reasonably priced.

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#11 Post by Mark B » May 7th, 2019, 10:22 am

Russell Faulkner wrote:
May 7th, 2019, 10:15 am
Mark, check out Postcard teas website. It has a lot of background but it’s unlikely you can buy the same tea in the US.

Of course they will deliver (well they do to me...)

Worth bearing in mind that you get 3-6 cups from the same leaves, so it may appear expensive but on a ‘per cup’ basis, all but the most expensive teas are reasonably priced.

Good to know. Thanks!
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#12 Post by Jim Friedman » May 7th, 2019, 11:57 am

I tried the French Breakfast tea at this store and I'm a believer.
Their other teas have been very good too.
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#13 Post by Betty C » May 7th, 2019, 12:28 pm

Mark B wrote:
May 7th, 2019, 10:22 am
Russell Faulkner wrote:
May 7th, 2019, 10:15 am
Mark, check out Postcard teas website. It has a lot of background but it’s unlikely you can buy the same tea in the US.

Of course they will deliver (well they do to me...)

Worth bearing in mind that you get 3-6 cups from the same leaves, so it may appear expensive but on a ‘per cup’ basis, all but the most expensive teas are reasonably priced.

Good to know. Thanks!
A famous kind of Taiwanese tea is gaoshan oolong. Gaoshan translates to high mountain because the teas are grown on mountains there. I happen to have a surplus thanks to generous family members from Taiwan. If you're interested in trying some before you drop $$$ on it, you can send me a PM with your address and I'd be happy to mail you enough for a cup or two. The catch is that I couldn't tell you what type it is because I can't read Chinese.
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#14 Post by Alan Eden » May 7th, 2019, 12:39 pm

Its interesting, everything is fancy this fancy that, oolong, matcha etc etc

A whole country of people was raised on PG tips with a splash of milk and heaven forbid some white tate & lyle sugar, its wonder were not all dead. Try this before dismissing it out of sight, i know its not cool or fancy but if you just take it for what it is then it is a cheap easy wonderful drink.

I know ill get mocked by all the fancy pants but thats OK
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#15 Post by Alan Eden » May 7th, 2019, 12:40 pm

Russell Faulkner wrote:
May 7th, 2019, 9:56 am
Yeah the answer to milk and sweetener is never.

I like greener Oolongs, mostly from Taiwan. I buy via Postcard Teas in London and usually have 2-3 on the go.
Im gathering your a Southern UK woosie who would not understand us council house kids drinking our PG tips
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#16 Post by Mark B » May 7th, 2019, 12:54 pm

Alan Eden wrote:
May 7th, 2019, 12:40 pm
Russell Faulkner wrote:
May 7th, 2019, 9:56 am
Yeah the answer to milk and sweetener is never.

I like greener Oolongs, mostly from Taiwan. I buy via Postcard Teas in London and usually have 2-3 on the go.
Im gathering your a Southern UK woosie who would not understand us council house kids drinking our PG tips
Anyone else in the dark on "PG tips?" [scratch.gif]
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#17 Post by Mark B » May 7th, 2019, 12:59 pm

Betty C wrote:
May 7th, 2019, 12:28 pm
Mark B wrote:
May 7th, 2019, 10:22 am
Russell Faulkner wrote:
May 7th, 2019, 10:15 am
Mark, check out Postcard teas website. It has a lot of background but it’s unlikely you can buy the same tea in the US.

Of course they will deliver (well they do to me...)

Worth bearing in mind that you get 3-6 cups from the same leaves, so it may appear expensive but on a ‘per cup’ basis, all but the most expensive teas are reasonably priced.

Good to know. Thanks!

A famous kind of Taiwanese tea is gaoshan oolong. Gaoshan translates to high mountain because the teas are grown on mountains there. I happen to have a surplus thanks to generous family members from Taiwan. If you're interested in trying some before you drop $$$ on it, you can send me a PM with your address and I'd be happy to mail you enough for a cup or two. The catch is that I couldn't tell you what type it is because I can't read Chinese.
Gonna pass for now, but thanks so much for the generous offer! [cheers.gif]
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#18 Post by Betty C » May 7th, 2019, 2:08 pm

Mark B wrote:
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Gonna pass for now, but thanks so much for the generous offer! [cheers.gif]
Any time! champagne.gif
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#19 Post by Betty C » May 7th, 2019, 2:16 pm

Alan Eden wrote:
May 7th, 2019, 12:39 pm
Its interesting, everything is fancy this fancy that, oolong, matcha etc etc

A whole country of people was raised on PG tips with a splash of milk and heaven forbid some white tate & lyle sugar, its wonder were not all dead. Try this before dismissing it out of sight, i know its not cool or fancy but if you just take it for what it is then it is a cheap easy wonderful drink.

I know ill get mocked by all the fancy pants but thats OK
Is this in response to Russell's comment about never using milk and sweeteners? Or are you calling me "fancy pants" too?
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#20 Post by Jay Miller » May 7th, 2019, 3:02 pm

Mark B wrote:
May 7th, 2019, 12:54 pm
Alan Eden wrote:
May 7th, 2019, 12:40 pm
Russell Faulkner wrote:
May 7th, 2019, 9:56 am
Yeah the answer to milk and sweetener is never.

I like greener Oolongs, mostly from Taiwan. I buy via Postcard Teas in London and usually have 2-3 on the go.
Im gathering your a Southern UK woosie who would not understand us council house kids drinking our PG tips
Anyone else in the dark on "PG tips?" [scratch.gif]
I had to google though I was correct in my guess that it was a brand.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/PG_Tips
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#21 Post by Alan Eden » May 7th, 2019, 4:59 pm

PG tips are the Heinz ketchup of teas
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#22 Post by Jason Hagen » May 7th, 2019, 5:16 pm

Check this.

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#23 Post by Russell Faulkner » May 7th, 2019, 10:13 pm

Discussing PG Tips here is the equivalent of discussing whatever the cheapest, mass produced wine available in the US is.

Go for it if that interests you but save the reverse snobbism it’s boring.

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#24 Post by Alan Eden » May 7th, 2019, 10:23 pm

Russell Faulkner wrote:
May 7th, 2019, 10:13 pm
Discussing PG Tips here is the equivalent of discussing whatever the cheapest, mass produced wine available in the US is.

Go for it if that interests you but save the reverse snobbism it’s boring.
Thats a ridiculous comparison.

Your saying that just because something is popular it cant be good, its not reverse snobbism at all. How many people still enjoy simple food and drink from the early years upto say 25 when generally people start exploring more speciality items. I love a USDA prime rib eye, yet still enjoy the cheap British sausage, I love artisan bread served fresh with a compote butter and aged cheddar but also still love a cheap sandwich bread toasted with baked beans. I love a fine Belgian trippel beer but you cant beat a great pint of Guinness. There are dozens of things like these.

So its not reverse snobbism its the belief that to enjoy the finer things in life you need the basics first. Nobody started wine drinking with first growths, everyone ( unless your stupid wealthy ) starts with $5 wines and works up.

Maybe your lucky and were born into wealth but most people are not.
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#25 Post by Russell Faulkner » May 7th, 2019, 11:17 pm

Go ahead and start some threads on Kraft cheese, twinkies, Bud light and Mars bars.

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#26 Post by Russell Faulkner » May 8th, 2019, 1:24 am

Here is a current everyday favourite, https://www.postcardteas.com/site/product/baozhong/

Works out about $0.25 a (very large in my case) cup. For an (effectively) organic product grown and roasted by a single individual teamaster in Taiwan.

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#27 Post by Mark R » May 8th, 2019, 5:51 am

The website "The English Tea Store" has pretty good deals on large bags of loose-leaf (the stuff in tea bags is not considered the best part of the leaf - more like the leftover bits). They also have sampler packs, where you can try a large variety of teas, sometimes collected into 'themes', without making a major commitment to any one flavor or variety. My go-to is the "Earl Grey Cream" which I just enjoyed this morning with a homemade scone.

As far as making the tea, you can put the loose leaves in a ball-type strainer, but I just use a Bodum press-pot, like you use for coffee. I use (and break) these so much that I bought 4 to keep in the closet last black friday (I think Target had them for like $10 each, but $30 is closer to normal price). Bonus of the press pot: you can make amazing cold brew coffee in it - just put coffee grounds, cold water and brown sugar in it, keep it on the counter overnight, then slowly press it the next morning for some high-concentrate caffeine octane: https://food52.com/recipes/2018-magical-coffee
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#28 Post by Russell Faulkner » May 8th, 2019, 6:01 am

I use something like this.
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#29 Post by Betty C » May 8th, 2019, 1:53 pm

Anyway...back to Mark's original post. If the goal is to drink tea for the health benefits, skip the milk & sugar.
Why? Well to get to the bottom of this issue, last week I spent an afternoon at the Fifth International Scientific Symposium on Tea and Human Health, where I picked the brains of lots of researchers.

Turns out, there seems to be a consensus about one thing: Milk proteins can bind with the beneficial plant compounds known as flavonols in tea. (You may have heard these compounds referred to by specific names such as catechins.) And, according to some scientists, the binding may make it tough for the body to absorb the flavonols and get the health benefits.
Read more here.
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#30 Post by Siun o'Connell » May 8th, 2019, 5:18 pm

English breakfast drinker here as my daily 3 cups ... with cream.

I do enjoy finer teas at times and am quite fond of Kusmi tea's Tchai. They are a historic brand and have some very interesting offerings. They sell a wellness tea sampler at a reasonable cost if you want to experiment - https://us-en.kusmitea.com/wellness-tea ... tment.html


PS - the Bloomingdale's Home store at least used to carry the Kusmi teas - since you're in Chicago. you might want to check.

Also, some of us were going to do a tea tasting - never got around to it but there was a good shop for doing that: https://www.adagio.com/stores/il_chicago.html (see the list on that page of planned tastings.

And here are more options - the first sounds interesting -https://specialtyteaalliance.org/world- ... icago-tea/

And of course Vanilla patisserie serves very good tea with their pastries in their little cafe room/

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#31 Post by Mark B » May 9th, 2019, 9:26 am

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English breakfast drinker here as my daily 3 cups ... with cream.

I do enjoy finer teas at times and am quite fond of Kusmi tea's Tchai. They are a historic brand and have some very interesting offerings. They sell a wellness tea sampler at a reasonable cost if you want to experiment - https://us-en.kusmitea.com/wellness-tea ... tment.html


PS - the Bloomingdale's Home store at least used to carry the Kusmi teas - since you're in Chicago. you might want to check.

Also, some of us were going to do a tea tasting - never got around to it but there was a good shop for doing that: https://www.adagio.com/stores/il_chicago.html (see the list on that page of planned tastings.

And here are more options - the first sounds interesting -https://specialtyteaalliance.org/world- ... icago-tea/

And of course Vanilla patisserie serves very good tea with their pastries in their little cafe room/
Thanks for all the info, Siun. I'll look into these!
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#32 Post by Mark B » May 9th, 2019, 9:29 am

Also, this may sound a bit crazy to most, but it's piqued my interest. Taken from Reddit, the idea is infusing catnip into tea as a night cap for enhancing your sleep. Curious to know if anyone besides this Reddit user has tried it.

"I like to steep Catnip in my nightly tea for a a drowsy effect as I read myself to sleep. It is part of the mint family and has mild psychoactive effects in humans. It grows like a weed so I have plenty of it around the house. It tastes like a strong pungent mint. If you like savory flavors, this will be right up your alley since I feel it is a combination of both savory and mint, a very interesting combination.
I also like Chamomile and Hibiscus tea since they also have a relaxing effect but those don't grow as easily so I have to buy these. I use this as my base for steeping dried Catnip in if i'm feeling like I need some help getting to sleep.
Hibiscus is actually used as a naturual flavoring for many processed drinks and foods as it tastes almost exactly like a fruit punch juice, more closely to Cranberries.
I keep dried Hibiscus stored in mason jars that I will make tea from by itself. It has its on psychoactive effect as well, albeit mild as most teas are.
My favorite tea for reading is an Oolong or Earl Grey tea, however not psychoactive they still contains tons of antioxidant like most teas do.
Thought this old paper had some interesting statements as well. I can attest to seeing mild visuals when I have tea and try to sleep but nothing more or less significant as pressing your thumbs into your closed eye to produce Phosphenes but without actually having to use pressure. I wouldn't put high hopes of having an "experience" but the effects are noticeable enough to be pleasant and help me sleep."
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#33 Post by Mark B » May 9th, 2019, 10:06 am

Does anyone have experience with this stuff? It appears to be the zenith of quality tea. The prices they command are mind-blowing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Da_Hong_Pao
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#34 Post by Mark Y » May 9th, 2019, 12:26 pm

Mark B wrote:
May 9th, 2019, 10:06 am
Does anyone have experience with this stuff? It appears to be the zenith of quality tea. The prices they command are mind-blowing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Da_Hong_Pao
Yah. Good DHP is Greatness. Problem is there are different levels of it. And some label fraud etc.

I’m no expert but I do know this. Imagine the vastness that is wine knowledge/world. There’s an equal vastness of tea knowledge/world.
From soil. tea growing. Variety. Terrior. Service. Temp/equipment etc. it’s nuts if u go deep on it.


Kinda like saying I wanna learn about wine.
I heard Grand cru burgundy is good. Is it? ;)
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#35 Post by Mark B » May 9th, 2019, 12:37 pm

Mark Y wrote:
May 9th, 2019, 12:26 pm
Mark B wrote:
May 9th, 2019, 10:06 am
Does anyone have experience with this stuff? It appears to be the zenith of quality tea. The prices they command are mind-blowing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Da_Hong_Pao
Yah. Good DHP is Greatness. Problem is there are different levels of it. And some label fraud etc.

I’m no expert but I do know this. Imagine the vastness that is wine knowledge/world. There’s an equal vastness of tea knowledge/world.
From soil. tea growing. Variety. Terrior. Service. Temp/equipment etc. it’s nuts if u go deep on it.


Kinda like saying I wanna learn about wine.
I heard Grand cru burgundy is good. Is it? ;)
Seems spot-on. At least a tea habit won’t financially ruin me the way Burgundy does.
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#36 Post by Mark Y » May 9th, 2019, 1:01 pm

Mark B wrote:
May 9th, 2019, 12:37 pm
Mark Y wrote:
May 9th, 2019, 12:26 pm
Mark B wrote:
May 9th, 2019, 10:06 am
Does anyone have experience with this stuff? It appears to be the zenith of quality tea. The prices they command are mind-blowing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Da_Hong_Pao
Yah. Good DHP is Greatness. Problem is there are different levels of it. And some label fraud etc.

I’m no expert but I do know this. Imagine the vastness that is wine knowledge/world. There’s an equal vastness of tea knowledge/world.
From soil. tea growing. Variety. Terrior. Service. Temp/equipment etc. it’s nuts if u go deep on it.


Kinda like saying I wanna learn about wine.
I heard Grand cru burgundy is good. Is it? ;)
Seems spot-on. At least a tea habit won’t financially ruin me the way Burgundy does.
[snort.gif]
Oh you just haven’t gone deep enough yet.
I’ve heard people paying thousands for discs of pu’er hahaha
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#37 Post by Mark R » May 9th, 2019, 4:04 pm

Mark Y wrote:
May 9th, 2019, 1:01 pm
Mark B wrote:
May 9th, 2019, 12:37 pm
Mark Y wrote:
May 9th, 2019, 12:26 pm


Yah. Good DHP is Greatness. Problem is there are different levels of it. And some label fraud etc.

I’m no expert but I do know this. Imagine the vastness that is wine knowledge/world. There’s an equal vastness of tea knowledge/world.
From soil. tea growing. Variety. Terrior. Service. Temp/equipment etc. it’s nuts if u go deep on it.


Kinda like saying I wanna learn about wine.
I heard Grand cru burgundy is good. Is it? ;)
Seems spot-on. At least a tea habit won’t financially ruin me the way Burgundy does.
[snort.gif]
Oh you just haven’t gone deep enough yet.
I’ve heard people paying thousands for discs of pu’er hahaha
Tea seems to be a drink that attracts people named Mark (and with a "K" no less! Astounding! - we are a dying breed).
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#38 Post by Mark B » May 9th, 2019, 5:06 pm

Mark R wrote:
May 9th, 2019, 4:04 pm
Mark Y wrote:
May 9th, 2019, 1:01 pm
Mark B wrote:
May 9th, 2019, 12:37 pm


Seems spot-on. At least a tea habit won’t financially ruin me the way Burgundy does.
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Oh you just haven’t gone deep enough yet.
I’ve heard people paying thousands for discs of pu’er hahaha
Tea seems to be a drink that attracts people named Mark (and with a "K" no less! Astounding! - we are a dying breed).
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Re: Anyone really into drinking Tea?

#39 Post by Mark B » May 9th, 2019, 5:07 pm

Mark B wrote:
May 9th, 2019, 5:06 pm
Mark R wrote:
May 9th, 2019, 4:04 pm
Mark Y wrote:
May 9th, 2019, 1:01 pm

Oh you just haven’t gone deep enough yet.
I’ve heard people paying thousands for discs of pu’er hahaha
Tea seems to be a drink that attracts people named Mark (and with a "K" no less! Astounding! - we are a dying breed).
Mark³ [cheers.gif] [cheers.gif] [cheers.gif]
Edit: just realized Mark cubed is technically four Marks...
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Re: Anyone really into drinking Tea?

#40 Post by Mark B » May 9th, 2019, 5:10 pm

Mark B wrote:
May 9th, 2019, 5:07 pm
Mark B wrote:
May 9th, 2019, 5:06 pm
Mark R wrote:
May 9th, 2019, 4:04 pm


Tea seems to be a drink that attracts people named Mark (and with a "K" no less! Astounding! - we are a dying breed).
Mark³ [cheers.gif] [cheers.gif] [cheers.gif]
Edit: just realized Mark cubed is technically four Marks...
2nd edit: then realized the number "1" cubed is still "1". I think I broke my brain. Honestly, I have no idea what Mark cubed would be. Oh well, guess we may never know. Sorry for the thread drift.
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