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#1 Post by Mark Y » November 3rd, 2018, 5:17 pm

Anyone try these? $100 Jamon Serrano from Costco?
comes with stand/knife.. not the highest quality set, but seems to work ok?

How's the quality of the ham? Seems like incredibly inexpensive for 14lb of Serrano imported from Spain.
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#2 Post by Nola Palomar » November 3rd, 2018, 5:37 pm

Do you have a link or photo? I’ve looked on the Costco website and I don’t see it.
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#4 Post by Chuck Miller » November 3rd, 2018, 7:42 pm

Not the same as the one the OP mentioned. I can’t find it either.
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#5 Post by Mark Y » November 4th, 2018, 12:09 am

photos attached thanks!
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#6 Post by Mark Y » November 4th, 2018, 12:10 am

I’m finding m the ability to cut a consistently thin slice- a serious SKILL.
I cut my finger on my first try. ;)
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#7 Post by Jorge Henriquez » November 4th, 2018, 4:23 am

Looks pretty legit. That is an unbelievable price! Usually the jamonera and knife themselves go for around $100.

What location of the country was this gem found in?
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#8 Post by CJ Beazley » November 4th, 2018, 5:29 am

The link now says $219.99
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#9 Post by Nola Palomar » November 4th, 2018, 5:30 am

I am going to look into this, but they were just approved to import.
Import number 45 Noel Alimentaria S.A.U. on 10/11/2018
That is the date they can start their process of curing, so 18 months forward to the approval date. USDA does not go backwards. With the costs that are involved in the process, I don't see how they can do this unless they are getting the hogs from a foreign provider (China or India), then bringing the hams into Spain and curing. I am going to check who their slaughter house is as well. I am skeptical.
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#10 Post by Nola Palomar » November 4th, 2018, 5:51 am

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I am going to look into this, but they were just approved to import.
Import number 45 Noel Alimentaria S.A.U. on 10/11/2018
That is the date they can start their process of curing, so 18 months forward to the approval date. USDA does not go backwards. With the costs that are involved in the process, I don't see how they can do this unless they are getting the hogs from a foreign provider (China or India), then bringing the hams into Spain and curing. I am going to check who their slaughter house is as well. I am skeptical.
So this is their slaughter house Approval #38 APA Processing BZ S.L. on 12/01/2015

Noel is a HUGE conglomerate mass producing 54,000 Jamones per week between 3 different secodores (curing plants) Obviously volume drives prices lower and very likely the meat origin IS NOT SPAIN. I am still going to check though how a newly approved establishment less than a month ago has 18 month cured jamones in the US, complete with label approval etc.
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#11 Post by George Hejna » November 4th, 2018, 6:00 am

Nice job Nola. I will be interested to see what you can find out. Anyway to tell for sure where the pigs are from?

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#12 Post by Russell Faulkner » November 4th, 2018, 6:12 am

They have been selling whole hams in the UK for years. Quality isn’t great but fun for a big gathering.

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#13 Post by Scott G r u n e r » November 4th, 2018, 9:16 am

Saw this locally. A fellow board member had a chance to try and said it was mediocre
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#14 Post by Mark Y » November 4th, 2018, 4:47 pm

Yah thanks Nola.. interested in what you can find out.

I got one.. i mean it's $99.. worst case it gets me some practice.. cutting them into consistently thin slices is super hard!..
I too wonder if the pig is from Spain, that is an incredibly low price.

Tried some last night.. is it the most amazing Jamon i've ever had? nope.. it's decent.. not bad with some cheese, and quite fun with some wine. Basically, it's plenty good enough for $100. [cheers.gif]
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What location of the country was this gem found in?
This is in Seattle area Costcos
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The link now says $219.99
The link above is not the same product..
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#15 Post by David K o l i n » November 4th, 2018, 8:26 pm

Nola Palomar wrote:
November 4th, 2018, 5:51 am
Nola Palomar wrote:
November 4th, 2018, 5:30 am
I am going to look into this, but they were just approved to import.
Import number 45 Noel Alimentaria S.A.U. on 10/11/2018
That is the date they can start their process of curing, so 18 months forward to the approval date. USDA does not go backwards. With the costs that are involved in the process, I don't see how they can do this unless they are getting the hogs from a foreign provider (China or India), then bringing the hams into Spain and curing. I am going to check who their slaughter house is as well. I am skeptical.
So this is their slaughter house Approval #38 APA Processing BZ S.L. on 12/01/2015

Noel is a HUGE conglomerate mass producing 54,000 Jamones per week between 3 different secodores (curing plants) Obviously volume drives prices lower and very likely the meat origin IS NOT SPAIN. I am still going to check though how a newly approved establishment less than a month ago has 18 month cured jamones in the US, complete with label approval etc.
They can sell foreign pigs as Serrano?
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#16 Post by Nola Palomar » November 4th, 2018, 9:22 pm

David K o l i n wrote:
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They can sell foreign pigs as Serrano?
I don’t know, but that’s a ridiculous price. I am going to ask the owner of the jamon curing plant that produces my jamones that I bring in to investigate it for me. I don’t see how any hog farm could produce that number of hogs at that price knowing all of the process that goes into the jamones and the lingth the time they have to be aged, certify them for export the United States, export them, pay for shipping, customs and duties, inspection houses importer payment, warehousing in the US and still get them to the consumer for under $100. I will find out!
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#17 Post by Craig G » November 5th, 2018, 7:06 am

Maybe Chinese hogs are just better at math.
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#18 Post by Victor Hong » November 5th, 2018, 7:29 am

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I’m finding m the ability to cut a consistently thin slice- a serious SKILL.
I cut my finger on my first try. ;)
An unskilled person might require two or three tries, before drawing blood. neener
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Maybe Chinese hogs ......
If raised with low-cost feed, why not? [barf1.gif]
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#19 Post by Nola Palomar » November 5th, 2018, 10:04 am

I have found that Noel is 30% partner with another approved producer, Pernils Llemena and they are probably bringing their jamones in right now until there jamones are aged anyway. I asked my producer and he was reluctant to say much of anything other than who they are. He said likely small jamones with minimal aging, a cheap knife and jamonero and full containers can lessen the costs. Even with that, their costs just to get it into the States, plus I-house, customs, and ground transport, they must have a thread of profit margin. I know in the early times of Navidul they were sourcing the hogs from Poland. Serrano is not a Dominion of Origin like Bellota or Ibericos. So it would not surprise me if they were sourced from elsewhere.

Think of it like a mass produced wine, vs a well made artisan product... Perhaps it will drive my costs down...
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#20 Post by Nola Palomar » November 5th, 2018, 10:10 am

Victor Hong wrote:
November 5th, 2018, 7:29 am
Craig G wrote:
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Maybe Chinese hogs ......
If raised with low-cost feed, why not? [barf1.gif]
That is purely disgusting - dipping the hams in pesticides and spraying them. Floating dead hogs down the river to buyers.. Mixing old spoiled meat with fresh and selling to Mick D's etc..... gross
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#21 Post by David Wright » November 5th, 2018, 10:29 am

Ugh. We need Country Of Origin Labeling.

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#22 Post by Victor Hong » November 5th, 2018, 11:02 am

Nola Palomar wrote:
November 5th, 2018, 10:04 am
I have found that Noel is 30% partner with another approved producer, Pernils Llemena and they are probably bringing their jamones in right now until there jamones are aged anyway. I asked my producer and he was reluctant to say much of anything other than who they are. He said likely small jamones with minimal aging, a cheap knife and jamonero and full containers can lessen the costs. Even with that, their costs just to get it into the States, plus I-house, customs, and ground transport, they must have a thread of profit margin. I know in the early times of Navidul they were sourcing the hogs from Poland. Serrano is not a Dominion of Origin like Bellota or Ibericos. So it would not surprise me if they were sourced from elsewhere.

Think of it like a mass produced wine, vs a well made artisan product... Perhaps it will drive my costs down...
Just like olive oil imported from Italy-------but made in Lebanon, Spain, Greece, Israel, etc.
No wonder that Italy somehow sells more olive oil than it grows. [stirthepothal.gif] pileon strawman
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#23 Post by Victor Hong » November 5th, 2018, 11:03 am

Nola Palomar wrote:
November 5th, 2018, 10:10 am
Victor Hong wrote:
November 5th, 2018, 7:29 am
Craig G wrote:
November 5th, 2018, 7:06 am
Maybe Chinese hogs ......
If raised with low-cost feed, why not? [barf1.gif]
That is purely disgusting - dipping the hams in pesticides and spraying them. Floating dead hogs down the river to buyers.. Mixing old spoiled meat with fresh and selling to Mick D's etc..... gross
So, stop complaining about my shop. neener
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#24 Post by Nola Palomar » November 5th, 2018, 12:38 pm

Victor Hong wrote:
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Just like olive oil imported from Italy-------but made in Lebanon, Spain, Greece, Israel, etc.
No wonder that Italy somehow sells more olive oil than it grows. [stirthepothal.gif] pileon strawman
Except it's well known that they get the majority of their "Italian EVOO" from Spain...



The owner the secadora de Jamon emailed me back again, said they (Noel) produce more in 2 weeks than he produces in a year. It's a mass produced product at a cheap price.
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#25 Post by Dustin Buchko » November 5th, 2018, 3:00 pm

Costco does a 10% markup on products across the board I believe. Helps explain why they have something like this so cheap, whatever the quality.

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#26 Post by Chris S p i k e s » November 6th, 2018, 12:35 pm

Nola Palomar wrote:
November 5th, 2018, 12:38 pm
Victor Hong wrote:
November 5th, 2018, 11:02 am
Just like olive oil imported from Italy-------but made in Lebanon, Spain, Greece, Israel, etc.
No wonder that Italy somehow sells more olive oil than it grows. [stirthepothal.gif] pileon strawman
Except it's well known that they get the majority of their "Italian EVOO" from Spain...



The owner the secadora de Jamon emailed me back again, said they (Noel) produce more in 2 weeks than he produces in a year. It's a mass produced product at a cheap price.
Thanks for the update.

Is it any good? What do they do differently in mass producing it than others on a smaller scale? I would have to assume it's the quality of the pigs more than anything. The salting and aging would be something that seems like it would lend itself to mass production without quality loss, but I only know the rudimentary steps of producing jamon. I love the great stuff and have had it across Spain numerous times and the better quality isn't cheap, but well worth it!

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#27 Post by ERPark » November 6th, 2018, 7:33 pm

Dustin Buchko wrote:
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Costco does a 10% markup on products across the board I believe. Helps explain why they have something like this so cheap, whatever the quality.
There's no blanket policy, but per Wikipedia it's claimed that most products are marked up between 8 to 10%, while their Kirkland Signatures products have a markup of no more than 15%.
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#28 Post by Chris Echeck » November 8th, 2018, 6:10 pm

They had some at the Palm beach gardens Costco tonight

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#29 Post by Nola Palomar » November 8th, 2018, 8:26 pm

Just like we have recalls on hamburger, steaks, poultry and lots of other animal or other food products Spain, also has their issues and recalls. Recently, the Ministry of Health gave a warning for Jamon Iberico being sold for a ridiculously low price thru Carrefour. These Jamones were a real bargain because they offered these Jamones and included a free gift of whiskey with the purchase. Investigators found the Jamones had rat bite marks, spoiled meat etc.
I’m not suggesting that this conglomerate of mass produced Jamones sold at Costco is related to the Jamones from this producer. I don’t know if there is any connection, I’ll check around tomorrow. I do want to make the point that these things happen. I can personally vouch for the producer from Almeria that I use and that I will never be able to compete with the prices for Jamones at Costco.

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#30 Post by Mark Y » November 9th, 2018, 12:21 pm

To be fair, I’d be surprised if many businesses can compete with Costco on pricing alone. Their negotiation power is pretty unrivaled.
Even if their product was identical to yours and came from the exact same source. I would expect them to be cheaper.
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#31 Post by Mike Maguire » November 9th, 2018, 3:25 pm

Having been a vendor for Costco I can tell you they are meticulous with the quality of the products they sell in their warehouses.One thing you will seldom find on their shelves is product past the sell by date for instance.

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#32 Post by Nola Palomar » November 9th, 2018, 7:45 pm

Mike Maguire wrote:
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Having been a vendor for Costco I can tell you they are meticulous with the quality of the products they sell in their warehouses.One thing you will seldom find on their shelves is product past the sell by date for instance.
I am very glad for that. I do not think there is any connection to the problem in Spain right now and the offer that Costco has... it was just a coincidence in timing.
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#33 Post by Scott G r u n e r » November 9th, 2018, 8:38 pm

Mike Maguire wrote:
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Having been a vendor for Costco I can tell you they are meticulous with the quality of the products they sell in their warehouses.One thing you will seldom find on their shelves is product past the sell by date for instance.
Yeah. Know a guy that works in product QC. They wont hesitate to yank something and if they have any doubts about safety... will never hit the shelves
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#34 Post by Nola Palomar » November 10th, 2018, 5:57 am

Just a weird coincidence that Jamones were being sold at a ridiculous prices at the same time. I’ll bet Carrefour is wishing they had the QC that Costco has.
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#35 Post by W. Leonard » November 10th, 2018, 8:16 am

This is also seems like a new producer wanting to come in and gain market share. Come out with a ridiculous price that is sustained by a large wholesaler buying containers of your product. Plus the whole setup has really nice optics at holiday functions. Next thing you know people are talking about your brand and calling their local Costco.

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#36 Post by David K o l i n » November 10th, 2018, 9:44 am

Nola Palomar wrote:
November 5th, 2018, 12:38 pm
Victor Hong wrote:
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Just like olive oil imported from Italy-------but made in Lebanon, Spain, Greece, Israel, etc.
No wonder that Italy somehow sells more olive oil than it grows. [stirthepothal.gif] pileon strawman
Except it's well known that they get the majority of their "Italian EVOO" from Spain...
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#37 Post by Nola Palomar » November 10th, 2018, 1:24 pm

David K o l i n wrote:
November 10th, 2018, 9:44 am
Nola Palomar wrote:
November 5th, 2018, 12:38 pm
Victor Hong wrote:
November 5th, 2018, 11:02 am
Just like olive oil imported from Italy-------but made in Lebanon, Spain, Greece, Israel, etc.
No wonder that Italy somehow sells more olive oil than it grows. [stirthepothal.gif] pileon strawman
Except it's well known that they get the majority of their "Italian EVOO" from Spain...
Who is the “they” here, Nola?
Are you being serious? I mean a serious question deserves a well educated answer...
according to the International Olive Council http://www.internationaloliveoil.org/es ... il-figures
for the harvest 2016/2017 (olives ripen in the winter so some are harvested in late 2016 through early 2017.
Figures are (1000 tons)

Spain -- Produced 1290.6 -- Consumed 454.4
Italy -- Produced 182.3 -- Consumed 439.9
Cyprus -- Produced 6.0 -- Consumed 6.3
Croatia -- Produced 5.0 -- Consumed 7.0
France -- Produced 2.8 -- Consumed 94.0
Greece -- Produced 195.0 -- Consumed 105.0
Malta -- Produced 0.0 -- Consumed 0.8
Portugal -- Produced 69.4 -- Consumed 70.0
Slovenia -- Produced 0.4 -- Consumed 2.1
USA -- Produced 15.0 -- Consumed 315.0
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Re: Jamon Serrano from Costco?

#38 Post by David K o l i n » November 10th, 2018, 3:34 pm

Nola:

I’m aware of the issue. I wanted to know if you were referring specifically to Costco. I know they are pretty careful with their sourcing, and was interested in whether you had specific information that Costco was passing Spanish oil off as Italian
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Re: Jamon Serrano from Costco?

#39 Post by Mike Maguire » November 10th, 2018, 4:05 pm

From the back label, protected designation of origin . Says it comes from Sicily, grown in the municipalities of Palermo and Agrigento.Kirkland EVO Val Di Mazara harvest 2017.Am I missing something?

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Re: Jamon Serrano from Costco?

#40 Post by Nola Palomar » November 10th, 2018, 4:36 pm

David K o l i n wrote:
November 10th, 2018, 3:34 pm
Nola:

I’m aware of the issue. I wanted to know if you were referring specifically to Costco. I know they are pretty careful with their sourcing, and was interested in whether you had specific information that Costco was passing Spanish oil off as Italian
Hi David, no, I was not referring specifically to Costco, but if you look at the numbers of how much Olive Oil is produced in Italy, their consumption and the volume that Kirkland needs to satisfy their volume of sales... even with Kirkland's certifying process, I remain skeptical. In the end, good olive oil whether it comes from Italy, Spain, Greece or where ever is a great choice. BTW, my pallet of Veleta EVOO just left the winery yesterday...finally.
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