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#51 Post by Todd F r e n c h » November 17th, 2016, 2:12 pm

CJ Beazley wrote:Just don't do alpha because then Ryan Zepaltas gets hosed.

This might come down to "if it ain't broke don't fix it" simply from a consumer pov I think everything works fine. As far as orders getting "avalanched", seems to me people always find the ones they are truly interested in. And personally I always hold a little back in case a good offer comes late.
For the record; I really hope Arcadian has an offer this year. I think it was one of the most talked about last time.
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#52 Post by Nate Simon » November 17th, 2016, 2:58 pm

In terms of the format, admittedly sounding a bit like the grumpy old man here, but why not stick with what has worked in the past, which most people seem to like?

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#53 Post by Todd F r e n c h » November 17th, 2016, 3:37 pm

Nate Simon wrote:In terms of the format, admittedly sounding a bit like the grumpy old man here, but why not stick with what has worked in the past, which most people seem to like?
Because, again, it DOESN'T WORK ANYMORE. That's the issue - it worked when it was of a certain size, it doesn't anymore and therefore has to be amended
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#54 Post by BobMilton » November 17th, 2016, 3:40 pm

That's starting to look pretty good to me. I particularly like a new category so I can find some new favorites. And the wine category would help strategize where the bucks will go (and go they will)

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#55 Post by Russ Williams » November 17th, 2016, 7:11 pm

I like the idea of saving food and other products for last.
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#56 Post by Siun o'Connell » November 17th, 2016, 7:22 pm

The first thing I've ever agreed with Russ on ... food and other products last makes a ton of sense and means I can catch my breath and order those without feeling distracted by trying to pick out my wines!.

The latest notes from Todd make sense ... and I can't wait!

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#57 Post by AndrewH » November 17th, 2016, 7:26 pm

Todd F r e n c h wrote:
Mark Y wrote:I hate the groups idea with limited time
If I have a two hour block in the afternoon for example I'm basically unable to buy 2/3 groups And only the one group is possible. As I understand the groups disappear once their time is up? That seems silly. It is a work day still.
The idea is that groups will have a timeframe, i.e. 9:00 - 10:00 am, then it shuts down while the other groups, in their timeframes go, then at the end of each group's time, everything will be opened up at once, thus keeping the randomness and excitement of multiple offers, along with the ability to see them ALL at the end (this is outlined in the first post)
Not a fan of this approach - all offers should be open until the seller hits their limit (if they have one).

There must be better ways around the problem of flooding out new offers, which I agree needs to be addressed. For example, I like this idea:
Steve Gautier wrote:Could you pin most recent offers to the top so they don't get buried with discussion on older offers
Pin by group for an hour.

Or, create subforums for each of your buckets, and open up each subforum (perhaps pinning it to the top) at the designated hour. Then all the pinots go live at 11am - maybe there are 15 offers - and everyone can pile into that subforum and see everything on the first page. You should be able to control the order of subforums through the software. And if there are only 7-10 "groups" that should keep things in control. Meanwhile the subforums that have already been opened remain open but float down the list a bit.
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#58 Post by AndrewH » November 17th, 2016, 7:32 pm

Todd F r e n c h wrote:
If anyone has a potential solution to the MAIN problem (too many offers, thus newbies get buried, forum favorites get much more discussion, and late-listed offers get little traction simply because they got a short straw in the random drawing) I'm all ears. My best case scenario is the categorization listed above, as I haven't seen/heard/thought of a solution that captures the craziness of BerserkerDay but SOLVES the issues of buried or 'I have no more money' listings.
BTW, I do like the categorization approach, with randomization to avoid complaints. I also like having a dedicated bucket for "newbies". Maybe what you could do is have a couple buckets for newbies - maybe have 8-12 overall groups going off every 30 minutes, and mix in two "newbie" groups - one in the morning/early aft and one a bit later. That would give each group of newbs a bit more feature time if you have more than, say, a handful..

You know this best, but I'm not sure the problem is "too many offers" - rather it's "too many offers without organization". I think you've come up with a good approach to organization, and maybe it's worth trying an all comers approach for a year with organization by group and then see what happens and adjust for next year.
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#59 Post by Mike Stoneking » November 17th, 2016, 7:34 pm

Pinning the offers will still result in newbies dropping off the first page and having no chance of being seen within a couple of hours. Perhaps a
"newbie" category that gets launched January 26 as whole to kick off the event, then add them to the random offering with all others. Or make it "newbie" Berserker Businesses' (BB) on the 26th. Subscribers get the entire list on the morning of the 25th, "newbies" and/or new BB members get a special pre release on the night of the 26th. Everyone goes into the mix on GAME DAY!! Already have my vacation day scheduled. [berserker.gif]
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#60 Post by mseeber » November 17th, 2016, 8:28 pm

J a y H a c k wrote: An interesting requirement that would take no additional Todd effort - how about if each winery offering wine was required to include a two paragraph description/history/whatever about the winery, the vineyards, the philosophy or whatever. Each winery has to do a one minute elevator speech to kick off its offer.
I second Jay's idea, but instead why not have all offerers publish their "story" a few days (or more) prior to BD? The specific offer would still remain hidden until the actual day, but it would give folks a chance to survey the potential landscape of offers, both favorites and newbies.

This is basically what I do by looking back at last year's event and making a long list of those I would be interested in if there was an offer.

Perhaps this could apply only to newbies to ensure they don't get lost in the pile.
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#61 Post by jmdavidson » November 17th, 2016, 8:34 pm

FWIW:
I like subscribing and getting to see offers, and sometimes only early bird offers, a day early.
I am not in favor of grouping offers by wine type, i.e. pinot, cab, etc.
I am in favor of posting an offer and then not having its position change, as it does now whenever someone posts a comment to that offer. Keep them in the order of their posting time, not by the most recent comment.
Is it possible to post who all of the contributors will be? My thought being that if I know winery X will be posting some time, then I better save some cashola for their offer, even if I do not know what or when that offer will be. I don't have a bottomless pit of cash or credit, so I will be forced to make some decisions during the day...buy now from winey Z or wait until winery X.
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#62 Post by ky1em!ttskus » November 17th, 2016, 9:16 pm

Food offers last = very good idea.

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#63 Post by Phil M » November 18th, 2016, 8:46 am

I like the idea of a general preview (for all members) of the Newbies - this gets them some exposure and alerts folks to look for them. You could keep this preview limited to name of winery, wines offered (but not prices) and whatever "pitch" the wineries want to make about themselves and the wines. The preview for subscribers would include the full offer details as usual. The general preview could be the night before or even the morning of BererkerDay.
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#64 Post by Brian Loring » November 18th, 2016, 1:38 pm

How about a pinned post that acts as an Index? It could list all the offers, when they'll go active, and provide a link to the thread giving the details. Maybe only provide links when the offer is activated?

So it might start off as:

08:00 Winery A
08:00 NEWBIE Winery B
09:00 Winery C
09:00 Winery D
10:00 NEWBIE Winery E

Then at 8:00 it'd look like:

08:00 Winery A - 6 pack deal $150 (40% off) - Link
08:00 NEWBIE Winery B - 50% discount off all purchases - Link
09:00 Winery C
09:00 Winery D
10:00 NEWBIE Winery E

At 9:00

08:00 Winery A - 6 pack deal $150 (40% off) - Link
08:00 NEWBIE Winery B - 50% discount off all purchases - Link
09:00 Winery C - 3 pack deal $100 (33% off) - Free Shipping - Link
09:00 Winery D - Special Bottling - $55 - Link
10:00 NEWBIE Winery E

- You could use a tag like NEWBIE to highlight the new folk.
- The (very short) description could be supplied by the offering entity. And it could be the thread title too to keep things consistent.
- The list stays in the same order - no one drops up or down - all are visible in one place. No issues with threads falling off the first page.
- I showed the description only appearing when the link went active, but it could be there all the time if you wanted to give buyers a better idea of what's coming.
- I showed the offers listed in chronological order, but they could be listed alphabetically or in categories as well.
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#65 Post by Dave H. » November 18th, 2016, 5:54 pm

Todd I know you say that all of the offers posted at once would shorten the day or ruin the fun, but I don't know, I know I'd still spend all day mulling, reading, commenting. Suspect many others would, as well.
Could be worth a try.
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#66 Post by J. Schenck » November 19th, 2016, 4:13 pm

rly hoping for an offer on vingardevalise suitcases again this year...
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#67 Post by Kurt B e i t l e r » November 19th, 2016, 7:44 pm

Todd, thanks for your generous time contribution. You've clearly put a great deal of thought & energy into organizing. We hope - and look forward! - to being involved this year, Kurt
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#68 Post by Karen Troisi » November 20th, 2016, 3:47 pm

I like Brian's suggestion ^^

We have January26-27 circled on the calendar! Already starting to think about our offer.
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#69 Post by larry schaffer » November 21st, 2016, 8:40 am

Todd,

Just let us all know what you and the powers that be decide on and we will abide - and bring everyone some good offers for sure!

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#70 Post by Peter Simpson » November 21st, 2016, 12:36 pm

I agree that 150 offers on one forum is too much and those at the bottom get lost. My suggestion would be to have five separate forums:

1) BerserkerDay VIII Established Wineries
2) BerserkerDay VIII Up and Coming Wineries
3) BerserkerDay VIII Limited Quantity Offers
4) BerserkerDay VIII Non-wine Offers
5) BerserkerDay VIII Auctions

The offers in each forum would be listed alphabetically and could not be bumped. This way you have to read thru all the offers in a forum to make sure you see them all. You could reply with "Interested" to any offer you might want to come back to later, and while it wouldn't bump the thread you would be able to find it easily when you come back.

The difference between "Established and "Up and Coming" wineries would be determined by last year's sales dollars. Any winery that sold say $5,000 of wine last year goes in Established, and all others and Newbies go in Up and Coming.

The Limited Quantity Forum would be for those wine offers with limited quantities that sell out every year eg EMH Black Cat. This forum wouldn't open until about lunchtime EST so the West Coasters get equal chance.

I think this simplifies the whole thing and leaves it much the same as previous years, without introducing a bunch of complications.
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#71 Post by AndrewH » November 21st, 2016, 2:03 pm

The more ideas I read the more I'm convinced the challenge has less to do with the number of offers and more to do with the tech of this BB. I'm not up on all the possibilities of what the software can do, but I'm sure Todd is . . . but it seems the biggest issue is "offers getting lost". There has to be an easy fix for that, which starts with not moving the offer to the top of the forum whenever someone says "in" or "great stuff . . . everyone should buy". Once that board behavior (i.e., moving the thread to the top) is fixed, the rest should more easily fall into place.

So far folks have identified a few ways to make this work - pinned threads, separate forums, maybe something I've missed. But one or a combination of those seems to me like there's a solution.
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#72 Post by Todd F r e n c h » November 21st, 2016, 2:26 pm

Andrew - I've solved the problem (outlined in the first post) of offers getting buried. I haven't yet solved the problem of those who end up with a (randomly generated) launch time late in the day, when, presumably, all the money is gone.
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#73 Post by Peter Simpson » November 21st, 2016, 2:42 pm

Todd, if you break it up into a number of subforums you can launch everything at the same time. This way we only have to read thru each subforum once, and we have to read to the bottom of each one in order to see all the offers.

If you want to keep it interesting thruout the day then stagger the opening times for each forum.
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#74 Post by AJ Thornton » November 21st, 2016, 6:03 pm

Just to throw it out there and sorry if I missed this in an earlier post, but what about Berserker Fest and make it a multi day event. Keep a big category for each day which will (maybe) prevent people from going all in on day one. Won't be perfect the first year but gives you framework to continue the amazing growth BD has had.

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#75 Post by Eric Werner » November 21st, 2016, 7:53 pm

I apologize if this has been covered, but it seems to me that a way to not have offers get buried is to just have each new offer stay on top. In years past, if offering 1 (in terms of timing) is popular, any and every new post on it moves that offering back to the top. What I saw happen is that a new/unknown winery quickly fell to the bottom (and then to the second page) and out of sight. If Offer #1 slides to the second page, well, that's after it has spent several hours on the first page. My personal experience - squeezing in a few minutes here and there - has been to log on, quickly see what is on page one, and then get back to work. If I grab a couple free minutes, I don't need to see "old" offers as I skim the page - I know they are on the site somewhere.

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#76 Post by Daniel H » November 21st, 2016, 9:34 pm

I still don't understand why it is so important to release some of the offers late in the day, when many people have over-spent their budget already. You are designing a system guaranteed to disappoint a share of the retailers that you want to attract, for the questionable benefit of extending the fun. As several people have suggested already, why not group the offers into a couple of subforums, and either launch them all at once or launch them one after the next over the first few hours of the day. That way every retailer's offer gets plenty of time to shine, and the subforums help people focus on the varietals/regions/whatever that they are most interested in?
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#77 Post by Corey N. » November 22nd, 2016, 8:56 am

Todd F r e n c h wrote:Thoughts???
You asked for thoughts, so please take this in the manner intended and not as criticism. I tend to think one of the problems when tackling issues that are caused by BerserkerDay is that it's like the story about the blind men and the elephant -- everybody perceives things from their particular POV.

Problem: Newbies get buried by the more established and can’t be found.
Solution: Put new offers in separate forum (so 2 BD forums). People who want to find the new offers can find them easily because they will be grouped together. Put a sticky at the top of each the forums reminding people that there are two forums.

Problem: Newbies don’t get orders.
Solution: Encourage those presenting new offers to come up with clear, compelling reasons to order their wine. The less that is known about a product, the more appealing the offer has to be to get people to jump on it. I don't think that people are resistant to trying new wines, but the reality is that there are only so many offerings that one can buy. If people haven't tried the wine/the winemakers aren't part of the community, why should people buy?

Problem: Some people like it the way it is.
Solution: Leave the established vendors section as is where discussion changes the post order or “bumps”. Personally, I like the bumping because it tells me what other people are interested in (I understand that the herd mentality has its downside too). One of the cool things about the old way is that lurkers, guests and new members can easily tell which wineries have gained the trust of long term Berserkers by repeatedly delivering wines people here enjoy. Why should we try to hide that? Make it easy for the new people to see which offers have earned support of long term Berserkers. Lets not lose this aspect. Some people come to find out which wines that have earned the endorsement of the WB crowd. I do.

Problem: Some offers get the short shrift if they are in the last third of the day.
Solution: Perhaps look to see who got the late slots last year and give them early ones this year. Consider putting all the WB veterans offers into 3 groups. Newbies show up at 8am, Group 1 shows up 9am and Group 2 shows up at 11am and Group 3 shows up at 1pm. Then, the auctions etc start at 4pm, so all of the offers have some time to be digested before the party moves on to the next phase.

Problem: Without the offers all day, you lose the madness.
Solution: Have some offers that are only live for the first 30 min. of each section. Offers where the money is donated to the board, where the number of these offers is very limited and the offer itself is particularly special. Anyhow, you've said you want to keep things to one day. If this is a non-negotiable point, then you're going to have madness simply by the fact that you've got 150 vendors participating.

One more thing...I understand that you're trying to split up offers by grape. Given that many of the winemakers who participate offer wines from multiple grapes, I see the potential (read: likelihood) for confusion. I strongly suggest that if you're going to try to categorize offers, you segregate by region rather than grape. I'm fairly agnostic as to what these groups might be; but Napa/Sonoma, Rest of California, Oregon/WA, Old World, Food/Other seems like it might be a start.

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#78 Post by AndrewH » November 22nd, 2016, 9:27 am

Corey N. wrote:
Problem: Some people like it the way it is.
Solution: Leave the established vendors section as is where discussion changes the post order or “bumps”. Personally, I like the bumping because it tells me what other people are interested in (I understand that the herd mentality has its downside too). One of the cool things about the old way is that lurkers, guests and new members can easily tell which wineries have gained the trust of long term Berserkers by repeatedly delivering wines people here enjoy. Why should we try to hide that? Make it easy for the new people to see which offers have earned support of long term Berserkers. Lets not lose this aspect. Some people come to find out which wines that have earned the endorsement of the WB crowd. I do.
Much of this information can be gained without having the thread float to the top.

First cut - how many views
Second cut - how many replies (note that the icon gets little sound waves if it has 19+ replies)
Third cut - what do the posts say (often people post positive things along with "in!")
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#79 Post by Corey N. » November 22nd, 2016, 9:36 am

Andrew --

1) Views is partly a function of when the offer is made. Earlier offers = more views.
2) Generally I'm looking for replies, though it's harder to see at a glance where the action is, particularly as offers roll to the second/third) page.
3) This would require someone to open every offer repeatedly, which is hard to do.
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#80 Post by PaulMills » November 22nd, 2016, 5:35 pm

I think newbies, if truly new to the wider wine world, should send samples out to some of the more prolific members for tasting notes. People like Pobega, Hack, Alfert, Lindquist could post tasting notes with the offer and it would be much more tempting to buy than if notes are based on the winery's notes. The random comment of "this is a great deal" doesn't carry much influence.

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#81 Post by Andrew Morris » November 22nd, 2016, 8:12 pm

Corey N. wrote:
Todd F r e n c h wrote:Thoughts???
You asked for thoughts, so please take this in the manner intended and not as criticism. I tend to think one of the problems when tackling issues that are caused by BerserkerDay is that it's like the story about the blind men and the elephant -- everybody perceives things from their particular POV.

Problem: Newbies get buried by the more established and can’t be found.
Solution: Put new offers in separate forum (so 2 BD forums). People who want to find the new offers can find them easily because they will be grouped together. Put a sticky at the top of each the forums reminding people that there are two forums.

Problem: Newbies don’t get orders.
Solution: Encourage those presenting new offers to come up with clear, compelling reasons to order their wine. The less that is known about a product, the more appealing the offer has to be to get people to jump on it. I don't think that people are resistant to trying new wines, but the reality is that there are only so many offerings that one can buy. If people haven't tried the wine/the winemakers aren't part of the community, why should people buy?

Problem: Some people like it the way it is.
Solution: Leave the established vendors section as is where discussion changes the post order or “bumps”. Personally, I like the bumping because it tells me what other people are interested in (I understand that the herd mentality has its downside too). One of the cool things about the old way is that lurkers, guests and new members can easily tell which wineries have gained the trust of long term Berserkers by repeatedly delivering wines people here enjoy. Why should we try to hide that? Make it easy for the new people to see which offers have earned support of long term Berserkers. Lets not lose this aspect. Some people come to find out which wines that have earned the endorsement of the WB crowd. I do.

Problem: Some offers get the short shrift if they are in the last third of the day.
Solution: Perhaps look to see who got the late slots last year and give them early ones this year. Consider putting all the WB veterans offers into 3 groups. Newbies show up at 8am, Group 1 shows up 9am and Group 2 shows up at 11am and Group 3 shows up at 1pm. Then, the auctions etc start at 4pm, so all of the offers have some time to be digested before the party moves on to the next phase.

Problem: Without the offers all day, you lose the madness.
Solution: Have some offers that are only live for the first 30 min. of each section. Offers where the money is donated to the board, where the number of these offers is very limited and the offer itself is particularly special. Anyhow, you've said you want to keep things to one day. If this is a non-negotiable point, then you're going to have madness simply by the fact that you've got 150 vendors participating.

One more thing...I understand that you're trying to split up offers by grape. Given that many of the winemakers who participate offer wines from multiple grapes, I see the potential (read: likelihood) for confusion. I strongly suggest that if you're going to try to categorize offers, you segregate by region rather than grape. I'm fairly agnostic as to what these groups might be; but Napa/Sonoma, Rest of California, Oregon/WA, Old World, Food/Other seems like it might be a start.

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I agree with most of this. From my selfish POV, the biggest issue is what to do if my offer is late in the day. I certainly reduces action, particularly once people's interest moves on to the auctions and food etc. I also am concerned and puzzled by the idea of sorting by wine type. I have multiple types of wine in more than one offer. What Corey says about how to subdivide the offers makes good sense to me.
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#82 Post by Craig G » November 22nd, 2016, 10:11 pm

I haven't followed this too closely so my apologies if I'm suggesting things that have already been hashed.

One idea is to have one sticky thread that tracks and links to all offers that have been made, one line each so it's easy enough to read, and replies disabled. Was this already done in previous years?

Another, and I'm not sure how feasible, is to have an alert system where people can sign up for whatever they are looking for. I guess the current software may not cover it but perhaps someone has an idea of how to do it. The basic idea is like K&L's alerts where you list keywords and they send you emails when there is a match.
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#83 Post by DavidFrankil » November 24th, 2016, 5:33 am

Whatever is decided, it has to be something that Todd can administer efficiently and fairly - and while the temptation is to get very granular, I'd suggest that the way to meet 'efficient and fair' is to keep it simple.

So I don't like the idea of categorizing by grape or type simply because it creates more work, given the potential need to cross-post offers from a winemaker multiple times. Likewise I don't like the idea of limiting offers by time, since most of us do have day jobs, and tracking and implementing expirations is also labor-intensive.

I do like the idea of categorizing offers by some other criteria, to make it more manageable - not sure that region works, given that the distribution is likely to be uneven. But a taxonomy with separate forums similar to that suggested above by Mr. Simpson makes sense, is logical and intuitive, and would avoid burying offers -

1) BerserkerDay VIII Established Wineries
2) BerserkerDay VIII Up and Coming Wineries
3) BerserkerDay VIII Limited Quantity Offers
4) BerserkerDay VIII Non-wine Offers
5) BerserkerDay VIII Auctions

Maybe it is 'newbie' instead of up and coming, or 'small/micro production', and not sure you need a separate 'limited quantity' since most seem to have some limit on their offers, whether by time or quantity.

And I still think you should provide some priority for Berserker Businesses that support WB, whether a separate forum or listing priority.

But however you break it up, the concept of a handful of separate forums would seem to be straightforward to implement and easy to use from a buyer perspective.
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#84 Post by Andrew W. » November 25th, 2016, 9:41 am

In regards to people having to go last, why not have the first group '10?' of offers be the last 10 from the previous year, then do random. That way if you got hosed with a bad # last year at least you know you get a top spot the next year. This saves from a small operation getting randomly selected at the bottom 2 years in a row?
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#85 Post by GregT » November 25th, 2016, 6:19 pm

Harrington offered a lot of stuff - Trousseau, Nebbiolo, etc. Into what category would that go? Loring offered Pinot and Cab. Would that go into two groups?

I like the people who offer different things and would hate to be stuck to a "Rhone" group, a "Cab" group, etc. Rather than do thing by variety, maybe region is better.
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#86 Post by jbray23 » November 25th, 2016, 11:45 pm

I know that this has been offered but if this was my gig I would:

List all wineries 3-4 days ahead of time.

Post most newbies or smaller wineries first based on last years sales.

Mix in good or strong selling wineries every 10 or so offers as to mix things up, I would do the same with food.

Put the auction lots last.

I have purchased from a couple of berserker days but to be honest my $ is spent by the time it comes around. If there was a save the date 14 days in advance with the deals to be had I could budget my $ better and save some for the actual event. I know it takes away from the spirit of the event but honestly I would buy more.
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#87 Post by GregT » November 26th, 2016, 9:12 am

That's an idea. List all wineries ahead of time and then use a randomized approach to assigning time of day for release.

And perhaps for first-time offerors, indicate that in their thread title. I for one am interested in those.

Kidding aside, it's impossible for most people who are working to monitor things all day long, and some people won't be able to get what they wanted, but that's just the way life is sometimes. Flash sites like WTSO and Last Bottle, etc., do their marathons and surely some would-be purchasers are disappointed.
In this case however, most vendor participants would be happy to extend an offer to a disappointed WB purchaser if the product is still available.
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#88 Post by Michael O'Brien » November 26th, 2016, 12:22 pm

I have solved the problem of working interfering with BerserkerDay. I retired :)
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#89 Post by mattcitrang » November 26th, 2016, 2:04 pm

Michael O'Brien wrote:I have solved the problem of working interfering with BerserkerDay. I retired :)
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#90 Post by Merrill Lindquist » November 26th, 2016, 9:06 pm

I worked this past week to check inventory levels and past offer prices for the vintages I am considering. My commitment to my mailing list buyers is to never go lower than what they purchased for (ever, and for BerserkerDay, for sure). But the offer I am mulling over features prices that are significantly lower than current pricing, and represent excellent values for first time purchasers, and for regulars who want to re-load those vintages at prices which are rolled back to initial offer prices (or close).

In past years, I threw out an offer that was good only for a few hours. This time I will not be doing that, based on all the feedback I have seen here. But it will be an offer that is limited by inventory levels, and then limited to the first buyers who come on. I don't know any other way to do that.

Oh, and I don't currently have an ecommerce system in place...my former credit card clearing house (PayPal, who I loved) increased security measures beyond what my current systems could bear. So I will either get one in place in the next 60 days, or I will wing it with emails, confirmations, and personal follow ups by phone. I can input orders easily and securely right now, just no website shopping cart.

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#91 Post by Chuck Miller » November 26th, 2016, 9:35 pm

Regarding prioritizing offers, a couple of thoughts which have been touched on in some cases by other comments:

If you want to highlight newbies, release all newbie offers first (random order) and then randomize all returning offers.

Alternatively, along the line of pay to play but not so overt, list all offers who have also added an auction item first, everone else randomized after that. After all, the auction items benefit WB directly. If someone doesn't want to take a chance being late in the day, they can just offer an auction lot in advance and get put in the first tier of offers.
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#92 Post by Kirk.Grant » November 27th, 2016, 3:08 pm

I'm sure that categories will solve a lot of the problems. I'm excited to actually take part in this year's sales. I liked David F's categories, however I'd also add a few:
1) BerserkerDay VIII Established Wineries
2) BerserkerDay VIII Up and Coming Wineries
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4) BerserkerDay VIII Non-wine Offers
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#93 Post by Todd Hamina » November 27th, 2016, 7:15 pm

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#94 Post by larry schaffer » November 28th, 2016, 11:11 am

I guess the question that remains is what problem are you trying to solve? Are some wineries complaining that they are not seeing enough 'action' on their offers? Or are consumers complaining that it is not easy to keep up with the offers?

From my perspective, wineries that simply put stuff up and expect orders to come 'pouring in' may have unrealistic expectations of the event. Yep, some wineries certainly do very very well that day - and many of these wineries do very very well all year long as well :-) Other wineries really 'work' that day and stay on top of their offers, jumping on board to answer questions and try to create more 'excitement' about what they are doing.

One thing that, to me, that gets lost in this process is the input and activity of wineries and other businesses on this board all year round - not just that day. This board is truly a 'community' and there are so many wineries and winemakers who can 'add' to this board but do not take an active role in it for one reason or another. I'd still love to see that changed - and would love the board mods to politely 'request' that wineries taking place that day take on a more active role.

Thoughts?

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#95 Post by Todd F r e n c h » November 28th, 2016, 11:19 am

larry schaffer wrote: One thing that, to me, that gets lost in this process is the input and activity of wineries and other businesses on this board all year round - not just that day. This board is truly a 'community' and there are so many wineries and winemakers who can 'add' to this board but do not take an active role in it for one reason or another. I'd still love to see that changed - and would love the board mods to politely 'request' that wineries taking place that day take on a more active role.

Cheers!
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#96 Post by JPWilley » November 28th, 2016, 11:24 am

Todd F r e n c h wrote: To this point, Larry, I think the proof is in the pudding. Wineries/winemakers/winery owners who DO participate more in day-to-day discussion here always do better than those who swoop in to participate in BerserkerDay and nothing else. I need to make that fact known in my initial contact with potential BerserkerDay participants
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#97 Post by larry schaffer » November 28th, 2016, 11:39 am

Todd F r e n c h wrote:
larry schaffer wrote: One thing that, to me, that gets lost in this process is the input and activity of wineries and other businesses on this board all year round - not just that day. This board is truly a 'community' and there are so many wineries and winemakers who can 'add' to this board but do not take an active role in it for one reason or another. I'd still love to see that changed - and would love the board mods to politely 'request' that wineries taking place that day take on a more active role.

Cheers!
To this point, Larry, I think the proof is in the pudding. Wineries/winemakers/winery owners who DO participate more in day-to-day discussion here always do better than those who swoop in to participate in BerserkerDay and nothing else. I need to make that fact known in my initial contact with potential BerserkerDay participants
Perfect reply, my friend!

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#98 Post by larry schaffer » November 28th, 2016, 11:40 am

JPWilley wrote:
Todd F r e n c h wrote: To this point, Larry, I think the proof is in the pudding. Wineries/winemakers/winery owners who DO participate more in day-to-day discussion here always do better than those who swoop in to participate in BerserkerDay and nothing else. I need to make that fact known in my initial contact with potential BerserkerDay participants
Larry's frequent and interesting posts on WB were the exact reason why I bought some Tercero last year. That they were awesome was an added bonus. [cheers.gif]
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#99 Post by Joe Davis » November 28th, 2016, 4:26 pm

As a first time participant last year, we were busier then I could have imagined. Though I do not post here often I do often read the reviews and comments about the wines I am interested in. And will occasionally respond to remarks about my own wines.

I am looking forward to participating again this year and will be happy wherever I am placed. Just let me know when you need my offer.

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#100 Post by Scott Brunson » November 28th, 2016, 6:15 pm

Joe Davis wrote:As a first time participant last year, we were busier then I could have imagined. Though I do not post here often I do often read the reviews and comments about the wines I am interested in. And will occasionally respond to remarks about my own wines.

I am looking forward to participating again this year and will be happy wherever I am placed. Just let me know when you need my offer.
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