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#1 Post by Ted Erfer » August 8th, 2016, 11:55 am

Today, Aug 8, is the day our new shipping law takes affect. Any wineries going to start shipping "legally" into PA?
Is the paperwork too burdensome? Are fees too high?
Thanks for any comments that I can take back to my state senator who pushed for the change.

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#2 Post by Erich Sachse » August 14th, 2016, 8:09 am

Also curious about this.

I often want buy a wine from a winery, get to checkout, and then abandon the purhase because the added fees of double shipping make it not as appealing.

Much more likely to support wineries that ship direct! champagne.gif

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#3 Post by Ted Erfer » August 14th, 2016, 5:23 pm

Is this not the right place to post the question?
No response from any winery?????

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#4 Post by Randy Bowman » August 14th, 2016, 6:28 pm

They may not have received the compliance packages from PA or their attorneys are still trying to decipher what it really says is legal. Some can be real entertaining. Tried to do compliance with TX as a retailer. It required a physical presence in a "wet" county, then file the paperwork for the license, which would appear on the next regular ballot to be voted on for approval. We don't ship to TX.
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#5 Post by William Segui » August 16th, 2016, 2:15 pm

I just looked at the PLCB website -- was a bit short on details. Does anyone know if they accept applications from 17/20's or just 02's?

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#6 Post by Steve Gautier » August 16th, 2016, 3:35 pm

Press release today says that they anticipate first approvals coming this week and that they will be listed on a special website.

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http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases ... 14329.html

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http://www.lcbapps.lcb.state.pa.us/weba ... s_list.asp
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#7 Post by Evan Pontoriero » August 16th, 2016, 3:38 pm

Application with $250 annual fee, $2.50/gal excise tax + state and local tax.
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#8 Post by Dave McIsaac » August 17th, 2016, 4:10 am

Evan Pontoriero wrote:Application with $250 annual fee, $2.50/gal excise tax + state and local tax.
Ted - does the state tax include the Johnstown Flood tax?

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#9 Post by Ted Erfer » August 19th, 2016, 11:55 am

Dave McIsaac wrote:
Evan Pontoriero wrote:Application with $250 annual fee, $2.50/gal excise tax + state and local tax.
Ted - does the state tax include the Johnstown Flood tax?
No - they substituted the gallonage tax.

Here is summary:
Wineries can now ship directly to consumers, up to 36 cases annually. The law does not allow retail wine stores to ship to PA, only wineries. This law puts PA law into line with the standards of wine shipping throughout the US, which has enormous benefits for the wine trade.
For a winery to ship to a customer in PA, they will have to obtain a a direct wine shipper license from the Pennsylvania Liquor Control Board (PLCB), which will cost $250 per year. There will be two taxes on the wines. First is a gallonage tax of $2.50 per gallon, which will add $0.43 per bottle to the price. Sales tax for PA will also have to be collects. In Philly, that tax is currently 10%.
The 18% Johnstown Flood tax will not be levied for direct shipments of wine.

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#10 Post by Steve Gautier » August 19th, 2016, 12:09 pm

License site has started listing approvals. Lots of PA wineries listed. Some non-PA like Cakebread, Naked Wine, Far Niente and Ste Michelle.
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#11 Post by Dave McIsaac » August 19th, 2016, 2:08 pm

Ted Erfer wrote:
Dave McIsaac wrote:
Evan Pontoriero wrote:Application with $250 annual fee, $2.50/gal excise tax + state and local tax.
Ted - does the state tax include the Johnstown Flood tax?
No - they substituted the gallonage tax.

Here is summary:
Wineries can now ship directly to consumers, up to 36 cases annually. The law does not allow retail wine stores to ship to PA, only wineries. This law puts PA law into line with the standards of wine shipping throughout the US, which has enormous benefits for the wine trade.
For a winery to ship to a customer in PA, they will have to obtain a a direct wine shipper license from the Pennsylvania Liquor Control Board (PLCB), which will cost $250 per year. There will be two taxes on the wines. First is a gallonage tax of $2.50 per gallon, which will add $0.43 per bottle to the price. Sales tax for PA will also have to be collects. In Philly, that tax is currently 10%.
The 18% Johnstown Flood tax will not be levied for direct shipments of wine.
That's a huge savings, Ted.

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#12 Post by William Segui » September 1st, 2016, 1:26 pm

William Segui wrote:I just looked at the PLCB website -- was a bit short on details. Does anyone know if they accept applications from 17/20's or just 02's?
As to be expected, it wasn't perfectly clear what they needed but I had some very helpful exchanges via email and now have all my paperwork submitted for a permit. I never believe anything until I have it in hand, but I'm hopeful.

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#13 Post by Ted Erfer » September 1st, 2016, 1:50 pm

Several of the wineries from whom I regularly order have also put in paperwork. Expected shipping approvals will be Oct. Looking forward to doing all this legally for a change - and ditching off-site. That will save me $$$.

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#14 Post by Kevin Porter » September 12th, 2016, 7:51 am

We're up to 304 wineries - from Screaming Eagle to Eric Trump. http://www.lcbapps.lcb.state.pa.us/weba ... offset=300

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#15 Post by Steve Gautier » September 12th, 2016, 3:49 pm

Great to see a lot of my favorites on there. A few still missing.
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#16 Post by William Segui » September 14th, 2016, 9:33 am

My application was approved, great to see this market open up

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#17 Post by Steve Gautier » September 14th, 2016, 4:33 pm

William Segui wrote:My application was approved, great to see this market open up
Great news!
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