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#551 Post by John Oglesby »

Last pick of the year today. 5.7 tons of Grenache from Alisos Canyon. Absolutely gorgeous fruit. Really excited in how its going to turn out.
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John Oglesby wrote: November 3rd, 2021, 4:17 pm Last pick of the year today. 5.7 tons of Grenache from Alisos Canyon. Absolutely gorgeous fruit. Really excited in how its going to turn out.
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#553 Post by Stewart Johnson »

Casey Hartlip wrote: November 2nd, 2021, 4:04 pm
Sean Devaney wrote: November 2nd, 2021, 11:30 am
Casey Hartlip wrote: November 2nd, 2021, 8:29 am IMG_20211031_151654600.jpg
Interesting stuff. Walking Zip by one of my owl boxes the other day. At the base of the pole is a bunch of white debris. Taking a closer look it's the bones of gophers and mice that they've been catching. Lots of broken skulls and other stuff.
The owl(s) deserve a raise. About how many acres does each owl box cover?
The joke on owl boxes is no workers comp or safety meetings! We have 4 boxes spread out mostly near younger vines. I think a box is good for 15-20 acre area.
Owls can't hurt, but I don't get the feeling they're doing me much good in the vineyard. I've had on and off occupancy in 4 owls boxes around the periphery of an 8.5 acre vineyard without. I don't think the between rows gopher activity is diminished when I have better occupancy. They seem tp prefer working open space to patrolling between rows. I might face more pressure without them, but there's also the possibility that their predation outside the vineyard makes my between row spaces a gopher refuge.
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#554 Post by Kim Z »

I read that owls prefer predation in open fields over vine rows, for obvious flight navigation reasons. The non-venomous gopher snake (bullsnake) could help, but they need lots of cover absent in vineyards.

Our vineyard is fenced, and the bottom 18" or so fitted with 1/2" wire netting. This helps but gophers do make it in and qualify for our aggressive baiting / trapping program.
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#555 Post by Casey Hartlip »

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Kind of hard to see but this is the Gewurtz that didn't make it for late harvest. It's about a three acre area and the bears and other critters are hitting it pretty hard.

We had another inch overnight, and the 10 day is showing dry weather ahead. Some of the cover crop is 3-4" tall already. By far the best start I've seen in many years.

Crew had been busy doing odd jobs. The biggest was removing wires and drip hose from a six acre piece of old AXR Chard that is getting removed soon. I think we'll start pruning next Monday as I can't find more odd jobs and the vines are clearly dormant.
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#556 Post by Casey Hartlip »

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Even the bell beans are jumping. Saw some other stuff almost 6" tall.
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#557 Post by Adam Frisch »

Last year I picked some Mission on Dec 2nd. Won't be doing that this year, but it ain't over yet for some.
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#558 Post by Casey Hartlip »

We started pruning today. I think a couple of other companies are too.
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#559 Post by Merrill Lindquist »

Way too early to prune here. Maybe Februrary.
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#560 Post by Casey Hartlip »

Merrill Lindquist wrote: November 15th, 2021, 4:16 pm Way too early to prune here. Maybe Februrary.
Whatever. We have 130,000 vines to prune, you have 500.
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Just another non wine country life thing. Massive bay laurel tree here at the vineyard in Philo. Local loggers refer to them as pepperwood trees. At least 7-8 feet in diameter with multiple spires. A true giant. See Zip in foreground.
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#562 Post by Stewart Johnson »

Casey Hartlip wrote: November 15th, 2021, 7:06 pm
Merrill Lindquist wrote: November 15th, 2021, 4:16 pm Way too early to prune here. Maybe Februrary.
Whatever. We have 130,000 vines to prune, you have 500.
If you have to start early to get thru it all, this is a good year for it. All the early rain should have gone some ways toward exhausting the eutypa reservoir earlier than normal.
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#563 Post by Guillermo M »

Stewart Johnson wrote: November 17th, 2021, 9:45 pm
Casey Hartlip wrote: November 15th, 2021, 7:06 pm
Merrill Lindquist wrote: November 15th, 2021, 4:16 pm Way too early to prune here. Maybe Februrary.
Whatever. We have 130,000 vines to prune, you have 500.
If you have to start early to get thru it all, this is a good year for it. All the early rain should have gone some ways toward exhausting the eutypa reservoir earlier than normal.
Excuse the non-farmer question but, what?
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#564 Post by Stewart Johnson »

Guillermo M wrote: November 18th, 2021, 6:43 am
Stewart Johnson wrote: November 17th, 2021, 9:45 pm
Casey Hartlip wrote: November 15th, 2021, 7:06 pm

Whatever. We have 130,000 vines to prune, you have 500.
If you have to start early to get thru it all, this is a good year for it. All the early rain should have gone some ways toward exhausting the eutypa reservoir earlier than normal.
Excuse the non-farmer question but, what?
Eutypa is a grapevine pathogen that enters the vine thru wounds -- mostly pruning wounds, which are slower to heal earlier in the pruning season. Eutypa spores are released into the air by rainfall hitting their quasi-dormant clusters (the name of which I'm forgetting), and that's how they spread to fresh wounds. Early rains release the greatest number of spores, and the store of undispersed clusters gradually diminishes as the rainy season progresses. The more rain that has already fallen when you start making pruning wounds, the better. So, if you have a vineyard that's small enough that you can start pruning late and still finish before bud-break, that's preferred, from a disease-pressure point of view.
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#565 Post by Casey Hartlip »

I know I've said this too much in the last couple of years, but the 10 day forecast sucks. However with the cover crop growing like crazy and a couple of ponds nearing the spillway, it's a very different feeling.
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#566 Post by Casey Hartlip »

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Mission almost accomplished. Wire, drip hose, vines and end posts are out of the ground of this 1983 planting of AXR Chard. We did this all in house. Gonna let the vines dry out for a few months so that they'll be a bit lighter to handle.
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Casey Hartlip wrote: November 24th, 2021, 12:48 pm IMG_20211124_112824349_HDR.jpg
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Mission almost accomplished. Wire, drip hose, vines and end posts are out of the ground of this 1983 planting of AXR Chard. We did this all in house. Gonna let the vines dry out for a few months so that they'll be a bit lighter to handle.
Pardon my ignorance but what was the mission?
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#568 Post by Casey Hartlip »

Bdklein wrote: November 24th, 2021, 2:17 pm
Casey Hartlip wrote: November 24th, 2021, 12:48 pm IMG_20211124_112824349_HDR.jpg
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Mission almost accomplished. Wire, drip hose, vines and end posts are out of the ground of this 1983 planting of AXR Chard. We did this all in house. Gonna let the vines dry out for a few months so that they'll be a bit lighter to handle.
Pardon my ignorance but what was the mission?
And I thought you retired?
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#569 Post by Sean Devaney »

Casey Hartlip wrote: November 24th, 2021, 12:48 pm
Mission almost accomplished. Wire, drip hose, vines and end posts are out of the ground of this 1983 planting of AXR Chard. We did this all in house. Gonna let the vines dry out for a few months so that they'll be a bit lighter to handle.
What do you do with the vines once they dry out? I'm thinking that they would be good for BBQ smoking material.
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#570 Post by Casey Hartlip »

With years of having sulfur and other fungicides sprayed on them, I would think that's a pass?
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#571 Post by Sean Devaney »

Good to know. I hadn't thought about that.
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#572 Post by Casey Hartlip »

Okay so now I'm starting to worry a bit more with this drought. Once again the 10 day looks dismal, while family in Seattle are dealing with flooding.
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#573 Post by Merrill Lindquist »

We have had nights in the 40s and days in the mid 70s - today it just hit 80 degrees! I don't think my vines can sleep through that....
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Question for the resident experts:

I have around 20 Sagrantino grapevines that I keep purely for decorative purposes. Here in Pasadena, CA, we've had so much warm weather, the vines, which never went dormant, have started putting out new growth.

What is likely to happen when (if?) it finally turns cold here? Will the vines shut down and follow the normal course of dormancy and revive in the spring, or is this upset in the normal cycle likely to harm the vines in any way?

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#575 Post by Merrill Lindquist »

Lots of foggy mornings with drizzle and a bit of rain. Rain is forecasted for the weekend.

My cover crop is coming in nicely and is 6-8 inches tall. Pruning still off to February. I conferred with a local and well-known vineyard manager, and he said no way our vines are asleep yet. It will likely be a late pruning year.
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#576 Post by larry schaffer »

Cooler mornings here - dropping down in the mid 30's. We are expecting a bit of rain tomorrow - hurrah - and it is much needed . . . we only got about an inch of rain in October when NorCal got dumped on . . .

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#577 Post by Edward H. Earles »

How much rain have you gotten so far, Casey?

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#578 Post by Casey Hartlip »

Hey Ed. As of cocktail hour here on Monday, our storm series total is 1.93". No complaints from me! Just back from Show Low AZ checking on our house construction. Shocker: things not moving as promised! It's possible ill be reporting on the weather thread well into April.....which I'm not happy about.
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#579 Post by Edward H. Earles »

So, are your ponds full yet? Looks like you've received somewhere between 10" and 15" since October 1st.

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#580 Post by Casey Hartlip »

No sir not yet. Been allowing some water to pass by to follow proper water regs. I'd guess if we get what is predicted over the next 10 days, we might have most of our 8 ponds full. Very cold rain out there now. I would expect some snow on nearby mountains with this one
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Casey Hartlip wrote: December 16th, 2021, 5:35 pm IMG_20211216_101715549_HDR.jpg
Don't expect a single post from him.....not his thing.
But who will keep us up to date?
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R M Kriete wrote: December 17th, 2021, 9:06 am
Casey Hartlip wrote: December 16th, 2021, 5:35 pm IMG_20211216_101715549_HDR.jpg
Don't expect a single post from him.....not his thing.
But who will keep us up to date?
I'll still be posting, FWIW.
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So what was the final tale of the tape from this latest series of storms?
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D@vid Bu3ker wrote: December 17th, 2021, 12:19 pm So what was the final tale of the tape from this latest series of storms?
I don't know - I have never measured rainfall, though I will start to do it. I had a dual function rainfall gauge/temperature gauge. It blew up when the heat hit 138 degrees a few years ago. Will look for a couple of new instruments soon.
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#586 Post by Steve Edmunds »

David; we've gotten 14.99 inches in Berkeley so far, which began in the first storm in October; last year we had only 11.24 inches all year. "Normal" is a bit north of 20.

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#587 Post by Peter Petersen »

Snow pack in the Sierra Nevada is at 85% of normal I was told.

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#588 Post by Al Osterheld »

Yes, the overall snow pack went from something like 19% to 76% (as of a couple days ago) from the past storm. It dumped a lot of snow. We need it to stay cold enough to keep that snow around. Also, the snow in the Sierras helps a large part of California, but not in the Anderson Valley, they need local rain to fill reservoirs.

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#589 Post by Casey Hartlip »

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Super dog Zip showing how tall the cover crop is already. Next series of storms are stalling off the coast, but apparently we'll still get 2-4 inches. Sure hope so.
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#590 Post by Merrill Lindquist »

Casey Hartlip wrote: December 20th, 2021, 8:11 am IMG_20211219_143912676_HDR.jpg
Super dog Zip showing how tall the cover crop is already. Next series of storms are stalling off the coast, but apparently we'll still get 2-4 inches. Sure hope so.
That's a good looking cover crop. Do you sow every row or every other row? What do you do to control growth in the vine rows?
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Merrill Lindquist wrote: December 20th, 2021, 10:05 am
Casey Hartlip wrote: December 20th, 2021, 8:11 am IMG_20211219_143912676_HDR.jpg
Super dog Zip showing how tall the cover crop is already. Next series of storms are stalling off the coast, but apparently we'll still get 2-4 inches. Sure hope so.
That's a good looking cover crop. Do you sow every row or every other row? What do you do to control growth in the vine rows?
The cover crop is fine, but the dog looks great!

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#592 Post by Casey Hartlip »

.60" in the last 24 hours, so not too shabby. Over 2" coming over the next 5-6 days. We've been hosting family from Seattle including my two grandsons. Lots of indoor activities like board games and cards. We did get out for a nice vineyard walk yesterday before it started raining. My crew is pruning when they can and a couple of guys are gone visiting family. That two weeks in Mexico we have planned in January is sounding pretty nice now.
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#593 Post by Edward H. Earles »

Will they have to deal with a Covid quarantine to get back in?

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#594 Post by Casey Hartlip »

Edward H. Earles wrote: December 22nd, 2021, 7:16 am Will they have to deal with a Covid quarantine to get back in?
Fair enough question. I will ask them to get a test when they come back to the ranch. We have so many fields that the folks returning can work far enough away from everyone else.
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My pond is full and the cover crop is knee high -- both are nice benchmarks to reach by Christmas. Soooo much better than last year.
The bummer will be when I start pruning and try to figure out what to make out of last year's puny growth. There aren't many suitable canes out there for cane pruning and most of the potential positions for a quasi-cordon adaptation don't look like they could support more than a single bud. Summer 2021 just keeps on giving.
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#596 Post by Casey Hartlip »

I feel you Stewart. We have some fields out there with not much decent wood to prune to. Some short and skinny canes. Crop will likely be down from our record 2021.

We had another inch in the last 24 hours. Quite likely there will be vineyard snow pics popping up in the next couple of days. My Seattle based family hoping to drive home tomorrow could be in for a very ugly road trip. Cheers everyone and Merry Christmas.
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#597 Post by Edward H. Earles »

Looks like central CA is getting a good soaking; most AVAs should be in the plus column soon.....

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#598 Post by Casey Hartlip »

It's 35 degrees and a light rain out there. My guys have it a go, but it's just too bone chilling.
Lynne and I working on year end reports and taking down Xmas stuff. BRRRRRR!
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A little excitement.....and plenty of work now. Very big live oak tree fell over last night. A triple trunk beast fell outward on some rows of Pinot vines. It's sure to tweak some wires and maybe smashed a few vines as well. Too bad I don't need firewood anymore!
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#600 Post by R M Kriete »

Saw where Tahoe had a record snowfall for December...> 200 inches!
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