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Re: New York City, aka Manhattan and the boroughs BYO

Posted: August 14th, 2019, 11:02 am
by Robert Dentice
ArtF wrote:
August 14th, 2019, 10:46 am
YLee wrote:
August 14th, 2019, 10:37 am
Robert Dentice wrote:
August 14th, 2019, 10:35 am


In all due respect this is so sad. Do you realize how low profit margins are in the restaurant business and what the average kitchen staff earns?
I dont understand. What does that have to do with giving misinformation to customers?
I agree the restaurant business is struggling. But won't a fair corkage policy lead to more business, not less profit? When I go to Sunday or Monday free corkage restaurants, I am far more liberal with the dishes I order and the tip I leave. And usually pay in cash to save cc fees to the owner.
Not really but keep in mind I am talking about NYC where costs are insanely high. Without 3x margins on alcohol most restaurants would not survive. Customers like you who spend more and me who usually will order a wine off a list even if I do corkage are probably the minority.

Re: New York City, aka Manhattan and the boroughs BYO

Posted: August 14th, 2019, 11:05 am
by YLee
Robert Dentice wrote:
August 14th, 2019, 10:59 am
YLee wrote:
August 14th, 2019, 10:37 am
Robert Dentice wrote:
August 14th, 2019, 10:35 am


In all due respect this is so sad. Do you realize how low profit margins are in the restaurant business and what the average kitchen staff earns?
I dont understand. What does that have to do with giving misinformation to customers?
Well you are by definition complaining about corkage. I personally could care less if corkage is $25 or $40. I could see your point if you were told $10 and it was $50 or something like that.
I will give you one example. A peruvian japanese fusion restaurant in NYC quoted me $35 a bottle. Brought 1 mag and few 750s. At the end, was charged $90 a bottle for 750s and 180 for mag. Maybe you are filthy rich but paying half a grand for fee because of wrong information doesnt fly for me. So I sat at the restaurant and call the restaurant I'm sitting at and I got quoted 3rd different price.

What if I purchased a steak for $45 on menu but bill came out to $60? Are you going to keep quiet and just pay?

Re: New York City, aka Manhattan and the boroughs BYO

Posted: August 14th, 2019, 11:10 am
by ArtF
Robert Dentice wrote:
August 14th, 2019, 10:59 am
YLee wrote:
August 14th, 2019, 10:37 am
Robert Dentice wrote:
August 14th, 2019, 10:35 am


In all due respect this is so sad. Do you realize how low profit margins are in the restaurant business and what the average kitchen staff earns?
I dont understand. What does that have to do with giving misinformation to customers?
Well you are by definition complaining about corkage. I personally could care less if corkage is $25 or $40. I could see your point if you were told $10 and it was $50 or something like that.
It's not just the amount. It's the whole experience of eating out. I love being treated respectfully at a restaurant even if I'm not a regular customer. Being told one thing and then charged something else is annoying.

Re: New York City, aka Manhattan and the boroughs BYO

Posted: August 15th, 2019, 12:31 pm
by Ethan Abraham
Shun quoted $75, one bottle max. Wine list seems to have huge variation in markups (anywhere from the usual 2.5-3x to much higher. Some bargains at the super high end below auction prices).

Re: New York City, aka Manhattan and the boroughs BYO

Posted: August 16th, 2019, 4:24 am
by Ethan Abraham
Sutton Inn is closed.

Re: New York City, aka Manhattan and the boroughs BYO

Posted: August 16th, 2019, 4:29 pm
by Dan Hammer
Ethan Abraham wrote:
August 16th, 2019, 4:24 am
Sutton Inn is closed.
Oh no. I loved Sutton Inn, and it was around the corner from my daughter.

Re: New York City, aka Manhattan and the boroughs BYO

Posted: August 16th, 2019, 6:45 pm
by Sh@n A
Ethan Abraham wrote:
August 16th, 2019, 4:24 am
Sutton Inn is closed.
This is very sad. Good food. Friendly staff. Reasonable prices. Wine friendly. Location just a bit off.

Will the chef be relocating?

Re: New York City, aka Manhattan and the boroughs BYO

Posted: August 16th, 2019, 6:46 pm
by Brent C l a y t o n
Oh snap. Just checked in to see about options similar to Sutton Inn. Sad it’s gone.

Re: New York City, aka Manhattan and the boroughs BYO

Posted: August 16th, 2019, 7:20 pm
by Sh@n A
Went to Patroons (46/3rd) for the first time in 15 years on Friday... (i) no corkage fee on Fridays for up to 3 bottles and (ii) $42 fixed menu. Was a goodish experience. Expected to be the only one there and it was not the case, over 50% of the tables were filled with ?casual locals?. The food was all very good but not memorable, but high quality (everything cooked perfectly, high quality ingredients, and interesting menu: buffalo mozzarella with peach and duck prosciutto, filet wrapped in bacon) and more contemporary than I expected (scallops with succotash and pickled onions, etc.). Service was very friendly and on point (made a custom side to be allergy sensitive when they did not need to). Live jazz music. The fixed menu is very reasonably priced versus the normal menu. And the big draw of course: no cork fees on a Friday evening in Manhattan. They have a roof top where they do not serve food, but have drinks and appetizers... I wonder if one can go up there and pay a cork fee and snag the appetizers... that could be very nice. I think the ambiance (decor and energy) is wanting despite the live music, but it is excellent value.

Re: New York City, aka Manhattan and the boroughs BYO

Posted: August 18th, 2019, 1:54 pm
by Brent C l a y t o n
Booked for Sojourn Wednesday and $25 corkage confirmed.

Re: New York City, aka Manhattan and the boroughs BYO

Posted: August 28th, 2019, 5:49 am
by Sh@n A
$35 corkage at the Bar Room in the Modern. Excellent, diverse menu + service is just AAA+ with a nice vibe. Will be going back.

Re: New York City, aka Manhattan and the boroughs BYO

Posted: September 10th, 2019, 10:43 am
by Faryan Amir-Ghassem¡
$38/btl Wayan, max 2 standard size.

Re: New York City, aka Manhattan and the boroughs BYO

Posted: September 19th, 2019, 10:17 am
by Jay Miller
$35/bottle at Manhatta (but it is a no tipping restaurant so that comes out to effectively about $29)

Re: New York City, aka Manhattan and the boroughs BYO

Posted: October 3rd, 2019, 4:18 am
by Ethan Abraham
Any suggestions for somewhere in Manhattan for a BYO dinner midweek with reasonable (say, $25) corkage appropriate for an Italian red wine dinner? (Besides Marta, which does fit the bill)

Re: New York City, aka Manhattan and the boroughs BYO

Posted: October 15th, 2019, 3:43 pm
by Brent C l a y t o n
We had a great dinner at Nice Matin last week. Always no corkage on Monday, and they have a great table for 8-10 that works for wine dinners. We had 2 courses and split some desserts and the food and tax was only like $60pp. We left a big tip.

Re: New York City, aka Manhattan and the boroughs BYO

Posted: October 15th, 2019, 4:29 pm
by Sh@n A
Brent C l a y t o n wrote:
October 15th, 2019, 3:43 pm
We had a great dinner at Nice Matin last week. Always no corkage on Monday
Can you do 1+ bottle per person?

Re: New York City, aka Manhattan and the boroughs BYO

Posted: October 15th, 2019, 5:38 pm
by Paul Jaouen
Sh@n A wrote:
October 15th, 2019, 4:29 pm
Brent C l a y t o n wrote:
October 15th, 2019, 3:43 pm
We had a great dinner at Nice Matin last week. Always no corkage on Monday
Can you do 1+ bottle per person?
Yes. They are very accommodating. And they have a terrific wine list with pretty reasonable prices if you’re there a different night.

Re: New York City, aka Manhattan and the boroughs BYO

Posted: October 17th, 2019, 2:43 pm
by Ethan Abraham
Italliene (w 24th St) has no corkage Mondays. Anyone been?

Re: New York City, aka Manhattan and the boroughs BYO

Posted: October 17th, 2019, 2:53 pm
by Sh@n A
Ethan Abraham wrote:
October 17th, 2019, 2:43 pm
Italliene (w 24th St) has no corkage Mondays. Anyone been?
I believe Trattoria Italienne had no corkage on Tuesdays, but instituted a 1 bottle per 2 person cap due to a few wine groups abusing the policy in recent months (e.g., groups of 25, bringing 40 bottles and staying for 5 hours). Did not know about Mondays. The food is good and reasonably priced; a good value.

Re: New York City, aka Manhattan and the boroughs BYO

Posted: October 18th, 2019, 6:09 am
by Mike Reff
ArtF wrote:
August 14th, 2019, 11:10 am
Robert Dentice wrote:
August 14th, 2019, 10:59 am
YLee wrote:
August 14th, 2019, 10:37 am


I dont understand. What does that have to do with giving misinformation to customers?
Well you are by definition complaining about corkage. I personally could care less if corkage is $25 or $40. I could see your point if you were told $10 and it was $50 or something like that.
It's not just the amount. It's the whole experience of eating out. I love being treated respectfully at a restaurant even if I'm not a regular customer. Being told one thing and then charged something else is annoying.

Another point is the type of restaurant, size, and length of time spent at the table. Sorry to go off topic, but the restaurant often tries to earn its profits by number of times the table flips.

Re: New York City, aka Manhattan and the boroughs BYO

Posted: October 25th, 2019, 9:46 am
by Sh@n A
Great meal at Hearth, haven't been in over a ?decade?. Was quoted $50 for corkage and receipt showed $40. The vegetables they use as ingredients were really good... fresh, packed with flavor, great seasoning... recommend the chicori salad. I had the 'burger no bun' which was excellent (subbed in greens for fries, which I think was a good call).. lots of flavor here with the onion and herbs used... also recommended. Felt it was all reasonably priced as well. I recall seeing '14 Jamet Cote Rotie for $175 on the list.

Re: New York City, aka Manhattan and the boroughs BYO

Posted: November 6th, 2019, 9:03 am
by A Rubin Stein
Red Peony is a new Chinese restaurant at 24 West 56th Street (in the old Joe's Shanghai space - and they still have soup dumplings). They are eager to host wine dinners with no corkage, at least until they receive a liquor license. Stemware is thick wide bowls, adequate but not suitable for your finer aged Burgundy. Ask for AJ and mention my name, or PM me and I will set it up.

Re: New York City, aka Manhattan and the boroughs BYO

Posted: November 8th, 2019, 10:06 am
by R@y.Tupp@+sch
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A Rubin Stein wrote:
November 6th, 2019, 9:03 am
Red Peony is a new Chinese restaurant at 24 West 56th Street (in the old Joe's Shanghai space - and they still have soup dumplings). They are eager to host wine dinners with no corkage, at least until they receive a liquor license. Stemware is thick wide bowls, adequate but not suitable for your finer aged Burgundy. Ask for AJ and mention my name, or PM me and I will set it up.
Going for lunch in a week and a half. Haven't eaten at a Chinese restaurant in at least five years. A few Champagnes and German Rieslings will be consumed.

Food better be good! champagne.gif

Re: New York City, aka Manhattan and the boroughs BYO

Posted: November 9th, 2019, 5:53 am
by Victor Hong
Pasta Eater, on East 17th Street. No corkage, decent glassware, excellent atmosphere, $20 entrees of freshly made pasta.

Re: New York City, aka Manhattan and the boroughs BYO

Posted: November 16th, 2019, 1:06 pm
by Mike Reff
Noreetuh in the East village has free corkage on Sundays

Re: New York City, aka Manhattan and the boroughs BYO

Posted: November 16th, 2019, 2:53 pm
by ArtF
Mike Reff wrote:
November 16th, 2019, 1:06 pm
Noreetuh in the East village has free corkage on Sundays
Enjoyed a meal there one Sunday a few years ago. Careful wine service and nice glasses. Massive wine list.

Re: New York City, aka Manhattan and the boroughs BYO

Posted: November 16th, 2019, 3:41 pm
by Steve L Gellman
Any suggestions for casual lunch for one on the UES. Wine doesn’t really matter. Any good Mexican?

Re: New York City, aka Manhattan and the boroughs BYO

Posted: November 16th, 2019, 5:51 pm
by Sh@n A
ArtF wrote:
November 16th, 2019, 2:53 pm
Mike Reff wrote:
November 16th, 2019, 1:06 pm
Noreetuh in the East village has free corkage on Sundays
Enjoyed a meal there one Sunday a few years ago. Careful wine service and nice glasses. Massive wine list.
Made a reservation for tomorrow based on this, thanks! Looks like Burgundy is the way to go? Young barolo too dicey?

Re: New York City, aka Manhattan and the boroughs BYO

Posted: November 17th, 2019, 5:13 am
by Mike Reff
Sh@n A wrote:
November 16th, 2019, 5:51 pm
ArtF wrote:
November 16th, 2019, 2:53 pm
Mike Reff wrote:
November 16th, 2019, 1:06 pm
Noreetuh in the East village has free corkage on Sundays
Enjoyed a meal there one Sunday a few years ago. Careful wine service and nice glasses. Massive wine list.
Made a reservation for tomorrow based on this, thanks! Looks like Burgundy is the way to go? Young barolo too dicey?
Let me know how it goes, since I am considering an offline there in the new year

Re: New York City, aka Manhattan and the boroughs BYO

Posted: November 17th, 2019, 6:24 am
by Dan Hammer
I expect to update this thread by the end of the month.

If you can, please post a link to the restaurant you're writing about.

Re: New York City, aka Manhattan and the boroughs BYO

Posted: November 17th, 2019, 8:54 am
by ArtF
Dan Hammer wrote:
November 17th, 2019, 6:24 am
I expect to update this thread by the end of the month.

If you can, please post a link to the restaurant you're writing about.
Recommend any fuller bodied white, chard, vouvray, dry rielsing, or not tannic Pinot. Young barolo is just what I would avoid. Food is similar to Japanese.

Noretun already on your list without a link. Here it is--

http://www.noreetuh.com/

Re: New York City, aka Manhattan and the boroughs BYO

Posted: November 18th, 2019, 7:02 am
by Sh@n A
Mike Reff wrote:
November 17th, 2019, 5:13 am
Let me know how it goes, since I am considering an offline there in the new year
http://www.noreetuh.com/ No cork on Sunday

Had dinner last night to celebrate a friend's engagement. Ambiance is cozy and hole-in-the-wall (e.g., polaroid photos of guests on the wall). Food is packed with flavor.. the flavors can be very disparate between dishes (seawood/japanese, lightly seasoned fish, sweet/n/sour fried chicken, simple grilled ribeye, street-food like spicy/fatty fried rice w/ spam, thai peanut sauced salad). Desserts are simple, e.g., grilled/bruleed pineapple, coconut ice cream sundae, etc. Very gluten free friendly (gluten free fried chicken!).

Brought a Ferrando Carema White which paired well with certain of the appetizers (e.g., ribeye), but not really with the entrees we ordered (which were either too seawood or spicy); that said, there was duck, mushroom risotto, and other light nebbiolo friendly fare that was not ordered.

Kept thinking champagne could work with the food, but I don't drink whites/champagnes. A bunch of empty German riesling bottles on the bar.

Stems and decanter were fine, but not fancy. They brought out a larger bowl for the nebbiolo (simple machine made/glass). Apologies but forgot to inquire about additional stemware types and multiple stems; was not packed on a Sunday so I imagine they would have extra stems, and definitely friendly/casual folks to ask via telephone. Not particularly cheap (we paid $60/head all-in, but perhaps with more discretion we could have gotten away with less). I would go back.. the food was well prepared, packed flavors and some dishes were excellent. Can make a red work, but then limit yourself from the majority (?vast majority?) of the menu.

Re: New York City, aka Manhattan and the boroughs BYO

Posted: November 18th, 2019, 7:12 am
by Paul Jaouen
White and Red Burgundy has worked well for me in the past at Noreetuh. And Jin loves Burgundy.