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Re: The Bourbon Thread

Posted: June 1st, 2019, 2:10 pm
by NickRut
Alan Eden wrote:
June 1st, 2019, 1:44 pm
NickRut wrote:
June 1st, 2019, 1:21 pm
Alan Eden wrote:
May 31st, 2019, 8:31 pm
Funny enough my local store had some goodies for me tonight, picked up a 18 GTS, 4R 130th LESB and the Old Fitz 13 year BiB

Cant wait for the 13 Fitz

Wow strong showing. What’d they charge for the old fitz?
$150
Not bad at all. I passed on a bottle for $199 today. I hate the upcharge on some of these bottles.

Re: The Bourbon Thread

Posted: June 1st, 2019, 3:56 pm
by james l moleberg
Alan Eden wrote:
May 31st, 2019, 8:31 pm
Funny enough my local store had some goodies for me tonight, picked up a 18 GTS, 4R 130th LESB and the Old Fitz 13 year BiB

Cant wait for the 13 Fitz
very nice, was a big fan of this year's GTS, and the 130th is my favorite LESiB since the 2013

Re: The Bourbon Thread

Posted: June 6th, 2019, 8:27 am
by Brandon R
Just had my first fingers of Booker's Kathleen's Batch last night. Definitely needed some water or ice because WOOO-WHEEE that was a burner! Great flavor, though.

Re: The Bourbon Thread

Posted: June 6th, 2019, 11:11 am
by ERPark
Had a few snorts of Old Fitzgerald 11 year BiB. No regrets about ordering them.......

Re: The Bourbon Thread

Posted: June 14th, 2019, 3:34 am
by Dan Kimmelman
Was in a little shop in Manhattan last night and they had Weller 12 for $250, 4R 130th for $500, 4R Elliot's for $400...

...and Parker's Heritage Wheated (8th ed iirc) for $130, which I would've snagged except how would I have gotten it home to socal today?

Re: The Bourbon Thread

Posted: June 17th, 2019, 11:43 am
by Edward H. Earles
Another Bourbon rickhouse collapsed about midnight last night. The O.Z. Tyler Distillery in Owensboro, Ky., appears to have lost about 4500 barrels; I don't know if they attempt to salvage any in such a situation. Fortunately no people were hurt or killed.

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Re: The Bourbon Thread

Posted: June 17th, 2019, 1:42 pm
by Alan Rath
Holy crap. Is land so expensive around there they they have to resort to a "structure" like this?

Re: The Bourbon Thread

Posted: June 17th, 2019, 2:02 pm
by Edward H. Earles
I don't think the issue is land. Margins on Bourbon production used to be quite a bit lower than they are now. And building codes in decades past were pretty slack, compared to what they are now...so the structural supports in those rickhouses are all wooden (mostly oak), with no steel reinforcement. Since a barrel of Bourbon weighs about 520 pounds, if 4500 barrels fell, they represent 2,344,500 pounds of load, which seems a lot even for stout oak beams.

Re: The Bourbon Thread

Posted: June 17th, 2019, 7:39 pm
by Alan Eden
Dan Kimmelman wrote:
June 14th, 2019, 3:34 am
Was in a little shop in Manhattan last night and they had Weller 12 for $250, 4R 130th for $500, 4R Elliot's for $400...

...and Parker's Heritage Wheated (8th ed iirc) for $130, which I would've snagged except how would I have gotten it home to socal today?
those weller and 4R prices are way out of whack, i bought same for $35 and $199 last week

Re: The Bourbon Thread

Posted: June 17th, 2019, 7:40 pm
by Alan Eden
Alan Rath wrote:
June 17th, 2019, 1:42 pm
Holy crap. Is land so expensive around there they they have to resort to a "structure" like this?
Scary, where are the floors !!

Re: The Bourbon Thread

Posted: June 18th, 2019, 4:30 am
by Edward H. Earles
Alan Eden wrote:
June 17th, 2019, 7:40 pm
Alan Rath wrote:
June 17th, 2019, 1:42 pm
Holy crap. Is land so expensive around there they they have to resort to a "structure" like this?
Scary, where are the floors !!
They are splinters amidst the fallen barrels.

Re: The Bourbon Thread

Posted: June 28th, 2019, 5:03 pm
by Andrew Kotowski
Adam Noble wrote:
January 19th, 2019, 4:34 pm
I saw the pot still for I think $80 post tax, and the Willet Rye small batch for around $100 also post tax. I didn't buy either one.
Total Wine in Bellevue has the 750 at $59.99 ($69), the 1.75 at $96.99 ($122.47) and the willett family estate Rye...

Re: The Bourbon Thread

Posted: June 29th, 2019, 5:42 pm
by JulianD
Alan Eden wrote:
June 17th, 2019, 7:39 pm
Dan Kimmelman wrote:
June 14th, 2019, 3:34 am
Was in a little shop in Manhattan last night and they had Weller 12 for $250, 4R 130th for $500, 4R Elliot's for $400...

...and Parker's Heritage Wheated (8th ed iirc) for $130, which I would've snagged except how would I have gotten it home to socal today?
those weller and 4R prices are way out of whack, i bought same for $35 and $199 last week
Must be nice, I’ve never even seen them on shelves

Re: The Bourbon Thread

Posted: June 29th, 2019, 11:03 pm
by Alan Eden
JulianD wrote:
June 29th, 2019, 5:42 pm
Alan Eden wrote:
June 17th, 2019, 7:39 pm
Dan Kimmelman wrote:
June 14th, 2019, 3:34 am
Was in a little shop in Manhattan last night and they had Weller 12 for $250, 4R 130th for $500, 4R Elliot's for $400...

...and Parker's Heritage Wheated (8th ed iirc) for $130, which I would've snagged except how would I have gotten it home to socal today?
those weller and 4R prices are way out of whack, i bought same for $35 and $199 last week
Must be nice, I’ve never even seen them on shelves
Neither have I, only way i get them is via a ten year relationship at same store buying regularly.

Re: The Bourbon Thread

Posted: July 3rd, 2019, 2:21 am
by Edward H. Earles
Major fire at Jim Beam bourbon warehouse in Woodford County

https://www.wkyt.com/content/news/Barre ... 56632.html

Re: The Bourbon Thread

Posted: July 3rd, 2019, 7:42 am
by Bill Buitenhuys
Edward H. Earles wrote:
July 3rd, 2019, 2:21 am
Major fire at Jim Beam bourbon warehouse in Woodford County

https://www.wkyt.com/content/news/Barre ... 56632.html
I hope Mila Kunis is safe

Re: The Bourbon Thread

Posted: July 3rd, 2019, 9:32 am
by Edward H. Earles
45,000 barrels up in smoke...

Re: The Bourbon Thread

Posted: July 3rd, 2019, 4:24 pm
by Edward H. Earles
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This is turning into an environmental disaster. The non-muddy liquid you see in this photo of the Kentucky River is cask-strength Bourbon, mixed with some water from the fire department, and charcoal. Millions of fish will die, and the tens of thousands of people whose water supply is drawn from the river downstream will experience....well, who-knows-what....

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(photo: Seattle Times)

Re: The Bourbon Thread

Posted: July 5th, 2019, 8:20 am
by JulianD
Distillery will have to pay for cleanup/environmental costs, right?

Re: The Bourbon Thread

Posted: July 5th, 2019, 12:27 pm
by Edward H. Earles
I imagine so. By the way, Jim Beam announced that those 45,000 barrels amounted to only 1% of their Bourbon inventory!!

Re: The Bourbon Thread

Posted: July 5th, 2019, 11:30 pm
by Alan Eden
So they have 600 million bottles in inventory, the homeless of America will always have something to drink !!!

Re: The Bourbon Thread

Posted: July 6th, 2019, 5:08 pm
by Kris Patten
Alan Eden wrote:
July 5th, 2019, 11:30 pm
So they have 600 million bottles in inventory, the homeless of America will always have something to drink !!!
Think your number is a bit light.

Re: The Bourbon Thread

Posted: July 7th, 2019, 2:44 pm
by Chuck Miller
It’s amazing how much bourbon prices can vary state to state, I assume mostly due to liquor taxes. In WA state we have some of the highest liquor taxes around. As an example, Basil Hayden can retail in Wa for well over $50. Costco sells it for about $44. I’m on a driving trip across the N. states, and bought a bottle for $54 in Missoula, Mt. A few days later, I bought a bottle in Brandon SD that was on the shelf at $27 plus tax, so just over $30 all in. Here in MN at my hometown liquor store, I think it’s around $30 on the shelf, so last year when I was here, I had them order 24 btls for me. They happily did so and gave me a case discount, PLUS a free bottle for every dozen btls of bourbon you buy, and I paid all in $26 inc. taxes and happily drove them home in my car. Saved well over $400 compared to Costco. I’m here again and plan to do it all over again.

Re: The Bourbon Thread

Posted: July 8th, 2019, 9:21 pm
by Kris Patten
Chuck Miller wrote:
July 7th, 2019, 2:44 pm
It’s amazing how much bourbon prices can vary state to state, I assume mostly due to liquor taxes. In WA state we have some of the highest liquor taxes around. As an example, Basil Hayden can retail in Wa for well over $50. Costco sells it for about $44. I’m on a driving trip across the N. states, and bought a bottle for $54 in Missoula, Mt. A few days later, I bought a bottle in Brandon SD that was on the shelf at $27 plus tax, so just over $30 all in. Here in MN at my hometown liquor store, I think it’s around $30 on the shelf, so last year when I was here, I had them order 24 btls for me. They happily did so and gave me a case discount, PLUS a free bottle for every dozen btls of bourbon you buy, and I paid all in $26 inc. taxes and happily drove them home in my car. Saved well over $400 compared to Costco. I’m here again and plan to do it all over again.
WA has highest taxes in country. Almost 45% higher than #2.

https://files.taxfoundation.org/2018032 ... uor-01.png

Re: The Bourbon Thread

Posted: July 8th, 2019, 9:42 pm
by PeterH
Kris Patten wrote:
July 8th, 2019, 9:21 pm
Chuck Miller wrote:
July 7th, 2019, 2:44 pm
It’s amazing how much bourbon prices can vary state to state, I assume mostly due to liquor taxes. In WA state we have some of the highest liquor taxes around. As an example, Basil Hayden can retail in Wa for well over $50. Costco sells it for about $44. I’m on a driving trip across the N. states, and bought a bottle for $54 in Missoula, Mt. A few days later, I bought a bottle in Brandon SD that was on the shelf at $27 plus tax, so just over $30 all in. Here in MN at my hometown liquor store, I think it’s around $30 on the shelf, so last year when I was here, I had them order 24 btls for me. They happily did so and gave me a case discount, PLUS a free bottle for every dozen btls of bourbon you buy, and I paid all in $26 inc. taxes and happily drove them home in my car. Saved well over $400 compared to Costco. I’m here again and plan to do it all over again.
WA has highest taxes in country. Almost 45% higher than #2.

https://files.taxfoundation.org/2018032 ... uor-01.png
Similar with cigarettes, sales, and inheritance tax. It all has to do with not having an income tax. I try to be relaxed in my attitude to WA state consumption taxes. I didn't feel that way back when I had below average income.

Re: The Bourbon Thread

Posted: July 9th, 2019, 8:47 pm
by Kris Patten
PeterH wrote:
July 8th, 2019, 9:42 pm
Kris Patten wrote:
July 8th, 2019, 9:21 pm
Chuck Miller wrote:
July 7th, 2019, 2:44 pm
It’s amazing how much bourbon prices can vary state to state, I assume mostly due to liquor taxes. In WA state we have some of the highest liquor taxes around. As an example, Basil Hayden can retail in Wa for well over $50. Costco sells it for about $44. I’m on a driving trip across the N. states, and bought a bottle for $54 in Missoula, Mt. A few days later, I bought a bottle in Brandon SD that was on the shelf at $27 plus tax, so just over $30 all in. Here in MN at my hometown liquor store, I think it’s around $30 on the shelf, so last year when I was here, I had them order 24 btls for me. They happily did so and gave me a case discount, PLUS a free bottle for every dozen btls of bourbon you buy, and I paid all in $26 inc. taxes and happily drove them home in my car. Saved well over $400 compared to Costco. I’m here again and plan to do it all over again.
WA has highest taxes in country. Almost 45% higher than #2.

https://files.taxfoundation.org/2018032 ... uor-01.png
Similar with cigarettes, sales, and inheritance tax. It all has to do with not having an income tax. I try to be relaxed in my attitude to WA state consumption taxes. I didn't feel that way back when I had below average income.
Exactly, you're gonna get pinched one way or another, at least WA targets vices!

Re: The Bourbon Thread

Posted: July 11th, 2019, 3:48 am
by Edward H. Earles
Jim Beam to face fines after fire leads to environmental problems

https://www.wkyt.com/content/news/Jim-B ... 47032.html

Re: The Bourbon Thread

Posted: July 11th, 2019, 4:04 am
by Dan Kimmelman
Edward H. Earles wrote:
July 11th, 2019, 3:48 am
Jim Beam to face fines after fire leads to environmental problems

https://www.wkyt.com/content/news/Jim-B ... 47032.html
"Those clowns at Beam don't know shit about corporate risk management!" - PG&E Exec, probably

Re: The Bourbon Thread

Posted: July 11th, 2019, 8:08 pm
by JunoS
Had the latest pinhook cask strength purple wax and Four Roses Small Batch select. Bothe great bourbons without the hefty secondary markups

Re: The Bourbon Thread

Posted: July 15th, 2019, 8:55 am
by alan weinberg

Re: The Bourbon Thread

Posted: July 17th, 2019, 6:47 pm
by Ryan Kilkenney
alan weinberg wrote:
July 15th, 2019, 8:55 am
Interesting story: https://www.msn.com/en-us/foodanddrink/ ... li=BBnb7Kw
Funny, I’m sitting here with a copy of “Bourbon +” magazine (impulse purchase at the grocery store), and Uncle Nearest is the cover story. “Maple charcoal filtering” doesn’t sound like a recipe for a whiskey I’d enjoy, but it’s a good story.

Re: The Bourbon Thread

Posted: July 19th, 2019, 8:49 pm
by Ryan Kilkenney
Drinking a barrel select Four Roses from Warehouse Liquors (Chicago). I think Four Roses single barrels may be the best deal going in bourbon right now. For my palate, which runs a little hot these days, only Bookers comes close.

Re: The Bourbon Thread

Posted: July 30th, 2019, 9:42 am
by Edward H. Earles
Franklin County water customers tasting effects of Jim Beam fire

https://www.wkyt.com/content/news/Frank ... 88511.html

By WKYT News Staff |
Posted: Tue 11:40 AM, Jul 30, 2019

FRANKFORT, Ky. (WKYT) - Some in Franklin County are complaining of a foul odor and an odd taste with their water weeks after a Jim Beam warehouse fire had major impacts on the Kentucky River.

Customers with the Peaks Mill Water District have reported their concerns, and the district is looking to improve the water quality.

The water supply became affected when water used to put out the fire made its way into the river, bringing with it materials stored inside the warehouse.

Although customers have reported a smelly and sweet taste to the water, district chairman Church Quarles say the water is safe to drink.

“We’ll have a water test back this afternoon hopefully," Quarles said.
"We’ll reassure the public that the water is safe to drink and we’re working diligently to try and address the issue.”

The district believes there is a leak on the back end of the district. Workers will have to identify the leak before they can flush any water mains.

The district buys much of its water from the Frankfort Plant Board. The board tells WKYT people who are in the Peaks Mill Water District could be noticing a slight chlorine smell in the water because of some temporary disinfection changes.

Re: The Bourbon Thread

Posted: July 30th, 2019, 10:42 am
by Craig G
Foul odor and odd taste is exactly how I remember Jim Beam.

Re: The Bourbon Thread

Posted: July 30th, 2019, 3:26 pm
by Edward H. Earles
Craig G wrote:
July 30th, 2019, 10:42 am
Foul odor and odd taste is exactly how I remember Jim Beam.
LOL!! Is this from on the way in, or on the way back out? [wow.gif]

Re: The Bourbon Thread

Posted: August 3rd, 2019, 7:22 pm
by Mich@el Ch@ng
Anyone have the fitz 13 yet?

Re: The Bourbon Thread

Posted: August 10th, 2019, 8:50 am
by Edward H. Earles
I was treated to a shot of Old Pogue Master's Select last night, and thought it was quite good.

Re: The Bourbon Thread

Posted: August 15th, 2019, 12:47 pm
by NickRut
Traveling out to Seattle this weekend. Any good spots to get some bourbon I may not be able to get in Atlanta?

Re: The Bourbon Thread

Posted: August 15th, 2019, 6:31 pm
by Kris Patten
NickRut wrote:
August 15th, 2019, 12:47 pm
Traveling out to Seattle this weekend. Any good spots to get some bourbon I may not be able to get in Atlanta?
Best Whiskey selection in America is Canon, you'll pay up for it, up on Capitol Hill. I'd also suggest Rockcreek, Zig Zag, Bitteroot, WhiskyBar, and Radiator Whiskey.

Re: The Bourbon Thread

Posted: August 15th, 2019, 8:16 pm
by Andrew Kotowski
Kris Patten wrote:
August 15th, 2019, 6:31 pm
NickRut wrote:
August 15th, 2019, 12:47 pm
Traveling out to Seattle this weekend. Any good spots to get some bourbon I may not be able to get in Atlanta?
Best Whiskey selection in America is Canon, you'll pay up for it, up on Capitol Hill. I'd also suggest Rockcreek, Zig Zag, Bitteroot, WhiskyBar, and Radiator Whiskey.
+1 on Canon, hands down.

I love Radiator Whiskey, but more because it’s the quintessential Seattle experience for me - edge of the Market, up a rickety flight of stairs, bartenders/chefs are tatted/pierced/mustachioed out, the food ranges from tater tots to pork shanks and you can watch grungy Seattle live, in front of Showgirls.

Zig Zag is great for cocktails, as well, but wasn’t as strong on bourbon the last time I was there (three or four years ago). Totally defer to Kris on that one.

Re: The Bourbon Thread

Posted: August 16th, 2019, 9:01 am
by NickRut
Thanks Gents. I'll be sure to check some of those places out.

Re: The Bourbon Thread

Posted: August 16th, 2019, 1:20 pm
by John Osburn
Damn the Weather sometimes has good whiskey in that you can sip (eg Old Forester Birthday a number of months ago). Last year I spoke with a bartender who interned at Willett and was very informative (don't know whether he's still there or not).

Re: The Bourbon Thread

Posted: August 16th, 2019, 7:27 pm
by Kris Patten
NickRut wrote:
August 16th, 2019, 9:01 am
Thanks Gents. I'll be sure to check some of those places out.
Report back, please.

Re: The Bourbon Thread

Posted: August 18th, 2019, 6:23 pm
by Kris Patten
Andrew Kotowski wrote:
August 15th, 2019, 8:16 pm
Kris Patten wrote:
August 15th, 2019, 6:31 pm
NickRut wrote:
August 15th, 2019, 12:47 pm
Traveling out to Seattle this weekend. Any good spots to get some bourbon I may not be able to get in Atlanta?
Best Whiskey selection in America is Canon, you'll pay up for it, up on Capitol Hill. I'd also suggest Rockcreek, Zig Zag, Bitteroot, WhiskyBar, and Radiator Whiskey.
+1 on Canon, hands down.

I love Radiator Whiskey, but more because it’s the quintessential Seattle experience for me - edge of the Market, up a rickety flight of stairs, bartenders/chefs are tatted/pierced/mustachioed out, the food ranges from tater tots to pork shanks and you can watch grungy Seattle live, in front of Showgirls.

Zig Zag is great for cocktails, as well, but wasn’t as strong on bourbon the last time I was there (three or four years ago). Totally defer to Kris on that one.
Love me some Radiator Whiskey. Great place to have a drink and chat.

Re: The Bourbon Thread

Posted: August 21st, 2019, 2:08 pm
by Michae1 P0wers
Ryan Kilkenney wrote:
July 19th, 2019, 8:49 pm
Drinking a barrel select Four Roses from Warehouse Liquors (Chicago). I think Four Roses single barrels may be the best deal going in bourbon right now. For my palate, which runs a little hot these days, only Bookers comes close.
I'm a big fan as well. In truth though I'm usually happy with the normal single barrel bottling, not the cask strength selections. I can get the single barrel under $35, while the barrel selections run around $60 or so. Some variation and you don't get to know the mash bill (maybe always the same? Can't recall) but the value still seems ridiculously good to me. Even the small batch isn't bad.

Re: The Bourbon Thread

Posted: August 21st, 2019, 2:57 pm
by Edward H. Earles
To whomever it was, a few pages back, who recommended the Old Forester 1920, thank you.

Re: The Bourbon Thread

Posted: August 28th, 2019, 11:37 am
by ERPark
Got intro’ed to a secret little hideaway of a bar in San Francisco last night. Surprised to see bottles of Old Fitzgerald 13 year BIB, Weller CYPB and Old Forester Birthday available, and at very reasonable pricing to boot. Felt like the OFBB was off, as it was almost empty and the flavor was harsher than I remember when I partook if it earlier this year. Weller CYPB was the #1 by a decent margin, though the OF13BIB was solid.

Re: The Bourbon Thread

Posted: August 30th, 2019, 7:01 am
by Doug Sher
Michae1 P0wers wrote:
August 21st, 2019, 2:08 pm
Ryan Kilkenney wrote:
July 19th, 2019, 8:49 pm
Drinking a barrel select Four Roses from Warehouse Liquors (Chicago). I think Four Roses single barrels may be the best deal going in bourbon right now. For my palate, which runs a little hot these days, only Bookers comes close.
I'm a big fan as well. In truth though I'm usually happy with the normal single barrel bottling, not the cask strength selections. I can get the single barrel under $35, while the barrel selections run around $60 or so. Some variation and you don't get to know the mash bill (maybe always the same? Can't recall) but the value still seems ridiculously good to me. Even the small batch isn't bad.
Michael,

The single barrel bottles all have a 4 letter "code". The second letter is either E or O. E is the low rye (20%) mash bill and B is the high rye (35%) mashibill. The last letter us one of five which tells the yeast strain. The first is always O and the third is always S.

Re: The Bourbon Thread

Posted: September 2nd, 2019, 12:47 am
by Mich@el Ch@ng
Had 2018 WLW today, delicious. Will try to source a bottle if I can find one for a reasonable price.

Re: The Bourbon Thread

Posted: September 3rd, 2019, 4:49 pm
by Edward H. Earles
I'm into another bottle of Old Forester 1920...this is quite enjoyable.