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#1 Post by Brian G r a f s t r o m » December 15th, 2009, 1:37 pm

My favorite is the Barbancourt 15. Would love to hear what's better than that one.
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#2 Post by Andrew Hall » December 15th, 2009, 1:46 pm

Pyrat Cask 23.

http://www.bilgemunky.com/pirate-review ... t-cask-23/

This review indicates the quality may have fallen off. First had it btg for something around 50$ ... and it was worth it. Bought a bottle for my wife for Xmas, now long gone.

http://www.pyratrum.com/

The only thing that has come close are some pre-Castro Cuban rums.

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#3 Post by Rob MacKay » December 15th, 2009, 1:50 pm

Mauritian Green Island Rum. Fantastic stuff but you can't get it anywhere in the US. I have a co-worker in our London office bring a bottle over every time he comes out here.

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#4 Post by Peter Tryba » December 15th, 2009, 2:53 pm

I've had some luck with the Ron Zacapa rums, but the 15yr Barbancourt wins for price and availability.
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#5 Post by Sean Reed » December 15th, 2009, 3:23 pm

Andrew Hall wrote:Pyrat Cask 23.

http://www.bilgemunky.com/pirate-review ... t-cask-23/

This review indicates the quality may have fallen off. First had it btg for something around 50$ ... and it was worth it. Bought a bottle for my wife for Xmas, now long gone.

http://www.pyratrum.com/

The only thing that has come close are some pre-Castro Cuban rums.

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#6 Post by Brent C l a y t o n » December 15th, 2009, 3:36 pm

Westerhall from Barbados is one of my favorites for plain ol' sippin'. The Barbancourt 15 rocks too.
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#7 Post by Chris Presutti » December 15th, 2009, 3:38 pm

A rum thread, at last! I drink more dark rum than any other liquor anymore. To me, it has almost totally replaced bourbon, Scotch, vodka, and cognac.

My favorite is Ron Anejo Aniversario Pampero but I also like Matusalem Gran Riserva, and the premium bottling of Cruzan. I've tried the regular bottling of Pirat and wasn't very impressed. I'll have to check out some of these suggestions.

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#8 Post by Roberto Rogness » December 15th, 2009, 3:46 pm

"This review indicates the quality may have fallen off."

Patron Brands (who don't really MAKE anything, they are marketers based in Vegas) bought Pyrat a while back so I would look for a continuing slump in quality and an increase in blingage and flash promotion / advertising.
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#9 Post by Roberto Rogness » December 15th, 2009, 3:48 pm

"Ron Anejo Aniversario Pampero"

Yeah...BAYBEE!!!! Best thing out of Venezuela since the 70'd Bugaloo craze....
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#10 Post by Bob Wood » December 15th, 2009, 4:18 pm

Roberto Rogness wrote:
Yeah...BAYBEE!!!! Best thing out of Venezuela since the 70'd Bugaloo craze....
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#11 Post by Todd F r e n c h » December 15th, 2009, 4:19 pm

Roberto Rogness wrote:"Ron Anejo Aniversario Pampero"

Yeah...BAYBEE!!!! Best thing out of Venezuela since the 70'd Bugaloo craze....
Another vote for this one, but my favorite is still Westerhall.
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#12 Post by George Kautzman » January 31st, 2010, 4:03 am

Well, it's my spirit of choice, and there aren't many I haven't had . . .

Here are some to consider:

Cruzan "Single Barrel" -- The only Virgin Islands rum worth a crap . . .

El Dorado -- These are awesome! The 12 yr-old is great, but the 15 yr-old is well worth the "upgrade" price. The 21 yr-old is absolutely spectacular -- almost half the price of the Appleton 21 yr-old, and better (in my opinion).

The Pyrat "XO" mentioned earlier is quite good (especially when it goes on sale for $22 periodically in CA).

The Ron Zacapa 23 yr-old from Guatemala is quite unique -- more like a tawny port than a rum! Worth trying.

Goslings Rum (Bermuda) is also very good.

Havana Club (Cuba) 7 yr-old is very nice. The 15 yr-old is NOT worth the higher price, in my opinion.

Can't go wrong with the Diplomatico (Venezuela) either !!

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#13 Post by George Kautzman » January 31st, 2010, 2:49 pm

An excellent source to point you toward some outstanding rums (or any other spirit) is:

http://www.tastings.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Use their search function to find all rums in their review database.

Another really outstanding one I just thought of is the Santa Teresa 1796 . . .

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#14 Post by J. Benjamin » January 31st, 2010, 5:39 pm

Yes! Love this rum. According to my review-quality has definitely not fallen off.
Andrew Hall wrote:Pyrat Cask 23.

http://www.bilgemunky.com/pirate-review ... t-cask-23/

This review indicates the quality may have fallen off. First had it btg for something around 50$ ... and it was worth it. Bought a bottle for my wife for Xmas, now long gone.

http://www.pyratrum.com/

The only thing that has come close are some pre-Castro Cuban rums.

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#15 Post by Brian G r a f s t r o m » January 31st, 2010, 10:37 pm

George Kautzman wrote:Well, it's my spirit of choice, and there aren't many I haven't had . . .

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The Ron Zacapa 23 yr-old from Guatemala is quite unique -- more like a tawny port than a rum! Worth trying.

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thanks, George. this one sounds especially interesting
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#16 Post by dcornutt » February 6th, 2010, 8:00 am

I love the Ron Zacapa 23 too.
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#17 Post by Darian Wilson » March 4th, 2010, 4:53 pm

i recently went to a rather broad spirit tasting. one of the highlights (outside of the single village mezcals) was a rum made by Plantation. I rarely, if ever, see them in retail. but man, there was one in particular that was stunning: the Jamaica vintage 2000. the textures were unparalleled, creamy, soft. the nose and palate were synonymous with butterscotch; but it wasn't fake. i've never tasted anything like it. definitely one to seek out. i think it's roughly $35 on the shelf.
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#18 Post by Brian G r a f s t r o m » March 4th, 2010, 5:16 pm

Alex Hilton wrote:i recently went to a rather broad spirit tasting. one of the highlights (outside of the single village mezcals) was a rum made by Plantation. I rarely, if ever, see them in retail. but man, there was one in particular that was stunning: the Jamaica vintage 2000. the textures were unparalleled, creamy, soft. the nose and palate were synonymous with butterscotch; but it wasn't fake. i've never tasted anything like it. definitely one to seek out. i think it's roughly $35 on the shelf.
I’m curious about the vintage thing with rum ... what exactly changes from vintage to vintage with rum? (or any spirit, for that matter)
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#19 Post by Andrew Hall » March 4th, 2010, 6:23 pm

I know that cognac houses claim there are differences in vintages which is why blending is superior. They mostly say this to slam Armagnac which is traditionally vintaged.

From what I've heard and my personal take, the main thing about vintage-dating a spirit is that it pinpoints exactly when it was made. Terms like "15 yr old" have fudge factors +/- as well indeterminate date as to when it was distilled. You are also getting the result of a single batch which is more what a vintage means vs the idea of a particular year affecting output. Kind of like barrel to barrel differences in wines vs differences between vintages.

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#20 Post by Darian Wilson » March 6th, 2010, 10:58 am

Andrew Hall wrote:I know that cognac houses claim there are differences in vintages which is why blending is superior. They mostly say this to slam Armagnac which is traditionally vintaged.

From what I've heard and my personal take, the main thing about vintage-dating a spirit is that it pinpoints exactly when it was made. Terms like "15 yr old" have fudge factors +/- as well indeterminate date as to when it was distilled. You are also getting the result of a single batch which is more what a vintage means vs the idea of a particular year affecting output. Kind of like barrel to barrel differences in wines vs differences between vintages.

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#21 Post by JP Taboada » May 21st, 2010, 6:53 pm

Zaya and One Barrel are a couple of my favs. Definitely worth checking out both of those. One Barrel is from Belize, Zaya I can't remember off the top of my head where it's from.

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#22 Post by Todd F r e n c h » May 29th, 2010, 3:57 pm

A new favorite rum:

Zafra Master Reserve 21 year cask aged.

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#23 Post by Doug Hockersmith » August 27th, 2010, 1:07 pm

Mt. Gay rum is what I enjoy most. Mt. Gay Extra old is the best I've had. Mt. Gay XO is not worth the 100 IMO.

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#24 Post by dcornutt » September 3rd, 2010, 4:33 pm

My new favorite and the best I have tasted.

El Dorado 21
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#25 Post by Michael Bowden » September 4th, 2010, 5:33 am

dcornutt wrote:My new favorite and the best I have tasted.

El Dorado 21
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#26 Post by George Hejna » September 7th, 2010, 8:42 am

Todd F r e n c h wrote:A new favorite rum:

Zafra Master Reserve 21 year cask aged.

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Picked a bottle fo this up last week and really like it. It has the right balance of sweetness as I find some of the Rums taste more like sherry than Rum. This is just perfect. It is made in Panama

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#27 Post by Nathan V. » September 9th, 2010, 9:43 am

The El Dorado are excellent in their style, I like them a lot. I could drink my weigth in the 15yr.

I also like Neisson and Rhum J.M. from Martinique. I use the Agricole for Ti punch.

I use Gosslings for Dark & Stormys.

Barbancourt is good as well and was my gateway drug.
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#28 Post by John Osburn » September 9th, 2010, 1:58 pm

Ron Barrilito, Puerto Rico - 2 and 3-star. Just hit my rum spot right. Second is Flor de Cana, Honduras, in a variety of ages. Zaya and Pyrat are tasty but not quite there for me.

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#29 Post by John Liotta » September 11th, 2010, 6:41 pm

Michael Bowden wrote:
dcornutt wrote:My new favorite and the best I have tasted.

El Dorado 21
Yep...Thanks to a fellow board member....I am getting ready to start working on a bottle!

Sounds like a cool dude.
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#30 Post by John Liotta » September 11th, 2010, 6:42 pm

Drinking Ron Zacapa Centenario XO Rum Solera Gran Reserva Especial right now. This is probably the closet (in quality and deliciousness) to the El Dorado 21. Both of these destroy all of the Appleton Estate Rums FWIW. Still haven't tried Pyrat.
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#31 Post by Veronica Castro » September 11th, 2010, 10:53 pm

Todd F r e n c h wrote:A new favorite rum:

Zafra Master Reserve 21 year cask aged.

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We held a big rum tasting this evening (over 100 rums), and the guys from the Spirits dept told me to make sure I try the Zafra. Holy hell! That was amazing. No heat, delicate, slight butterscotch and a bit of baking spices on the finish. Really lovely.
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#32 Post by Todd F r e n c h » September 11th, 2010, 10:54 pm

Veronica Castro wrote:
Todd F r e n c h wrote:A new favorite rum:

Zafra Master Reserve 21 year cask aged.

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We held a big rum tasting this evening (over 100 rums), and the guys from the Spirits dept told me to make sure I try the Zafra. Holy hell! That was amazing. No heat, delicate, slight butterscotch and a bit of baking spices on the finish. Really lovely.
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#33 Post by Michael Bowden » September 12th, 2010, 8:37 am

John Liotta wrote:
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dcornutt wrote:My new favorite and the best I have tasted.

El Dorado 21
Yep...Thanks to a fellow board member....I am getting ready to start working on a bottle!

Sounds like a cool dude.

Yeah he is....but I wont taste the greatness for another 40 days....
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#34 Post by Chris Presutti » September 12th, 2010, 9:29 am

My current favorite combo for Dark & Stormy's is Ron Atlantico Private Cask rum and Regatta Authentic Bermuda Stone Ginger Beer. Both are worth seeking out as they make the most refreshing D&S's I've had to date. Don't forget to use lots of fresh lime!

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#35 Post by Nathan V. » September 12th, 2010, 11:14 am

Chris Presutti wrote:My current favorite combo for Dark & Stormy's is Ron Atlantico Private Cask rum and Regatta Authentic Bermuda Stone Ginger Beer. Both are worth seeking out as they make the most refreshing D&S's I've had to date. Don't forget to use lots of fresh lime!
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#36 Post by Brent C l a y t o n » September 12th, 2010, 6:55 pm

Not a big fan of Regatta Ginger Beer. Whenever I have bought it in the northeast, it doesn't quite seem 'fresh.'

I love Gosling's Ginger Beer, even though it is contract-made by Pepsi. pepsi

Barrett's Ginger Beer, contract-made by Coke, is weak and terrible, not recommended.

I also can get Reed's Organic Ginger Beer quite readily. I prefer the spicy.

I used to like Old Tyme, but I have not seen that in years.

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#37 Post by Nathan V. » September 13th, 2010, 8:20 am

Brent Clayton wrote:Not a big fan of Regatta Ginger Beer. Whenever I have bought it in the northeast, it doesn't quite seem 'fresh.'

I love Gosling's Ginger Beer, even though it is contract-made by Pepsi. pepsi

Barrett's Ginger Beer, contract-made by Coke, is weak and terrible, not recommended.

I also can get Reed's Organic Ginger Beer quite readily. I prefer the spicy.

I used to like Old Tyme, but I have not seen that in years.

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#38 Post by Aaron Nix-Gomez » October 6th, 2010, 7:19 am

I used to drink Diplomatico Reserva Exclusiva but I've really enjoyed The Scarlet Ibis this past year.

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#39 Post by Chris Presutti » October 6th, 2010, 12:25 pm

Brent Clayton wrote:Not a big fan of Regatta Ginger Beer. Whenever I have bought it in the northeast, it doesn't quite seem 'fresh.'

I love Gosling's Ginger Beer, even though it is contract-made by Pepsi. pepsi

Barrett's Ginger Beer, contract-made by Coke, is weak and terrible, not recommended.

I also can get Reed's Organic Ginger Beer quite readily. I prefer the spicy.

I used to like Old Tyme, but I have not seen that in years.

Any other Ginger Beer recommendations?
I'm back to using Reed's now as that's what my bride prefers. I recently tried a ginger beer made by Ginger People, the company that is better known for their sauces, marinades, and candies. It was OK but not as good as others we've tried.

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#40 Post by Brent C l a y t o n » December 8th, 2010, 5:34 pm

Drinking some Ron Zacapa 23yr tonight!

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#41 Post by Jorge Henriquez » December 8th, 2010, 7:23 pm

Brent Clayton wrote:Drinking some Ron Zacapa 23yr tonight!

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Great effing rum! Just gave the wife a bottle as a Channukah gift on Sunday. She loved it as well. Ain't I a smartypants? [highfive.gif]
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#42 Post by Brent C l a y t o n » December 10th, 2010, 8:23 am

Actually, Jorge, this skipped my mind and you'll like the story even better...

For Thanksgiving, a Dominican doorman who is friends with my Mexican delivery guy gave him a 200ml of Brugal Extra Viejo for Thanksgiving. This stuff rivals Barbancourt 15 for it's aromatic complexity and delicacy. I wish it was available in the USA! [cry.gif]


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#43 Post by David Walker » December 10th, 2010, 8:32 am

Big fan of Vizcaya cuban styled Rum. Available for ~$40 in this area.

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#44 Post by Jorge Henriquez » December 10th, 2010, 8:47 am

Brent Clayton wrote:I wish it was available in the USA! [cry.gif]


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It's not?!?!? News to me! You can probably find all you want in Washington Heights. If not, I can get you some after the holidays with someone from home. Let me know.
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#45 Post by Brent C l a y t o n » December 10th, 2010, 9:04 am

Jorge,

Definitely not available via Southern, the distributor in NY. If it's available in WH that must be the, umm..., 'Grey Market' supply. [wow.gif]
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#46 Post by Jorge Henriquez » December 10th, 2010, 9:43 am

Brent Clayton wrote:Jorge,

Definitely not available via Southern, the distributor in NY. If it's available in WH that must be the, umm..., 'Grey Market' supply. [wow.gif]
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#47 Post by Terence T-Bone Livingston » December 10th, 2010, 9:43 am

Anyone ever have Zaya Gran Reserva 12 year old? I was gifted a bottle...I don't drink rum.

Gift perhaps? Flavor profile?
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#48 Post by Brent C l a y t o n » December 10th, 2010, 10:26 am

Jorge,

Crow I will eat tonight.

T-Bone,

Zaya is a heavy-bodied, richer style of rum to me. It's good, but not a favorite, and unless you want a rum that you should sip like cognac it might be good to re-gift.
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#49 Post by Bob Summers » January 5th, 2011, 11:28 pm

Prichard's Fine Rum. Domestic.

Not overly woody. Caramel, fruity, floral. If you like Pyrat XO you'd like this.
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#50 Post by John Liotta » January 11th, 2011, 9:50 am

Roberto Rogness wrote:"This review indicates the quality may have fallen off."

Patron Brands (who don't really MAKE anything, they are marketers based in Vegas) bought Pyrat a while back so I would look for a continuing slump in quality and an increase in blingage and flash promotion / advertising.

This is really not true. A lot of people like to rip on Patron but they are still a good company. If it wasn't for them (in the '80s) there would not be a premium Tequila market in the United States (there would only be Cuervo). Up through around 2003 their Tequila was basically Siete Leguas, which is one of the finest Tequilas out there. When they decided to build their own, massive, space they hired away Siete Leguas Master Distiller, Francisco Alcaraz (commonly referred to as El Diablo). Their Tequilas are still very well-made . . . and certainly well-marketed. The fact that they bought Pyrat is probably good for the brand. I doubt seriously the brand will decline. If anything you will read stories, perhaps written by spirits geeks (with no proof), lamenting the sale and swearing off Pyrat in the future. This is similar to a company like LVMH buying another small Champagne house. Has Krug or Dom changed for the worse?

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