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#1 Post by Brian G r a f s t r o m » December 13th, 2009, 10:30 am

It's actually been a while since I've had a pour, but for the purposes of starting this I'll toss-out my favorite, Lagavulin. [thumbs-up.gif]
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#2 Post by Steve Saxon » December 13th, 2009, 10:33 am

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#3 Post by Mark F r a n k s » December 13th, 2009, 10:35 am

Yesterday, my brother and I shared some Chivas Regal Royal Salute 21yr old Scotch, delicious and smooooooth.
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#4 Post by Chris Presutti » December 13th, 2009, 10:45 am

My go-to's are Oban and Talisker but I've really been enjoying 14-year-old Clynelish from the coastal highlands lately. You can just taste the salty air. Great stuff.

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#5 Post by Adam Noble » December 13th, 2009, 10:47 am

Love the Macallan (1982). Glenrothes is my go to because my dad has a place he gets is cheap, and it's good. But my favorite, more or less, is Balvanie 21 year port wood. Too bad it's so bloody expensive now.

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#6 Post by Dick Krueger » December 13th, 2009, 11:10 am

Years ago I used to drink Scotch, but I stopped about 30 years ago and have only a couple disappointing high-end Scotches since.
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#7 Post by Frank Deis » December 13th, 2009, 11:46 am

Chris Presutti wrote:My go-to's are Oban and Talisker but I've really been enjoying 14-year-old Clynelish from the coastal highlands lately. You can just taste the salty air. Great stuff.
Dayumn! A man of taste. Oban and Talisker were in my cellar until I finished the Oban last night.

Lagavulin is awfully nice too...

I don't buy it often and I reserve it as a rare treat but I sure enjoy it when I allow myself the indulgence.
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#8 Post by Dan Hammer » December 13th, 2009, 11:48 am

Brian G r a f s t r o m wrote: I'll toss-out my favorite, Lagavulin. [thumbs-up.gif]
I like the smokey flavor of this.

I currently own a Balvenie 12. Recently purchased at the duty free in Seoul for USD$33. Everything else at the Seoul DF is $$$$.
I also enjoy Oban and Highland Park.


Think I'll go and take a pour while I watch the Jet game.
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#9 Post by Brian G r a f s t r o m » December 13th, 2009, 12:19 pm

Dan Hammer wrote: I also enjoy Oban and Highland Park.


Think I'll go and take a pour while I watch the Jet game.
HP is another of my favorites. Oban is also good, but I do find it a bit oily. Another vote for Talisker, as well. Talisker and Highland Park achieve a balance that Lagavulin doesn't even try for.
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#10 Post by C. Bowman » December 13th, 2009, 12:33 pm

Cardhu for a Single Malt, it's a little lighter than Oban and perfect Neat or with 1 or 2 ice cubes in it, Dewars for a cocktail with soda or water.

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#11 Post by Todd F r e n c h » December 13th, 2009, 12:38 pm

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I can't imagine how epic that is. The best 'attainable' Scotch I can remember is 15 year The Macallan. I've had the 12 year and was not at all impressed - rather go with Balvenie or Glenlivet 12 (my 'go to' Scotch). The 18 year Mac must kick serious ass.
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#12 Post by Brian G r a f s t r o m » December 13th, 2009, 12:55 pm

Todd F r e n c h wrote: I can't imagine how epic that is. The best 'attainable' Scotch I can remember is 15 year The Macallan. I've had the 12 year and was not at all impressed - rather go with Balvenie or Glenlivet 12 (my 'go to' Scotch). The 18 year Mac must kick serious ass.
they also make 25 and 30 yr versions ... bucco bucks, though. [shock.gif] The 18 is actually reasonably priced.
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#13 Post by Frank Deis » December 13th, 2009, 2:59 pm

Todd, you got to try some new stuff.

Smith's Glenlivet was SOOO much better 20 years ago than it is today.

It is now riding on a reputation which it does not deserve. 90% hype.

The best single malts have inflated from that $39 dollar range up to $50-$70 for reasons, they are expensive to produce. How come Glenlivet has maintained the old price point?

They have that club with membership and videos, they are selling boatloads of Scotch to Asia, and the quality has plummeted.
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#14 Post by Todd F r e n c h » December 13th, 2009, 3:06 pm

Frank Deis wrote:Todd, you got to try some new stuff.

Smith's Glenlivet was SOOO much better 20 years ago than it is today.

It is now riding on a reputation which it does not deserve. 90% hype.

The best single malts have inflated from that $39 dollar range up to $50-$70 for reasons, they are expensive to produce. How come Glenlivet has maintained the old price point?

They have that club with membership and videos, they are selling boatloads of Scotch to Asia, and the quality has plummeted.
I mean Glenfiddich, but I'm assuming you will have the same thing to say about it.

I'm open to recommendations.
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#15 Post by Brian G r a f s t r o m » December 13th, 2009, 3:17 pm

oh, gawd!! Glenfiddich ... Glenlivet [suicide.gif] .... those are to Scotch what Columbia Crest is to wine .... not bad, but not even close to as good as you can get, either. (i'm referring only to their respective 12 yr's)


Todd, do yourself a favor: don't ever buy another bottle of Glenfiddich; stick around this thread a while, and try some of those mentioned herein. You like Mac -- that's a good start. Perhaps try Cragganmore or Aberlour next. I think you will find those palatable.
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#16 Post by Todd F r e n c h » December 13th, 2009, 3:21 pm

Brian G r a f s t r o m wrote:oh, gawd!! Glenfiddich ... Glenlivet [suicide.gif] .... those are to Scotch what Columbia Crest is to wine .... not bad, but not even close to as good as you can get, either. (i'm referring only to their respective 12 yr's)


Todd, do yourself a favor: don't ever buy another bottle of Glenfiddich; stick around this thread a while, and try some of those mentioned herein. You like Mac -- that's a good start. Perhaps try Cragganmore or Aberlour next. I think you will find those palatable.
Brian - I'm not considering Glenfiddich as a 'good' single malt at all, just a daily drinker type, as an alternative to a blend.
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#17 Post by Brian G r a f s t r o m » December 13th, 2009, 3:23 pm

Todd F r e n c h wrote:
Brian G r a f s t r o m wrote:oh, gawd!! Glenfiddich ... Glenlivet [suicide.gif] .... those are to Scotch what Columbia Crest is to wine .... not bad, but not even close to as good as you can get, either. (i'm referring only to their respective 12 yr's)


Todd, do yourself a favor: don't ever buy another bottle of Glenfiddich; stick around this thread a while, and try some of those mentioned herein. You like Mac -- that's a good start. Perhaps try Cragganmore or Aberlour next. I think you will find those palatable.
Brian - I'm not considering Glenfiddich as a 'good' single malt at all, just a daily drinker type, as an alternative to a blend.
good ... nonetheless, there are plenty other equally-priced (or barely more expensive) single malts that I would recommend as daily drinkers above Glenfiddich. You should be able to find Cragganmore for less than $40.

blended Scotch [suicide.gif] [suicide.gif] ... i dislike those about as much as i like single malts (granted, i've yet to try the famed JW Blue)
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#18 Post by Frank Deis » December 13th, 2009, 3:32 pm

Todd F r e n c h wrote: I mean Glenfiddich, but I'm assuming you will have the same thing to say about it.

I'm open to recommendations.
No, Todd. I =never= liked Glenfiddich. neener

It is criminal what has happened to Glenlivet, that used to be really major good stuff.

Aberlour is inexpensive and so is Cragganmore, much better drinks.
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#19 Post by Todd F r e n c h » December 13th, 2009, 3:46 pm

HiTime has Cragganmore - I'll give it a try

http://www.hitimewine.net/istar.asp?a=6&id=106660!1104" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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#20 Post by Dan Hammer » December 13th, 2009, 5:32 pm

I use to drink Dewers 12 with a Japanese client of mine. Funny thing is that I eventually developed a taste for it.
He's since passed away, and every so often, when I'm eating sushi, I order one for old times sake.
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#21 Post by Jorge Henriquez » December 13th, 2009, 6:25 pm

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#22 Post by Al Osterheld » December 13th, 2009, 8:50 pm

Cragganmore is a favorite of mine. If you consider how long it takes you to finish a bottle, Scotch is pretty cheap compared to wine (same for spirits in general).

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#23 Post by Jay $$ Winton » December 14th, 2009, 7:02 am

Deanston 30 at the MWA NYC tasting was pretty tremendous and the Royal Salute was quite nice as well as the Highland Park 25...... Back to reality, the Tomatin 12 is a solid whiskey and my current everydayer; at $22 it doesn't break the bank. After attending the Annapolis Christmas boat parade, I enjoyed a few Singleton 12s as they were out of the Macallan 18.
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#24 Post by Frank Deis » December 14th, 2009, 8:35 am

Al Osterheld wrote:Cragganmore is a favorite of mine. If you consider how long it takes you to finish a bottle, Scotch is pretty cheap compared to wine (same for spirits in general).

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#25 Post by J e r e m y H@nn@h » December 14th, 2009, 9:35 am

I have been trying to move through different styles and producers of scotch recently to find out what I really like. I haven't gotten through too many yet, but I really enjoyed the Highland Park 12yr.

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#26 Post by Peter Tryba » December 14th, 2009, 10:23 am

Brian G r a f s t r o m wrote:i've yet to try the famed JW Blue
You aren't missing much. Their Gold Label is a tastier bottle at a third the price.

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#27 Post by CWun » December 14th, 2009, 10:41 am

My favorite is Lagavulin 16, but recently it's a Laphroaig Quarter-Cask.
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#28 Post by Brian G r a f s t r o m » December 14th, 2009, 4:52 pm

Peter Tryba wrote:
Brian G r a f s t r o m wrote:i've yet to try the famed JW Blue
You aren't missing much. Their Gold Label is a tastier bottle at a third the price.

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i'll give it a go sometime, but my hopes aren't high. i'm afraid of it being too sweet for my preferences ... but wth, i'll order a finger sometime I'm out.
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#29 Post by gary hatley » December 14th, 2009, 5:04 pm

I do love the scotch. Laphroaig (Peaty), Highland Park, Cragganmore...all in my wheelhouse. When my wife pops some corn I always like a JW Black and club soda with a slice of key lime...a nice combo.
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#30 Post by Al Osterheld » December 14th, 2009, 7:50 pm

Easy for YOU to say, you've had that same glass in your hand for years now (at least your Avatar has)
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#31 Post by Frank Deis » December 14th, 2009, 8:01 pm

FWIW my brother in law served me JW Blue a year or two back, and I just was not impressed with it.
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#32 Post by Bob Wood » December 14th, 2009, 8:18 pm

gary hatley wrote:II always like a JW Black and club soda with a slice of key lime...a nice combo.
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#33 Post by Karen Troisi » December 15th, 2009, 9:42 am

I just started getting into single malts over this past year. Such a wide range of styles, etc. My favorites so far are:
- Dalmore 1263 King Alexander III (very smooth)
- Bruichladdich 14 yr. (Italian Collection) (very fruity)
- Glenmorangie Quinta Ruban (fruity/nutty)

I'm looking to add a bottle to this collection if anyone has suggestions - we're finding we like the smokey style best:
- three bottles listed above
- Balvenie 17-year (sherry oak cask)
- BenRiach 15-year speyside
- Old Malt Cask 16-year (sherry single oak cask)
- Arran 10-year
- Macallan 12-year Elegancia
- Ardbeg 1990
- Ardmore 1898 Traditional Cask
- Talisker 175th Anniversary
- Old Malt Cask 1987 17-year
- Highland Park 12-year
- Macallan 18-year

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#34 Post by CWun » December 15th, 2009, 10:25 am

K. Troisi wrote:I just started getting into single malts over this past year. Such a wide range of styles, etc. ...........
I'm looking to add a bottle to this collection if anyone has suggestions - we're finding we like the smokey style best:
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If you like the smokey/peaty style then the classic one is Lagavulin 16. Laphroaig 10yr is a bit cheaper but not as oily/smooth IMHO. Caol Ila (distillery bottled and not independently bottled) is another good choice.
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#35 Post by Frank Deis » December 15th, 2009, 11:17 am

This discussion of styles reminded me of the wonderful "flavor map" from Dr. Scotch.

http://www.drscotch.com/scotch-tip-flavor-chart/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

You can really get a good idea of what Scotch you should try by finding your "favorite neighborhood" on this chart.
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#36 Post by Karen Troisi » December 15th, 2009, 11:44 am

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Thanks very much for the info. We both enjoy the Dalmore (which I purchased in the UK recently) - any suggestions on a similar single-malt? This one is incredibly smooth.

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#37 Post by Brian G r a f s t r o m » December 15th, 2009, 1:21 pm

CWun wrote:
K. Troisi wrote:I just started getting into single malts over this past year. Such a wide range of styles, etc. ...........
I'm looking to add a bottle to this collection if anyone has suggestions - we're finding we like the smokey style best:
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If you like the smokey/peaty style then the classic one is Lagavulin 16. Laphroaig 10yr is a bit cheaper but not as oily/smooth IMHO. Caol Ila (distillery bottled and not independently bottled) is another good choice.
+1. Lagavulin is the end-all-be-all for smoky scotch. I'd recommend the Laphroaig 15 over their 10 -- their 10 is a bit harsh, imo. Ardbeg is another nice one for smokiness, as is Talisker (to a lesser extent).
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#38 Post by Brian G r a f s t r o m » December 15th, 2009, 1:24 pm

Frank Deis wrote:This discussion of styles reminded me of the wonderful "flavor map" from Dr. Scotch.

http://www.drscotch.com/scotch-tip-flavor-chart/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

You can really get a good idea of what Scotch you should try by finding your "favorite neighborhood" on this chart.
thanks for posting this chart, Frank. I think it's amazingly accurate -- at least w/r/t those that I've tasted. If the quadrants are numbered clockwise, starting in the upper left hand corner, my order of preference, from favorite to least favorite to least would be: 2, 1, 3, 4.
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#39 Post by Frank Deis » December 15th, 2009, 1:26 pm

For my taste, Ardbeg is completely over the top with smokiness. It's kind of like sticking your head into a pile of burning leaves. On that chart I posted, the "top left" quadrant gets a little weird and extreme IMHO. Top right is my "home base" -- smoky AND rich. Along the same lines -- Laphroaig can be distractingly medicinal. Like gargling strong cough syrup while riding behind a big diesel truck... I can enjoy that but it's pretty strange, the flavors require some effort to enjoy.
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#40 Post by Brian G r a f s t r o m » December 15th, 2009, 1:34 pm

Frank Deis wrote:For my taste, Ardbeg is completely over the top with smokiness. It's kind of like sticking your head into a pile of burning leaves. On that chart I posted, the "top left" quadrant gets a little weird and extreme IMHO. Top right is my "home base" -- smoky AND rich. Along the same lines -- Laphroaig can be distractingly medicinal. Like gargling strong cough syrup while riding behind a big diesel truck... I can enjoy that but it's pretty strange, the flavors require some effort to enjoy.
Ardbeg and Laphroig are change-of-pace malts for me. I'm a Lagavulin fan, through and through. It’s pretty much my definition of the perfect scotch.

The Laphroaig 10 is too rough for me to enjoy, but the 15yr I do like – although it’s a bit too salty and angular when compared to the Lagavulin. The Ardbeg is yet another step below that, imo.

Whenver I’m at a bar, and I want a scotch, I usually order a Lagavulin or Talisker. After that I might change it up and go for an Aberlour, Cragganmore, HP, or Longmorn (on the rare occasion I see that one).

Oban I do like, but I find it far too oily. Nearly everything in the lower left quadrant is very not my thing.
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#41 Post by Michael Bowden » December 15th, 2009, 4:22 pm

Had this this past weekend (damn good) (Balvenie 50)
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Looks like they have changed their label now to this -
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Also had a glass of Glenrothes 30 which was good, but not as good as the Balvenie 50.
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#42 Post by Roberto Rogness » December 15th, 2009, 4:34 pm

41 posts in and no one is doing independent bottlers single cask / cask strength stuff? We sell a LOT of those so someone must be drinking them...
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#43 Post by Michael Bowden » December 15th, 2009, 4:40 pm

Roberto Rogness wrote:41 posts in and no one is doing independent bottlers single cask / cask strength stuff? We sell a LOT of those so someone must be drinking them...
Apparently they dont post here.....
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#44 Post by Todd F r e n c h » December 15th, 2009, 4:47 pm

Roberto Rogness wrote:41 posts in and no one is doing independent bottlers single cask / cask strength stuff? We sell a LOT of those so someone must be drinking them...
Tell them they now have a place to post.

And for heaven's sake - do a tasting event over there with those Scotches! what's wrong with you, man?
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#45 Post by Roberto Rogness » December 15th, 2009, 5:09 pm

We can't taste on premises (yet!).

Just to be clear for those who may not know: I am talking about companies like Scotts, Cadenhead, Chiefton's and Murry McDavid who buy casks FROM single malt distilleries and then age them in THEIR warehouses and later bottle them (generally without filtration or dilution but also usually without blending the barrels) and offer them for sale.

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#46 Post by Jeff Twersky » December 15th, 2009, 5:36 pm

That chart explains a lot. I have been drinking Lagavulin 16 and Highland Park 12. I drink a hell of a lot more Whiskey than Whisky, though.

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#47 Post by Larry Stein » December 15th, 2009, 9:05 pm

Roberto Rogness wrote:41 posts in and no one is doing independent bottlers single cask / cask strength stuff? We sell a LOT of those so someone must be drinking them...
Oh, I do!

I have the following:

Isle of Skye 8 yr old (appx. 40% Talisker)
Highland Park 14 yr old, bottled for Beltramo's (46%)
Talisker 18 yr old
Blair Athol 11 yr old, Signatory (46%)
1999 Laphroaig, Signatory (58%)
Lagavulin 12 yr old "Special Release" (56.4%) - a friend brought this over from the UK, not available in the US. Completely blows the doors off of the Lagavulin 16.
1989 Speyside, Macallan-Glenlivet, Cadenhead (60.3%)
Bruichladdich PC5 (63.5%)
Bruichladdich PC6 (61.6%)
Bruichladdich PC7 (61%)

I have another bottle each of the Laphroaig, Lagavulin, Macallan-Glenlivet, and PC6 which I keep in my offsite wine storage.

Also, unchillfiltered is the way to go with single malts!

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#48 Post by Brian G r a f s t r o m » December 16th, 2009, 1:09 pm

K&L currently has the Lagavulin 12yr Cask Strength for $69.99 and the 1993 Lagavulin Distiller’s Edition for $105.99.
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#49 Post by John Osburn » December 16th, 2009, 1:22 pm

Larry Stein wrote:
Roberto Rogness wrote:41 posts in and no one is doing independent bottlers single cask / cask strength stuff? We sell a LOT of those so someone must be drinking them...
Oh, I do!

I have the following:

Lagavulin 12 yr old "Special Release" (56.4%) - a friend brought this over from the UK, not available in the US. Completely blows the doors off of the Lagavulin 16.

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That is some tasty whisky all right. Almost as tasty as the Laphroiag 30 yo I had a sip of the oher night. I will be sad to see that bottle empty...

For a change of pace from my usual Islays I like the Signatory Caol Ila 1989 (all right, it's still an Islay but has a much ligher body than Lagavulin or Ardbeg).

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#50 Post by Roberto Rogness » December 16th, 2009, 1:39 pm

"For a change of pace from my usual Islays I like the Signatory Caol Ila 1989"

We had a customer buy five bottles of that. I asked "Gifts?" "Nope, don't wanna run out!"
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