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#14701 Post by JeromeHan » July 20th, 2017, 3:15 pm

Evil Twin Sanguinem Aurantiaco. I was really underwhelmed by this effort. Seemed like they made this beer, just because they had to.

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#14702 Post by Rick Allen » July 21st, 2017, 6:20 am

R yan C omaz zetto wrote:
Rick Allen wrote:Patrick and my son Jeff are delivering to a handful of places (<25) on 7/21. We are only allowed to work with certain stores and pubs because we are self-distributing from out of state. I'll post a list when it is finalized - probably Monday.
Rick - any chance you can post that list? Thanks
Here's the list. My sales guys didn't give it to me until yesterday afternoon:

Seattle
Bottleworks
Chuck's Hop Shop (2 locations)
DiLaurenti's
The Masonry
TeKU Tavern

Bellingham
Elizabeth Station

Tacoma
Pint Defiance

This is bottles only at this point. We're going to use disposable kegs in WA, and they haven't been delivered yet.

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#14703 Post by BRhoades » July 22nd, 2017, 4:27 pm

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Monkish Brewing Co. DDH Foggier Window DIPA. 8.1% ABV. Hopped with Citra, Nelson and Galaxy hops.

Last week Monkish dropped Life Is Foggy, the younger IPA sibling to this Monkish classic, so it made sense to see this return in a DDH Imperial format. Yesterday this was released in cans for 760 full allocations, I was told cans lasted for almost 5 hours which could be a great topic of discussion in its own thread. So massively hoppy at this stage of it's life it can't even generate any lasting head when swirled it's so abundantly hopped, but it's beloved for good reason, loads of ripe tropical fruits, bitter sweet citrus, ripe melon and berries slice through the very complex palett.Body is medium to medium plus. Its got a great pithy bitterness to transition from mid palette through a bone dry finish. Fun to drink now this will continue to gain layers of complexity over the next three weeks+.

Highly Recommended,

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#14704 Post by Rich Salsano » July 22nd, 2017, 8:25 pm

An absolute silly amount of New England craft beers so far this weekend.

Crusher, Heady Topper, Focal Banger, Beelzebub, Pappys Porter
Bright, Alter Ego, Julius, Lights On, Old Man
Launch Beer, Mettle, Secret Stairs, ddh Stillings Street

Among others. Good stuff.
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#14705 Post by Andrew Kotowski » July 23rd, 2017, 12:30 pm

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Highly recommended.

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#14706 Post by Jason Hagen » July 23rd, 2017, 12:36 pm

Andrew Kotowski wrote:
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Highly recommended.

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Nice. For some reason i thought they stopped bottling Blind Pig.

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#14707 Post by Andrew Kotowski » July 23rd, 2017, 1:04 pm

These were bottled end of May. Little older than I'd like, but they were waiting for me when I showed up, so wasn't going to complain. Picked up some canned Swammis, will try those next. Beer holiday through Thursday :)
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#14708 Post by Glenn L e v i n e » July 23rd, 2017, 2:04 pm

Craig G wrote:
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To get to Greeley from Fort Collins: "Go south until you smell it, then east until you step in it."
That's funny as Greeley is one of those towns seemingly perpetually looking for a surgeon over the last three decades.
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#14709 Post by BRhoades » July 23rd, 2017, 2:44 pm

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Highly recommended.

Cheers,

AK
Love this beer and was surprised as well to see it in bottle. Good on ya Andrew.

Cheers,

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#14710 Post by BRhoades » July 23rd, 2017, 2:45 pm

Rich Salsano wrote:An absolute silly amount of New England craft beers so far this weekend.

Crusher, Heady Topper, Focal Banger, Beelzebub, Pappys Porter
Bright, Alter Ego, Julius, Lights On, Old Man
Launch Beer, Mettle, Secret Stairs, ddh Stillings Street

Among others. Good stuff.
Thats some good drinking right there !

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#14711 Post by Sean Devaney » July 24th, 2017, 9:29 am

Jason Hagen wrote:
Andrew Kotowski wrote:
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Highly recommended.

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Nice. For some reason i thought they stopped bottling Blind Pig.

J
They cut back big time on production to brew more Pliney and it only very limited release for retail but is almost always available at the brewery. Great IPA and sometimes I prefer it to Pliney.

BTW pro-tip if you ever find your self going to a SF Giants game hit up the Public House at the park where you can get Blind Pig on tap and you can get a couple to bring into the stadium (much cheaper) and enter straight from the pub through their own entrance.

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#14712 Post by Andrew Kotowski » July 24th, 2017, 11:00 am

@Sean - the BP bottles I was drinking were from the brewery.

Just had a Port Brewing Hop 15 with child verde and eggs for breakfast :). Always a go-to DIPA, but wondering if it's still one of the top tiers.
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#14713 Post by Joe Hauck » July 24th, 2017, 4:03 pm

Drank several Indie Brewing Company IPA Del Rey over last week and was also able to score a 4 pack before heading home. LA locals, whats the deal with these guys?? Just about a perfect IPA for my palette.
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#14714 Post by BRhoades » July 24th, 2017, 5:42 pm

Joe Hauck wrote:Drank several Indie Brewing Company IPA Del Rey over last week and was also able to score a 4 pack before heading home. LA locals, whats the deal with these guys?? Just about a perfect IPA for my palette.
Joe, they kinda get lost in the haze of breweries in and around LA/OC county that the new money haze bro's hype and frequent as well as non existent distribution.. I've had a couple at a few of our tasting group shares, from my notes they were, Find That Juicy Double and Worth The Squeeze IPA, both were good, nothing crazy but solid well made beers. A lot of their IPAs and DIPAs have added fruits and other adjuncts which I'm not a fan of.

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#14715 Post by Joe Hauck » July 24th, 2017, 6:45 pm

BRhoades wrote:
Joe Hauck wrote:Drank several Indie Brewing Company IPA Del Rey over last week and was also able to score a 4 pack before heading home. LA locals, whats the deal with these guys?? Just about a perfect IPA for my palette.
Joe, they kinda get lost in the haze of breweries in and around LA/OC county that the new money haze bro's hype and frequent as well as non existent distribution.. I've had a couple at a few of our tasting group shares, from my notes they were, Find That Juicy Double and Worth The Squeeze IPA, both were good, nothing crazy but solid well made beers. A lot of their IPAs and DIPAs have added fruits and other adjuncts which I'm not a fan of.

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Bud
Thanks Bud, Del Rey didn't have any fruit that I'm aware of just a juicer WC style. I had never heard of them before last week.
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#14716 Post by Brian G r a f s t r o m » July 24th, 2017, 6:56 pm

I like that beer a lot, Joe. But it has a three-pronged problem:
1. Inconsistent availability
2. Price... $11 for a 4 pack
3. Personal preferences... I do not like it as much as Swami's, and I can get two more cans of Swami's by paying one or two dollars more.

Therefore, I buy it occasionally, when I am in the mood to mix things up a bit.
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#14717 Post by Andrew Kotowski » July 24th, 2017, 9:12 pm

Have been hitting the stash that I stocked away before the move. Definitely some heat on this, but I'd expect nothing less from a 13.4% barrel-aged quad.
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#14718 Post by c fu » July 25th, 2017, 8:18 am

we did a vertical of parabola

2010-2017 with the only one missing is 2012.

2010 is tasting a bit hollowed on the mid palate now, it has a ton of acid still but it's missing really any body on it.
2011 is drinking great, tons of acidity, coffee notes, fading a little on the mid but still has that punch to it.
2013 and 2014 are absolutely in the zone. Both still powerful but refined with piercing acidity with full on roasted chocolate notes all over.
15 and 16 are still a bit too woody for me
17 we pressed with intelligensia coffee and was a bit too much of a coffee bomb.
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#14719 Post by Andrew Kotowski » July 25th, 2017, 6:39 pm

Alpine Duet (new label?)
Modern Times Orderville
Modern Times Tetra City
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#14720 Post by jhemming » July 26th, 2017, 7:57 am

After a getting through handful of Trillium growlers, this was a pleasant and welcome change. Bought last year and held. It was just fantastic with just a touch of funk to balance out the puckering red fruit.
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#14721 Post by Jason Hagen » July 26th, 2017, 10:57 am

Joe Hauck wrote:Drank several Indie Brewing Company IPA Del Rey over last week and was also able to score a 4 pack before heading home. LA locals, whats the deal with these guys?? Just about a perfect IPA for my palette.
You don't call? [cry.gif]

I haven't heard of them. I'll keep an eye out.

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#14722 Post by Jason Hagen » July 26th, 2017, 10:58 am

jhemming wrote:After a getting through handful of Trillium growlers, this was a pleasant and welcome change. Bought last year and held. It was just fantastic with just a touch of funk to balance out the puckering red fruit.
Love that beer flirtysmile

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#14723 Post by Barry Paul Price » July 26th, 2017, 11:40 am

Favorite beers include but def not limited too Russian River Pliny the Elder, Firestone Parabola, Ballast Sculpin. Growing up in Canada you drink lots of beer. lol.
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#14724 Post by Jason Hagen » July 26th, 2017, 12:33 pm

After having tasters of a few of their beers and being uninspired, I decided to revisit and ordered Chapman Crafted Beers - Cloud Talk. It is delicious. I will pay them a visit sometime soon.

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#14725 Post by Joe Hauck » July 26th, 2017, 4:20 pm

Jason Hagen wrote:
Joe Hauck wrote:Drank several Indie Brewing Company IPA Del Rey over last week and was also able to score a 4 pack before heading home. LA locals, whats the deal with these guys?? Just about a perfect IPA for my palette.
You don't call? [cry.gif]

I haven't heard of them. I'll keep an eye out.

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#14726 Post by Michael Martin » July 26th, 2017, 4:35 pm

A New World brew, but from old root stock dating back to Milwaukee in 1844. Selected as America's best in 1893.
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#14727 Post by Dennis Atick » July 28th, 2017, 7:49 am

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Aint nobody touching Treehouse for me these days. The best.
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#14728 Post by Dave H. » July 29th, 2017, 11:11 am

I opened a 22 of Founders "Lizard of Koz," a BB stout with blueberries, vanilla and chocolate.
I was expecting sweet, but holy cow this is gross. Sickly sweet with an undercurrent of something passing as blueberry. 4 oz. and I was out.
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#14729 Post by Brian G r a f s t r o m » July 30th, 2017, 9:22 am

at Beachwood last night:
"LBC" IPA (growler filled this one because ...)
"Dank Energy" DIPA (...wasn't on growler fills. this one was my favorite)
"Hop Ninja" DIPA
"Wholly Smoke" Porter (this was very okay; not smoky; and just an average Porter)
"Scul Pint" IPA (this was very lemony; good, but odd)
"Citraholic" IPA (excellent, as always)
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#14730 Post by Brian Lynch » August 2nd, 2017, 10:14 am

Had Stickee Monkee on tap this summer. Excellent.

Other beers I have enjoyed this summer that are worth grabbing if you see them:

Sumerian IPA, Stone Pilot series

The Pupil, Societe San Diego

Islands in the Sun, Conshohocken Brewing

Lawson's Sip o' Sunshine

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#14731 Post by BRhoades » August 2nd, 2017, 5:35 pm

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Brouwerij West, SUPERCOLLIDER IPA.6.5% ABV. Hopped with Citra, Mosaic and Motueka hops. I really like what these guys have been doing lately, their Pow Wow batch of Picnic Lightning,( a true pow wow of local brewmasters playing with the OG recipe) was fantastic, so when they dropped these cans last weekend I had to grab a few four packs. This pours a pretty hazy yellowish orange with a very nice one inch cap of tightly packed bubbles. The nose is very fragrant, dank and full of ripe tropical fruits. The combo of the Citra, Mosaic and Motueka adds considerable depth and complexity to the flavor profile, there is a beautiful berry pop mid palette that hints of ripe strawberries and sweet blueberries. At 6.5% this is a crusher and perfect for this hot sticky summer weather. What sets this apart from the pack is that they are not trying to create another copy of an NE styled ale, here they do what Monkish does so well right up the street, they create a beautiful hybrid of styles that is uniquely their own.

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#14732 Post by K e v i n B. » August 2nd, 2017, 6:56 pm

over the past few days:

Equilibrium Vulgar Display of Flower (these guys are making killer beers, still a bit up and coming but word is out in NY area, unfortunately the "#linelife" has started...)

Threes Brewing There You Are (citra/galaxy)
Other Half Simcoe IPA
Transient Artisan Ales Mind to Devour
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Interboro DDH Fullltime
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#14733 Post by Brian G r a f s t r o m » August 3rd, 2017, 8:58 am

Where did you come across the Surly, Kevin?
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#14734 Post by K e v i n B. » August 3rd, 2017, 9:07 am

Brian G r a f s t r o m wrote:Where did you come across the Surly, Kevin?
a friend who went to Minnesota on business brought a can back for me
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#14735 Post by Brian G r a f s t r o m » August 3rd, 2017, 10:41 am

Cool. I hope Surly's distro eventually expands now that they're in the bigger brewery.
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#14736 Post by ClarkstonMark » August 3rd, 2017, 12:28 pm

K e v i n B. wrote:over the past few days:

Equilibrium Vulgar Display of Flower (these guys are making killer beers, still a bit up and coming but word is out in NY area, unfortunately the "#linelife" has started...)

Threes Brewing There You Are (citra/galaxy)
Other Half Simcoe IPA
Transient Artisan Ales Mind to Devour
Fiddlehead Second Fiddle
Interboro DDH Fullltime
Surly Furious
What did you think of Mind to Devour.
I really loved this beer.
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#14737 Post by BRhoades » August 3rd, 2017, 5:32 pm

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Happy National IPA Day !

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#14738 Post by K e v i n B. » August 3rd, 2017, 6:58 pm

ClarkstonMark wrote: What did you think of Mind to Devour.
I really loved this beer.
I thought it was pretty good - but it seemed to either be over carbed or maybe refermented a bit... foamed up like crazy on the pour and was super bubbly on the palate. Flavor was real nice though, tropical, juicy - maybe a touch on the sweet side, but I liked it. However, since it seemed to be an off can I probably didn't have the best representation of the beer
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#14739 Post by BRhoades » August 4th, 2017, 6:00 pm

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Monkish Brewing Co. Super Scientifical. DIPA 8% ABV. Hopped with Citra, Amarillo, Vic Secret and Galaxy hops.

The Monkish brethren have been losing their shit over this beer since it's release. I stopped by the brewery today to get a few fills just as they announced another "unannounced " can release at opening, in and out with max allotment of cans and three growlers in 45 minutes, I could get used to this. The hype over this is legit. This beer has it all, insane aromatics,a deep complex flavor profile that ranges from sweet ripe tropicals, citrus, stone fruits and a cool melon berry thing mid palette. Great balance on a very creamy soft body. The finish is long, bitter sweet and drying.

Highly Recommended,

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#14740 Post by A1ex H » August 5th, 2017, 12:57 am

I've been getting much more into craft beer since a friend visited from the States. I had a quick stop-off in New York and had the following on draft:

Barrel-Aged Ten FIDY - very enjoyable. Not as sweet as most BA stouts I've had and could really taste the alcohol on it.
Victory Java Cask - not as complex as the BA Ten Fidy but with much stronger coffee notes.
Grimm Boysen Raspberry Pop - really enjoyable and refreshing. Agree with one of the previous commentator that Grimm are making great sours.
Grimm Passion Dome - not quite as successful as the Raspberry Pop for me. Could imagine it being a great summer session beer.
Grimm Awoogah IPA - really enjoyed it particularly given it was a single IPA.
Other Half DDH Forever Simcoe - one of the better US IPAs I've had so far outside of Trillium. Looking forward to trying the two collaboration beers they made with Cloudwater that are currently on their way to me.

I had a couple of classics from Beavertown yesterday - Gamma Ray and Lupuloid. They're one of my favourite UK craft brewers at the moment.
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#14741 Post by jhemming » August 5th, 2017, 11:37 am

Fantastic Trillium - Monkish collab. Cans were limited but happy to grab two growlers yesterday.

"1-800-COLLABO! We've teamed up with Monkish to bring you Dial Up the Seven Digits, a juicy Double IPA brewed with muscat grape juice. Combining the recipes for Dialed In (our Double IPA brewed with various wine grape juices) and Monkish's Dial the Seven Digits Double IPA, DUT7D is a harmonious marriage of dank hop flavors and smooth, subtle muscat juice. Papaya, grape, peach, and fresh woody pine tease the nose. The palate conjures powerful flavors of papaya juice and tropical fruit with a creamy mouthfeel and wheat finish.



ABV: 8.2%

MALT: Pilsner. Golden Promise, Malted Oats, Dextrine, Caramalt 15, Flaked Wheat

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#14742 Post by Brian G r a f s t r o m » August 5th, 2017, 5:24 pm

Bud, I grabbed a growler of that one, too. Like most Monkish DIPAs, however, I don't perceive a meaningful difference from most other Monkish DIPAs.
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#14743 Post by BRhoades » August 6th, 2017, 1:44 pm

Brian G r a f s t r o m wrote:Bud, I grabbed a growler of that one, too. Like most Monkish DIPAs, however, I don't perceive a meaningful difference from most other Monkish DIPAs.
Keep practicing !

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#14744 Post by BRhoades » August 6th, 2017, 2:49 pm

jhemming wrote:Fantastic Trillium - Monkish collab. Cans were limited but happy to grab two growlers yesterday.

"1-800-COLLABO! We've teamed up with Monkish to bring you Dial Up the Seven Digits, a juicy Double IPA brewed with muscat grape juice. Combining the recipes for Dialed In (our Double IPA brewed with various wine grape juices) and Monkish's Dial the Seven Digits Double IPA, DUT7D is a harmonious marriage of dank hop flavors and smooth, subtle muscat juice. Papaya, grape, peach, and fresh woody pine tease the nose. The palate conjures powerful flavors of papaya juice and tropical fruit with a creamy mouthfeel and wheat finish.



ABV: 8.2%

MALT: Pilsner. Golden Promise, Malted Oats, Dextrine, Caramalt 15, Flaked Wheat

HOPS: Galaxy, Cashmere"

I had the Monkish cans of this and thought it was really good as well.

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#14745 Post by BRhoades » August 6th, 2017, 2:58 pm

Brian G r a f s t r o m wrote:Bud, I grabbed a growler of that one, too. Like most Monkish DIPAs, however, I don't perceive a meaningful difference from most other Monkish DIPAs.
Brian, we took my nephew and his GF to the Hollywood bowl last night, he's not a wine guy and loves Monkish so he asked me to bring a couple, so we had Super Scientifical and Red Beans & Rice side by side. RB&R with its simple grain bill and predominate Citra profile was nothing at all like the SS, which is a more "typical, if there is such a thing " Monkish DIPA. Did you try the Red Beans ? @ 8.8% it drinks like a 6.5% IPA, I don't know how they did it. Like all Monkish super hopped doubles, SS will only get better over the next few weeks, I am laying two growlers down until September. I don't disagree with you however on your perceived "sameness" with regards to NE styled IPAs, whether it be Monkish, Trillium, Tree House etc. There are many factors but the yeast's they use in these recipes has a lot to do with it, the ones with a simpler grain/hop bill tend to differentiate themselves from the pack, much like Red Beans here.

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#14746 Post by c fu » August 6th, 2017, 6:37 pm

BRhoades wrote:
Brian G r a f s t r o m wrote:Bud, I grabbed a growler of that one, too. Like most Monkish DIPAs, however, I don't perceive a meaningful difference from most other Monkish DIPAs.
Brian, we took my nephew and his GF to the Hollywood bowl last night, he's not a wine guy and loves Monkish so he asked me to bring a couple, so we had Super Scientifical and Red Beans & Rice side by side. RB&R with its simple grain bill and predominate Citra profile was nothing at all like the SS, which is a more "typical, if there is such a thing " Monkish DIPA. Did you try the Red Beans ? @ 8.8% it drinks like a 6.5% IPA, I don't know how they did it. Like all Monkish super hopped doubles, SS will only get better over the next few weeks, I am laying two growlers down until September. I don't disagree with you however on your perceived "sameness" with regards to NE styled IPAs, whether it be Monkish, Trillium, Tree House etc. There are many factors but the yeast's they use in these recipes has a lot to do with it, the ones with a simpler grain/hop bill tend to differentiate themselves from the pack, much like Red Beans here.

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Bud
it's also cause they all kinda rotate all their cans around the same core recipes. Hence the similarties.
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#14747 Post by Joe Hauck » August 7th, 2017, 8:10 am

BRhoades wrote:
Brian G r a f s t r o m wrote:Bud, I grabbed a growler of that one, too. Like most Monkish DIPAs, however, I don't perceive a meaningful difference from most other Monkish DIPAs.
Brian, we took my nephew and his GF to the Hollywood bowl last night, he's not a wine guy and loves Monkish so he asked me to bring a couple, so we had Super Scientifical and Red Beans & Rice side by side. RB&R with its simple grain bill and predominate Citra profile was nothing at all like the SS, which is a more "typical, if there is such a thing " Monkish DIPA. Did you try the Red Beans ? @ 8.8% it drinks like a 6.5% IPA, I don't know how they did it. Like all Monkish super hopped doubles, SS will only get better over the next few weeks, I am laying two growlers down until September. I don't disagree with you however on your perceived "sameness" with regards to NE styled IPAs, whether it be Monkish, Trillium, Tree House etc. There are many factors but the yeast's they use in these recipes has a lot to do with it, the ones with a simpler grain/hop bill tend to differentiate themselves from the pack, much like Red Beans here.

Cheers,

Bud

Speaking of the grain bill, I have been told by local brewers ( which may or may not be true) that the way these Hazy IPA's are brewed and get their haziness is by grinding the grains into a flour consistency. Can anyone confirm this?
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#14748 Post by Brian G r a f s t r o m » August 7th, 2017, 1:14 pm

I didn't try that one, Bud. I was there Thurs. afternoon with Ph1l C@rpenter, and they only had La Schmoove and Super Scientifical for IPAs. I assumed we happened to be there between beer changes.
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#14749 Post by BRhoades » August 7th, 2017, 5:14 pm

Brian G r a f s t r o m wrote:I didn't try that one, Bud. I was there Thurs. afternoon with Ph1l C@rpenter, and they only had La Schmoove and Super Scientifical for IPAs. I assumed we happened to be there between beer changes.
Yea, they released that on Friday.

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#14750 Post by c fu » August 7th, 2017, 7:04 pm

Joe Hauck wrote:
BRhoades wrote:
Brian G r a f s t r o m wrote:Bud, I grabbed a growler of that one, too. Like most Monkish DIPAs, however, I don't perceive a meaningful difference from most other Monkish DIPAs.
Brian, we took my nephew and his GF to the Hollywood bowl last night, he's not a wine guy and loves Monkish so he asked me to bring a couple, so we had Super Scientifical and Red Beans & Rice side by side. RB&R with its simple grain bill and predominate Citra profile was nothing at all like the SS, which is a more "typical, if there is such a thing " Monkish DIPA. Did you try the Red Beans ? @ 8.8% it drinks like a 6.5% IPA, I don't know how they did it. Like all Monkish super hopped doubles, SS will only get better over the next few weeks, I am laying two growlers down until September. I don't disagree with you however on your perceived "sameness" with regards to NE styled IPAs, whether it be Monkish, Trillium, Tree House etc. There are many factors but the yeast's they use in these recipes has a lot to do with it, the ones with a simpler grain/hop bill tend to differentiate themselves from the pack, much like Red Beans here.

Cheers,

Bud

Speaking of the grain bill, I have been told by local brewers ( which may or may not be true) that the way these Hazy IPA's are brewed and get their haziness is by grinding the grains into a flour consistency. Can anyone confirm this?
That's the way to "cheat" haze. So the hazy ipas you taste that are a little thick, they do that. The great producers do a massive dry hopping before the end of fermentation that keeps hops in suspension and gives it that flavor and aroma.

That separates the average hazy ipas from the really great ones.
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