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#1 Post by Tyler Rico » December 13th, 2009, 8:21 am

Wow this stuff is good. Soft mellow nose of toffee, caramel, butterscotch and toasty oak. Palate very smooth with a nice long finish. Great balance, this is by far the best bourbon I have ever had.

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#2 Post by Todd F r e n c h » December 13th, 2009, 8:24 am

My favorite place for spirits - HiTimes - doesn't have the 20 year, so I have to find it elsewhere. I'm dying to try this stuff - it has universal praise on the forum.
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#3 Post by Mark F r a n k s » December 13th, 2009, 8:31 am

I've gotta go find this now. We have a bourbon tasting every 4th of July at my Aunt's house, so this sounds like a killer addition. I've had the regular Pappy's and wasn't overly impressed with it when compared to say Basil Hayden or Eagle Rare. I love a good aged Bourbon though and 20yrs sounds about right.
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#4 Post by Steve Saxon » December 13th, 2009, 9:09 am

Okay guys, where can I get some?
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#5 Post by Peter C. » December 13th, 2009, 9:21 am

Saxon - you can winesearcher it, just put pappy van winkle 20 bourbon in the search field.

If you cant find it, there are places near me with it for $106.25 after MA tax, happy to ship if you cant find it locally.
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#6 Post by Steve Saxon » December 13th, 2009, 9:31 am

Peter C. wrote:Saxon - you can winesearcher it, just put pappy van winkle 20 bourbon in the search field.

If you cant find it, there are places near me with it for $106.25 after MA tax, happy to ship if you cant find it locally.
Thanks bro........I'll look here first, if not you're up.
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#7 Post by zachary l a n g » December 13th, 2009, 10:28 am

Peter C. wrote:Saxon - you can winesearcher it, just put pappy van winkle 20 bourbon in the search field.

If you cant find it, there are places near me with it for $106.25 after MA tax, happy to ship if you cant find it locally.
Dont believe him! He's been telling me this line for weeks now, I still don't have a bottle!

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#8 Post by Steve Saxon » December 13th, 2009, 10:49 am

zachary l a n g wrote:
Peter C. wrote:Saxon - you can winesearcher it, just put pappy van winkle 20 bourbon in the search field.

If you cant find it, there are places near me with it for $106.25 after MA tax, happy to ship if you cant find it locally.
Dont believe him! He's been telling me this line for weeks now, I still don't have a bottle!
That's because he does like you Zach.
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#9 Post by Dan Hammer » December 13th, 2009, 11:44 am

I tasted this last year and loved it.

If any of you ITB folks want to offer it at cost, you may find a taker or 2.
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#10 Post by Larry Kaplan » December 13th, 2009, 7:34 pm

I have reposted this message in the CC section where it belongs.
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#11 Post by Peter Tryba » December 14th, 2009, 4:40 am

Hey Larry!
First, thanks for sending out those bottles to my father-in-law awhile back.
Second, don't worry about posting availability of Pappy 20. It's scarce and your price is low enough that your post is more of a public service announcement than pimping :) haha
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#12 Post by Tyler Rico » December 14th, 2009, 6:18 am

Thats a great price Larry!

As bad as MA is for wine and spirits we are lucky enough to have the 20yr around here in a few places for $99.99 as well.

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#13 Post by Larry Kaplan » December 14th, 2009, 7:24 am

Thanks for all the kind words. I have been a "huge" bourbon fan for 8 years now and have often been called bourbon boy by my staff. To be honest at 385 lbs I am a HUGE anything. I have loved the 20 year and we have supported the Van Winkel line. We like to share our spoils of this effort and spread the word of Bourbon when ever possible. Best holiday wishes to all. Drink well and be happy.
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#14 Post by Peter C. » December 14th, 2009, 12:20 pm

zachary l a n g wrote:
Peter C. wrote:Saxon - you can winesearcher it, just put pappy van winkle 20 bourbon in the search field.

If you cant find it, there are places near me with it for $106.25 after MA tax, happy to ship if you cant find it locally.
Dont believe him! He's been telling me this line for weeks now, I still don't have a bottle!

Well if you ever left your parent's house maybe you'd have one neener !

I'll grab one for when I see you in 2010!
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#15 Post by Peter C. » December 14th, 2009, 12:22 pm

Btw, what does decanting a spirit like Bourbon do for it?

Does it keep just as long as if you left it in bottle?
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#16 Post by Phillip F r a n k s » December 14th, 2009, 12:39 pm

Peter C. wrote:Btw, what does decanting a spirit like Bourbon do for it?

Does it keep just as long as if you left it in bottle?
No reason to decant that I am aware of.
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#17 Post by ybarselah » December 14th, 2009, 3:06 pm

i love the stuff. $90 in PA state stores.
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#18 Post by Sean Reed » December 14th, 2009, 4:47 pm

Tyler Rico wrote:Wow this stuff is good. Soft mellow nose of toffee, caramel, butterscotch and toasty oak. Palate very smooth with a nice long finish. Great balance, this is by far the best bourbon I have ever had.
Hands down the best Bourbon I have ever had! IT blows all the other small batch and single barrel bourbons out of the water! I have yet to try their 23 year old but since it is more then twice the cost I will probably not be drinking any of it soon!

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#19 Post by Peter C. » December 15th, 2009, 5:34 am

Phillip Franks wrote:
Peter C. wrote:Btw, what does decanting a spirit like Bourbon do for it?

Does it keep just as long as if you left it in bottle?
No reason to decant that I am aware of.
Phil - will it deteriorate in a decanter?

I'm thinking a decanter of 20yr Pappy for my office, Mad Men-style. Jk, but I think it looks cool and would put one in my house if it doesnt make the spirit worse for wear.
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#20 Post by Mark F r a n k s » December 15th, 2009, 5:45 am

Peter C. wrote:
Phillip Franks wrote:
Peter C. wrote:Btw, what does decanting a spirit like Bourbon do for it?

Does it keep just as long as if you left it in bottle?
No reason to decant that I am aware of.
Phil - will it deteriorate in a decanter?

I'm thinking a decanter of 20yr Pappy for my office, Mad Men-style. Jk, but I think it looks cool and would put one in my house if it doesnt make the spirit worse for wear.
Use non-lead crystal and it should be ok. Leaving any beverage in high lead content crystal for an extended period of time can be risky as the lead can leach into the liquid.
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#21 Post by Kris Patten » October 10th, 2020, 5:51 pm

Funny to see price complaints here vs. now.
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#22 Post by Mike Maguire » October 10th, 2020, 8:21 pm

I heard there will be very little 20 and 23 released this year.On the upside there will be more rye to be had, as always if you can find it.

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#23 Post by Sarah Kirschbaum » October 11th, 2020, 5:16 am

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Funny to see price complaints here vs. now.
I still have bottles with $30 price tags on them!
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#24 Post by Kris Patten » October 11th, 2020, 7:52 am

Mike Maguire wrote:
October 10th, 2020, 8:21 pm
I heard there will be very little 20 and 23 released this year.On the upside there will be more rye to be had, as always if you can find it.
That's funny, if there was 100% more Rye than 2019, we'd get 12 bottles.

If there was 50% less 20 and 23 we'd get 10x the Rye.
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#25 Post by Adam Noble » October 11th, 2020, 8:08 am

Kris Patten wrote:
October 11th, 2020, 7:52 am
Mike Maguire wrote:
October 10th, 2020, 8:21 pm
I heard there will be very little 20 and 23 released this year.On the upside there will be more rye to be had, as always if you can find it.
That's funny, if there was 100% more Rye than 2019, we'd get 12 bottles.

If there was 50% less 20 and 23 we'd get 10x the Rye.
However much they make, I’m confident I will get the same number of each I did last year-zero. I did see a bottle each of the 23 and the 15 at a store raffle last December though. I just didn’t get a high enough draw to nab one. On the other hand I did get a bottle of GTS for around $250 so that didn’t suck.

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#26 Post by Brent C l a y t o n » October 11th, 2020, 9:28 am

Anybody had a Tico sighting recently? I ran into PMC at the Phish shows in Boston last year. He is only on Instagram now. Good memories!
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#27 Post by Andrew Kotowski » October 14th, 2020, 3:23 pm

Adam Noble wrote:
October 11th, 2020, 8:08 am
Kris Patten wrote:
October 11th, 2020, 7:52 am
Mike Maguire wrote:
October 10th, 2020, 8:21 pm
I heard there will be very little 20 and 23 released this year.On the upside there will be more rye to be had, as always if you can find it.
That's funny, if there was 100% more Rye than 2019, we'd get 12 bottles.

If there was 50% less 20 and 23 we'd get 10x the Rye.
However much they make, I’m confident I will get the same number of each I did last year-zero. I did see a bottle each of the 23 and the 15 at a store raffle last December though. I just didn’t get a high enough draw to nab one. On the other hand I did get a bottle of GTS for around $250 so that didn’t suck.
GTS for $250 is a STEAL. I'm almost done with my bottle... and I'm not sharing with you now :D

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#28 Post by Adam Noble » October 14th, 2020, 6:25 pm

Probably over a grand. White Center has the ETL100 for $900 last year.

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#29 Post by Kris Patten » October 15th, 2020, 7:34 pm

Adam Noble wrote:
October 14th, 2020, 6:25 pm
Probably over a grand. White Center has the ETL100 for $900 last year.
I'll sell you one ETL 100 for $800 or 2 for $1599. [smileyvault-ban.gif]
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#30 Post by Adam Noble » October 15th, 2020, 8:33 pm

Kris Patten wrote:
October 15th, 2020, 7:34 pm
Adam Noble wrote:
October 14th, 2020, 6:25 pm
Probably over a grand. White Center has the ETL100 for $900 last year.
I'll sell you one ETL 100 for $800 or 2 for $1599. [smileyvault-ban.gif]
I saw one offered for $500 today on secondary. Will you offer me the same $100 discount? [smileyvault-ban.gif]

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#31 Post by Mike Maguire » October 15th, 2020, 9:49 pm

Adam Noble wrote:
October 15th, 2020, 8:33 pm
Kris Patten wrote:
October 15th, 2020, 7:34 pm
Adam Noble wrote:
October 14th, 2020, 6:25 pm
Probably over a grand. White Center has the ETL100 for $900 last year.
I'll sell you one ETL 100 for $800 or 2 for $1599. [smileyvault-ban.gif]
I saw one offered for $500 today on secondary. Will you offer me the same $100 discount? [smileyvault-ban.gif]
I saw these at a store in Chicago last year for $299, I guess I should have bought a few.Anything special about what’s in the bottle?I have several of the regular label that I bought years ago for sub 40

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#32 Post by Adam Noble » October 15th, 2020, 10:25 pm

I haven’t tried it myself but I heard it’s better. It’s not $450 or $850 better for sure at least to me. I like ELT a lot but it’s going for $200 on secondary now and I don’t think it’s worth it. If I find it for $50 I’ll buy multiples to drink. I like RHF even more but it’s up to $250 or $275 secondary. I have a couple of unopened of each in reserve now from past purchases when they were closer to $100 but I’d sure like to find some at retail someday.

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#33 Post by Mike Maguire » October 16th, 2020, 6:07 am

I haven’t seen RHF in the wild for years, I have a few in the bunker as well from at least 10 yrs ago.One of the coolest bottles going.

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#34 Post by Kris Patten » October 16th, 2020, 6:39 am

Adam Noble wrote:
October 15th, 2020, 8:33 pm
Kris Patten wrote:
October 15th, 2020, 7:34 pm
Adam Noble wrote:
October 14th, 2020, 6:25 pm
Probably over a grand. White Center has the ETL100 for $900 last year.
I'll sell you one ETL 100 for $800 or 2 for $1599. [smileyvault-ban.gif]
I saw one offered for $500 today on secondary. Will you offer me the same $100 discount? [smileyvault-ban.gif]
More likely I just pour you a flask again and drop it off!
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#35 Post by Adam Noble » October 16th, 2020, 6:56 am

Kris Patten wrote:
October 16th, 2020, 6:39 am
Adam Noble wrote:
October 15th, 2020, 8:33 pm
Kris Patten wrote:
October 15th, 2020, 7:34 pm


I'll sell you one ETL 100 for $800 or 2 for $1599. [smileyvault-ban.gif]
I saw one offered for $500 today on secondary. Will you offer me the same $100 discount? [smileyvault-ban.gif]
More likely I just pour you a flask again and drop it off!
Either would be acceptable. To be clear, neither would also be completely acceptable. I’m not hurting for bourbon inventory. I do wish I could curb my FOMO inclinations and be satisfied with drinking BT exclusively. Not wish hard mind you, but it would make things easier.

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#36 Post by Kris Patten » October 16th, 2020, 7:19 am

Adam Noble wrote:
October 16th, 2020, 6:56 am
Kris Patten wrote:
October 16th, 2020, 6:39 am
Adam Noble wrote:
October 15th, 2020, 8:33 pm


I saw one offered for $500 today on secondary. Will you offer me the same $100 discount? [smileyvault-ban.gif]
More likely I just pour you a flask again and drop it off!
Either would be acceptable. To be clear, neither would also be completely acceptable. I’m not hurting for bourbon inventory. I do wish I could curb my FOMO inclinations and be satisfied with drinking BT exclusively. Not wish hard mind you, but it would make things easier.
As someone with access to a lot of Bourbon, I have the same FOMO, I always want 1 bottle, just to try, so I don't regret it down the road. My current FOMO exists around EH Taylor 18yr Marriage, 4R SBS LE, 4R Cask Strength Single Barrel selections, among others.
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#37 Post by Adam Noble » October 16th, 2020, 8:18 am

Kris Patten wrote:
October 16th, 2020, 7:19 am
Adam Noble wrote:
October 16th, 2020, 6:56 am
Kris Patten wrote:
October 16th, 2020, 6:39 am


More likely I just pour you a flask again and drop it off!
Either would be acceptable. To be clear, neither would also be completely acceptable. I’m not hurting for bourbon inventory. I do wish I could curb my FOMO inclinations and be satisfied with drinking BT exclusively. Not wish hard mind you, but it would make things easier.
As someone with access to a lot of Bourbon, I have the same FOMO, I always want 1 bottle, just to try, so I don't regret it down the road. My current FOMO exists around EH Taylor 18yr Marriage, 4R SBS LE, 4R Cask Strength Single Barrel selections, among others.
Those would be great to find, but my sights were set a little lower with Michters Toasted Barrel Rye most recently. Didn’t find any. Oh, and Old Forester 150. Also failed.

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#38 Post by Kris Patten » October 16th, 2020, 9:26 am

Adam Noble wrote:
October 16th, 2020, 8:18 am
Kris Patten wrote:
October 16th, 2020, 7:19 am
Adam Noble wrote:
October 16th, 2020, 6:56 am

Either would be acceptable. To be clear, neither would also be completely acceptable. I’m not hurting for bourbon inventory. I do wish I could curb my FOMO inclinations and be satisfied with drinking BT exclusively. Not wish hard mind you, but it would make things easier.
As someone with access to a lot of Bourbon, I have the same FOMO, I always want 1 bottle, just to try, so I don't regret it down the road. My current FOMO exists around EH Taylor 18yr Marriage, 4R SBS LE, 4R Cask Strength Single Barrel selections, among others.
Those would be great to find, but my sights were set a little lower with Michters Toasted Barrel Rye most recently. Didn’t find any. Oh, and Old Forester 150. Also failed.
OF 150 is on my list too, only 15 or so cases make it to WA. Good luck.
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#39 Post by Mike Maguire » October 16th, 2020, 7:19 pm

Rumor has it that somebody scored 4R Le at total wine in Issaquah.

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#40 Post by Andrew Kotowski » October 16th, 2020, 7:31 pm

The Elmer T Lee is gone from BevMos in the area; I think Adam had to have rolled Eastside and scooped me :)
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#41 Post by Adam Noble » October 16th, 2020, 7:42 pm

Andrew Kotowski wrote:
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The Elmer T Lee is gone from BevMos in the area; I think Adam had to have rolled Eastside and scooped me :)
I haven’t left the house today. I got nothing. Though I am picking up some Bomberger and Shenks tomorrow from a friend who got some for me.

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#42 Post by Chris S p i k e s » October 17th, 2020, 9:01 am

Kris Patten wrote:
October 10th, 2020, 5:51 pm
Funny to see price complaints here vs. now.
Funny to see this thread revived as I was just having this discussion over dinner last night with a friend. I was explaining how 'back in the day' I thought bourbon prices had become ridiculous when Pappy 20 passed over the $120 mark and I decided to stop buying because I wasn't going to feed into the stupidity. Fortunately, I'm a slow bourbon drinker so I still have 3.5 bottles of the original left to enjoy over the next 20 years. And, since this movement doesn't show any real signs of abating, that will probably be it for my relationship with Pappy. That's especially true since the original water is all gone anyway.

I also suspect that the science of dialing in a perfect taste is going to get better and better for spirits like bourbon to the point that if you only care about the taste and not the label, it will be replicated in non-traditional ways. Therefore, the labels will become the collector's items, not the actual spirit. We're probably already there on that last point.

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