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#1 Post by Todd F r e n c h » April 25th, 2009, 8:17 am

Yes, we've got a Wine Pimps forum, thanks to the brilliant insight of our very own Maoderator Melissa 'The Scarf' McCall!

Pimps (retailers), feel free to post your rants, questions, requests for advice, etc.

'Hos (consumers, especially Charlie Fu), feel free to post questions about buying, shipping, storage, distribution, or whatever tickles your wine-buying fancy.

Enjoy, and be safe!
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#2 Post by Jack Bulkin » April 25th, 2009, 8:30 am

Pimps and Ho's???
Is this a second NSFW topic??
An article in the “Journal of Psychiatry” will use wine blogs as a resource for studying megalomania. “Wine bloggers,” the authors say, “ exhibit the classic signs of megalomania—an unshakable belief in their importance mixed with the conviction that they and their opinions are special and powerful despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary.”

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#3 Post by Todd F r e n c h » April 25th, 2009, 8:45 am

Jack Bulkin wrote:Pimps and Ho's???
Is this a second NSFW topic??
Apparently I'm lazy, have a narrow agenda, and offer little in the way of content and substance (RMP) (and have a "penchant for gossip" -KBI)

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#4 Post by Jack Bulkin » April 25th, 2009, 8:48 am

Todd F r e n c h wrote:
Jack Bulkin wrote:Pimps and Ho's???
Is this a second NSFW topic??
Nice mimbo err, Toddles.
An article in the “Journal of Psychiatry” will use wine blogs as a resource for studying megalomania. “Wine bloggers,” the authors say, “ exhibit the classic signs of megalomania—an unshakable belief in their importance mixed with the conviction that they and their opinions are special and powerful despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary.”

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#5 Post by M. M c C a l l » April 25th, 2009, 9:27 am

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#6 Post by Roberto Rogness » April 25th, 2009, 10:35 am

One last thought: Have any of you ever considered sending an invoice to one of your distributors for "staff training" after you explained for a half hour (with charts, maps and twenty seven eight-by-ten colour glossy photographs with circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one explaining what each one was*) to the person trying to sell you something just what that thing actually was and why what they told them in the sales meeting was complete crap?









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#7 Post by Mary Baker » April 25th, 2009, 11:15 am

Great idea, Mel and Todd! I hope we get lots of retailer-specific action. [cheers.gif]

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#8 Post by Randy Bowman » April 25th, 2009, 11:51 am

Why did we choose the name Wine Pimps??
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IN THE BUSINESS SHILL: An associate of a person selling goods, who pretends no association to the seller and assumes the air of an enthusiastic customer.

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#9 Post by Peter Tryba » April 25th, 2009, 12:09 pm

I don't mind being called a pimp. It's a step up!
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#10 Post by Nancy Dolce » April 25th, 2009, 12:13 pm

Peter Tryba wrote:I don't mind being called a pimp. It's a step up!
No one asked if we consumers mind being called 'hos! [help.gif]
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#11 Post by Jack Bulkin » April 25th, 2009, 1:08 pm

Nancy Dolce wrote:
Peter Tryba wrote:I don't mind being called a pimp. It's a step up!
No one asked if we consumers mind being called 'hos! [help.gif]
Look at it this way nancy. At least the young uns haven't referred to us as some old hos. [foilhat.gif]
An article in the “Journal of Psychiatry” will use wine blogs as a resource for studying megalomania. “Wine bloggers,” the authors say, “ exhibit the classic signs of megalomania—an unshakable belief in their importance mixed with the conviction that they and their opinions are special and powerful despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary.”

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#12 Post by Ken V » April 25th, 2009, 1:15 pm

Roberto Rogness wrote:*If you got that joke you are OLD.....
Or you listen to the radio on Thanksgiving morning. (In my case though, I am that old.)
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#13 Post by c fu » April 25th, 2009, 4:53 pm

i wish someone would pay me to buy wine.
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#14 Post by Rick Smith » April 25th, 2009, 5:19 pm

Jack Bulkin wrote:
Nancy Dolce wrote:
Peter Tryba wrote:I don't mind being called a pimp. It's a step up!
No one asked if we consumers mind being called 'hos! [help.gif]
Look at it this way nancy. At least the young uns haven't referred to us as some old hos. [foilhat.gif]
Yet... [d_training.gif]

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#15 Post by Nancy Dolce » April 25th, 2009, 5:46 pm

Jack Bulkin wrote:
Nancy Dolce wrote:
Peter Tryba wrote:I don't mind being called a pimp. It's a step up!
No one asked if we consumers mind being called 'hos! [help.gif]
Look at it this way nancy. At least the young uns haven't referred to us as some old hos. [foilhat.gif]
True, Jack. Only we know just how old we is! [whistle2.gif]
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#16 Post by Daniel Posner » April 28th, 2009, 8:08 am

On the Parker board, I cannot even list where I work.

Quite amazing the refreshing change over here.
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#17 Post by zachary l a n g » April 28th, 2009, 10:25 am

Glad you're enjoying it. Please always feel free to send us feedback if there is something you like, dislike, etc.

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#18 Post by Cris Whetstone » April 28th, 2009, 10:34 am

Daniel Posner wrote:On the Parker board, I cannot even list where I work.

Quite amazing the refreshing change over here.
Do you mean to suggest someone selling wine may have something to contribute to a wine board?
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#19 Post by Michel Abood » April 28th, 2009, 12:11 pm

Daniel Posner wrote:On the Parker board, I cannot even list where I work.

Quite amazing the refreshing change over here.
Agreed. The moment I put a link to my blog, which has about 50/50 to do with my work, Squires shut me down. WTF? I think we're all big boys and can figure it out when someone's shilling.

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#20 Post by Michael Bowden » May 1st, 2009, 10:39 am

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It's Michael.....not Mike, Mark, Mick, Mikey...get it? got it? good.

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#21 Post by Taylor Senatore » May 3rd, 2009, 12:08 pm

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#22 Post by M. M c C a l l » May 3rd, 2009, 10:03 pm

Nice, Taylor! Move that over to the left a couple of inches; that's a killer avatar!
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#23 Post by Daniel Posner » May 4th, 2009, 7:05 am

Cris Whetstone wrote:
Daniel Posner wrote:On the Parker board, I cannot even list where I work.

Quite amazing the refreshing change over here.
Do you mean to suggest someone selling wine may have something to contribute to a wine board?
Depends on who you ask!
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#24 Post by Max Marinucci » May 29th, 2009, 10:01 am

Can't believe I've just noticed this little nook here....Frenchie is THE man!

Long live the pimps! At least now we can give some advice and not be afraid to say the wrong thing. How refreshing and unique!
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#25 Post by Jorge Henriquez » May 29th, 2009, 10:20 am

P. Robert wrote:No banishment in this house
Unless you start hawking crap like this

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#26 Post by Michael Bowden » May 29th, 2009, 10:58 am

Jorge Henriquez wrote:
P. Robert wrote:No banishment in this house
Unless you start hawking crap like this

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Nice...in split size...my favorite format.
I'm taller than Zach Lang.

It's Michael.....not Mike, Mark, Mick, Mikey...get it? got it? good.

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#27 Post by Daniel Posner » May 29th, 2009, 1:28 pm

"It looks so much bigger up close"- [rofl.gif]
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#28 Post by Todd F r e n c h » May 31st, 2009, 12:00 pm

Michael Bowden wrote:
Jorge Henriquez wrote:
P. Robert wrote:No banishment in this house
Unless you start hawking crap like this

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Nice...in split size...my favorite format.
Good for offlines.
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#29 Post by chaad thomas » June 2nd, 2009, 9:05 pm

Roberto Rogness wrote:One last thought: Have any of you ever considered sending an invoice to one of your distributors for "staff training" after you explained for a half hour (with charts, maps and twenty seven eight-by-ten colour glossy photographs with circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one explaining what each one was*) to the person trying to sell you something just what that thing actually was and why what they told them in the sales meeting was complete crap?









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#30 Post by Nancy Dolce » June 2nd, 2009, 10:35 pm

Daniel Posner wrote:On the Parker board, I cannot even list where I work.

Quite amazing the refreshing change over here.
Yeah, but you have my old avatar. Wanna fight? Love the Jets in good and bad times.

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#31 Post by Dave Erickson » January 11th, 2010, 5:34 pm

M. M c C a l l wrote:Todd's a sweet boy from the midwest. The customers are johns.
Ahem. She's right, you know. Ho's work for Pimps. As we all know, that is the exact opposite of the situation. Retailers work for customers. So "Pimps and 'Hos" may sound like it has a lot of Street Cred zing, but in fact, it shows you to be absurdly un-hip and out of it. Which you don't want, especially since the idea of a place for us bottle-pushers to vent is really great, it's why I signed up for this BBS. So fix it awready. Have a contest to re-name it, or something.

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#32 Post by M.Silver » March 3rd, 2013, 5:38 am

"Please allow me to introduce myself, I am a man of wealth and taste...." I also ran what was the Greastest Wine Store on Earth during the 1990's. Thats not a brag, its what importers from around the world would say as soon as they walked in the door. Its what Julia Child, Kermit Lynch, and those pesky wine writers said. It was for me the capping of a run in the wine world that started in 1979 and went until 1999. My name was different then." So can you tell me, can you guess my name?" I like the name of this Site by the way. I had started wine pirates long ago, and I always felt this industry needs more beserkers and less sheep.

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#33 Post by Ken V » March 3rd, 2013, 2:09 pm

M.Silver wrote:"Please allow me to introduce myself, I am a man of wealth and taste...." I also ran what was the Greastest Wine Store on Earth during the 1990's. Thats not a brag, its what importers from around the world would say as soon as they walked in the door. Its what Julia Child, Kermit Lynch, and those pesky wine writers said. It was for me the capping of a run in the wine world that started in 1979 and went until 1999. My name was different then." So can you tell me, can you guess my name?" I like the name of this Site by the way. I had started wine pirates long ago, and I always felt this industry needs more beserkers and less sheep.
Interesting post, Mike, Mark, Melvin?

Was this the store formerly known as Big Y wines? I won't claim to have visited every store in the world, but in the late 80s and early 90s, that was the best store I ever saw.
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#34 Post by M.Silver » March 3rd, 2013, 3:54 pm

Real name Macaylla: Gaelic; Child of Fire Also break the name down Macal La . Michael Law, Big Y Wines from 1988 to 1998. Thanx for the complement Ken. It really was the right place, at the right time. It was a google of your previous post (and Gordons high fiction of Big Y/Town and Country evolution that brought me here. This is the future, sites like this.

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#35 Post by Ken V » March 3rd, 2013, 5:55 pm

I remember you, Michael! Good to hear you are well. Welcome to Berserkers!!! Who was the guy who handled Italian wines at Big Y for a while? I recall that he left to be a distributor's rep in Mass, but can't remember his name.
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#36 Post by M.Silver » March 4th, 2013, 4:51 am

I really should write a book about the stores rise and fall! The cast alone would be worthy of Shakespeare! The stores "buying' in its glory years was done by a number of different people. As you know Gordon handled Burgundy, Alsace and Germany, Dawn Kessel handled the Magnum wall, and I handled the rest of the world. Accept one section, where a man I found at the bottle return station on the beer side of the store turned out to be a highly educated (published in the Nation mind you) man who had an interest in Italian wines. His name was Larry Basset, who left to become a salesman for one of the liquor/wine companies. He was cranky, sometimes a little sour, but he was a man of high ethical standards and was very good at sales. The warehouse giant by the way was a friend of mine I had met at a gym. Any guys who lift weights for fun make great stock clerks. Charming , funny man who went on to be a General Practitioner in Montreal. Both left before I did, and before a modern reenactment of Julius Caesar took place.... but that's another story!

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#37 Post by Ken V » March 4th, 2013, 8:36 am

Larry Basset. That's the man! His first name came back to me last night, but not his last. Very smart guy. The Warehouse Giant was a legend by the time I was a regular there. I never met him. Dawn came a bit later as I recall. Nothing was the same after you left. The new guy came in with big talk about making the place better, but did not.

Now it is an office max or CVS or something?

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#38 Post by M.Silver » March 4th, 2013, 3:28 pm

As I mentioned before, its a tale similiar to Julius Caesar. Gordon played Brutus, who as in the play, does not have a good end. I thought the name 'Big Y Wines" was honest, it connected with the history of the place. Gordon wanted a store that was a gourmet supply house. While my personal life was changing I made the mistake of thinking the crew I had assembled were trusted friends. Gordon, Dawn turned out to be otherwise, but I won't go into the details.Suffice to say that after 10 years of hard work I was "asked" to resign. Gordon stepped into my shoes, and tried to turn the wine store into "Table and Vine". While he was a very good salesperson, he had, in the words of Don D'Amour, "no follow through". He was locked out of his own office and his entire staff was interviewed by security. Indeed, he "moved on". After the Grocery boys brought in a nameless twit who quickly met the same fate. Now heres the part few know about: I phoned Don D'amour, owner of Big Y, and told him Paul Provost, a very good wine retailer should be considered for the job. Don thought he was happy, I knew where he was, and that he wasn't. He was offered a very good contract, and in order to justify is salary, they bought our biggest competitor down in Springfield. Unfortunately, that was like the Red Socks buying the Yankees. When things settled down, Paul, and then Mike Quinlan (someone I taught about wine) took a business and with the help of the grocery store, turned it into something far too normal. Big still, good still, but not as good. They would have fired me a thousand times before I would work in a place that blared Debbie Boone over the speakers, which greeted me, one of the few times I visited Tand V. Nobody came to help. There was nothing open in back. Things rise, things fall. I had a great time running Big Y Wines, and "its good to be king, if just for a while". I know nothing will compare with bringing someone in back who was just starting to learn, after a millionaire client left an open bottle of La Tache, sitting on the table. "Here .....try this...I think you will like it."

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#39 Post by Ken V » March 10th, 2013, 12:18 pm

I'm sorry to hear that. I guess I wasn't paying that much attention at that time. I thought you had just chosen to leave and then they brought in Paul, then things went downhill.

We all have had the experience of liking a couple very much, then they get a divorce. There are things one may just be better off not knowing. Best wishes to you, Macaylla.
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#40 Post by M.Silver » March 13th, 2013, 6:15 am

Sorry Ken I didn't get back to this sooner...I came here (by a google search) and was glad to see some old friends. What I really wanted to find was a site that I could build an idea on, similiar to our wine store. Its one thing to make your store comforting for wine lovers. It was really hard to get the big Fish...the many many people out there that walk into a wineshop and worry that if they say "white zin?" They will be laughed at.
This bit of information I will tell you is worth knowing: and I say it publicly: I had gender issues. No I didn't want to become "Mrs. Doubtfire", but I had life long issues. In 1999 when the staff found out they betrayed me by "warning" the company that I was going to walk in soon wearing a dress. Never happened, nor would I, having two small children at the time, let it happen. So in a plot of betrayal and lies, I was forced to "resign". I have a very strong code of conduct: I did not fight, lie or sue to get out of it. My boss, who paid me for my time, can also fire me if he deems so. I left. Life became hard for a few years,but I recovered and things got better than ever. All four parents helped raise the kids and they have turned out wonderful. Life is very good. And my second wife is just as beautiful by the way! I hope your life and interest in wine can be so as well.
I will continue to work on the idea of a wine information center that is based on the principles of learning and understanding. Too many trolls (in Burgundy no less!) than any neophyte could take. Fun place for an old hack like me (with a bullet proof ego) but I think I will move on, in fact I am sure of it. Gordon, even though I may think he is a scoundrel, is running a small shop called "provisions" in Northampton. Stop by if you are in the area. I can be found pretty easy through Goggle. If you want to see what I was up to here read "When to drink Burgundy" In wine talk, post 42. See you someday! M

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#41 Post by Ken V » March 13th, 2013, 7:30 am

That's bizarre considering that Gordon and Dawn were both openly gay.
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Re: Welcome, pimps and 'hos!

#42 Post by M.Silver » March 13th, 2013, 6:02 pm

At the time, the law protected them. In fact, I had gone to defend Gordon on ocassion when he felt threatened. Dawn actually thought "no one knows" about her. She had lost a job years earlier because of it, and said to me (in her defense of spilling to the main office) that she didn't "want too be in the spotlight again". Its sad, but true. I felt like Julius Caesar. The law was on Gordons side at the time; 10 years later it would be on mine as well. "Beware the Ides". Gordon really was also tired of playing second fiddle (like Nero!) so he saw it as his chance to move up. I look at the history this way: Before me at the store Joe and Paul M got the store to almost adulthood, with Paul M's recklessness like a teenager with a sports car. I brought it into adulthood..20s and 30s... and Paul P. and Mike Q retired it into a quiet middle age. Gordon was just the mid-life crisis. My one regret? I cannot think of one now. As S.G. Collete would say "its no ones job to make you happy....so get busy!"

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Re: Welcome, pimps and 'hos!

#43 Post by KimyettaH » November 13th, 2014, 2:57 pm

love it!
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Re: Welcome, pimps and 'hos!

#44 Post by Frank_Hayden » March 4th, 2019, 1:33 pm

What's the best way to value your wines? Mostly for insurance purposes. I have Screaming Eagle, SQN, and many more that I need to insure.

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