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#1 Post by C. Bowman » February 8th, 2016, 7:49 pm

We have customers that purchase wines a couple 2-3 times a week and don't want to spend a lot but enjoy everyday drinkers that aren't grocery store wines.. One of our reasonably priced pinots that was a go to for many of our budget minded customers has changed (long story) and we're looking for something that will retail in the $17-$20 range from CA that is not mass produced. I know it's a lot to ask.

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#3 Post by Mike Cohen » February 8th, 2016, 8:32 pm

I think the Au Bon Climat Santa Barbara provides a very good value in that price range.

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#4 Post by Michael Davidson » February 8th, 2016, 8:44 pm

Agreed on the ABC.

I bet Siduri has something in that range too.

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#5 Post by Marc_Hanes » February 9th, 2016, 5:23 pm

I have the New Jersey pricing distortion field effect going on but these come to mind...

Calera Central Coast
Laetitia Estate Arroyo Grande
Tarrica Monterey
Au Bon Climat SBC
Byron Santa Maria Valley
Napa Cellars [not a fan myself but it sells]

Domestic Pinot Noir is not something I consume a lot of at any price point so sorry i could not help more. In such situations I usually spend some time perusing other wine stores' websites for ideas.
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#6 Post by C. Bowman » February 9th, 2016, 6:29 pm

Thank you all for the suggestions.
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#7 Post by PeterJ » February 9th, 2016, 6:58 pm

Luli? The Pisoni family makes some really reliable Pinot.
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#8 Post by Craig G » February 9th, 2016, 7:16 pm

I like ABC and Navarro in this price range, but I also think the bump up to their La Bauge and L'Ancienne is well worth it. These are all for AFWE-inclined patriots.
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#9 Post by Randy Bowman » February 9th, 2016, 7:19 pm

PeterJ wrote:Luli? The Pisoni family makes some really reliable Pinot.
Luli is already a staple here in Pinot, Rose and Syrah, but the Pinot is $19.99 but we need a backup. And believe it or not, there are people who believe we should have a top 100 Pinot for under $17.
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#10 Post by PeterH » February 9th, 2016, 8:36 pm

Is Oregon eligible?
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#11 Post by Randy Bowman » February 9th, 2016, 8:44 pm

PeterH wrote:Is Oregon eligible?
Brooks Runaway Red, Broadley, Evesham Wood, McKinlay, and many more.

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We have a fair number of Oregon Pinots with Sharecroppers and Point North at the lower end of pricing. Maybe Carrie should have mentioned that the bulk of walk in customers looking for pinots in the 17 to 20 range want wines with prominent fruit flavors. Unfortunately, Oregon is less consistent with wine styles because of weather extremes.
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#12 Post by Nolan E » February 9th, 2016, 9:16 pm

Meiomi.

I hear it's better than DRC.
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#13 Post by Thomas Keim » February 11th, 2016, 10:40 am

The problem with under $20 Pinots is the inconsistency from vintage to vintage -

Here are a couple that I have had good luck with on the retail level -

HAHN VINEYARDS - '13 SLH Vineyard Pinot - should be around a $20 retail - gets amazing press every year (which as you know is a selling point) - and I don"t think they are in the grocery stores.

BANSHEE WINES - a new, negociant style biz from Sonoma, they have a second label called Rickshaw that's really fun - and the Pinot would sell in the $15 range - I've really liked the last three vintages -

FOSSIL POINT - A newer label out of Edna Valley, a bigger styled Pinot - and the '13 is absolutely delicious - should retail in the $16 range in California -

One more thing - I would occasionally scan Southern's closeout lists - they are pretty heavy in New Zealand Pinots, have no idea how to sell them, and there are usually 2-3 on their closeout lists at a time for less than half of wholesale pricing. Worth checking out -
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#14 Post by k i r k_crow » February 11th, 2016, 3:38 pm

Banshee is a very nice call in that price point, both pinot and chard

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#15 Post by Drew Goin » February 11th, 2016, 4:10 pm

Thomas Keim wrote:The problem with under $20 Pinots is the inconsistency from vintage to vintage -
I agree with this statement 100%!

When I was working in retail, Pinot Noir was always a moving target. One year, Fetzer's Five Rivers PN was decent. Another year, M.Trinchero's multi-appellation PN was a drinker. Then there was the first Bogle RRV PN (not to my tastes but sell-worthy), Wyndham Estate Bin ### PN (carbonic Aussie Kool-Aid), etc.

Admittedly, this is Louisiana, so the options were limited. The point is just as Mr Keim said.

One year, you get a decent wine. Then, the production doubles overnight, fruit sources change, and the price climbs. The search for a bargain PN is, in my opinion, hardly worthwhile. There are so many other affordable options for bargain Wednesday Night Wines, and Pinot is just a different breed, usually requiring a higher price for a "baseline" model.

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#16 Post by Randy Bowman » February 11th, 2016, 8:46 pm

Tonight we and one of our most trusted customers tried 4 Pinots, one Russian River, two Santa Lucia/Santa Barbara area and one Willamette, suggested here or by others. ABV varies from 13.2 to 15.3.

In my opinion, none were the equivalent of the wine they are to replace. Caveat, the wine it has to replace was pretty big, saturated, with a very long finish.

Two of the wines were pretty good in their own right. The best of the bunch was the Au Bon Climat, which is improving with time. The acidity cried for smoked Gouda which fortunately was on hand and it is the only bottle that will not survive the evening unless more thirsty customers come in.
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#17 Post by Bruce Leiser_owitz » February 12th, 2016, 5:24 am

What happened to the Sean Minor you recommended to me a while back?

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#18 Post by C. Bowman » February 12th, 2016, 8:47 pm

Bruce,
They are now blending it with Sonoma fruit to expand production and calling it Sonoma Coast. The result is a lighter and different pinot and I have not ordered, hence the looking for something to fill the void.
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#19 Post by M A T T H A R T L E Y » February 13th, 2016, 7:49 am

We do a lot of business with Banshee folks - so I'll second that opinion.
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#20 Post by Bruce Leiser_owitz » February 13th, 2016, 9:22 am

C. Bowman wrote:Bruce,
They are now blending it with Sonoma fruit to expand production and calling it Sonoma Coast. The result is a lighter and different pinot and I have not ordered, hence the looking for something to fill the void.
If you can cast a magic spell on toads, can't you do the same thing with Sean Minor Pinot Noir? [stirthepothal.gif]

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#21 Post by M. Ibis » March 21st, 2016, 8:34 pm

I find it very difficult to manage pinot noir expectations under $20, but I'll often recommend A to Z pn. In the $20 to $30 range I like Elk Cove. It used to be under $20, but folks have caught on...

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#22 Post by mmeisner » March 25th, 2016, 3:49 pm

Calera makes great stuff.

I'll throw a mention to my friend Alison Crowe, who makes the Garnet pinots. They have a Monterey Coast, Sonoma Coast, and Rogers Creek Single vineyard at $15, $20, and $30 respectively. They have always over-delivered in quality.

Black Pine is another sub-$20 option that seems to be pretty popular.
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#23 Post by Alan Eden » March 26th, 2016, 12:44 am

Randy Bowman wrote:
PeterJ wrote:Luli? The Pisoni family makes some really reliable Pinot.
Luli is already a staple here in Pinot, Rose and Syrah, but the Pinot is $19.99 but we need a backup. And believe it or not, there are people who believe we should have a top 100 Pinot for under $17.
Lulu is the rose, the cheapest Pisoni pinot is i believe now $45 or $50, it is a great pinot though. Their estate pinot does not get the credit it deserves as one of California's great wines
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#24 Post by C. Bowman » March 26th, 2016, 1:19 pm

Alan Eden wrote:
Randy Bowman wrote:
PeterJ wrote:Luli? The Pisoni family makes some really reliable Pinot.
Luli is already a staple here in Pinot, Rose and Syrah, but the Pinot is $19.99 but we need a backup. And believe it or not, there are people who believe we should have a top 100 Pinot for under $17.
Lulu is the rose, the cheapest Pisoni pinot is i believe now $45 or $50, it is a great pinot though. Their estate pinot does not get the credit it deserves as one of California's great wines
Alan,
Luli is a collaboration between the Pisoni family and Master Somm Sara Floyd. They make Pinot, Syrah, Rose, Chardonnay and Sauv Blanc from in and around SLH. Jeff Pisoni is the winemaker. They are all good wines and great values. Not comparing them to the level of the Pisoni estate Pinot but Luli fits for more budget minded consumers.
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#25 Post by Alan Eden » March 26th, 2016, 11:05 pm

Carrie

Thanks, that is good new info. must admit i thought Luli was just a typo
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#26 Post by Richard Moreland » March 31st, 2016, 12:39 pm

The Artesa PN Carneros was recommended to me recently by a friend, and I was able to pick it up at Costco for $18. Very good, though I thought there was a little something blended in to carry the mid-palate; but there was nothing off-putting about it at all.

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#27 Post by brianmcbrearty » May 21st, 2016, 6:38 pm

I too immediately thought Banshee, but then I saw that you were looking all the way down around 17-20 bucks. Which I'm guessing really means nothing with a "two" out front. Banshee is more of a 22-25. No experience with their second label... didn't know it existed.

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#28 Post by Brian Zamkotowicz » October 18th, 2016, 10:35 am

Pali's entry level wine makes it down to about $18 in NJ, and sounds like it fits the bill. Also probably get lambasted for this, and I'm guessing you were looking for something more "artisinal," but La Crema is from CA, in this price range, and very consistent.

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#29 Post by Scott Butler » October 19th, 2016, 4:37 pm

Mike Cohen wrote:I think the Au Bon Climat Santa Barbara provides a very good value in that price range.
I took this to a Pinot tasting last week and it was in the top 3, beat out a Melville and some other $40-50 wines.
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#30 Post by Karl K » November 15th, 2016, 6:17 pm

2013 Siduri Willamette (know it's not CA) can be had for $30 or under retail in most places. Got that Siduri name.

Found some 2012 Ch. de Puligny Montrachet Monthelie at a good price which would retail at $30, too. Again, not quite what you were asking for but a good choice, representing the more general point of combing through wholesalers' catalogues to see what back (I know 2012 is not really back, but it's not the current vintage) vintages they have and seeing what kind of deal you can get/make.
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#31 Post by C. Bowman » November 15th, 2016, 7:55 pm

Thanks for the input. I'll check out some of the suggestions..
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#32 Post by C Chen » December 6th, 2016, 12:36 pm

Scott Butler wrote:
Mike Cohen wrote:I think the Au Bon Climat Santa Barbara provides a very good value in that price range.
I took this to a Pinot tasting last week and it was in the top 3, beat out a Melville and some other $40-50 wines.
ABC produces some really interesting and tasty Pinot-- took me by surprise! Grabbed a few bottles at Costco for under just under $22 each :) Highly recommend it.
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#33 Post by k i r k_crow » January 11th, 2017, 3:42 pm

drank a couple of '14 Hahn SLH Pinot last week. paid 19.99 for them. good wines.

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#34 Post by Evan Pontoriero » January 11th, 2017, 6:30 pm

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#35 Post by Todd Hamina » January 11th, 2017, 7:07 pm

Randy Bowman wrote:
PeterH wrote:Is Oregon eligible?
Brooks Runaway Red, Broadley, Evesham Wood, McKinlay, and many more.

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We have a fair number of Oregon Pinots with Sharecroppers and Point North at the lower end of pricing. Maybe Carrie should have mentioned that the bulk of walk in customers looking for pinots in the 17 to 20 range want wines with prominent fruit flavors. Unfortunately, Oregon is less consistent with wine styles because of weather extremes.
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#36 Post by Stephanie Rivin » January 25th, 2017, 3:07 pm

Mary Elke from the Anderson Valley has lovely Pinot Noir from Donnelly Creek Vineyard, and her Home Ranch. She has one she calls the "Boonville Barter" that she purposefully keeps at a low price point. She calls it Pinot for the People. Great lady, great wine
C. Bowman wrote:We have customers that purchase wines a couple 2-3 times a week and don't want to spend a lot but enjoy everyday drinkers that aren't grocery store wines.. One of our reasonably priced pinots that was a go to for many of our budget minded customers has changed (long story) and we're looking for something that will retail in the $17-$20 range from CA that is not mass produced. I know it's a lot to ask.

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#37 Post by C. Bowman » January 25th, 2017, 7:41 pm

Thanks Stephanie. I will look for it.
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#38 Post by Richard Leland » January 26th, 2017, 9:51 am

C. Bowman wrote:Thanks Stephanie. I will look for it.
Good wine and Mary is terrific. Revel represents her in NoCal.
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#39 Post by C. Bowman » January 28th, 2017, 7:32 pm

Richard Leland wrote:
C. Bowman wrote:Thanks Stephanie. I will look for it.
Good wine and Mary is terrific. Revel represents her in NoCal.
Thank you Richard. Makes finding their wines much easier :)
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#40 Post by Blake Brown » October 3rd, 2017, 8:35 am

Mike Cohen wrote:I think the Au Bon Climat Santa Barbara provides a very good value in that price range.
After reading the thread subject, my first and only thought was the ABC Santa Barbara County Pinot Noir. After thinking on it, the answer is still the same.
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#41 Post by Tony Jones » October 28th, 2017, 11:59 am

Check out Concannon out of Livermore. Great Pinot

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#42 Post by Michael Martin » October 28th, 2017, 3:13 pm

Not what you asked for, but thought I would offer it up just in case....
Aussie Marlborough Pinots. More mineral driven spicy red fruits. I’ve had a number of them from hard to find Whale Tail to Costco sourced Oyster Bay. Super weekday QPR Pinots.
I am also a big fan of Au Bon Climat.

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#43 Post by Kyle Whitney » October 29th, 2017, 1:28 am

I believe the Marlborough region is in New Zealand.

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#44 Post by Michael Martin » October 29th, 2017, 6:08 am

Kyle Whitney wrote:I believe the Marlborough region is in New Zealand.
Yes, sorry about that. My mistake.

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#45 Post by Anton D » November 15th, 2017, 12:22 am

I tasted one called "Carpe Diem," unrecollected recent vintage that might fit the bill.

Banshee and J have wines in that range.

J, I can't figure out. It is well done, but is muted, to me, but others like it. I'd be curious to see your opinion.

Hitching Post has some in your range.

I have a friend who has told me to look for "Field Recordings," but I am yet to try it.

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#46 Post by Adam Z A K K A » December 5th, 2017, 8:56 am

A to Z is a great Oregon Pinot Noir for mid teens.

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#47 Post by ssukhots » April 22nd, 2018, 3:08 pm

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#48 Post by Blake Brown » May 20th, 2018, 11:48 am

Blake Brown wrote:
Mike Cohen wrote:I think the Au Bon Climat Santa Barbara provides a very good value in that price range.
After reading the thread subject, my first and only thought was the ABC Santa Barbara County Pinot Noir. After thinking on it, the answer is still the same.
I've got one more for you: Gypsy Dancer, an OR winery with really nice, elegant Pinot Noirs. Their Legacy is consistently good, showing great out of the gate and the others including Christine`s Cuvee, Cuvee Romy and Tribute are exceptional.
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#49 Post by Randy Bowman » May 20th, 2018, 6:38 pm

Blake Brown wrote:
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Mike Cohen wrote:I think the Au Bon Climat Santa Barbara provides a very good value in that price range.
After reading the thread subject, my first and only thought was the ABC Santa Barbara County Pinot Noir. After thinking on it, the answer is still the same.
I've got one more for you: Gypsy Dancer, an OR winery with really nice, elegant Pinot Noirs. Their Legacy is consistently good, showing great out of the gate and the others including Christine`s Cuvee, Cuvee Romy and Tribute are exceptional.
Be checking in on Gypsy Dancer. [cheers.gif]
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#50 Post by PeterJ » May 20th, 2018, 8:02 pm

Gypsy Dancer is, indeed, a very nice Pinot. We sold a lot of it in our shop ten years ago. But I’ve never seen it in the $20 area. Of course “every day” means different things to different people.
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