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#51 Post by scamhi » March 7th, 2014, 7:30 am

M.Kaplan wrote:
scamhi wrote:look for Alice and Olivier De Moor's St Bris.
In a class by itself and about 1/2 of the Vatan Clos De Neore in price
I agree and drink it often in France, but I've never seen it for sale in the US. Am I looking in the wrong places?
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#52 Post by M.Kaplan » March 7th, 2014, 7:36 am

Guess I'll have to be more diligent and timely in tracking the Sauv Blanc at the places that sell De Moor's other wines. Thanks.
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#53 Post by Steve Nordhoff » March 7th, 2014, 7:40 am

Todd F r e n c h wrote:
Randy Bowman wrote: HL Two Old Dogs isn't as tart, with more white peach and pear flavors. Really love this one while grazing the cheese platter.
A great Sauvignon Blanc, for sure. Also, of course, Gamble's is absolutely insane.
Remind me next time to pull a Gamble PNV next time, amazing stuff.
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#54 Post by ky1em!ttskus » March 7th, 2014, 7:45 am

Sancerre, summer, and BBQ fish. Awesome.

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#55 Post by Steve Eisenhauer » March 7th, 2014, 9:20 am

I like it enough to have added one to my lineup. It sold quite well at a dinner in Charlotte last year, so I guess people do still drink it.
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#56 Post by Todd F r e n c h » March 7th, 2014, 9:20 am

Well, I guess the answer to the question posed is clearly no.
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#57 Post by Jay $$ Winton » March 7th, 2014, 9:24 am

Yes-old and new world as it's my wife's favorite grape. We had an excellent NZ SB-St. Claire in Curacao. Unfortunately, it doesn't appear to be available in the US.
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#58 Post by Scott E. » March 7th, 2014, 9:56 am

Merry Edwards, Quivet, Bedrock and sometimes Cliff Lede - love them chilled on a hot summer day. Don't really care for more grassy types though.
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#59 Post by Austin Fulk » March 7th, 2014, 10:02 am

Tom Lee wrote:Rochioli needs to be in this conversation.

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#60 Post by John Webber » March 7th, 2014, 10:06 am

I love balanced SB that is not too feral or overly ripe. I really want to try some of the Austrians mentioned here recently, but access to them in TX sucks.

Sancerre, White Bdx, HL Two Dogs, etc. all welcome in my home.

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#61 Post by H Wallace Jr » March 7th, 2014, 10:19 am

scamhi wrote:look for Alice and Olivier De Moor's St Bris.
In a class by itself and about 1/2 of the Vatan Clos De Neore in price
Yep.

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Scott- Based off of some other stuff you like, I think you would dig-
-Gamble Vineyard's "Heart Block" Sauvignon Blanc. It has great body, deep, incredible balance of acid, texture, and minerality. It sees some new wood.
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#62 Post by Roberto Rogness » March 7th, 2014, 10:20 am

W. Leonard wrote:Surprised no one has mentioned the many beautiful and rich Sauvignon Blancs that come out of Austria.

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#63 Post by Scott E. » March 7th, 2014, 1:55 pm

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scamhi wrote: Scott- Based off of some other stuff you like, I think you would dig-
-Gamble Vineyard's "Heart Block" Sauvignon Blanc. It has great body, deep, incredible balance of acid, texture, and minerality. It sees some new wood.
-Bedrock (always delicious)
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#64 Post by BrianMarshall » March 7th, 2014, 1:59 pm

I lost interest in SB a few years ago. I'd much rather a Chablis or white burg.
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#65 Post by Brian G r a f s t r o m » March 7th, 2014, 2:08 pm

Roberto Rogness wrote:
W. Leonard wrote:Surprised no one has mentioned the many beautiful and rich Sauvignon Blancs that come out of Austria.

And Friuli!
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#66 Post by Anton D » March 7th, 2014, 2:36 pm

Dale Bowers wrote:Herb Lamb's 2 Old Dogs
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#67 Post by Rainer Guntermann » March 7th, 2014, 2:37 pm

I really like them, esp. from Bordeaux, Loire, Austria & Switzerland and some from Friuli.

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#68 Post by Eric Sch » March 7th, 2014, 2:42 pm

I buy the J Christopher Uber Sauvignon each year... it spends 8 months in Acacia barrels. Tasty stuff!
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#69 Post by Anton D » March 7th, 2014, 2:43 pm

Scott Fitzgerald wrote:I used to drink a fair amount of this during the summer, but in recent years I've gravitated to other whites, rose, and lighter reds if it's on a warm day. Not that I hate SB, but it just doesn't thrill me like other wines.

What thinks ye, the Board? Heavenly Granny Smith deliciousness or tarty cat's pee?
I think there are giant 'palate' cycles that we traverse in the hobby.

I had drifted away from SB for years, then drifted back - either via changes in style or my own perception.

I love your post because I've been through the same cycle!

Now, I am back in love with SB.

As others have mentioned, Merry Edwards and Quivet.

Also high on my list: Spottswoode, Chalk Hill's SB "musque" and their Clone 378 SB, Alpha Omega's 'reserve' SB (I forgot the number they use, 1170?) and Mondavi's To Kalon SB.

I bet in 5 years, you'll be back!

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#70 Post by Joshua Kates » March 7th, 2014, 4:51 pm

+1 On the cycle.

Used to drink a lot of SB, virtually stopped, and now I am coming back. I drink and appreciate the entry level Daganeaux and also others from Sancerre, but I have to say Mike Smith's 2012 Quivet Tench Vineyard, which I came to through this board, really blew me away, incredibly vibrant and focused (somewhat in the Rochioli vein, but I think even better).Of course, no cat pee there; I used to seek out the Reverdy, I think Hippolyte, for that side of the spectrum. At the same time, very pure flavors, more grassiness really than pee, and amazing cut. Maybe I'll look for some, as others say, when the weather finally breaks.

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#71 Post by David_T » March 7th, 2014, 9:14 pm

Count me as a fan, but only during warmer months. I don't think I've ever had or desired one during the winter. SB that makes it into Sauternes being an exception.
Add my +1 to Bedrock, and I'm surprised no one here has mentioned Keating. I liked Eric's initial bottling last summer enough to order more this year. Scholium has also not been mentioned and I think Abe's are some of the most interesting interpretations on the market. I'm usually happy with the ~$10-15/btl NZ SB typically costs- I get a few each summer, usually only a bottle or two from a handful of producers to try. I particularly enjoyed The Supernatural (capped with a crown cap) two summers ago.
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#72 Post by Steve Anderson » March 7th, 2014, 10:57 pm

I enjoy a good SB year 'round, although living in SoCal makes that a bit easier due to the warm weather. My go to bottles:
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Dragonette

Have also enjoyed the Scholium Glos and Soliste St Andelain bottlings.

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#73 Post by Steve Pohlman » March 8th, 2014, 1:49 am

We drink some every summer ... If we can look past our rose.

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#74 Post by Mike Daniel » March 8th, 2014, 7:23 am

I'm a fan of Cliff Lede Sauvignon Blanc in the summer. Love Merry Edwards as well but the cost is prohibitive for me

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#75 Post by Bob Sherwood » March 8th, 2014, 8:21 am

Ed Cooper wrote:Yes. Especially Merry Edwards.
+1 here; also Spottswoode.
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#76 Post by M.Kaplan » March 8th, 2014, 8:35 am

I find the responses very interesting, as there is a clear preference for California Sauv Blanc expressed by those who have posted.

Why? Have the posters tasted a wide range of SB from various places and prefer those made in California to the rest of the world, especially Loire?

Or is it because California SB is viewed as easier to acquire?

Or is it cost?

Or is it familiarity?

Finally, what is the greatest expression of California SB that you've tasted? Not the most quaffable on a hot summer day, but the most profound, the most interesting? I'd like to know so that I might try some. As I posted above, Vatan Clos la Neore is my favorite SB; of the 70-ish bottles of Sancerre that I own, 50 are Vatan. I'd like to learn whether any California (or other) SB is its equal. I doubt it, but the only way is to taste and I don't know where to start.
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#77 Post by Steve Brickley » March 8th, 2014, 8:43 am

Lucien Crochet Sancerre Le Cul de Beaujeu is pretty much an automatic buy for me when it comes to town.
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#78 Post by Richard T r i m p i » March 8th, 2014, 9:04 am

Mark, I'd add Thomas Labaille and Dominique Roger (Domaine Carrou) to your Sancerre list. the '11 G. Boulay Beaujeu is lovely.

Patricia Green has a perfectly serviceable option for < $20. Living in the northeast, it's hard to find the motivation to delve deeply in to Cali SBs with good Sancerre available for similar pricing. NZ SB...just can't get past the nose in too many.

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#79 Post by Glenn L e v i n e » March 8th, 2014, 9:59 am

Drink a ton of SB when the sun shines. Favorite style is Bordeaux but I love some "out-there" Napa SBs too. Abe's SB wines are terrific and wish I could readily afford Lail.
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#80 Post by Mark C » March 8th, 2014, 10:06 am

Bought some 2011 Henri Bourgeois SB "Petit Bourgeois” from one of my LWS (Chain Bridge Cellars) and at ~$10/btl really like it. Bourgeois makes Sancerre in the Loire valley and the grapes for this come from his vineyards just outside Sancerre. Great QPR!
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#81 Post by Jim Anderson » March 8th, 2014, 2:08 pm

It is the only wine of ours that I drink with any frequency when it is young. We have curtailed some Sancerre purchases due to price hikes that, relative to the absurd value in Provence Rose, made it a bit less attractive but we still like La Poussie, Reverdy and others. Have not purchased DD since the 2007 vintage but we love to go to restaurants and order it there. Snark.
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#82 Post by Gary York » March 8th, 2014, 2:14 pm

Mark, nothing in Cali comes close. But if you have 50 bottles of Vatan you already know that.
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#83 Post by T3rry D3an » March 8th, 2014, 3:02 pm

M Champney wrote:Bought some 2011 Henri Bourgeois SB "Petit Bourgeois” from one of my LWS (Chain Bridge Cellars) and at ~$10/btl really like it. Bourgeois makes Sancerre in the Loire valley and the grapes for this come from his vineyards just outside Sancerre. Great QPR!
I completely agree - the 2011 is superb at ~$10/bottle - very pronounced petrol and lemon. The '12 is just "good".

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#84 Post by Matt Latuchie » March 8th, 2014, 6:45 pm

I feel very strongly that the best sauvignon blanc in the world comes from Edmond Vatan in Sancerre. On Thursday, the 2010 was opened at a dinner and it was just off the charts. I've had 4-5 of their 2010s and this was my favorite.
  • 2010 Edmond Vatan Sancerre Clos la Néore - France, Loire Valley, Upper Loire, Sancerre (3/6/2014)
    Dinner at Browntrout (Browntrout - Chicago, IL): Unbelievable wine and the best 2010 Vatan Sancerre I've had to date. This was popped and poured and the floral and herbal aromas leaped out of the bottle. I didn't want to stop smelling this wine as it had one of the best aromas I've come across lately. The palate was dense with flavor, but light as air. Lots of pear, lime, and lemons with an airy white floral tone. Acidity was off the charts too. (96 pts.)
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#85 Post by Craig G » March 8th, 2014, 7:05 pm

Tom Lee wrote:Rochioli needs to be in this conversation.
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#86 Post by Tom Moore » March 9th, 2014, 9:30 am

Had a great one recently from Santa Maria Valley, not the grassy style and no cat pee.

2012 Presqu'ile Sauvignon Blanc - USA, California, Central Coast, Santa Barbara County (1/8/2014)
Love this wine. Jalapeño on nose. Nice ripe fruit on palate and great with spicy thai curry dish. Quality SB for sure.

The best I ever have had was a 2003 Chateau Brown, just a beautiful wine. Of course it was blended with Semillon and drank at about 7 years in.

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#87 Post by Karen Troisi » March 9th, 2014, 9:51 am

Had the 2012 Bougetz Cellars SB this week and it was quite tasty (SB and a splash of semillon). I believe this wine was a BD offer also.
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#88 Post by Michael Meadows » March 9th, 2014, 5:51 pm

Dagueneau and Cotats are unreal. I only hope that a few of the winemaker driven Cali SBs can get there as they continue to press forward. Mineral finishing SB at/just above cellar temp has to be one of the best things going. Outside of killer roussanne, it is my favorite white varietal.

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#89 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » March 9th, 2014, 6:33 pm

Matt Latuchie wrote:I feel very strongly that the best sauvignon blanc in the world comes from Edmond Vatan in Sancerre. On Thursday, the 2010 was opened at a dinner and it was just off the charts. I've had 4-5 of their 2010s and this was my favorite.
  • 2010 Edmond Vatan Sancerre Clos la Néore - France, Loire Valley, Upper Loire, Sancerre (3/6/2014)
    Dinner at Browntrout (Browntrout - Chicago, IL): Unbelievable wine and the best 2010 Vatan Sancerre I've had to date. This was popped and poured and the floral and herbal aromas leaped out of the bottle. I didn't want to stop smelling this wine as it had one of the best aromas I've come across lately. The palate was dense with flavor, but light as air. Lots of pear, lime, and lemons with an airy white floral tone. Acidity was off the charts too. (96 pts.)
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#90 Post by Joel W » March 9th, 2014, 10:06 pm

Love Sauvignon Blanc in the summer...

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#91 Post by Guillaume Deschamps » March 10th, 2014, 12:36 am

Please allow me to add Menetou-Salon to the discussion. It's a fairly small appellation west of Sancerre. I'd recommend domaines Henry Pellé or Jean Tellier (especially the Mademoiselle T cuvée), among others.

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#92 Post by Richard T r i m p i » March 10th, 2014, 9:34 am

That's a good call Guillaume. I can't say I've ever had a "great" Menetou-Salon but some have been very convincing, including a few from Phillipe Gilbert. No point in forgetting Pouilly Fume either (i.e.: Blanchet, Cailbourdin).

I'm on the fence about the Dagueneau Sauvignon Blancs. They're the most intense and extroverted dry whites from the Loire (IMHO) but with some food pairings, they just seem a little too loud.

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#93 Post by etomasi » March 10th, 2014, 10:32 am

Last couple years we have been drinking Broman Cellars Sauvignon Blanc. Its a bigger sauvignon blanc, but damn its nice.
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#94 Post by ki punwar » March 10th, 2014, 12:27 pm

Love SB, among them:
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Bevan-btw now making a Dry Stack and Kick Ranch SB
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#95 Post by Nguyen D. » March 10th, 2014, 4:01 pm

Mohua from New Zealand is my favorite white so far.
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#96 Post by Vinod S. » March 10th, 2014, 4:08 pm

In general yes; just not in Chiberia during the Winter. Picking a few bottles up from Domaine later this week. I'm a big fan of Quivet's SB for a grassy, citrusy and simple SB during the summer and Dagueneau when I want to think about the wine during a meal or over a few hours. Look forward to trying Vatan/Cotat, which I've never had before. IMHO, I think SB is one of the most transparent wines when it comes to regional variation/terroir, it's impossible to get an SB from California confused with one from Sancerre or NZ.
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#97 Post by J. Singleton » March 10th, 2014, 4:35 pm

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Matt Latuchie wrote:I feel very strongly that the best sauvignon blanc in the world comes from Edmond Vatan in Sancerre. On Thursday, the 2010 was opened at a dinner and it was just off the charts. I've had 4-5 of their 2010s and this was my favorite.
  • 2010 Edmond Vatan Sancerre Clos la Néore - France, Loire Valley, Upper Loire, Sancerre (3/6/2014)
    Dinner at Browntrout (Browntrout - Chicago, IL): Unbelievable wine and the best 2010 Vatan Sancerre I've had to date. This was popped and poured and the floral and herbal aromas leaped out of the bottle. I didn't want to stop smelling this wine as it had one of the best aromas I've come across lately. The palate was dense with flavor, but light as air. Lots of pear, lime, and lemons with an airy white floral tone. Acidity was off the charts too. (96 pts.)
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#98 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » March 10th, 2014, 4:49 pm

Tooch reputedly is coming to Orlando in summer. Bitch better be bringing me some . . . .

As to the original question, I drink a lot of NZ SB with my wife, her wine of choice. If we go to a restaurant typically I'll order a nice bottle of SB, Loire valley if they have it, then I move to reds later. We used to drink a lot of Merry Edwards. Is it my palate or have the last two vintages of that wine, 2011 and 2012, gotten sweeter and even lower in acid? Even my wife found the 2012 too sweet.
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Does anyone drink Sauvignon Blanc anymore?

#99 Post by Evan Pontoriero » March 10th, 2014, 5:00 pm

Rochioli and Neudorf are my go-to SBs. Loved Dry Stack/Grey Stack SB too.
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Does anyone drink Sauvignon Blanc anymore?

#100 Post by Michael Lewis » March 10th, 2014, 5:53 pm

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Matt Latuchie wrote:I feel very strongly that the best sauvignon blanc in the world comes from Edmond Vatan in Sancerre. On Thursday, the 2010 was opened at a dinner and it was just off the charts. I've had 4-5 of their 2010s and this was my favorite.
  • 2010 Edmond Vatan Sancerre Clos la Néore - France, Loire Valley, Upper Loire, Sancerre (3/6/2014)
    Dinner at Browntrout (Browntrout - Chicago, IL): Unbelievable wine and the best 2010 Vatan Sancerre I've had to date. This was popped and poured and the floral and herbal aromas leaped out of the bottle. I didn't want to stop smelling this wine as it had one of the best aromas I've come across lately. The palate was dense with flavor, but light as air. Lots of pear, lime, and lemons with an airy white floral tone. Acidity was off the charts too. (96 pts.)
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