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#1 Post by Rasoul Salehi » November 1st, 2013, 11:48 pm

Dear Berserkers

I have a visit with Ted at Litttorai as my one and only visit so far. i can fit 2 more visits.

Interested in visiting producers with chard and pinot as their specialty and those who make wines in the burgundian spirit and even then practice restraint, elegance and finesse over power.

your suggestions and insider info/lead on how to book a time to visit with them is much appreciated.

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#2 Post by Steve Pohlman » November 2nd, 2013, 2:22 am

Scherrer
Peay
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#3 Post by Diane Kessler » November 2nd, 2013, 3:30 am

Freeman - I was there this past July, and made arrangements through Ed Kurtzman. Their Pinots and Chard fit the description of what you are looking for.

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#4 Post by Paul Jaouen » November 2nd, 2013, 3:51 am

Inman
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Littorai
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#5 Post by Scott Brunson » November 2nd, 2013, 4:39 am

Steve Pohlman wrote:Scherrer
Peay
+1
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#6 Post by Larry Jones » November 2nd, 2013, 5:34 am

Copain - beautiful tasting room as well.

+1 on Scherrer and Littorai. Never gotten all the way up to Cloverdale for Peay, but like their wines.

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#7 Post by Mike Cohen » November 2nd, 2013, 5:37 am

Halleck

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#8 Post by Randall McFarlane » November 2nd, 2013, 5:45 am

Copain

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#9 Post by Dave H. » November 2nd, 2013, 6:02 am

I think most folks would agree that Porter Creek would also fit your bill.
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#10 Post by M Hudson » November 2nd, 2013, 6:05 am

if you can get in ceritas I would highly recommend them as well as copain
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#11 Post by Brian Tuite » November 2nd, 2013, 6:20 am

Copain
Arnot-Roberts
Wind Gap
Ceritas
Scherrer
Littorai
Did I mention Copain?
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#12 Post by Michel D. » November 2nd, 2013, 6:22 am

Littorai
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#13 Post by John Morris » November 2nd, 2013, 6:31 am

I'd second these, where I stop regularly:

Copain
Unti (an interesting array of Italian and Rhone grapes, including primitivo, barbera, montepulciano, sangiovese, grenache and syrah)
Porter Creek

Also, Ridge has its Lytton Springs Road tasting room, which might not occur to you. I'd highly recommend that as they have a lot of odd-ball wines that are only sold through their ATP (mailing list) program, including older vintages.
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#14 Post by Scott Brunson » November 2nd, 2013, 6:45 am

and Copain [wink.gif]
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#15 Post by Matt A u s t i n » November 2nd, 2013, 8:09 am

Joseph Swan!
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#16 Post by SteveBrown » November 2nd, 2013, 8:44 am

I don't know how easy it is to arrange a Ceritas tasting, but another option for trying wines made by John Raytek is LIOCO, they do tastings by appt at Punchdown in Santa Rosa (the same crush facility Ceritas uses).
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#17 Post by Jane Crabill » November 2nd, 2013, 8:55 am

I agree with some of the previous recommendations such as Lioco, Joseph Swan, Ridge and Scherrer. I think you may need to have an appointment to taste at Scherrer (usually open only for a few open house dates a year.)
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#18 Post by SteveBrown » November 2nd, 2013, 9:01 am

Scherrer's Fall open house is Nov 15-17 in case that matches with your timing.
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#19 Post by Merrill Lindquist » November 2nd, 2013, 9:05 am

Kathleen Inman, definitely. You will enjoy the tasting, but I am glad I bought some bottles because they were even better than they were during the tasting experience. And Mike Sai, who sometimes posts here, works with Kathleen. Diane Kessler and I posted notes from our Russian River tastings here on Wine Talk last spring - perhaps you can dig them up.

Dehlinger?

And I can't believe no one has recommended Copain!
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#20 Post by Brian Tuite » November 2nd, 2013, 9:15 am

Merrill Lindquist wrote:
And I can't believe no one has recommended Copain!
Yeah, what a bunch of slackers! [snort.gif]
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#21 Post by Steve Pohlman » November 2nd, 2013, 9:17 am

Peay's vineyards are waaaay up the coast. Absolutely gorgeous and worth the trip (so picturesque).

But, they have a tasting room in Cloverdale....about 35 minutes from Littorai.

Fred Scherrer's wines are just superb. True to their terroir and never over ripe. Try to make an appointment but remember ... he's busy making wine right now.

Here is his latest newsletter (from yesterday).
http://scherrerwinery.com/mag/db/pics/1 ... .pdf?16385

Fred is in Sebastopol, close to Littorai.
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#22 Post by Jim V a n P e l t » November 2nd, 2013, 9:41 am

Larry Jones wrote:Copain - beautiful tasting room as well.
+1. Love the wines, and had a nice visit there last week. Appt only.

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#23 Post by M. Sai » November 2nd, 2013, 9:57 am

Hey Rasoul - We would be delighted to have you stop by the vineyard while you are in the area. If you would like to make an appointment, send me a note: mike[at]inmanfamilywines.com.

Either way, have a great trip - there are several good suggestions in this thread.
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#24 Post by dougwilder » November 2nd, 2013, 9:58 am

+1 on Swan!
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#25 Post by J Diven » November 2nd, 2013, 12:58 pm

Brian Tuite wrote:Copain
Arnot-Roberts
Wind Gap
Ceritas
Scherrer
Littorai
Did I mention Copain?
Excellent list. Just missing Inman and Swan.
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#26 Post by mattlock » November 2nd, 2013, 1:24 pm

Definitely Copain as mentioned but I also really enjoyed a tasting I did at Lynmar Estate...beautiful grounds, great people and very good pinot.

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#27 Post by Mark Colendich » November 2nd, 2013, 1:41 pm

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#28 Post by Merrill Lindquist » November 2nd, 2013, 1:47 pm

mattlock wrote:Definitely Copain as mentioned but I also really enjoyed a tasting I did at Lynmar Estate...beautiful grounds, great people and very good pinot.
I agree - a few years back another ITB person and I went (he scheduled everything, and I was happily along for the ride). We had a very high end tasting outside, paired with a few small dishes. It was gorgeous. But I would never, ever put their wines in the "restrained" category. I have room in my cellar and heart (and mouth!) for wines of many styles, so have purchased Lynmar. But restrained? I think not. Not as I expereince them.
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#29 Post by Adam F. » November 2nd, 2013, 2:04 pm

J Diven wrote:
Brian Tuite wrote:Copain
Arnot-Roberts
Wind Gap
Ceritas
Scherrer
Littorai
Did I mention Copain?
Excellent list. Just missing Inman and Swan.
+1
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#30 Post by mattlock » November 2nd, 2013, 2:24 pm

Merrill Lindquist wrote:
mattlock wrote:Definitely Copain as mentioned but I also really enjoyed a tasting I did at Lynmar Estate...beautiful grounds, great people and very good pinot.
I agree - a few years back another ITB person and I went (he scheduled everything, and I was happily along for the ride). We had a very high end tasting outside, paired with a few small dishes. It was gorgeous. But I would never, ever put their wines in the "restrained" category. I have room in my cellar and heart (and mouth!) for wines of many styles, so have purchased Lynmar. But restrained? I think not. Not as I expereince them.
Very true points and agreed...just thought I would selfishly throw in a personal like of mine since it was such a nice experience!

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#31 Post by DAVID GIBBS » November 2nd, 2013, 2:26 pm

If you have time for only one, make it Hanzell.
Call and arrange a tour.
It's fascinating and you'll walk away knowing a lot more about the history of CA pinot and chard.
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#32 Post by Merrill Lindquist » November 2nd, 2013, 3:10 pm

mattlock wrote:
Merrill Lindquist wrote:
mattlock wrote:Definitely Copain as mentioned but I also really enjoyed a tasting I did at Lynmar Estate...beautiful grounds, great people and very good pinot.
I agree - a few years back another ITB person and I went (he scheduled everything, and I was happily along for the ride). We had a very high end tasting outside, paired with a few small dishes. It was gorgeous. But I would never, ever put their wines in the "restrained" category. I have room in my cellar and heart (and mouth!) for wines of many styles, so have purchased Lynmar. But restrained? I think not. Not as I expereince them.
Very true points and agreed...just thought I would selfishly throw in a personal like of mine since it was such a nice experience!
You have no idea how gratifying your response is. I am having the week from hell, and wondered if I had just completely lost it [wow.gif] .
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#33 Post by Brian Tuite » November 2nd, 2013, 3:58 pm

Just came back from the Arnot-Roberts pick up day/party and they poured their 3 Pinots Legan, Peter Martin Ray and Coastlands. 2 Chards, Trout Gulch and Watson. A Trousseau, North Coast Syrah and a Gamay partnership with Raj Parr called RPM.
As for the Chard and PN back up the fricken truck. Especially the Trout Gulch and PMR yet they were all great in their own right. Santa Cruz Mountains steals the show!
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