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#201 Post by tommyr » March 19th, 2016, 11:33 pm

Hmmn. I was going to wait a few years unless you suggest I pobega you
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#202 Post by b. c@stner » March 20th, 2016, 4:28 pm

Kind of sad actually. Seems like much ado about nothing. Do we really have to protect everyone against themselves?

And a question, of the brands created by Mr. Newman, is it actually illegal to bottle the same juice under different brands? Would that be similar to a winery bottling excess juice as a second label/brand to protect a primary label? And that's ok right? Cameron Hughes sells wines for 1/2 price right? Yet those wines were never offered at their "full" price.

MSRP in wine in my estimation has always been a moving target and never a concrete number influenced by things as simple as geographical location. Heck 2 Buck Chuck is 3 bucks here in IL. I want a refund.
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#203 Post by ATaylor » May 11th, 2016, 12:46 pm

2013 Patricia Green Marine Sedimentary up for $25.....free shipping on 4 or more
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#204 Post by ChrisMcElligott » May 11th, 2016, 12:50 pm

Never tried Patty Green. Is this good intro to their wines?

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#205 Post by Bdklein » June 3rd, 2016, 11:08 am

2014 Caymus for $64.99 and free shipping. 1 Bottle min.
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#206 Post by mattcitrang » June 3rd, 2016, 11:57 am

Same price as WL incl. shipping.

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#207 Post by David Cooper » June 4th, 2016, 9:26 am

Personally, I think anyone trying to be a thorn in the side of this Newman douchebag deserves our respect.

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#208 Post by J. Migone » June 5th, 2016, 11:06 am

I've never had bad service or wine from them. They are responsive to shipping requests and I double check the pricing with wine searcher. Everyone with half a sense knows not to trust the retail pricing. I also only shop for labels that are well known and there are reviews for on CT and other websites.
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#209 Post by Loren Sonkin » June 5th, 2016, 11:52 am

It was only up for 30 seconds or so last week but the 2010 Penfolds Grange for $399 was a nice surprise.
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#210 Post by Markus S » June 16th, 2016, 4:48 am

Looks like Jonathan Newman is Baaaaack!

"From a stellar Domaine and the famed single Clos Mollepierres, the ultimate white Burgundy Chardonnay for the summer with the perfect taste profile.

91-92 Points - Jonathan H. Newman!
"This single vineyard has 30 year-old vines that produce a wine with a particularly refreshing tension. A nicely finessed palate of Asian pear, melon, lychee, white flowers and key lime with touches of honeysuckle and vanilla with that hallmark minerality" 6-16-2016
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#211 Post by Bdklein » June 20th, 2016, 10:07 am

2013 Caymus SS for $149.99. Deal? I'm not buying but curious what others think. No tax or shipping .
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#212 Post by Warren Taranow » June 28th, 2016, 12:22 am

Wow, 2012 La Chablisienne Chablis Grand Cru Grenouilles Château Grenouilles for $49@ including shipping. flirtysmile
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#213 Post by ChrisMcElligott » June 28th, 2016, 2:00 pm

Andrew Will 2011 field du cheval for 34.99 qualifies as very nice deal. I know some on this board were recently discussing these wines.

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#214 Post by Greg Ballington » October 27th, 2016, 9:47 am

Just grabbed three of the Liquid Sky Cabs, some decent reviews for an $25 bottle
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#215 Post by Brian Tuite » October 28th, 2016, 5:46 am

Just got an email this morning that my wine has shipped. I check the tracking number and it was the FedEx delivery I missed yesterday because I was not expecting it. I was upset with HDH because I thought their Friday delivery showed up a day early. Should have known better.
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#216 Post by mattcitrang » October 28th, 2016, 6:15 am

Brian Tuite wrote:Just got an email this morning that my wine has shipped. I check the tracking number and it was the FedEx delivery I missed yesterday because I was not expecting it. I was upset with HDH because I thought their Friday delivery showed up a day early. Should have known better.
Are they going to deliver today?

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#217 Post by Brian Tuite » October 28th, 2016, 6:37 am

mattcitrang wrote:
Brian Tuite wrote:Just got an email this morning that my wine has shipped. I check the tracking number and it was the FedEx delivery I missed yesterday because I was not expecting it. I was upset with HDH because I thought their Friday delivery showed up a day early. Should have known better.
Are they going to deliver today?
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#218 Post by Bdklein » November 9th, 2016, 2:19 pm

Just bought 4 X 2012 Robert Stemmler Carneros Estate Vineyard Pinot Noir .

Seems like a good buy
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#219 Post by Andy Steinman » December 8th, 2016, 1:59 pm

Funny to see a fairly negative tasting note from a wine magazine shown on their site for a wine they are selling:

"this suffers from leathery anise-inflected flavors and aromas that border on barnyard earthiness, with a sourness to the finish."
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#220 Post by cjsavino » December 25th, 2016, 3:18 pm

2005 Yquem up at $299
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#221 Post by Bdklein » January 6th, 2017, 9:29 am

Just bought 2013 Robert Stemmler Pinot Noir Lawler Vineyard .

$19.99 no tax no shipping.
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#222 Post by Kevin Stine » January 6th, 2017, 5:55 pm

I have been buying on this sight for several years. It seems to me that earlier they offered better deals than today. It seems to me that a lot of wines til "sold out" are repeat deals. So did they sell out, or not?

I guess 'selling out' has several meanings!
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#223 Post by Bdklein » January 18th, 2017, 7:11 am

[quote="Bdklein"]Just bought 2013 Robert Stemmler Pinot Noir Lawler Vineyard .

$19.99 no tax no shipping.[/quote]

And today I picked up 2013 Winside Vineyard.

Good wines at good prices
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#224 Post by Jay $$ Winton » January 18th, 2017, 7:22 am

If you want more of a wine you bought, send them an email. Minimum purchase of 4 bottles for free shipping.
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#225 Post by Bdklein » March 8th, 2017, 12:30 pm

Bdklein wrote:Just bought 2013 Robert Stemmler Pinot Noir Lawler Vineyard .

$19.99 no tax no shipping.
Offer is back. Decent buy IMO. The Winside Vineyard is a very good buy IMO (if it comes back up).
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#226 Post by Seanb » March 15th, 2017, 12:58 pm

Bdklein wrote:
Bdklein wrote:Just bought 2013 Robert Stemmler Pinot Noir Lawler Vineyard .

$19.99 no tax no shipping.
Offer is back. Decent buy IMO. The Winside Vineyard is a very good buy IMO (if it comes back up).

Just came back up. I'm assuming you still think it's a good buy?
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#227 Post by Bdklein » March 15th, 2017, 1:32 pm

Seanb wrote:
Bdklein wrote:
Bdklein wrote:Just bought 2013 Robert Stemmler Pinot Noir Lawler Vineyard .

$19.99 no tax no shipping.
Offer is back. Decent buy IMO. The Winside Vineyard is a very good buy IMO (if it comes back up).

Just came back up. I'm assuming you still think it's a good buy?
Yup . Check out info on CellarTracker. Would buy without hesitation if I needed wine
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#228 Post by Nate Simon » March 15th, 2017, 2:10 pm

Current offer is not the Lawler.

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#229 Post by Bdklein » March 15th, 2017, 2:15 pm

Nate Simon wrote:Current offer is not the Lawler.
Winside is even better
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#230 Post by Bdklein » May 23rd, 2017, 8:25 am

Good buy out there for Stemmler Pinot Noir. Nice reviews on CT too.
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#231 Post by Bdklein » May 25th, 2017, 12:20 pm

Decent buy out there on Ladera 2103 RRV Pinot Noir
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#232 Post by Derek P » July 1st, 2017, 1:37 pm

Haven't seen anything interesting in the last 4 months or so, and have been looking for an entry level Condrieu.

Vins de Vienne 'La Chambee' Condrieu 2015 for $32.99 is up now, 91.8 in CT with good notes. I'm in for 3.

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#233 Post by mattcitrang » July 1st, 2017, 1:43 pm

Derek P wrote:Haven't seen anything interesting in the last 4 months or so, and have been looking for an entry level Condrieu.

Vins de Vienne 'La Chambee' Condrieu 2015 for $32.99 is up now, 91.8 in CT with good notes. I'm in for 3.
Thanks for the heads up.

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#234 Post by Edward H. Earles » July 1st, 2017, 6:11 pm

I bought those the last time around. They are good, but not the 95-points good that WS gave to them....they don't have the intensity or length. I'd give them an 89.

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#235 Post by Mike Lindauer » July 3rd, 2017, 7:54 am

I have been generally very pleased with WTSO. Their customer service has been responsive and more than fair. Although, they are now restricted from shipping to many states now (including TX and IL). Also, I feel that there were better deals a few years ago. I bought several wonderful '04, '05 and '09 Spanish wines at bargain prices. I used to find everyday drinkers there, but not so much anymore. I use them sparingly now.

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#236 Post by Tim Heaton » August 15th, 2017, 7:32 pm

the 2008 Di Meo Taurasi riserva, at $19.99, is a steal. Really over-delivers
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#237 Post by Edward H. Earles » August 26th, 2017, 5:23 pm

Has anyone tasted the Cardinal Rule Dry Creek Cabernet Sauvignon 2012 that's up now?

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#238 Post by b. c@stner » October 24th, 2017, 11:27 am

WTSO is back in IL as of yesterday. Not all wines are available, and the shipping window changes a bit I think because they shipping to a location in IL, then shipping to consumer. As they put it, they are "shipping directly within IL"
They are also collecting sales tax which they did not do before.
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#239 Post by matt d » November 13th, 2017, 12:03 pm

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#240 Post by Bdklein » November 28th, 2017, 12:18 pm

Good wine up there now and a good buy IMO. Ladera Pillow Road RRV Pinot Noir.
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#241 Post by mattcitrang » November 28th, 2017, 1:40 pm

Had a few of those already. Not a bad deal at that price.

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#242 Post by Jay $$ Winton » December 9th, 2017, 10:16 am

Bdklein wrote:Good wine up there now and a good buy IMO. Ladera Pillow Road RRV Pinot Noir.
opened one last night. I would call this an excellent deal and may go back for more. Very balanced.
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#243 Post by Bdklein » December 9th, 2017, 10:58 am

J a y W i n t % n wrote:
Bdklein wrote:Good wine up there now and a good buy IMO. Ladera Pillow Road RRV Pinot Noir.
opened one last night. I would call this an excellent deal and may go back for more. Very balanced.
Glad to hear it worked out for you. Enjoy!!

Keep your eyes out for Robert Stemmler Pinot Noir (Winside and Lawler vineyards ) if they pop up there again . Good wine and a good deal (if $19.99 per).
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#244 Post by cjsavino » December 21st, 2017, 5:28 pm

Got a settlement claim email tonight. It gives some credit on past purchases, did not go into how it could be applied
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#245 Post by Nick Ellis » December 21st, 2017, 6:14 pm

This class action lawsuit really annoys me. Anyone too lazy to do their due diligence on a purchase of wine from an internet flash site doesn't deserve to seek redress in our legal system. Also, this KCC law firm looks like a bunch of litigious child molesters.

Is there any way to make this process as hard as possible on the plaintiffs without adding to WTSO's legal bill?

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#246 Post by Michael Martin » December 21st, 2017, 6:29 pm

Nick Ellis wrote:This class action lawsuit really annoys me. Anyone too lazy to do their due diligence on a purchase of wine from an internet flash site doesn't deserve to seek redress in our legal system. Also, this KCC law firm looks like a bunch of litigious child molesters.

Is there any way to make this process as hard as possible on the plaintiffs without adding to WTSO's legal bill?
The plaintiffs went through all of this and got a $1.75 credit. Doesn’t that hurt enough?

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#247 Post by Nick Ellis » December 21st, 2017, 6:40 pm

Michael Martin wrote:
Nick Ellis wrote:This class action lawsuit really annoys me. Anyone too lazy to do their due diligence on a purchase of wine from an internet flash site doesn't deserve to seek redress in our legal system. Also, this KCC law firm looks like a bunch of litigious child molesters.

Is there any way to make this process as hard as possible on the plaintiffs without adding to WTSO's legal bill?
The plaintiffs went through all of this and got a $1.75 credit. Doesn’t that hurt enough?
Yes, but it would hurt more it they were fined $175 each for bringing such a superfluous suit into the court in the first place.

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#248 Post by Michael Martin » December 21st, 2017, 6:48 pm

Wonder how much the lawyers got? Care to wager a guess?

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#249 Post by Nick Ellis » December 21st, 2017, 6:58 pm

Probably more than $1.75.

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#250 Post by Kim Z » December 21st, 2017, 7:14 pm

I received the below from the plaintiff's attorneys vs Wines 'till Sold Out. (For those who haven't used them, they sell wines at way below retail at "flash" prices: you have a day or so to order before the offer expires. I did find a few good wines at good prices through them, and also found they had more if you asked. Before buying I did check prices online and WTSO beatr or matched those found).

The point of the suit seems to be what exactly retail price meant. Gotta love class actions, though. I can recoup (maybe) $50 (with an hour of paperwork) and the law office pockets $50M.

Claim ID: 10232425
PIN: 406979

Notice of Class Action Settlement

Cannon v. Ashburn Corporation, Civil Action No. 16-1452 (RMB)(AMD)

United States District Court for the District of New Jersey

A settlement has been reached in a class action lawsuit against Defendant Ashburn Corporation, d/b/a “Wines ‘Til Sold Out” and d/b/a WTSO.com (hereinafter WTSO).

What is this case about?

Kyle Cannon, Lewis Lyons, and Dianne Lyons (collectively the “Plaintiffs” in this case) allege that because certain wines were not sold anywhere at the purported “Original Price,” the discount advertised by WTSO was not real, and consumers were not buying wines at a discount. The Plaintiffs further allege that WTSO offered wines that were available elsewhere but that the stated “Original Price” of some of these wines was higher than the price set by the winery itself, resulting in a greater advertised discount than would have existed had Defendant used the winery’s price for such wines.

WTSO maintains that the “Original Price” it advertised was the suggested retail price provided to it when it purchased the wine and was an accurate reflection of the value of the wine it sold. WTSO denies all liability of any kind associated with the claims alleged. WTSO further denies that class certification is appropriate for any purpose other than settlement.

The Court has not decided who is right in this case.

Who is included in the Class?

You are included in this class if you reside (or otherwise live) in the United States and purchased wine from WTSO.com at any point from March 15, 2010 to November 1, 2016 (“Class Period”).

What may I receive from this settlement?

You will receive credits to purchase wine on WTSO.com based on wine purchased during the Class Period if you complete a Verification Form as described below, as follows:

1. For every bottle of wine listed on Exhibit A purchased during the Class Period for $12.99 or less, the Class Member will receive a credit of $1.75.

2. For every bottle of wine listed on Exhibit A purchased during the Class Period for $13.00-$18.99, the Class Member will receive a credit of $2.00.

3. For every bottle of wine listed on Exhibit A purchased during the Class Period for $19.00 or greater, the Class Member will receive a credit of $2.25.

4. For every bottle of wine listed on Exhibit B purchased during the Class Period for $19.99 or less, the Class Member will receive a credit of $0.50.

5. For every bottle of wine listed on Exhibit B purchased during the Class Period for $20.00 or greater, the Class Member will receive a credit of $0.75.

6. For every bottle of wine not listed on Exhibit A or B purchased during the Class Period, the Class Member will receive a credit of $0.20.

You will not receive a credit for any bottle of wine for which you received a refund. Credits will be good for one year from the date you receive an email with a code for your Credits. Credits will be applied against purchases of any wine the first time it is offered on WTSO.com (with limited exceptions), and on certain other identified wines offered on WTSO.com, at the rate of $2.00 off per bottle, or for the full or remaining credit amount if less than $2.00. WTSO will identify on its website which wines are eligible for credit use.

Has WTSO made changes to its advertising?

After the lawsuit was filed, on or about November 2, 2016, Defendant replaced the advertising term “Original Price” with the term “Comparable Price” on the WTSO.com website and included a definition of “Comparable Price” to mean “the price at which the same or a similar wine with the same primary grape varietal and appellation or sub-appellation has been offered for sale to consumers directly by a producing winery or through retailers.”

What are my options?

1. Remain in the Class and Receive a Credit

You do not have to do anything to remain in the Class. However, if you wish to receive a credit as described above, you must complete the Verification Form. If you received more than one Notice at different email addresses, you must complete the Verification Form for each email address that the Notice was sent to in order to obtain all of your Credits.

If the settlement is approved by the Court and you have completed the Verification Form(s), you will receive a unique non-transferable code that you may use on the WTSO.com website to access your Credits. The Verification Form for each email address at which you received a Notice must be completed and submitted no later than April 19, 2018 in order to obtain all of your Credits. If you do not complete a Verification Form for any email address at which you received a Notice, you will not obtain the Credits for purchases made under that email address. You will receive the Code and be able to use it 40 days after the Settlement is final.

If you remain in the Class, you release and give up your right to file a lawsuit against WTSO and its related agents and entities relating to WTSO’s selling, marketing and advertising of wine during the Class Period. The precise terms of the release are set forth in the Settlement Agreement. Unless you exclude yourself from this Settlement, as described below, you will release your claims whether or not you submit a Verification Form and receive a credit.

2. Exclude Yourself from the Settlement

If you do not wish to be included in the settlement, you have the right to opt out of the class.

If you decide to opt out of the Class, you:

(i) Will not receive any credits for the purchase of wine on WTSO.com;

(ii) will not be bound by any orders or judgments entered in this Action;

(iii) will not be entitled to relief under, or be affected by, this Settlement;

(iv) will not gain any rights by virtue of this Settlement; and

(v) will not be entitled to object to any aspect of this Settlement.

To opt out of the Class, you must mail a letter clearly stating your desire to opt out to the Settlement Administrator by February 16, 2018. If you have opted out and wish to revoke your request for exclusion from the Class, you may do so by mailing a letter stating clearly the desire to revoke the previous request for exclusion to the Settlement Administrator before the opt out deadline at Cannon v. Ashburn Corporation d/b/a Wines ‘Til Sold Out Class Action Settlement, P.O. Box 404041, Louisville, KY 40233-4041.

3. Object to the Settlement

If you wish to be part of the proposed Settlement but want to object to all or any part of the Settlement, you must do so by February 16, 2018. You must remain a member of the Class in order to object to any aspect of the proposed Settlement. Objections must be filed with the Court at:

Clerk of the Court
United States District Court for the District of New Jersey
4th & Cooper Streets
Camden, NJ 08101

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