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#151 Post by Jorge Henriquez » November 18th, 2015, 1:25 pm

Any thoughts on that Piper Sonoma Cuvee Platinum?
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#152 Post by mattcitrang » November 18th, 2015, 2:06 pm

Not much in CT. Looks decent.

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#153 Post by Jay $$ Winton » November 18th, 2015, 2:10 pm

Jay Winton wrote:
Joe G a l e w s k i wrote:Yes. It's too bad they aren't selling anything good.
I bit on 4 of the 2006 Bodegas Balbas Ardal Reserva. CT notes were good.
I'd buy these again without hesitation.
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#154 Post by Bdklein » November 30th, 2015, 7:28 am

Anybody any magnums today?
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#155 Post by mattcitrang » November 30th, 2015, 8:42 am

Forgot all about that. Thanks

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#156 Post by CJ Beazley » November 30th, 2015, 8:50 am

Been watching, nothing so far. Came close on that white burg, the thought of dumping out a whole Maggie of pre-mox held me back I guess.
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#157 Post by Bdklein » November 30th, 2015, 9:34 am

I would have grabbed the Caymus SS but price too high
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#158 Post by M McCombs » November 30th, 2015, 11:03 am

Just another Magnum Monday…

I bought one of the Mont Redon 2010 CDP. The price looked good at $60. Pretty sure I picked this up in a 2011 at my Costco for $33 or so earlier this year. Not a fantastic wine, but enjoyable and the price was right according to wine searcher. Some of the other prices don’t look that great. At least these are mostly wines I have heard of not the obscure wine event you usually see.
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#159 Post by Jonathan Essner » November 30th, 2015, 11:08 am

Grabbed the 2013 Long Meadow Ranch Cabernet Sauvignon Reserve for $70.

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#160 Post by Jonathan Essner » November 30th, 2015, 2:24 pm

Added the magnum of the 2010 Virginie de Valandraud Saint-Emilion Grand Cru for a hundo.

Magnum day on WTSO is a killer. As in, my wife's gonna kill me.

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#161 Post by TSimpson » November 30th, 2015, 2:30 pm

Jonathan Essner wrote:Added the magnum of the 2010 Virginie de Valandraud Saint-Emilion Grand Cru for a hundo.

Magnum day on WTSO is a killer. As in, my wife's gonna kill me.
Yup, got one as well. This is the perfect dinner party wine that I know I'll enjoy and looks cool for non-winos. Whatever keeps me from having to drink Yellowtail this time of year is a plus.....
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#162 Post by M McCombs » November 30th, 2015, 7:26 pm

When Wine Advocate says hedonistic I get scared.
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#163 Post by Jonathan Essner » February 26th, 2016, 7:41 am

Long Meadow Ranch 2014 Rutherford Cabernet Reserve at $30 a pop. In for 6. Seems like a very good deal. Second time I've seen it in a couple weeks. They might have some inventory to blow through.

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#164 Post by mattcitrang » February 26th, 2016, 9:26 am

Jonathan Essner wrote:Long Meadow Ranch 2014 Rutherford Cabernet Reserve at $30 a pop. In for 6. Seems like a very good deal. Second time I've seen it in a couple weeks. They might have some inventory to blow through.
That's a LMR 2014 Rutherford Estate Napa Valley Red Blend Reserve.

In for a few myself.

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#165 Post by Jonathan Essner » February 26th, 2016, 12:18 pm

mattcitrang wrote:
Jonathan Essner wrote:Long Meadow Ranch 2014 Rutherford Cabernet Reserve at $30 a pop. In for 6. Seems like a very good deal. Second time I've seen it in a couple weeks. They might have some inventory to blow through.
That's a LMR 2014 Rutherford Estate Napa Valley Red Blend Reserve.

In for a few myself.
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#166 Post by Bdklein » February 27th, 2016, 7:42 am

ATaylor wrote:Have to give a shout out to WTSO for customer service. Ordered a mag of Travaglini Gattinara Riserva during the mag marathon. FedEx delivers today, open box and I see that it is the normale and not the riserva.

Email to WTSO and 10 minutes later they come back with a reply stating to keep the mag and they refunded the entire purchase price. Classy.
I just opened up the box for an order that shipped earlier this week. The wine is not what I ordered. I emailed them a few minutes ago. Will see how it goes-not looking for anything except to receive my wine. But if they let me keep this one .....
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#167 Post by Bdklein » February 27th, 2016, 5:34 pm

Bdklein wrote:
ATaylor wrote:Have to give a shout out to WTSO for customer service. Ordered a mag of Travaglini Gattinara Riserva during the mag marathon. FedEx delivers today, open box and I see that it is the normale and not the riserva.

Email to WTSO and 10 minutes later they come back with a reply stating to keep the mag and they refunded the entire purchase price. Classy.
I just opened up the box for an order that shipped earlier this week. The wine is not what I ordered. I emailed them a few minutes ago. Will see how it goes-not looking for anything except to receive my wine. But if they let me keep this one .....
So they are shipping me my wine on Monday and told me to keep the incorrect wine. Nice customer service.
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#168 Post by b. c@stner » February 27th, 2016, 7:31 pm

WTSO customer service can't be beat.
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#169 Post by Bdklein » February 27th, 2016, 8:06 pm

b. c@stner wrote:WTSO customer service can't be beat.
It can be beat. They could have shipped my correct wine in the first place!!
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#170 Post by b. c@stner » February 28th, 2016, 6:29 pm

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b. c@stner wrote:WTSO customer service can't be beat.
It can be beat. They could have shipped my correct wine in the first place!!
I stand by my comment. No one is perfect, and it sounds like they made you whole without any hassle. I've had a few corked bottles which were replaced no questions asked. A shipping problem was resolved no questions asked. They reply promptly to all emails.
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#171 Post by Bdklein » February 28th, 2016, 7:42 pm

I was joking. And I do like the kingsford offer they currently have and periodically run. Decent wine and good QPR.
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#172 Post by b. c@stner » March 1st, 2016, 3:03 pm

Bdklein wrote:I was joking. And I do like the kingsford offer they currently have and periodically run. Decent wine and good QPR.

Sorry...wondered about that, too late of course. [oops.gif]
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#173 Post by Bdklein » March 1st, 2016, 3:10 pm

b. c@stner wrote:
Bdklein wrote:I was joking. And I do like the kingsford offer they currently have and periodically run. Decent wine and good QPR.

Sorry...wondered about that, too late of course. [oops.gif]
No Need to apologize. Just like with text messages and other non verbal, not in person communication, so hard to determine if people are joking, serious, angry, annoyed , etc. oh well
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#175 Post by Bdklein » March 8th, 2016, 8:55 am

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#176 Post by mattcitrang » March 8th, 2016, 9:05 am

Just what I'm looking for. Thanks.

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#177 Post by Bdklein » March 9th, 2016, 12:06 pm

mattcitrang wrote:Just what I'm looking for. Thanks.
Did you buy? Or being sarcastic? is that a good price?
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#178 Post by mattcitrang » March 9th, 2016, 12:45 pm

Bdklein wrote:
mattcitrang wrote:Just what I'm looking for. Thanks.
Did you buy? Or being sarcastic? is that a good price?

Decent price if you don't live in NJ.

Did not buy. Did some research and found earlier vintages for less.

So I bought nothing at the moment.

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#179 Post by Loren Sonkin » March 9th, 2016, 1:17 pm

Fwiw, I saw the 2012 locally (in Ohio) at the store today for $249. We have mandated pricing here so that means the wholesale here in Ohio is $167.50. Thats a lot for a bottle of wine but given what so many Napa Cabs of similar quality and less pedigree sell for....
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#180 Post by PeterH » March 16th, 2016, 2:25 pm

I long ago noticed that many of the wines offered on WSTO had ratings only by Jonathan Newman, who never rates anything less than 90 points. It's been a joke here for years. Later I discovered that Jonathan Newman was the supplier of many of those wines, and as is alleged in the lawsuit, the wines are commonly not available elsewhere. I've complained to WSTO several times, but never received an explanation or excuse.
Other than that, the service from WSTO has been sterling, and one out of fifty or so offers is actually a great deal.
I probably shouldn't buy from them again until they drop the JN hustle.

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#181 Post by Michael Martin » March 16th, 2016, 2:52 pm

PeterH wrote:I long ago noticed that many of the wines offered on WSTO had ratings only by Jonathan Newman, who never rates anything less than 90 points. It's been a joke here for years. Later I discovered that Jonathan Newman was the supplier of many of those wines, and as is alleged in the lawsuit, the wines are commonly not available elsewhere. I've complained to WSTO several times, but never received an explanation or excuse.
Other than that, the service from WSTO has been sterling, and one out of fifty or so offers is actually a great deal.
I probably shouldn't buy from them again until they drop the JN hustle.

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When I used to buy from WTSO, I always sought out third party notes. If there were none, I didn't buy. The Newman notes I always thought were more tongue and cheek and I never used those as a basis to buy.
As far as the lawsuit. My only response is "sigh".

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#182 Post by Andrew Kaufman » March 16th, 2016, 2:54 pm

mattcitrang wrote:
Bdklein wrote:
mattcitrang wrote:Just what I'm looking for. Thanks.
Did you buy? Or being sarcastic? is that a good price?

Decent price if you don't live in NJ.

Did not buy. Did some research and found earlier vintages for less.

So I bought nothing at the moment.
Matt not that it might matter but the 12 was a 100 pointer. Vintages do make a huge difference. Was recently at a tasting with many years of Insignia. Some very good, others not so much. Older doesn't mean better.

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#183 Post by Ted Erfer » March 16th, 2016, 3:05 pm

PeterH wrote:I long ago noticed that many of the wines offered on WSTO had ratings only by Jonathan Newman, who never rates anything less than 90 points. It's been a joke here for years. Later I discovered that Jonathan Newman was the supplier of many of those wines, and as is alleged in the lawsuit, the wines are commonly not available elsewhere. I've complained to WSTO several times, but never received an explanation or excuse.
Other than that, the service from WSTO has been sterling, and one out of fifty or so offers is actually a great deal.
I probably shouldn't buy from them again until they drop the JN hustle.

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Newman perfected this pricing scheme when he was the Chairman of the Pennsylvania Liquor Control Board and started his "Chairman's Selection" program. Silly-ass comparative pricing was featured on a whole lot of wine which was dumped into our monopoly state. He started his wine distribution company after he was sort of pushed out of his position by then-governor Ed Rendell.

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#184 Post by Ian Dorin » March 16th, 2016, 4:30 pm

Andrew Kaufman wrote:Matt not that it might matter but the 12 was a 100 pointer. Vintages do make a huge difference. Was recently at a tasting with many years of Insignia. Some very good, others not so much. Older doesn't mean better.
When? And by who? IIRC, Parker gave this a 96
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#185 Post by Andrew Kaufman » March 16th, 2016, 5:02 pm

Ian Dorin wrote:
Andrew Kaufman wrote:Matt not that it might matter but the 12 was a 100 pointer. Vintages do make a huge difference. Was recently at a tasting with many years of Insignia. Some very good, others not so much. Older doesn't mean better.
When? And by who? IIRC, Parker gave this a 96
96-100.

Which is why pricing is higher.

My bigger point is that older vintages are not necessarily comparable as suggested in the other post.

I have been tasting since before they sold Eisele sometime in the early 90s. Big variances year to year.

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#186 Post by Ian Dorin » March 17th, 2016, 3:07 pm

Andrew Kaufman wrote:
96-100.

Which is why pricing is higher.

My bigger point is that older vintages are not necessarily comparable as suggested in the other post.

I have been tasting since before they sold Eisele sometime in the early 90s. Big variances year to year.
Final score is 96 from Parker. It was a nice note, but that score hurt.

I'm not going to argue with you about the older vintage stuff sitting around. I think Insignia has had minor success since the 95, among which I really only care for the 2001, which reminds me a lot of the 1995.
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#187 Post by Markus S » March 18th, 2016, 5:12 am

PeterH wrote:I long ago noticed that many of the wines offered on WSTO had ratings only by Jonathan Newman, who never rates anything less than 90 points. It's been a joke here for years. Later I discovered that Jonathan Newman was the supplier of many of those wines, and as is alleged in the lawsuit...
Huh? Lawsuit? Against who (or whom): WTSO or Jonathan Newman? First I've heard of this...
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#188 Post by joe d. » March 18th, 2016, 10:08 am

Oops.
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#189 Post by Taylor Broussard » March 18th, 2016, 10:13 am

joe d. wrote:Up now 2013 Terra Valentine Riesling $12 F/S on 6+ CT avg price $33. Any thought ?
Joe, this is actually Last Bottles offer. [cheers.gif]

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#190 Post by Michael Martin » March 18th, 2016, 10:16 am

Markus S wrote:
PeterH wrote:I long ago noticed that many of the wines offered on WSTO had ratings only by Jonathan Newman, who never rates anything less than 90 points. It's been a joke here for years. Later I discovered that Jonathan Newman was the supplier of many of those wines, and as is alleged in the lawsuit...
Huh? Lawsuit? Against who (or whom): WTSO or Jonathan Newman? First I've heard of this...
The post was taken down pretty quick.

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#191 Post by PeterH » March 18th, 2016, 10:47 am

Markus S wrote:
PeterH wrote:I long ago noticed that many of the wines offered on WTSO had ratings only by Jonathan Newman, who never rates anything less than 90 points. It's been a joke here for years. Later I discovered that Jonathan Newman was the supplier of many of those wines, and as is alleged in the lawsuit...
Huh? Lawsuit? Against who (or whom): WTSO or Jonathan Newman? First I've heard of this...
Both. I didn't record anything about the particulars, but a class action suit originating from a group of WTSO customers living in Memphis, TN, is being pursued by a Brooklyn law firm. They claim they were deceived by "regular" prices for wines that never were sold elsewhere at retail. One would have to be born yesterday to believe the suggested retail and lowest web prices quoted. As another poster suggested, and goes for any sale, web or otherwise, Winesearcher and Cellartracker should always be consulted at a minimum.

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#192 Post by joe d. » March 18th, 2016, 10:55 am

Taylor Broussard wrote:
joe d. wrote:Up now 2013 Terra Valentine Riesling $12 F/S on 6+ CT avg price $33. Any thought ?
Joe, this is actually Last Bottles offer. [cheers.gif]
Thanks, gonna have to stop posting sober, i re-posted in the right thread.
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#193 Post by John Morris » March 18th, 2016, 10:58 am

PeterH wrote:
Markus S wrote:
PeterH wrote:I long ago noticed that many of the wines offered on WTSO had ratings only by Jonathan Newman, who never rates anything less than 90 points. It's been a joke here for years. Later I discovered that Jonathan Newman was the supplier of many of those wines, and as is alleged in the lawsuit...
Huh? Lawsuit? Against who (or whom): WTSO or Jonathan Newman? First I've heard of this...
Both. I didn't record anything about the particulars, but a class action suit originating from a group of WTSO customers living in Memphis, TN, is being pursued by a Brooklyn law firm. They claim they were deceived by "regular" prices for wines that never were sold elsewhere at retail. One would have to be born yesterday to believe the suggested retail and lowest web prices quoted. As another poster suggested, and goes for any sale, web or otherwise, Winesearcher and Cellartracker should always be consulted at a minimum.

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#194 Post by Arv R » March 18th, 2016, 1:15 pm

I'm reading the docket now. For those of with BLAW subscriptions, it can be found here

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Personal Property: Fraud

I think its on PACER too.

There are some firms going after a number of retailers for advertising discounts, when the real transaction prices are no where near that. Even Amazon is getting tangled up in this.

I don't buy much from WTSO, but of what I have gotten, I've been generally pleased to the upside, and assume that all the price information is pure puffery. And of course, 'sold out' wines reappear quite regularly, almost every 60 days when I search my inbox. I've only bought stuff that had independent ratings though, and where pricing was more transparent / obvious. It seems like the problems lie mostly with their proprietary imports/house bottling's.

One interesting claim the plaintiffs make is that for some of the proprietary wines offered only by WTSO that they are actually the same, but just with different labels! Plaintiffs include the names of a couple of bulk producers who are supposedly producing them for WTSO. (Those are articles 32 and 33 in the suit)

We'll see how it all shakes out. There seems to more going on than mere PT Barnum carnival barking if it turns out that varying labels/reviews are just being slapped on the same underlying bottles of swill (as the plaintiffs are claiming)
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#195 Post by John Danza » March 19th, 2016, 3:38 am

Arv R wrote:And of course, 'sold out' wines reappear quite regularly, almost every 60 days when I search my inbox.
Actually, I've frequently called them about several items that I've bought from them that I like and ordered when I wanted some more even when not the current offer. One of the things I like about WTSO.

As to the lawsuit, it sounds like some douchebag lawyer found some gullible folks to create plaintiffs just to make some money. Who would have thunk it? Hopefully it doesn't screw the rest of us that like to buy from these folks.
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#196 Post by tommyr » March 19th, 2016, 7:41 am

In response to the controversy surrounding my initial post about a lawsuit my firm and others have filed against WTSO.com, Ashburn Corp. and Jonathan Newman, I tried to make clear that nothing was hidden, that it was, in fact, I who was responsible for the lawsuit. The perception was that I was trolling for clients when that was simply not the case. We have our clients and that's how we were able to bring the class action. Instead, I thought the case would be an interesting discussion topic for several reasons. The idea of a class action is that there are too many consumers with minor claims to litigate individual actions and the class methodology provides an economy to ensure that all affected consumers are protected, whether they know they have been scammed or not.

First, the idea that I would be trolling for clients on Wine Berserkers runs afoul of the fact that those who use this site are the most knowledgeable about the wine world and would be extremely unlikely to fall prey to the scheme we allege. Instead, it is the others, the vast preponderance of wine consumers on the WTSO.com site, who are more likely to fall prey and, of course, it is they who do not read this site, or anything else other than the misrepresented pricing scheme to think they are getting a good deal. As a consequence, simple logic dictates that I didn't post here to obtain clients.

Second, I've spent a full six months of research on the case and it appears that WTSO.com is unique in its fabricated scheme (and please understand that I am not saying that all of the wines offered on the wtso.com site are in issue in the case -- the real wines with significant distribution generally are legitimate). As to the disputed wines, no other site I found came close to the shenanigans employed by the defendants here.

Third, my goal is simply to generate discussion and to learn as much as I can about the wine production system, the wine distribution world, and the wine pricing world, all in the context of gaining a full understanding of the facts of my case as we move forward with litigation. There are certainly members of Wine Berserkers who have a better understanding of the business than I. I do know that there is a stark contrast between the methodologies employed by, for example, Gary Vaynerchuck, Cinderella Wine and Wine Library (overt honesty, it appears on all levels and at times hurts his bottom line if he cricitizes a wine for which Wine Libarary has large holding) and Gary Fisch with his flash offerings (and even of his Go Figure wines, which are honestly portrayed).

Fourth, and most importantly, my goal in this case is to ensure that the violations of law engaged in by the defendants cease and the monies that otherwise would go to WTSO.com are expended instead on reputable purveyors of wine, including each of our local wine stores. WTSO.com generates a staggering amount of revenues, and a lot of that revenue comes from the questionable offerings, with questionable original prices, questionable discounts, and a questionable true discounted price given the fabricated original price. Calling out the defendants in the case can only result in reputable purveyors obtaining a larger sales volume of real wines, with consumers learning to better trust and take the advice of their local wine merchant. This is a long was of saying that wine sales at reputable shops should dramatically increase if we can halt the disreptutable practices. I am not in the wine business, I have no interest in any stores or other sites. I simply wanted, with my post, to generate a range of opinions about the defendants and a discussion about the wine world as it's come to be.

With all of that said, Todd understands the reasons for my post and has given me the go ahead to generate a thread, with the proviso that I explain my position and goals more clearly. I hope I am doing that now. I'm not looking for clients, I won't post the complaint here (it can be found elsewhere), but I would like to enhance my understanding about how your wine world works -- you, the ones who see the scams on various sites and wonder how the wine world can improve, to the tune of honest wine sellers benefiting from increased sales by throwing a monkey wrench into the WTSO.com business plan. Increased revenues for small and experienced shops helps in so many ways, from increased sales to the concomitant ability to offer more interesting wines because their bottom like improves when millions of dollars of hard earned money are properly diverted from WTSO.com to the honest purveyors. That's it: I'm not looking for clients. I'm looking for for as much information I can garner as we move forward, for my continuing education, and with the hope that it is not so mired in deception and misreprentation.


The research thus far has been fun, but incredibly exhausting over the last half year in garnering enough evidence,to propound a valuable and valid factual predicate in going forward.

And, wow, I have some fun stories about Johnathan Newman that I'll divulge if it's appropreate, including his foray into local federal polities long before he became the so-called professional at WTSO.com, as well as his family background and life of leisure.

I remain hopeful that my topic is accepted and approved, and that we can have a reasonable and rational discourse about the issues. Casting light on what we feel to be a violation of the public trust will only result in good and fair results for the industry.

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#197 Post by tommyr » March 19th, 2016, 8:49 am

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Arv R wrote:And of course, 'sold out' wines reappear quite regularly, almost every 60 days when I search my inbox.
Actually, I've frequently called them about several items that I've bought from them that I like and ordered when I wanted some more even when not the current offer. One of the things I like about WTSO.

As to the lawsuit, it sounds like some douchebag lawyer found some gullible folks to create plaintiffs just to make some money. Who would have thunk it? Hopefully it doesn't screw the rest of us that like to buy from these folks.
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#198 Post by cjsavino » March 19th, 2016, 10:55 am

Still seems like trolling for clients.

Also, nobody is being forced to buy wine, like a subscription or like some wine clubs that automatically send out wines. If you don't like the reviewer or price, don't buy it.
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#199 Post by Michael Martin » March 19th, 2016, 1:46 pm

I might have to buy some WTSO today just so the people that don't know any better won't hurt themselves. [snort.gif]

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#200 Post by mike pobega » March 19th, 2016, 4:16 pm

Tommy R, whats the name of your business? I need to make a note to self to stay well clear of you and it.

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