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Re: Official WTSO thread

#401 Post by mattcitrang » March 27th, 2019, 10:34 am

Are you referring to Jonathan H. Newman?

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#402 Post by Bdklein » March 27th, 2019, 11:23 am

mattcitrang wrote:
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Are you referring to Jonathan H. Newman?
Yes but I would trust Alfred E Neuman’s scores more .
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#403 Post by Todd F r e n c h » March 27th, 2019, 11:25 am

John Glas wrote:
March 27th, 2019, 8:48 am
Opera Super Tuscan Toscano Rosso IGT 2015 $12.99 and 98 points from Luca Maroni. That has to be 5 points higher than Suckling. Even if it is 90 points good deal with free shipping. Who was the old guy they used to have that would give out those inflated scores?
Some quick research on this guy shows he's got about a 5 point scale - 95-100 - and apparently retailers are happy to pay him for those ridiculously overhyped scores.
Apparently I'm lazy, have a narrow agenda, and offer little in the way of content and substance (RMP) (and have a "penchant for gossip" -KBI)

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#404 Post by Ted Erfer » March 27th, 2019, 12:06 pm

Todd F r e n c h wrote:
March 27th, 2019, 11:25 am
John Glas wrote:
March 27th, 2019, 8:48 am
Opera Super Tuscan Toscano Rosso IGT 2015 $12.99 and 98 points from Luca Maroni. That has to be 5 points higher than Suckling. Even if it is 90 points good deal with free shipping. Who was the old guy they used to have that would give out those inflated scores?
Some quick research on this guy shows he's got about a 5 point scale - 95-100 - and apparently retailers are happy to pay him for those ridiculously overhyped scores.
Newman was former head of the PA Liquor Control Board (PLCB). He started the "Chairman's Selection" program which is basically what WTSO is. Buy a bunch of wine, put in an inflated "regular" price, reduce the price, put in inflated rating and advertise. It was great for PA -- he did push through a lot of wine.

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#405 Post by Nick Kra Mar Ski » March 27th, 2019, 12:16 pm

Ted Erfer wrote:
March 27th, 2019, 12:06 pm
Todd F r e n c h wrote:
March 27th, 2019, 11:25 am
John Glas wrote:
March 27th, 2019, 8:48 am
Opera Super Tuscan Toscano Rosso IGT 2015 $12.99 and 98 points from Luca Maroni. That has to be 5 points higher than Suckling. Even if it is 90 points good deal with free shipping. Who was the old guy they used to have that would give out those inflated scores?
Some quick research on this guy shows he's got about a 5 point scale - 95-100 - and apparently retailers are happy to pay him for those ridiculously overhyped scores.
Newman was former head of the PA Liquor Control Board (PLCB). He started the "Chairman's Selection" program which is basically what WTSO is. Buy a bunch of wine, put in an inflated "regular" price, reduce the price, put in inflated rating and advertise. It was great for PA -- he did push through a lot of wine.
Had no idea - nice intel

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#406 Post by mattcitrang » March 27th, 2019, 2:01 pm

WTSO has evolved over the years.

Luca Maroni leaves Suckling in the dust when it comes to high scores.

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#407 Post by Eric White » March 27th, 2019, 3:05 pm

mattcitrang wrote:
March 27th, 2019, 2:01 pm
Luca Maroni leaves Suckling in the dust when it comes to high scores.
Good lord, isn't that the truth! I thought James Halliday was bad!

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#408 Post by Edward H. Earles » March 27th, 2019, 4:43 pm

CT community average beats any "professional" taster. Iwinereport and WineCellarInsider are the better choices among the professional reviewers. Within the bigger names, James Molesworth is the only one to whom I pay much attention. He overrates somewhat, but his palate does tend to track mine more closely than those of most other highly-paid reviewers. Luis Gutierriez is pretty good too.

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#409 Post by John Glas » March 27th, 2019, 5:31 pm

John Glas wrote: ↑
Wed Mar 27, 2019 12:48 pm
Opera Super Tuscan Toscano Rosso IGT 2015 $12.99 and 98 points from Luca Maroni. That has to be 5 points higher than Suckling. Even if it is 90 points good deal with free shipping. Who was the old guy they used to have that would give out those inflated scores?
Some quick research on this guy shows he's got about a 5 point scale - 95-100 - and apparently retailers are happy to pay him for those ridiculously overhyped scores.
Yes I have never seen much in the low 90s from this guy. AT $12.99 I have to take a chance on this 98 point Super Tuscan. Actually I had $1.00 left on the credit from the law suite so it was Actually around $12.75 a bottle. Score!

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#410 Post by b. c@stner » March 27th, 2019, 6:30 pm

A little more info on Mr Newman, obviously from his own perspective:

http://newmanwine.com/jonathan-newman/
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#411 Post by John Glas » March 28th, 2019, 6:38 am

93 - James Suckling!
90 - Luca Maroni!
93 Pt. Super Tuscan I Balzini Colli Della Toscana White Label 2013 Sangiovese- Cabernet Blend
Maybe Luca's range is a little more than we thought.

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#412 Post by Jim Marmion » April 3rd, 2019, 10:08 am

Just went in for some of their 2006 Spring Mountain District Eeden Vinyard Cabernet Sauvignon. Up at $35 a pop it looked like real value for a decent cab with some bottle age. However, I've had mixed results with WTSO in the past so any feedback would be appreciated.

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#413 Post by John Glas » April 3rd, 2019, 2:10 pm

2015 Casalforno Opera Rosso Toscana IGT - Italy, Tuscany, Toscana IGT (4/2/2019)
Day 1: I had to try this as Luca Maroni gave this 98 points. Well to no one's surprise this is not even close to 98 points nor did I think it would but if it is a solid 90 win for the price. Nice overall with cherry, spice, floral and dust. A bit sweet on the palate. Certainly drinkable and not bad. 88 points
Day 2: This always exposes these cheap wines. This wine is terrible on day 2. Sweet fruit, dust and some spice. Weak on the palate and finish. Really a wine that should be consumed on the young side. Again 98 points by Luca Maroni is an insult to the great Bordeaux wines from the Left Bank. 80 points (88 points)

Well here is the review for this wine that Luca gave 98 points to. I have 3 more wines to use for neighborhood get togethers. Drinkable on day 1.

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#414 Post by John Glas » April 4th, 2019, 5:03 pm

This wine was even worse today. Not bad on a pop and pour.

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#415 Post by PeterH » April 4th, 2019, 6:04 pm

John Glas wrote:
January 30th, 2019, 11:39 am
2014 Boedecker Cellars Pinot Noir Athena
Under $20 solid Pinot Noir from Oregon!
Boedecker Cellars Athena is up again this evening.
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#416 Post by Bdklein » April 4th, 2019, 6:15 pm

PeterH wrote:
April 4th, 2019, 6:04 pm
John Glas wrote:
January 30th, 2019, 11:39 am
2014 Boedecker Cellars Pinot Noir Athena
Under $20 solid Pinot Noir from Oregon!
Boedecker Cellars Athena is up again this evening.
Thanks. I just bit on this. Needed some non-high end Pinot Noir and with the $2 per bottle credits I have it seemed like a good call.
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#417 Post by John Glas » April 4th, 2019, 6:38 pm

PeterH wrote: ↑
Thu Apr 04, 2019 10:04 pm
John Glas wrote: ↑
Wed Jan 30, 2019 4:39 pm
2014 Boedecker Cellars Pinot Noir Athena
Under $20 solid Pinot Noir from Oregon!
Boedecker Cellars Athena is up again this evening.
Thanks. I just bit on this. Needed some non-high end Pinot Noir and with the $2 per bottle credits I have it seemed like a good call.
The only other Pinot under $20 I like is the Sea Slopes from Fort Ross. You will be ordering again. I just got 4 more but should have gotten 8.

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#418 Post by Edward H. Earles » April 16th, 2019, 11:16 am

Anybody paying attention to their Magnum Marathon? I haven't seen anything I can't live without yet.

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#419 Post by ChadG » April 16th, 2019, 11:34 am

Edward H. Earles wrote:
April 16th, 2019, 11:16 am
Anybody paying attention to their Magnum Marathon? I haven't seen anything I can't live without yet.
Bought some of the Anderson's Conn because I'm a fan. Everything else seems to be the same stuff they have up frequently.
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#420 Post by Bdklein » April 16th, 2019, 11:41 am

Bdklein wrote:
April 4th, 2019, 6:15 pm
PeterH wrote:
April 4th, 2019, 6:04 pm
John Glas wrote:
January 30th, 2019, 11:39 am
2014 Boedecker Cellars Pinot Noir Athena
Under $20 solid Pinot Noir from Oregon!
Boedecker Cellars Athena is up again this evening.
Thanks. I just bit on this. Needed some non-high end Pinot Noir and with the $2 per bottle credits I have it seemed like a good call.
Opened a bottle this past weekend . Wife really liked it .
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#421 Post by Bdklein » April 16th, 2019, 1:57 pm

ChadG wrote:
April 16th, 2019, 11:34 am
Edward H. Earles wrote:
April 16th, 2019, 11:16 am
Anybody paying attention to their Magnum Marathon? I haven't seen anything I can't live without yet.
Bought some of the Anderson's Conn because I'm a fan. Everything else seems to be the same stuff they have up frequently.
I bought the 2015 Right Bank Magnum. Seemed like a good buy
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#422 Post by Jim Marmion » April 16th, 2019, 2:09 pm

Am being tempted by the Amantis Montecucco Sangiovese Riserva 2007. Anybody tried this?

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#423 Post by LeeS » April 16th, 2019, 2:19 pm

Jim Marmion wrote:
April 16th, 2019, 2:09 pm
Am being tempted by the Amantis Montecucco Sangiovese Riserva 2007. Anybody tried this?
I enjoyed it but I'd say it's closer to a 90 than the 95 from Wine Enthusiast.

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#424 Post by mike pobega » April 16th, 2019, 3:21 pm

The 2010 Azienda Virna Di Borgogno Barolo Riserva for $30 was a great deal. Grabbed two, tasted and grabbed 4 more.

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#425 Post by Jay $$ Winton » April 16th, 2019, 3:26 pm

Big boys up now- 3.0 liter
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#426 Post by John Glas » April 21st, 2019, 9:10 am

I will say this about WTSO. No one has better customer service then them! I wish they would bring back the amazing deals of the Clarendon Hills wines.

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#427 Post by AlexS » April 21st, 2019, 9:39 am

Had some WTSO shipments arrive, here's a couple winners:

Côte de Beaune Monopole 2017 Domaine Cauvard Les Monts Battois $22.99 13%
Les Vins de Vienne Cornas Les Barcillants 2016 $32.99 13%

They both really exceeded expectations, very above average for WTSO.
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#428 Post by AlexS » April 21st, 2019, 9:40 am

Should also add that the regular 2014 Liparita Napa Cab is pretty good too.
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#429 Post by Albert R » April 21st, 2019, 9:59 am

Thanks Alex. I have been wondering about the Liparita since its been on a few times over the past couple of months. They must have purchased a big lot.
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#430 Post by Jay $$ Winton » April 21st, 2019, 10:14 am

A DC pal said he's getting charged sales tax but I'm still not in MD. I imagine that will change soon. BTW, the Benjamin Farjon Côtes du Rhône Villages 2016 Plan de Dieu Product ID: (86005) is excellent at $13.99. Case worthy purchase.
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#431 Post by cjsadler » April 23rd, 2019, 9:52 am

Torii Mor 2015 "Reserve Selection" Pinot Noir up now for $15. I've been to the winery before and enjoyed some of their pinots. This "reserve selection" seems to not exist elsewhere, though, which makes me very skeptical.
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#432 Post by PeterH » April 23rd, 2019, 11:27 am

cjsadler wrote:
April 23rd, 2019, 9:52 am
Torii Mor 2015 "Reserve Selection" Pinot Noir up now for $15. I've been to the winery before and enjoyed some of their pinots. This "reserve selection" seems to not exist elsewhere, though, which makes me very skeptical.
Almost certainly surplus wine bottled specifically for WTSO. I think it is a fair assumption that Torii Mor kept the best wines for normal bottlings. That is an assumption that always has to be made with "by a prestige label", or "by a famous wine maker". The wine could still be an OK deal.
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#433 Post by James Lyon » April 24th, 2019, 8:52 am

PeterH wrote:
April 23rd, 2019, 11:27 am
cjsadler wrote:
April 23rd, 2019, 9:52 am
Torii Mor 2015 "Reserve Selection" Pinot Noir up now for $15. I've been to the winery before and enjoyed some of their pinots. This "reserve selection" seems to not exist elsewhere, though, which makes me very skeptical.
Almost certainly surplus wine bottled specifically for WTSO. I think it is a fair assumption that Torii Mor kept the best wines for normal bottlings. That is an assumption that always has to be made with "by a prestige label", or "by a famous wine maker". The wine could still be an OK deal.
Interesting because the WTSO technical specs for the WV Reserve Selection matched the Torii Mor website specs for the regular WV. I'm sure that it was probably a cut and paste job on WTSO's part. Casemates had the 2015 Torii Mor WV for $13.50 per bottle shipped with a case purchase about 6-8 weeks ago.

If I remember correctly, 2014 and 2015 were bountiful harvests in Oregon, so I'm not surprised by the numerous WTSO Oregon PN offerings the last few months, but I wonder if something else is going on at Torii Mor.

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#434 Post by Eric White » April 24th, 2019, 11:44 am

Buty Winery Rockgarden Estate Walla Walla Valley Red Blend 2014 'Rediviva of the Stones' up now for $23 bucks, seems like a hellova deal

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#435 Post by ChrisMcElligott » April 24th, 2019, 3:40 pm

Eric White wrote:
April 24th, 2019, 11:44 am
Buty Winery Rockgarden Estate Walla Walla Valley Red Blend 2014 'Rediviva of the Stones' up now for $23 bucks, seems like a hellova deal
I agree, solid, dependable producer. I snagged 3. Prob should ve bought mire.

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#436 Post by Carlton McCrindle » May 20th, 2019, 9:36 am

Calla Lily Audax Napa Valley Cabernet Sauvignon 2013 up today- any experience with this wine?

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#437 Post by Bdklein » June 7th, 2019, 8:14 am

Bought this. Hope ok.

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#438 Post by mattcitrang » June 7th, 2019, 8:17 am

this has been offered several times before. It's not bad for a $30 bottle of GC rose bubbles.

Just ordered more myself.

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#439 Post by Bdklein » June 7th, 2019, 8:21 am

mattcitrang wrote:
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this has been offered several times before. It's not bad for a $30 bottle of GC rose bubbles.

Just ordered more myself.
Ok thanks . The $2 credit per bottle helps too. And the fact that you used the phrase “just ordered more” sounds good to me.

Where would you put this on the fruity vs dry scale ?
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#440 Post by Mike Ott » June 7th, 2019, 11:31 am

Gioso Barolo DOCG 2014 by Giorgio Sordo Anyone familiar w/this Barolo label?

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#441 Post by mattcitrang » June 7th, 2019, 12:36 pm

Bdklein wrote:
June 7th, 2019, 8:21 am
mattcitrang wrote:
June 7th, 2019, 8:17 am
this has been offered several times before. It's not bad for a $30 bottle of GC rose bubbles.

Just ordered more myself.
Ok thanks . The $2 credit per bottle helps too. And the fact that you used the phrase “just ordered more” sounds good to me.

Where would you put this on the fruity vs dry scale ?
Opening one this evening. Will report.

Missed the the WTSO offer, was distracted by a PYCM Rose’ offer.

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#442 Post by Jim Marmion » June 10th, 2019, 8:59 am

I've been looking for some everyday Saint-Emilion I can pop open without feeling indulgent.

Chateau Capet Duverger 2015 is looking tempting at $19.99 - but earlier experiences with WTSO make me a tad cautious.

Anybody have experience of this wine?

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#443 Post by Nick F. » June 22nd, 2019, 7:08 am

Vivino deal

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#444 Post by rsmithjr » June 26th, 2019, 10:20 am

2013 Bouchaine Carneros Pinot Noir 14.99

Interesting no notes on 2013 Vintage in Cellartracker. Prince of Pinot had the 2013 written up as unreleased (in 2014) and as "outstanding" no score. So for $ 52 I am trying 4.
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#445 Post by John Glas » June 26th, 2019, 3:46 pm

Buty Winery Rockgarden Estate Walla Walla Valley Red Blend 2014 'Rediviva of the Stones' up now for $23 bucks, seems like a hellova deal
Just in Walla Walla and anything from the rocks area is going to be great. Love the Syrah's and blends that I tasted on the trip. Will have to look for the Buty in the future.

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#446 Post by Jay $$ Winton » June 27th, 2019, 7:59 am

Just used the last of my $2pb credits. Deadline is August 18, btw
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#447 Post by rsmithjr » July 18th, 2019, 3:01 pm

4- Boedecker PN Athena 2014, at 19 ea. got 3 bux off coupon
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#448 Post by John Glas » July 18th, 2019, 3:30 pm

[quote4- Boedecker PN Athena 2014, at 19 ea. got 3 bux off coupon][/quote]
Boedecker under $20 is a great deal. Solid producer. Enjoy.

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#449 Post by Jay $$ Winton » July 18th, 2019, 4:27 pm

Lots of Brunello in Platinum.
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#450 Post by Nick F. » July 18th, 2019, 4:54 pm

Have not had good experiences with brunello from wtso

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