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#101 Post by John O' » March 10th, 2017, 3:20 am

2005 Domaine Thomas-Moillard Vosne-Romanée 1er Cru Les Beaux Monts CT 84
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Nose, closet floor, color burgundy, taste like dirt, touch of oak, only redeeming factor, its flat, easy to drink and forget
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#102 Post by Tim Heaton » March 10th, 2017, 3:32 am

John O' wrote:2005 Domaine Thomas-Moillard Vosne-Romanée 1er Cru Les Beaux Monts CT 84
Just 1 review:
Nose, closet floor, color burgundy, taste like dirt, touch of oak, only redeeming factor, its flat, easy to drink and forget
clearly that is someone elses's 99 points! :)
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#103 Post by BrianMarshall » March 10th, 2017, 3:51 am

Robert Alfert, Jr. wrote:2013 Domaine Guion Bourgueil Cuvée Prestige
1/3/2016 - TINAVV WROTE: 80 Points
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I don't know how you drink that stuff :)
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#104 Post by D@vid Bu3ker » March 10th, 2017, 4:14 am

2003 ESJ Los Robles Viejos (white) 83 points.

Of course the note for the 83 point score says "yum."
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#105 Post by PCLIN » March 10th, 2017, 4:19 am

2002 Joseph Drouhin Chambertin Clos de Beze - 84 pts.
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#106 Post by Sean Malloy » March 10th, 2017, 4:57 am

Ha. Fun thread. 2011 Row Eleven Pinot Noir Russian River Valley. 79.5 in two scores. No notes, but I can imagine...this was a gift and will be outed next week on Bad Wine Wednesday.

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#107 Post by Mike Evans » March 10th, 2017, 5:19 am

Mine include:
1997 Gangloff Cote Rotie - 50 points
2005 Luneau-Papin Excelsior Clos des Noelles - 60 points
1997 Joguet Chene Vert - 71 points
1995 McDowell Valley Vineyards Syrah - 74 points
2009 Patricia Green PN Mysterious - 75 points
2013 Les Vins Contés (Olivier Lemasson) Cheville de Fer - 79 points

I've had many of these and couldn't disagree more.

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#108 Post by Rich Brown » March 10th, 2017, 6:27 am

2001 Nova Wines Merlot, Norma Jeane (Marilyn Monroe series wines) - 70 points

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#109 Post by A. So » March 10th, 2017, 7:18 am

50 points. It wasn't even rated by me!
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#110 Post by John Morris » March 10th, 2017, 7:24 am

Mike Evans wrote:Mine include:
1997 Gangloff Cote Rotie - 50 points
2005 Luneau-Papin Excelsior Clos des Noelles - 60 points
1997 Joguet Chene Vert - 71 points
1995 McDowell Valley Vineyards Syrah - 74 points
2009 Patricia Green PN Mysterious - 75 points
2013 Les Vins Contés (Olivier Lemasson) Cheville de Fer - 79 points

I've had many of these and couldn't disagree more.
How many scores were there for each? It's very hard to get averages that low if more than one or two people score a wine. The average inevitably drifts toward the mean for all wines, which, as I recall, is in the high 80s or 90-ish.
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#111 Post by C. Mc Cart » March 10th, 2017, 8:11 am

2004 Faiveley Nuits St. Georges 1er Cru Les Porêts Saint-Georges has a CT score of 83. I admit I took a flyer on it as it was very inexpensive when I bought and was worth the risk to me.

Of all the scores in CT however the lowest I've seen for a bottle in my cellar is John Gilman's score for the 2000 Beaucastel. A 72.
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#112 Post by Mike Evans » March 10th, 2017, 8:53 am

John Morris wrote:
Mike Evans wrote:Mine include:
1997 Gangloff Cote Rotie - 50 points
2005 Luneau-Papin Excelsior Clos des Noelles - 60 points
1997 Joguet Chene Vert - 71 points
1995 McDowell Valley Vineyards Syrah - 74 points
2009 Patricia Green PN Mysterious - 75 points
2013 Les Vins Contés (Olivier Lemasson) Cheville de Fer - 79 points

I've had many of these and couldn't disagree more.
How many scores were there for each? It's very hard to get averages that low if more than one or two people score a wine. The average inevitably drifts toward the mean for all wines, which, as I recall, is in the high 80s or 90-ish.
1 note with a low score for the Gangloff, PG, and Lemasson, a positive note with no score and a negative note with a low score on the L-P, two notes with scores on the McDowell (the 74 is an average of my 88 and another user's 60), and 1 score with no note on the Joguet.

I have a number of other wines with CT scores under 85, but many of them are "natural" wines with a couple of low scores and a number of positive notes without scores. That doesn't surprise me, as I've long found a significant overlap between fans of "natural" wines and people who are opposed to giving numerical scores. I was in that camp for a very long time, and still don't pretend that my scores are scientific or replicable.

I started giving scores for two reasons. First, as a shorthand reminder of approximately how much I enjoyed the wines. Second, to offset in part the tendency of CT scores to skew low for a lot of wines I like because others who also like those wines tend not to give numerical scores.

I use the same metric for assigning all scores, so I don't score lower or higher to influence the CT average. But my metric is just a purely subjective "what number comes to mind when drinking this wine" and isn't based on any kind of objective criteria, so my scores are skewed by my preferences and I'm perfectly happy with that. I think my scale is much more honest than those who purport to be rating on some kind of objective absolute quality. I'm tolerant of brett and VA and intolerant of prominent oak but my tolerance to wood varies based on the savoriness and fruit character of a wine. Everyone else has similar kinds of preferences, and often they are the opposite of mine except when they happen to overlap. I still find CT scores that are accompanied by notes to have some utility as one of many data points to consider when deciding whether to buy a wine.

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#113 Post by Kirk.Grant » March 11th, 2017, 4:28 am

Kirk.Grant wrote:A 375ml of 2007 Nicolas Potel Morey St. Denis...84 points.
Now it's: N.V. Germano Ettore Langhe Nebbiolo Rosanna Rosé Brut (87 points...and served at Piazza Duomo. I'm surprised that this was scored so low by someone. I guess it goes to show that part of an experience can raise your impression. I know I loved it in the restaurant and was underwhelmed when I drank my first bottle that I shipped home.
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#114 Post by John A Hunt » March 11th, 2017, 7:28 am

From the bottom:


2014 Ancient Peaks Zinfandel Paso Robles Santa Margarita Ranch 83 points; one review.

We bought an assortment after visiting the vineyards/winery/ranch. The visit was terrific, and we remain Renegade fans.


2005 Cameron Hughes Cabernet Sauvignon Lot 34 Rutherford 84.8 points 50% like it of 2 votes. 50 reviews.

I have two of them.


The third lowest I bought yesterday:

2011 Faiveley Bourgogne Pinot Noir 86 points 78% like it

I don't check CT before buying; at $15 the risk seemed minimal. The one I opened last night seemed ok.

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#115 Post by Rich Salsano » March 11th, 2017, 10:22 am

2004 Kent Rasmussen Petit Verdot

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#116 Post by Michael Heinrich » March 11th, 2017, 10:29 am

Scores below 80:
2007 Chateau Contin St. Emilion Grand Cru at CT76 and
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#117 Post by Joe S. » March 11th, 2017, 3:22 pm

A. So wrote:50 points. It wasn't even rated by me!
The 2nd 50 pointer in this thread. Isn't this like the worst a wine could score, i.e. it is just undrinkable, nasty, nasty stuff?
- Use it to remove varnish off your boat type wine?
- Keep it in your garage, not your wine cellar wine?
- Use it to clean Mark B.'s toilet?

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#118 Post by Tom Reddick » March 11th, 2017, 7:47 pm

Now this is a cool idea for a thread.

Mine is 2014 Domaine Thomas Morey Chassagne-Montrachet 1er Cru Dent de Chien. I do not do 100 point scores, I use Broadent's 5 star rating system, so my score is not factored in- but there was one review listed with a score of 84 points.

I can see that for someone who is not familiar with the very singular personality of Dent de Chien- but for my part I found the wine quite good and in need of some cellar time (though it will always be Dent de Chien- and sufficiently unique that someone with a good palate could well love or hate it.)
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#119 Post by crickey » March 11th, 2017, 8:49 pm

I haven't figured out if the idea is the lowest overall score or the lowest single score. I don't know how to search for the latter. The lowest overall in my cellar is the 2012 Pax Giffin's Lair at 83. I assume the lowest single score would be something around 60 by So/Levenberg for a CNdP.

Thinking about my own approach, I wonder if CT has a bias to higher scores. I drink plenty of crappy wine I don't bother scoring.
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#120 Post by David Glasser » March 12th, 2017, 8:15 pm

2010 Ch Rochemorin, 86.8 points. A nice little early-drinking Pessac with good typicity and a great QPR. A Marc Frontario recommendation. Not quite great but very pleasing. I'd give it an 88 if I were scoring. To me that's a very good wine.

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#121 Post by A. Mishaan » January 7th, 2019, 9:39 am

Stumbled on this thread and took a look. I don't know if this counts, but: NV Bedell Raspberry -- 60 points from a single scorer

I really can't imagine when I would ever open that.

Surprisingly, next lowest (looking at just the CT score) is 2013 Remoissenet Père et Fils Gevrey-Chambertin 1er Cru Poissenot at 85 points.
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#122 Post by BenW » January 7th, 2019, 10:08 am

Not a particularly low score but my lowest is 2012 Yarra Yering Shiraz Underhill (CT 87 points)

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#123 Post by Dennis Atick » January 7th, 2019, 10:10 am

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#124 Post by Jeremy C » January 7th, 2019, 10:49 am

2008 Deutz Champagne Amour de Deutz Rosé -- 82 points (though Brad Baker says 88-90)

And after that, Bueker sunk the battleship on 2014 Rhys Pinot Noir Swan Terrace with his 75 for an average of 84.5
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#125 Post by Mark Y » January 7th, 2019, 11:04 am

A bunch of them have no scores.. but lowest is a birthyear.
1979 Mouton Rothschild - 88.8

I'll live with that..
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#126 Post by scott c » January 7th, 2019, 11:13 am

Interesting to take a fresh look at this after a few years. The two lowest wines in my cellar now are both head-scratchers:

1) 2009 Clotaire Michal St. Joseph - Raj Parr told me this particular wine is great. Not to get into a debate over his cred, but it should certainly be better than a 74.3 average would indicate!

2) 1993 Domaine Georges Mugneret-Gibourg Echezeaux - WTF? (78, but from only a single note)
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#127 Post by crickey » January 7th, 2019, 11:32 am

Jeremy C wrote:
January 7th, 2019, 10:49 am
2008 Deutz Champagne Amour de Deutz Rosé -- 82 points (though Brad Baker says 88-90)

And after that, Bueker sunk the battleship on 2014 Rhys Pinot Noir Swan Terrace with his 75 for an average of 84.5
I don't understand the average score on that Rhys. I have the same bottle (and it's my lowest scoring if you ignore the unrated wines), and the 75 is the only score I see. Where did the 84.5 come from? Did it somehow include the 93-94 score Loren gave his bottle in the tasting note itself?
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#128 Post by Jeremy C » January 7th, 2019, 11:57 am

crickey wrote:
January 7th, 2019, 11:32 am
Jeremy C wrote:
January 7th, 2019, 10:49 am
2008 Deutz Champagne Amour de Deutz Rosé -- 82 points (though Brad Baker says 88-90)

And after that, Bueker sunk the battleship on 2014 Rhys Pinot Noir Swan Terrace with his 75 for an average of 84.5
I don't understand the average score on that Rhys. I have the same bottle (and it's my lowest scoring if you ignore the unrated wines), and the 75 is the only score I see. Where did the 84.5 come from? Did it somehow include the 93-94 score Loren gave his bottle in the tasting note itself?
Just below Bueker's note is one where the person scored it 94 (with no accompanying note).
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#129 Post by crickey » January 7th, 2019, 12:18 pm

Yeah, I don't see that. And since I don't even know how to block people, I don't know why I wouldn't see it.
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#130 Post by Mark Y » January 7th, 2019, 12:38 pm

crickey wrote:
January 7th, 2019, 12:18 pm
Yeah, I don't see that. And since I don't even know how to block people, I don't know why I wouldn't see it.
u have the setting set as show only score/notes (or ignore score only notes)..
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#131 Post by bretrooks » January 7th, 2019, 12:44 pm

Fun to revisit this a few years later. My current lowest is this sauternes at 82:

2015 Château Haut-Bergeron L'Ilot de Haut Bergeron

I'd probably put it more in the mid-high 80's if I was scoring, but I do so infrequently these days...
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Yeah, I don't see that. And since I don't even know how to block people, I don't know why I wouldn't see it.
There's a setting to show/not show noteless scores - see the "Note Display Settings" link underneath the median score listing on a wine's page for the toggle.
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#132 Post by D@vid Bu3ker » January 7th, 2019, 12:53 pm

Jeremy C wrote:
January 7th, 2019, 10:49 am
2008 Deutz Champagne Amour de Deutz Rosé -- 82 points (though Brad Baker says 88-90)

And after that, Bueker sunk the battleship on 2014 Rhys Pinot Noir Swan Terrace with his 75 for an average of 84.5
Turns out I do not like Swan Terrace, despite begin a big Rhys fan. I have had negative reactions to other vintages as well, just without the vindictive score!
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#133 Post by Brian Tuite » January 7th, 2019, 12:53 pm

2006 Faively Mercurey 1er Cru Clos du Roy 84.5
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#134 Post by Jeremy C » January 7th, 2019, 1:06 pm

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D@vid Bu3ker wrote:
January 7th, 2019, 12:53 pm
Jeremy C wrote:
January 7th, 2019, 10:49 am
2008 Deutz Champagne Amour de Deutz Rosé -- 82 points (though Brad Baker says 88-90)

And after that, Bueker sunk the battleship on 2014 Rhys Pinot Noir Swan Terrace with his 75 for an average of 84.5
Turns out I do not like Swan Terrace, despite begin a big Rhys fan. I have had negative reactions to other vintages as well, just without the vindictive score!
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#135 Post by Michael Martin » January 7th, 2019, 1:07 pm

2016 Bedrock Wine Co. Riesling Zweiter Zweieiiger Zwilling 88.3

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#136 Post by Mike Evans » January 7th, 2019, 1:15 pm

Mike Evans wrote:
May 31st, 2013, 7:49 pm
About 150 wines have no community score, but the lowest are 2005 Luneau-Papin Excelsior Clos des Noelles at 60 points, 1997 Joguet Cheney Vert at 71 points, and 2010 Puzelat KO at 74 points. I'm not concerned about any of these scores.
Updating this, I now have more than 250 wines without scores, the Luneau-Papin and Joguet are still at the bottom and the 2010 Puzelat is now an 89. Newer additions at the bottom include 2009 Patricia Green Cellars Pinot Noir Mysterious at 75 points and 1998 Domaine Gramenon Côtes du Rhône Villages Les Laurentides and 2013 Les Vins Contés (Olivier Lemasson) Cheville de Fer at 79 points. I’m still not even remotely concerned about any of these scores.

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#137 Post by Brandon R » January 7th, 2019, 1:36 pm

2013 Domaine Sylvain Langoureau Bourgogne Hautes-Côtes de Beaune Clos Marc at 84 points
2013 Bodegas Olivares Monastrell Altos de la Hoya Finca Hoya de Santa Ana Jumilla at 85.1 points
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#138 Post by JFPelletier » January 7th, 2019, 3:00 pm

2014 Rhys Pinot Swan Terrace 84.5
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#139 Post by dsimmons » January 7th, 2019, 3:05 pm

2005 Frédéric Magnien Mercurey
2004 Domaine Henri Gouges Nuits St. Georges 1er Cru Les Pruliers

My experience with these wines is consistent with the low scores. Just keep hoping time will help... not likely though.
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#140 Post by Sc0tt F!tzger@ld » January 7th, 2019, 3:13 pm

2014 Rhys Swan Terrace is lowest in my cellar too. Glad that Buek took 2 for the team and threw the red card, but now I’m super bummed. [cry.gif]
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#141 Post by CJ Beazley » January 7th, 2019, 3:24 pm

Community Tasting Notes (average 78.4 pts. and median of 80 pts. in 29 notes)
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#142 Post by Michael O'Brien » January 7th, 2019, 4:06 pm

My three lowest CT scored wines are all from the Finger Lakes region. The lowest three are:
2015 Hermann J. Wiemer Extra Brut - 85 points
2014 Ravines Wine Cellars Cabernet Franc - 86.7 points
2015 Heron Hill Vineyards Riesling Reserve - 87 points
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#143 Post by Sebastian C. » January 7th, 2019, 4:11 pm

2001 Faiveley Corton-Clos des Cortons Faiveley 70pts
2007 Domaine Robert Sirugue Vosne-Romanée Vieilles Vignes 72 Pts
2010 Caymus Cabernet Sauvignon 75 pts

Probably too generous with the first two.
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#144 Post by Josh Grossman » January 7th, 2019, 5:52 pm

2016 Château Thivin Côte de Brouilly Cuvée Godefroy
"GABROWNS DOES NOT LIKE THIS WINE: 70 Points
Young, reminiscent of the marketing triumph that is DeBoeuf. If somebody offered it, we wouldn’t turn it down, but there seems no reason to go looking for it. Seems unlikely to age well."

I'm pretty sure it will age wonderfully though and the next review I'm sure will be fine.

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#145 Post by Mattstolz » January 7th, 2019, 6:27 pm

this makes me feel pretty good about my choices. My lowest is a Anne Gros & Jean-Paul Tollot 50/50: 88.8

previous lowest was 86 Tenuta Silvio Nardi Brunello 2011. Its now an 86.8 because I disagreed wholeheartedly and rated it a solid 91

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Re: Your lowest Cellartracker Scored Wine in Your Cellar

#146 Post by Andrew Demaree » January 7th, 2019, 6:58 pm

2009 Château Paveil de Luze (Margaux) - 86 pts.

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Re: Your lowest Cellartracker Scored Wine in Your Cellar

#147 Post by Mike Evans » January 7th, 2019, 7:04 pm

Andrew Demaree wrote:
January 7th, 2019, 6:58 pm
2009 Château Paveil de Luze (Margaux) - 86 pts.
This inspired me to check and I have 45 wines where the CT average is under 86. I even agree with a few of them, but for the most part they are for wines I look forward to drinking.

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Re: Your lowest Cellartracker Scored Wine in Your Cellar

#148 Post by maureen nelson » January 7th, 2019, 7:24 pm

Mine is 1999 Grivot VR Reignots at 74. But that is based on one note from someone who doesn’t appear to be much of a burg drinker so why should i give any credence to his views?

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Re: Your lowest Cellartracker Scored Wine in Your Cellar

#149 Post by Alex N » January 7th, 2019, 9:27 pm

I only put ratings on CT for wines I do a little splurging for (mostly $50 and up unless it knocks my socks off). I rarely find any value in scoring or reading scores for a $10-15 bottle of wine. My lowest was around 80 but everything else is between 89-97. CT could easily add a formula to lessen the weight of unfair scores via user interaction (similar to the "did you find this review helpful" link) by allowing people to up and down vote scores, up and down vote reviewers, applying weight to users with a longer history of rating wines and upvotes, number of ratings, several things. I do prefer reading CT notes over individual RP, WS, JD and professional critics with mostly one voice, and it's easy enough to pick out the unfair or uneducated ones on CT.
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Re: Your lowest Cellartracker Scored Wine in Your Cellar

#150 Post by Steve Brickley » January 7th, 2019, 9:52 pm

75 points

2001 Viña Santa Rita Sémillon Late Harvest D.O. Valle del Maipo
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