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#1 Post by Michael Martin » May 31st, 2013, 5:48 pm

90 - 95% of my Cellartracker wines are over 90, but then today I took a flyer on a Four Vines Truant. Should of looked it up before buying. It comes in at an 80. New all time low. champagne.gif

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#2 Post by PaulMills » May 31st, 2013, 6:25 pm

I have one of those 70 point Hedges wines in my cellar. "A light bodied wine with almost no flavor profile. Maybe lemon water. Unpleasant chalky finish." Morning dew, yum.

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#3 Post by SteveC » May 31st, 2013, 6:36 pm

Lots not rated, the lowest is ...

68.5 - 1993 Robert Ampeau & Fils Auxey-Duresses 1er Cru Les Ecusseaux

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#4 Post by mike pobega » May 31st, 2013, 7:02 pm

2008 Kale Wines Syrah Samantha's Vineyard (USA, California, Sonoma County, Russian River Valley) RR92, CT85.3
I thought it at least a 90. Bought 3 more after I had it.

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#5 Post by SteveC » May 31st, 2013, 7:39 pm

Herein lies the problem with CT average scores ...

Here is the 50pt review ...

Nose of Clorox mixed with stewed roadkill, palate with the taste and consistency of diluted baby food. Are you kidding me? I keep telling myself never to buy aged Burgundy, because it's either ex-Domaine swill that didn't sell on release, or stuff that used to be good until it was stored next to the furnace in grandpa's condo for fifteen years... this is the former, so don't complain to me I should have marked it "flawed".

Here is Jeremy Holmes' review (with no score). ...
Some barnyard, sous bois and smoked meats to the aroma. The tannins have all but folded into the wine's sweet vinosity but there's still a kiss of minerally acidity. Certainly no 'vin de guarde' but really quite tasty and ready to go.

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#6 Post by Jonathan Grunzweig » May 31st, 2013, 7:43 pm

Interesting exercise. I have two 83s, each gifts: 2005 Shadow Canyon Cellars Syrah & 1999 Sartori di Verona Amarone, but am surprised to see them followed by 84 points for a 6-back of 2011 Haut-Bailly Rose I'm very much looking forward to trying. Not a statistically significant 84 (4 notes) but ups the ante when I pop one.

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#7 Post by Mike Evans » May 31st, 2013, 7:49 pm

About 150 wines have no community score, but the lowest are 2005 Luneau-Papin Excelsior Clos des Noelles at 60 points, 1997 Joguet Cheney Vert at 71 points, and 2010 Puzelat KO at 74 points. I'm not concerned about any of these scores.

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#8 Post by Alan Rath » May 31st, 2013, 8:06 pm

Here's my lowest:

2007 Domaine Monier St. Joseph Terre Blanche - France, Rhône, Northern Rhône, St. Joseph (11/15/2009)
Nose is not a good start, instant horse barn, not much else. Palate, if possible, is worse. Seems like it might be OK initially, with some dark fruit, but then a wave of acidity kicks in, not tartness, just a sickening acidity, like a bad belch that leaves the taste of stomach acid. A Kermit Lynch bottle that looked interesting in the store, but should have been dumped overboard on the Atlantic crossing.

Night 2: well the barnyard is gone (not sure how), left with some aroma of bad sweet pickels. Palat is unchanged, a core of dark fruit, but wrapped in a very unappealing acidity, I can't tell if this is somehow bacterially spoiled, or if this the way the wine is supposed to be. Oh, BTW, being biodynamically farmed didn't help this wine one bit ;) (76 pts.)

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#9 Post by P@u1_M3nk3s » May 31st, 2013, 8:20 pm

I've got a 75 point 2010 Kermit Lynch Monferato. I rated it "Very Good". On the QPR scale Outstanding in light of the seven dollar price tag.
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#10 Post by P@u1_M3nk3s » May 31st, 2013, 8:23 pm

Alan Rath wrote:Here's my lowest:

2007 Domaine Monier St. Joseph Terre Blanche - France, Rhône, Northern Rhône, St. Joseph (11/15/2009)
Nose is not a good start, instant horse barn, not much else. Palate, if possible, is worse. Seems like it might be OK initially, with some dark fruit, but then a wave of acidity kicks in, not tartness, just a sickening acidity, like a bad belch that leaves the taste of stomach acid. A Kermit Lynch bottle that looked interesting in the store, but should have been dumped overboard on the Atlantic crossing.

Night 2: well the barnyard is gone (not sure how), left with some aroma of bad sweet pickels. Palat is unchanged, a core of dark fruit, but wrapped in a very unappealing acidity, I can't tell if this is somehow bacterially spoiled, or if this the way the wine is supposed to be. Oh, BTW, being biodynamically farmed didn't help this wine one bit ;) (76 pts.)

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#11 Post by RogerHarui » May 31st, 2013, 9:16 pm

2008 Dois Irmãos Winery Pinot Noir. 82pt avg. Surprise, surprise. I didn't realize I had any of these left.

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#12 Post by Steve Anderson » May 31st, 2013, 9:24 pm

Shocked to see mine at CT77 for the 2010 TOR Kenward Durell Vyd Wente Clone Chard. I've enjoyed each TOR chard I've tried, but have not tried this one yet. 77, 75 and 94 from three separate posters. Hope my experience matches the latter.

My second is the 2009 Bedrock RRV Zin at 81.9. I fully concur with that one, as it is the only one of 89 (yikes) Bedrock bottles I've consumed that has not been a pleasure to drink and was downright undrinkable. My private CT note: "Awful; stewed fruit and pickled apples. Poured down drain."

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#13 Post by cbehensky » May 31st, 2013, 9:32 pm

2007 Chronicle Pinot Noir Sonoma Coast. CT avg is 84.8, but I'd rate the two bottles I've had in the low to mid 70's. Trying to find some reason to open my remaining two bottles, but just don't ever feel like subjecting myself to it again. Yuck!
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#14 Post by Scott E. Wade » May 31st, 2013, 9:35 pm

2004 Jadot Echezeaux. Survey says 85.7.

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#15 Post by Larry P » May 31st, 2013, 9:36 pm

Mine are both Livermore wines. Not even sure when these were bought, but if I'm responsible I'm sure I wasn't the one driving. Actually the McGrail is pretty well respected around here...

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#16 Post by James Hochleutner » May 31st, 2013, 10:33 pm

I have a few 2004 Chateau Charmant rated an 83. I think it is a solid 88+ and a great weekday wine. I have also been told they were recently purchased by Chateau Margaux and the vineyards will be part of future Pavillion Rouge offerings. I would love if anyone could verify this info. Heck I think this wine is good.

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#17 Post by Tom Moore » May 31st, 2013, 10:41 pm

69 for 2001 Paraiso Vineyards Pinot Noir Late Harvest. Xmas gift time. I hope you are not the recipient!

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#18 Post by Roger Nellans » June 1st, 2013, 3:25 am

1950 Ch Belair (Dubois-Challon) -60 pts. I'm sure it's better than that.
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#19 Post by Scott Brunson » June 1st, 2013, 3:39 am

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2011 Cristom Pinot Gris Estate (83.5 points but no tasting notes...idiots) I disagree
2011 Saint-Cosme Vin de Table Français Little James' Basket Press (83.5 points which I think is generous) I have five bottles and plan to use them to braise.
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#20 Post by J a y H a c k » June 1st, 2013, 3:53 am

2000 Oriel Cabernet Sauvignon VQM. 80.3 pts on six reviews, but two from the same guy. Would have been lower but one guy gave it an 84.
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#21 Post by MarkW » June 1st, 2013, 4:17 am

2005 Bordeaux D'Estournel, Avg 74.1, a couple of the reviews are pretty entertaining.
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#22 Post by Daniel Hall » June 1st, 2013, 5:32 am

1989 Château Soucherie Coteaux du Layon CT avg 71.5 champagne.gif

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#23 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » June 1st, 2013, 6:06 am

1965 Ch. Mouton Rothschild.

One score from a guy I've never heard of . . . .
10/12/2008 - KEITH LEVENBERG WROTE: 69 Points
The American Artists with Baroness Philippine de Rothschild (Del Posto): "A terrible year, a disaster all year round," says Xavier. Hopes that this might turn into a pleasant surprise like the '74 are quickly dashed. Smells liike a cobwebbed attic; has some up-front sweetness and hasn't broken up, but there's no pleasure to be found here. I guess it's a testament to the quality of Mouton's raw materials that a wine from so atrocious a vintage would still be alive, but that's about all you can say for it.
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#24 Post by mike pobega » June 1st, 2013, 6:20 am

Roger Nellans wrote:1950 Ch Belair (Dubois-Challon) -60 pts. I'm sure it's better than that.

Just my opinion, but wines older than 15-20 years old should not be scored with points.

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#25 Post by T. Melloni » June 1st, 2013, 7:01 am

My lowest two were both gifts.
One is a 2010 Chateau Grimard Bordeaux, with a 77.8 CT avg score and 3 ratings.
Second is a 2008 Channing Daughters Chardonnay Scuttleholewith a 78.7 CT avg score and 3 ratings.

The lowest one purchased is 2009 Bedrock Wine Co. Zinfandel Russian River Valley. I thought it was flawed, as did many others. Some apparently enjoyed it. With 30 notes, it has an 81.9 CT avg rating.
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#26 Post by Virgil Caine » June 1st, 2013, 7:03 am

2008 Willamette Valley Vineyards PN Founder's Reserve, 83.6 points community average.

Some pretty harsh reviews drag the rating down. The bottle I opened was totally inoffensive and actually bordered on the enjoyable. Didn't rate at the time, but would feel comfortable giving it at least an 85.

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#27 Post by Mark C » June 1st, 2013, 7:22 am

2007 Château Pesquié Côtes du Ventoux Blanc Quintessence - 84.3 with only 6 TNs. I’ve only had one bottle and didn’t record a note but I do remember liking it and finding it interesting. Filled my palate with dark energy! ;-)

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#28 Post by Benjamin Goldberg » June 1st, 2013, 8:44 am

Robert Alfert, Jr. wrote:1965 Ch. Mouton Rothschild.

One score from a guy I've never heard of . . . .
10/12/2008 - KEITH LEVENBERG WROTE: 69 Points
The American Artists with Baroness Philippine de Rothschild (Del Posto): "A terrible year, a disaster all year round," says Xavier. Hopes that this might turn into a pleasant surprise like the '74 are quickly dashed. Smells liike a cobwebbed attic; has some up-front sweetness and hasn't broken up, but there's no pleasure to be found here. I guess it's a testament to the quality of Mouton's raw materials that a wine from so atrocious a vintage would still be alive, but that's about all you can say for it.
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This was probably the worst (non-corked, etc.) wine I've ever tasted. It was an ex-chateau bottle, at the same tasting as Keith with the Baroness. Absolutely awful. Parker, describing a different bottle, says "The odor of rotten garbage, stale mushrooms, and stewed fruit is appalling" and gives it 50 points, the lowest possible score.

On the other hand, it's only $1500 a bottle now.

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#29 Post by Scott Watkins » June 1st, 2013, 9:24 am

82 points 2005 Philip Shaw Pinot Noir No. 8 Aussie pinot that I will say was lucky to get such a high score [bleh.gif]
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#30 Post by Chris Presutti » June 1st, 2013, 9:27 am

2010 Stefania Haut Tubee - 84.7 CT pts.

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#31 Post by Frank Murray III » June 1st, 2013, 9:34 am

I'm stumped as to how to get this data from CT. Can someone give me a simple bullet list of steps and then I can play. Since I am such a fan of scoring wines, I'd like to see what the end result is out of curiousity.
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#32 Post by Frank Murray III » June 1st, 2013, 9:37 am

Ah, nevermind, I figured it out. Here is mine, although without the weighting impact of more notes versus less (this wine has 3 reviews, with 2 ratings), not sure what value this gives the discussion.

2010 Francois Carillon Saint-Aubin 1er Cru Le Charmois 85
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#33 Post by M. Dildine » June 1st, 2013, 9:44 am

Frank Murray III wrote: ... not sure what value this gives the discussion.

2010 Francois Carillon Saint-Aubin 1er Cru Le Charmois 85
I demonstrates that the wine is French? neener
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#34 Post by Kirk.Grant » June 1st, 2013, 9:58 am

A 375ml of 2007 Nicolas Potel Morey St. Denis...84 points.
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#35 Post by Henry Kiichli » June 1st, 2013, 10:09 am

A couple of surprising ones:

Not averages, but single scores:

2001 Reignac 74 points
1996 Château Duhart-Milon 75 points
1994 Château La Mission Haut-Brion 77 points
1999 Louis Jadot Beaune 1er Cru Clos des Ursules 78 points
1999 Domaine du Vieux Télégraphe Châteauneuf-du-Pape La Crau 79 points
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#36 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » June 1st, 2013, 11:01 am

Benjamin Goldberg wrote:
On the other hand, it's only $1500 a bottle now.

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#37 Post by M A T T H A R T L E Y » June 1st, 2013, 11:03 am

I have 10 bottles of 2004 Quincha Corral.....80pts on Cellartracker...

I feel sorry for those people that don't like this wine :)
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#38 Post by Terkel Tolstrup » June 1st, 2013, 11:07 am

For me it is
NV Cascina Baricchi Visages de Canaille Piedmont Rosé Blend 50 points
which is ridiculous - as I have actually had it twice and it is a more than decent wine.

Next are

2003 Ogier Caves des Papes Châteauneuf-du-Pape Cuvée Reine Jeanne
75 points

2003 Château de Mons Premières Côtes de Bordeaux
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I haven't tasted either... and as such aren't really looking forward to it. Actually both were given to me as gifts [smileyvault-ban.gif]

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#39 Post by Scott Brunson » June 1st, 2013, 11:20 am

M A T T H A R T L E Y wrote:I have 10 bottles of 2004 Quincha Corral.....80pts on Cellartracker...

I feel sorry for those people that don't like this wine :)
I have one remaining bottle of '01. I haven't tried the 04 but I can't imagine an 80 pointer. The '01 is fabulous.
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#40 Post by Beau Carufel » June 1st, 2013, 1:48 pm

2011 Donkey & Goat Five Thirteen at 78 points. Ouch. Haven't had it yet but I love their wines.
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#41 Post by M A T T H A R T L E Y » June 1st, 2013, 1:57 pm

Scott Brunson wrote:
M A T T H A R T L E Y wrote:I have 10 bottles of 2004 Quincha Corral.....80pts on Cellartracker...

I feel sorry for those people that don't like this wine :)
I have one remaining bottle of '01. I haven't tried the 04 but I can't imagine an 80 pointer. The '01 is fabulous.
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#42 Post by Mattias Hansen » June 1st, 2013, 2:14 pm

2010 San Felice Contrada , at 84 points. Bought two bottles for 9 $ each. I think the rating is pretty accurate

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#43 Post by Alan Rath » June 1st, 2013, 4:50 pm

Pmenkes wrote:
Alan Rath wrote:Here's my lowest:

2007 Domaine Monier St. Joseph Terre Blanche - France, Rhône, Northern Rhône, St. Joseph (11/15/2009)
Nose is not a good start, instant horse barn, not much else. Palate, if possible, is worse. Seems like it might be OK initially, with some dark fruit, but then a wave of acidity kicks in, not tartness, just a sickening acidity, like a bad belch that leaves the taste of stomach acid. A Kermit Lynch bottle that looked interesting in the store, but should have been dumped overboard on the Atlantic crossing.

Night 2: well the barnyard is gone (not sure how), left with some aroma of bad sweet pickels. Palat is unchanged, a core of dark fruit, but wrapped in a very unappealing acidity, I can't tell if this is somehow bacterially spoiled, or if this the way the wine is supposed to be. Oh, BTW, being biodynamically farmed didn't help this wine one bit ;) (76 pts.)

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#44 Post by Joe D » June 1st, 2013, 5:38 pm

Two of my four lowest scoring are Texier. Zyl3rb3rg must be pulling down the curve....
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#45 Post by Pat Burton » June 1st, 2013, 6:10 pm

2009 C.V.N.E. (Compañía Vinícola del Norte de España) Rioja Cune Crianza - CT83
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#46 Post by rfelthoven » June 1st, 2013, 6:54 pm

Dois Irmaos pinot noir. Nuff said.
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#47 Post by M Mager » June 1st, 2013, 6:59 pm

2002 Domaine Jasmin Côte-Rôtie

CT = 78.7

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#48 Post by Steve Saxon » June 1st, 2013, 7:23 pm

Usually I give 50 points for anything containing alcohol, but the 2007 St. Innocent Momtazi Pinot was so bad I scored it 23 points. Couldn't drink enough of it to get a buzz.
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#49 Post by Kasey Dubler » June 1st, 2013, 8:14 pm

2011 Julien Frémont Cidre Pays d'Auge Brut par Nature 69 points, It's a random apple wine from Garagiste. I just picked it up last week and the color on it alone I'm pretty sure it's going to make me sick, but why not,

Next 2 are

NV Hijos de Rainera Perez Marin Jerez-Xérès-Sherry La Guita Manzanilla Sanlucar de Barrameda 80 points, which I've actually had before and I think is a great value sherry. It's not a show stopper, but for under $10 a bottle I think it's great

Then Dois Irmaos....

Funny thing is that my highest rated wine is

2007 Señorio de Barahonda Tinto Barrica 95 points, cost me $8 bought 2, I drank one and it's just ok, but 1 guy can throw the curve in a hurry.

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#50 Post by Bob Hughes » June 2nd, 2013, 11:54 am

I know one of the most interesting wines I have in this regard is the 1990 Pavie Macquin - the bottle variation on this concoction is legendary. There are 19 notes on CT, of which 8 are 89 or better and 5 were flawed, the rest falling somewhere in between.

That mirrors my experience; on release it was very nice, probably a decent if ripely-done 90+ pointer, but as the wine has aged that bottle variation has become more and more common, with appalling levels of volatile acidity on several occasions. Given the way this thing has aged, I've often felt it was probably one of the first truly spoofilated wines ever made, although I'm sure the heat of the vintage, paired with the winemaker's desire to harvest very ripe fruit, did this wine no favors in terms of it's ability to age gracefully.

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