Bottle condition - signs of seepage

Tasting notes, varietals, grapes - anything related to wine
Post Reply
Message
Author
User avatar
JKim
GCC Member
GCC Member
Posts: 3359
Joined: February 15th, 2011, 12:18 pm
Location: Orange County

Bottle condition - signs of seepage

#1 Post by JKim » February 23rd, 2013, 8:20 am

All of us worry about provenance, especially when buying older bottles from grey or auctions. Personally, I don't care about label conditions such as bin soiled labels, nicked or torn labels, importer stickers, etc and hope bottles are priced down or sell for less, although still worry about provenance. The one description that is a deal breaker for me is SOS, not worth the risk to me. Am I too risk averse about this issue? How much of a discount would it take for you to take a flyer on a bottle with SOS? What is your experience with seepage bottles? TIA.
Joe

User avatar
Keith Levenberg
Posts: 5403
Joined: June 6th, 2009, 3:11 pm
Location: Washington, D.C.

Re: Bottle condition - signs of seepage

#2 Post by Keith Levenberg » February 23rd, 2013, 8:27 am

There are a few producers who are notorious overfillers on the production line so I wouldn't be scared off by signs of seepage there.

User avatar
dteng
Posts: 4963
Joined: April 27th, 2010, 1:33 pm
Location: NoCal

Re: Bottle condition - signs of seepage

#3 Post by dteng » February 23rd, 2013, 8:31 am

Call me chicken...but I never buy/bid on those bottles.
Dan

Fred C
Posts: 2580
Joined: July 11th, 2011, 10:09 am

Re: Bottle condition - signs of seepage

#4 Post by Fred C » February 23rd, 2013, 8:33 am

Keith Levenberg wrote:There are a few producers who are notorious overfillers on the production line so I wouldn't be scared off by signs of seepage there.
Keith, which producers? SoS is also a deal breaker for me. Maybe I would a bit more tolerant if I knew which producers overfill.
Ch!3n

User avatar
Glenn L e v i n e
GCC Member
GCC Member
Posts: 18555
Joined: January 27th, 2009, 6:16 pm
Location: Coos Bay, OR

Re: Bottle condition - signs of seepage

#5 Post by Glenn L e v i n e » February 23rd, 2013, 8:39 am

Lots of older Sauternes seep and are still excellent wines.
"Never lose sight of the fact that it is just fermented grape juice" - a winemaker and negotiant in Napa Valley, CA

Gary Rust
Posts: 153
Joined: May 13th, 2010, 7:39 am

Re: Bottle condition - signs of seepage

#6 Post by Gary Rust » February 23rd, 2013, 8:58 am

I've consumed a boatload of older bordeaux bottles (70s, 80s) that have seeped a bit -- crusty under the foil, crumbly fully stained cork, etc -- that have held terrific wine. Thirty-year old corks are a problem -- they allow some seepage, but the wine can remain fine. What I do avoid at all costs is buying or bidding on any bottles with "slightly protruding corks" -- suggesting heat damage at some point in the bottles life . . .

User avatar
Andrew L.
Posts: 1143
Joined: July 24th, 2011, 5:21 am

Re: Bottle condition - signs of seepage

#7 Post by Andrew L. » February 23rd, 2013, 10:14 am

While I never purposely bid on bottles with seepage, I have had some show up with such an issue. My experiences have generally been quite good. If the price is low, I would consider taking a chance on a bottle showing old signs of seepage, as long as the cork is not depressed, or protruding, and the ullage is looks good.
L I T T L E

User avatar
Keith Levenberg
Posts: 5403
Joined: June 6th, 2009, 3:11 pm
Location: Washington, D.C.

Re: Bottle condition - signs of seepage

#8 Post by Keith Levenberg » February 23rd, 2013, 11:28 am

Fred C wrote:
Keith Levenberg wrote:There are a few producers who are notorious overfillers on the production line so I wouldn't be scared off by signs of seepage there.
Keith, which producers? SoS is also a deal breaker for me. Maybe I would a bit more tolerant if I knew which producers overfill.
Donnhoff and a lot of other Germans. Leroy. Raveneau, but the yellow wax can hide the seep if it doesn't crack.

User avatar
c fu
Moderator
<dfn>Moderator</dfn>
Posts: 30655
Joined: January 27th, 2009, 1:26 pm
Location: Pasadena

Re: Bottle condition - signs of seepage

#9 Post by c fu » February 23rd, 2013, 11:36 am

Fred C wrote:
Keith Levenberg wrote:There are a few producers who are notorious overfillers on the production line so I wouldn't be scared off by signs of seepage there.
Keith, which producers? SoS is also a deal breaker for me. Maybe I would a bit more tolerant if I knew which producers overfill.
Since I know you're a balla. Leroy is the worst. Pull a leroy cork after a 8-10 years of age and a good chance the cork is soaked.
Ch@rlie F|_|
"Roulot is Roulot"©

Instagram: http://www.instagram.com/clayfu.wine

User avatar
Harold Fong
Posts: 246
Joined: July 28th, 2009, 10:10 am
Location: SF Bay Area

Re: Bottle condition - signs of seepage

#10 Post by Harold Fong » February 23rd, 2013, 12:05 pm

Besides overfilling, are there any other benign reasons or conditions that could cause seepage? A few years back, I got a bunch of new release Bordeaux- one had a cork completely soaked to the top, cork was soft, there was wine residue and some mold on the top of the cork, but there was no cork protrusion. I immediately thought heat damage, but are there logical and benign reasons for such an occurrence?

Fred C
Posts: 2580
Joined: July 11th, 2011, 10:09 am

Re: Bottle condition - signs of seepage

#11 Post by Fred C » February 23rd, 2013, 1:12 pm

Charlie Fu wrote:
Since I know you're a balla. Leroy is the worst. Pull a leroy cork after a 8-10 years of age and a good chance the cork is soaked.
Does that pertain to Maison Leroy also? [wink.gif]
Ch!3n

User avatar
JKim
GCC Member
GCC Member
Posts: 3359
Joined: February 15th, 2011, 12:18 pm
Location: Orange County

Re: Bottle condition - signs of seepage

#12 Post by JKim » February 23rd, 2013, 1:13 pm

Fred C wrote:
Charlie Fu wrote:
Since I know you're a balla. Leroy is the worst. Pull a leroy cork after a 8-10 years of age and a good chance the cork is soaked.
Does that pertain to Maison Leroy also? [wink.gif]
Balla status revoked.
Joe

jbray23
Posts: 2701
Joined: September 2nd, 2010, 3:56 pm

Re: Bottle condition - signs of seepage

#13 Post by jbray23 » February 23rd, 2013, 1:29 pm

[quote="Harold Fong"]Besides overfilling, are there any other benign reasons or conditions that could cause seepage? A few years back, I got a bunch of new release Bordeaux- one had a cork completely soaked to the top, cork was soft, there was wine residue and some mold on the top of the cork, but there was no cork protrusion. I immediately thought heat damage, but are there logical and benign reasons for such an occurrence?[/quote

Shipping, for some reason I have seen perfectly good bottles leak after being shipped across the country, mostly on mags though.....
Jason, back itb

User avatar
Chris Seiber
GCC Member
GCC Member
Posts: 8497
Joined: April 28th, 2010, 3:22 pm
Location: Newport Beach, CA

Re: Bottle condition - signs of seepage

#14 Post by Chris Seiber » February 23rd, 2013, 3:01 pm

Keith Levenberg wrote:
Fred C wrote:
Keith Levenberg wrote:There are a few producers who are notorious overfillers on the production line so I wouldn't be scared off by signs of seepage there.
Keith, which producers? SoS is also a deal breaker for me. Maybe I would a bit more tolerant if I knew which producers overfill.
Donnhoff and a lot of other Germans. Leroy. Raveneau, but the yellow wax can hide the seep if it doesn't crack.
I had a 1990 Leroy Bonnes Mares this past week, the wax had all cracked off the top and there was visible seepage through the cork, presumably from their tendency to overfill. The wine was beautiful, no signs of any problems or advanced aging.

I am one who believes that wine is far hardier in general than most wine geeks believe, so I would probably be willing to roll the dice on some seepage bottles, but the problem was (on winebid at least) there rarely seemed like more than a slight discount for buying those bottles, so why take the chance. If the price were 1/3 lower or something, I could see it.

User avatar
JKim
GCC Member
GCC Member
Posts: 3359
Joined: February 15th, 2011, 12:18 pm
Location: Orange County

Re: Bottle condition - signs of seepage

#15 Post by JKim » February 23rd, 2013, 3:11 pm

Chris Seiber wrote: I had a 1990 Leroy Bonnes Mares this past week
Balla. I need to drink with you sometime.
Joe

Nick Gangas
GCC Member
GCC Member
Posts: 7179
Joined: August 7th, 2009, 6:27 pm

Re: Bottle condition - signs of seepage

#16 Post by Nick Gangas » February 23rd, 2013, 3:16 pm

I believe Ponost also used to have an issue.

Josh Kurek
GCC Member
GCC Member
Posts: 381
Joined: October 25th, 2011, 8:11 pm

Re: Bottle condition - signs of seepage

#17 Post by Josh Kurek » February 23rd, 2013, 3:47 pm

Rieslings with seepage do not scare me (or other wines with residual sugar for that matter). The high sugar content often causes the corks to deteriorate and seep a bit I have had many stellar bottles that had some seepage.

User avatar
Kris Patten
GCC Member
GCC Member
Posts: 4222
Joined: February 1st, 2009, 6:25 pm
Location: Seattle

Re: Bottle condition - signs of seepage

#18 Post by Kris Patten » February 23rd, 2013, 4:03 pm

Josh Kurek wrote:Rieslings with seepage do not scare me (or other wines with residual sugar for that matter). The high sugar content often causes the corks to deteriorate and seep a bit I have had many stellar bottles that had some seepage.
I think it's the low pH, not the RS.
ITB

Daniel Mattisson
Posts: 287
Joined: December 5th, 2011, 9:26 am

Re: Bottle condition - signs of seepage

#19 Post by Daniel Mattisson » February 23rd, 2013, 5:26 pm

Stupid question here - but don't you need to cut off the foil to see signs of seepage? I haven't noticed seepage on some of my older bottles until I cut off the foil. Is there any harm in cutting off the foil?

User avatar
Kris Patten
GCC Member
GCC Member
Posts: 4222
Joined: February 1st, 2009, 6:25 pm
Location: Seattle

Re: Bottle condition - signs of seepage

#20 Post by Kris Patten » February 23rd, 2013, 5:32 pm

Daniel Mattisson wrote:Stupid question here - but don't you need to cut off the foil to see signs of seepage? I haven't noticed seepage on some of my older bottles until I cut off the foil. Is there any harm in cutting off the foil?
Other than aesthetics, no harm.
ITB

Gary Rust
Posts: 153
Joined: May 13th, 2010, 7:39 am

Re: Bottle condition - signs of seepage

#21 Post by Gary Rust » February 25th, 2013, 1:35 pm

Daniel Mattisson wrote:Stupid question here - but don't you need to cut off the foil to see signs of seepage? I haven't noticed seepage on some of my older bottles until I cut off the foil. Is there any harm in cutting off the foil?
Winebid claims to be able to discern seepage without removing foils, and I think if one really inspect the foils carefully the crusty, sticky wine residual is visible right at the bottom of the foil, and when this small seepage is exposed to air it tends to harden at the foil bottom. Of course if it's a really bad seeper the label will be soiled as well -- maybe heavily -- suggesting possible heat damage as well. Slight seepage on old bottles doesn't bother me much, nor does a slightly depressed cork, but no slightly protruding corks for me thanks . . . but that's just me.

User avatar
Neal.Mollen
Posts: 33084
Joined: January 30th, 2009, 1:26 pm

Re: Bottle condition - signs of seepage

#22 Post by Neal.Mollen » February 25th, 2013, 1:47 pm

I have no position on the question posed in the OP, but it is funny to read so many willing to buy at auction, and willing to buy at auction even bottles with signs of seepage, and yet the "where has your wine been" chorus that chimes in every time PC is mentioned could wake the dead. I have no idea if these are the same people, but it amuses me how easily people accept the idea of buying bottles at auction that may have changed hands 10 times already.
I don't have to speak; she defends me

A drunkard's dream if I ever did see one

User avatar
c fu
Moderator
<dfn>Moderator</dfn>
Posts: 30655
Joined: January 27th, 2009, 1:26 pm
Location: Pasadena

Re: Bottle condition - signs of seepage

#23 Post by c fu » February 25th, 2013, 2:23 pm

JKim wrote:
Fred C wrote:
Charlie Fu wrote:
Since I know you're a balla. Leroy is the worst. Pull a leroy cork after a 8-10 years of age and a good chance the cork is soaked.
Does that pertain to Maison Leroy also? [wink.gif]
Balla status revoked.
definitely revoked. I thought all Kaiser doctors only drank grand cru domaine Leroy!?
Ch@rlie F|_|
"Roulot is Roulot"©

Instagram: http://www.instagram.com/clayfu.wine

Fred C
Posts: 2580
Joined: July 11th, 2011, 10:09 am

Re: Bottle condition - signs of seepage

#24 Post by Fred C » February 25th, 2013, 2:28 pm

Charlie Fu wrote:
JKim wrote:
Fred C wrote:
Does that pertain to Maison Leroy also? [wink.gif]
Balla status revoked.
definitely revoked. I thought all Kaiser doctors only drank grand cru domaine Leroy!?
Everyone knows HMOs are where the big bucks are!

Why do you think I'm asking Joe for a job?

Speaking of which...does Puligny count as a hyphenated Montrachet?
Ch!3n

User avatar
Rick Dalia
Posts: 760
Joined: June 2nd, 2012, 4:00 pm
Location: Mill Valley, CA

Re: Bottle condition - signs of seepage

#25 Post by Rick Dalia » February 25th, 2013, 4:57 pm

definitely revoked. I thought all Kaiser doctors only drank grand cru domaine Leroy!?[/quote]

In Marin county it's the plumbers that are drinking grand cru Leroy. Us second class Kaiser docs have to settle for 1er maison

User avatar
c fu
Moderator
<dfn>Moderator</dfn>
Posts: 30655
Joined: January 27th, 2009, 1:26 pm
Location: Pasadena

Re: Bottle condition - signs of seepage

#26 Post by c fu » February 25th, 2013, 5:00 pm

Rick Dalia wrote:definitely revoked. I thought all Kaiser doctors only drank grand cru domaine Leroy!?
In Marin county it's the plumbers that are drinking grand cru Leroy. Us second class Kaiser docs have to settle for 1er maison[/quote]
beginning to think the one Kaiser doctor I know who only drink Domaine Leroy might be the exception, not the rule [snort.gif] [snort.gif]
Ch@rlie F|_|
"Roulot is Roulot"©

Instagram: http://www.instagram.com/clayfu.wine

User avatar
JKim
GCC Member
GCC Member
Posts: 3359
Joined: February 15th, 2011, 12:18 pm
Location: Orange County

Re: Bottle condition - signs of seepage

#27 Post by JKim » February 25th, 2013, 5:11 pm

Charlie Fu wrote: beginning to think the one Kaiser doctor I know who only drink Domaine Leroy might be the exception, not the rule [snort.gif] [snort.gif]
Isn't he not married also? Couple more expenses with kids. Wait a minute...Chien's not married either! Go Domaine or go home Fred! ;)
Joe

Fred C
Posts: 2580
Joined: July 11th, 2011, 10:09 am

Re: Bottle condition - signs of seepage

#28 Post by Fred C » February 25th, 2013, 5:35 pm

JKim wrote: Isn't he not married also? Couple more expenses with kids. Wait a minute...Chien's not married either! Go Domaine or go home Fred! ;)
Got too many vices to go Domaine. Going to have to wait for you and Fu to bring that to the offline...and not that SLB or SoS stuff either, the good stuff! [wink.gif] [snort.gif].
Ch!3n

Ben J.
Posts: 82
Joined: March 3rd, 2013, 11:17 am
Location: Chicago, IL

Re: Bottle condition - signs of seepage

#29 Post by Ben J. » August 2nd, 2013, 11:18 am

Gary Rust wrote: Winebid claims to be able to discern seepage without removing foils, and I think if one really inspect the foils carefully the crusty, sticky wine residual is visible right at the bottom of the foil, and when this small seepage is exposed to air it tends to harden at the foil bottom. Of course if it's a really bad seeper the label will be soiled as well -- maybe heavily -- suggesting possible heat damage as well. Slight seepage on old bottles doesn't bother me much, nor does a slightly depressed cork, but no slightly protruding corks for me thanks . . . but that's just me.
I just bought an '83 Poyferre, '83 St-Pierre, and '75 Brane-Cantenac from HDH, and the listings did say corroded capsule.. I should have known, and the lesson learned this time, is that frequently translates to SoS. All 3 have significant mold on the cork, smell of long-ago oxidized wine, if just *very slightly, and the capsules were fully stuck to the bottle indicating there was definitely moisture/seepage which eventually dried.

The Brane-Cantenac has a slightly soft (top of the) cork, though the other two seem to have solid corks. The levels for all 3 bottles are reasonable, very top shoulder for the '83's and the Brane is just slightly lower. So looks like no heat damage, but I'm holding my breath that at least one or two aren't ruined..
Johnson! ITB
CT: SoundInBetween

Jonathan Grunzweig
GCC Member
GCC Member
Posts: 250
Joined: July 25th, 2012, 10:06 am
Location: Santa Ynez Valley

Re: Bottle condition - signs of seepage

#30 Post by Jonathan Grunzweig » June 10th, 2019, 12:14 pm

Reviving this old thread as an appropriate place to seek advice on the following (asking for a friend...):

A handful of trophy wines, all magnums if that matters, are evidencing some seepage, which he says is unquestionably due to short-term (and relatively modest) heat exposure which occurred over no more than 72 hours. The ambient temperature in the cellar never got above 82 during that period, and the affected bottles had been well stored and in pristine shape up until then. The vast majority of his cellar shows no damage -- only a select few magnums suffered this. Presumably the damage is done, and we know this can't be assessed until each bottle is tasted, so his and my question is this: do these circumstances suggest he should rush to consume the bottles showing signs of seepage, or is it more the case that the passage of time poses no additional negative impact. Said another way, does this kind of heat damage risk compounding its impact in some way, even assuming bulletproof storage going forward of course. If the latter, he would then be able to drink these based on the usual factors, checking in on those lottery tickets from time to time without affecting his proverbial odds...

Thanks in advance,
Jonathan

User avatar
Brian Thorne
GCC Member
GCC Member
Posts: 175
Joined: May 28th, 2009, 9:37 pm
Location: Just outside of Philly

Re: Bottle condition - signs of seepage

#31 Post by Brian Thorne » June 10th, 2019, 12:59 pm

I would drink them up sooner rather than later; I don't believe heat damaged wines "get better" or "recover" with additional cellaring.

J. Rock
Posts: 250
Joined: March 11th, 2019, 4:53 pm

Re: Bottle condition - signs of seepage

#32 Post by J. Rock » June 10th, 2019, 1:35 pm

I just bought a 2004 Spatlese from a reputable wine shop this weekend and only noticed that the neck was a bit sticky once I got home. See the above comments about Rieslings seepage make me feel better (although, it wasn't an expensive bottle and if it's bad, the store will likely make it up to me).
J o r d a n

Ian Dorin
Posts: 4535
Joined: January 27th, 2009, 12:39 pm
Location: Springfield, NJ

Re: Bottle condition - signs of seepage

#33 Post by Ian Dorin » June 10th, 2019, 1:59 pm

Color matters the most. Great color will trump all.
ITB

“I spent half my money on gambling, alcohol and wild women. The other half I wasted.” -WC Fields

Zachy's

User avatar
Alan Rath
GCC Member
GCC Member
Posts: 18477
Joined: April 24th, 2009, 12:45 am
Location: Bay Area, CA. Sometimes out to lunch.

Re: Bottle condition - signs of seepage

#34 Post by Alan Rath » June 10th, 2019, 2:10 pm

Jonathan Grunzweig wrote:
June 10th, 2019, 12:14 pm
Reviving this old thread as an appropriate place to seek advice on the following (asking for a friend...):

A handful of trophy wines, all magnums if that matters, are evidencing some seepage, which he says is unquestionably due to short-term (and relatively modest) heat exposure which occurred over no more than 72 hours. The ambient temperature in the cellar never got above 82 during that period, and the affected bottles had been well stored and in pristine shape up until then. The vast majority of his cellar shows no damage -- only a select few magnums suffered this. Presumably the damage is done, and we know this can't be assessed until each bottle is tasted, so his and my question is this: do these circumstances suggest he should rush to consume the bottles showing signs of seepage, or is it more the case that the passage of time poses no additional negative impact. Said another way, does this kind of heat damage risk compounding its impact in some way, even assuming bulletproof storage going forward of course. If the latter, he would then be able to drink these based on the usual factors, checking in on those lottery tickets from time to time without affecting his proverbial odds...

Thanks in advance,
Jonathan
I have some bottles of 2010 Hudelot-Noellat burgs, which are notorious for being leakers. No idea why, I assume it was something gone wrong with the bottling line. I have a few bottles of Clos Vougeot from that year, all of them turned out to be seeping when I was doing locker inventory last year. I brought them home, cleaned them up, and figured the only thing I could do was open them soon, sadly. I drank the first one, and it was pristine, and still very youthful, no sign of any air ingress problem at all. So I put the remaining two back in my locker, but now standing up. I'm hopeful that they are actually sealed more tightly now than with just a good cork. All to say I'm not convinced your mags are necessarily compromised. BTW, it makes sense that they were the ones that had problems, since, with twice the liquid volume to expand in the bottle, they are more likely to exceed the bottle volume and push liquid out past the cork.
I'm just one lost soul, swimming in a fish bowl, year after year

User avatar
Eric Egan
Posts: 536
Joined: July 17th, 2016, 6:23 am
Location: North-East England

Re: Bottle condition - signs of seepage

#35 Post by Eric Egan » June 10th, 2019, 2:16 pm

I take a risk on SOS on occasion if the colour looks good. Have had some superb seepers in my day, including some of my best wine experiences of all time, including a 1961 Gruaud Larose and a 1943 Monfrotino. Both had mid-low shoulder levels but good, clear colour. Both were superb. Also had a lot of good Champagne with seepeage (even some half full bottles). It all depends on the colour.

Doesn't always work of course - have had some shockers as well - but if there's a decent discount (say less than a 1/3 of the price of a bottle in prime condition) and the colour's good, I'd say it's worth it (the Monforrtino, at £50 a few years ago, was a ridiculous bargain).

As to whether wines that seep 'recover' I can only say that I don't really know - I guess it depends on the wine. I suspect some of them do come back round again while others won't.
Composer and Lecturer | UK

Jonathan Grunzweig
GCC Member
GCC Member
Posts: 250
Joined: July 25th, 2012, 10:06 am
Location: Santa Ynez Valley

Re: Bottle condition - signs of seepage

#36 Post by Jonathan Grunzweig » June 10th, 2019, 2:58 pm

Thanks to all of you who are weighing in. To be clear: I would not worry about holding on for any recovery -- rather, I am querying whether one can expect the heat-affected wine to hold steady from here, even if undamaged despite the seepage, or if the seepage itself indicates an unsustainable environment for the wine, one that behooves the owner to cut his losses and pop some corks in order to avoid further deterioration of that wine.

Jonathan

R0$$ M 0 R R 1 $ 0 N
Posts: 88
Joined: December 30th, 2018, 8:08 am

Re: Bottle condition - signs of seepage

#37 Post by R0$$ M 0 R R 1 $ 0 N » June 11th, 2019, 5:35 am

Glenn L e v i n e wrote:
February 23rd, 2013, 8:39 am
Lots of older Sauternes seep and are still excellent wines.
+1 . This is the only exception to the 'no signs of past seepage' rule for me on buying older bottles. Fill level would still need to be decent, i.e. some seepage, not lots.

User avatar
David Glasser
GCC Member
GCC Member
Posts: 6273
Joined: August 16th, 2009, 6:03 pm
Location: Maryland

Re: Bottle condition - signs of seepage

#38 Post by David Glasser » June 11th, 2019, 5:45 am

The question is whether the cork seal is intact after a heat-related episode of seepage, or if it is compromised. If intact, there is no added risk of continued long storage (assuming no more heat spikes). If compromised, excess oxygen exposure will lead to an early demise.

I’m not aware of any reliable way to tell by inspection if the seal has reformed. It could vary from bottle to bottle. I would store the bottles on their sides as an ongoing stress test, checking weekly for signs of additional seepage. I'd stand them up every 4 months looking for signs of increasing ullage. If I saw either, I’d plan on opening the bottle within the next few months.

User avatar
Markus S
Posts: 5893
Joined: May 20th, 2010, 7:27 am

Re: Bottle condition - signs of seepage

#39 Post by Markus S » June 11th, 2019, 6:03 am

I think it depends. I recently found a JJ Prum 2001 spatlese in my cellar that had a gooey capsule, and found signs of seepage, but when I opened it the color was youthful and the bottle was stellar. I think I would worry more about low-fill (as in below shoulder) than seepage, since seepage can be caused by overfilling or other matters. Generally though, if I was buying, I would probably avoid.
$ _ € ® e . k @

Post Reply

Return to “Wine Talk”