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#9001 Post by PCLIN »

Thanks, will watch it on Hulu.
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#9002 Post by Jürgen Steinke »

Don,

thank you very much for this information. Very helpful!

All the best to you. Stay healthy.

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#9003 Post by Steen T Olsen »

Don Cornwell wrote: March 5th, 2021, 12:12 pm
Victor Hong wrote: March 5th, 2021, 11:58 am If wonder if this show will note the unsung enablers to this odious deceit, like John and Allen.

If a bottle of wine smelled like those actors, it would be a DNPIM.
I strongly suspect that John Kapon/Acker and Christie's will get some likely unwanted publicity here.
Sounds promising.. [thumbs-up.gif]
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#9004 Post by John Danza »

Victor Hong wrote: March 6th, 2021, 6:40 am As for posters here about Acker, John, and Rudy also.
I think it's perfectly fine to remind everyone about those people who were knowingly involved in the scam, yet have avoided legal punishment.
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#9005 Post by Victor Hong »

John Danza wrote: March 7th, 2021, 10:14 am
Victor Hong wrote: March 6th, 2021, 6:40 am As for posters here about Acker, John, and Rudy also.
I think it's perfectly fine to remind everyone about those people who were knowingly involved in the scam, yet have avoided legal punishment.
Laughing all the way to the bank, in some cases, hoping that forgotten victims will enable new ones. Consider the multiple schemes by Ray Walker. Thank you.
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#9006 Post by Don Cornwell »

Don Cornwell wrote: March 3rd, 2021, 6:29 pm
Don Cornwell wrote: February 9th, 2021, 3:17 pm
Mel Hill wrote: February 9th, 2021, 1:35 pm
Just heard back from one of the producers, looks like March airdate. Maybe Don has more details?
[Updated] Yes, sometime in March. The final date is not set. Right now the best guess is Wednesday March 24th or Wednesday, March 31st
I finally have an air date for the documentary about Rudy. It is scheduled to air on Wednesday March 24th @ 10p (EST & PST) / 9p Central on ABC News.
"The Wine Con" is on ABC this evening at 10 pm Eastern and Pacific and 9 pm Central and Mountain. Whoopi Goldberg is the narrator for the show (as she is for the entire series). I have seen the trailer but not the show itself.
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#9007 Post by Siun o'Connell »

Watching ... really nice to see the acknowledgement of Don!

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Damn I missed this.

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#9009 Post by Mel Hill »

Nick Gangas wrote: March 25th, 2021, 7:27 am Damn I missed this.
you should be able to watch online

https://abc.com/shows/the-con/episode-g ... e-con-wine

My photo of Rudy appears twice, once just before the first commercial break and then in
the second segment. One thing I found funny is that they have Rudy on camera talking about the very auction
lot my photo depicts him purchasing.

WB’ers is covered in the third or fourth act.

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#9010 Post by Sean Devaney »

I enjoyed the show. It was nice to be able to put faces with the names. I did notice that Don was less hirsute than his avatar would lead one the believe [wow.gif]

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#9011 Post by Victor Hong »

Sean Devaney wrote: March 25th, 2021, 10:22 am I enjoyed the show. It was nice to be able to put faces with the names. I did notice that Don was less hirsute than his avatar would lead one the believe [wow.gif]
Does that indirectly imply that the ears are accurately portrayed?
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#9012 Post by HoosJustinG »

Essentially a condensed version of Sour Grapes, though there was a bit more info about the genesis of the FBI investigation being concurrently done with the enthusiast community sleuthing. Still no real indictment of any co “conspirators” or anything like that.
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#9013 Post by Don Cornwell »

I had very mixed feelings watching the show. I was happy that the story finally got on network TV. I was pleased to see that my colleagues Geoffrey Troy and Doug Barzelay were included this time and that the interviews of them didn't end up on the cutting room floor (as happened with Sour Grapes). I appreciated being credited as one of the principals that helped bring Rudy to justice.

But they greatly simplified things and made Rudy appear to be a one-man band who somehow did everything by himself. There was no mention of Rudy receiving help (and fake labels) from his brother in Indonesia. Most importantly, there was no discussion that it “took a village” of promoters, aiders and abettors to make it happen, i.e., Acker and John Kapon, Allen Meadows, Christie’s, Zachy’s, Spectrum, and all of the distributors and “straw men” who helped sell Rudy’s counterfeits, such as Antonio Castanos, Marc Lazar, Richard Brierley, Kristoffer-Meier Axel and Xavier Nebout.

In particular, they eliminated all of the footage they shot about how Christie's deliberately chose to sell wines consigned directly by Rudy despite knowing Rudy's prior history of selling counterfeits and despite their knowledge that the proceeds of the Christie's sales of Rudy's wines were to be directly paid to a victim who had previously purchased $2 million worth of counterfeit wine from Rudy and to Acker Merrall, who by then had an $8 million consent judgment against Rudy by virtue of the returns from the Cellar I and Cellar II auctions due to counterfeit wine concerns.
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#9014 Post by Victor Hong »

Don Cornwell wrote: March 25th, 2021, 3:09 pm I had very mixed feelings watching the show. I was happy that the story finally got on network TV. I was pleased to see that my colleagues Geoffrey Troy and Doug Barzelay were included this time and that the interviews of them didn't end up on the cutting room floor (as happened with Sour Grapes). I appreciated being credited as one of the principals that helped bring Rudy to justice.

But they greatly simplified things and made Rudy appear to be a one-man band who somehow did everything by himself. There was no mention of Rudy receiving help (and fake labels) from his brother in Indonesia. Most importantly, there was no discussion that it “took a village” of promoters, aiders and abettors to make it happen, i.e., Acker and John Kapon, Allen Meadows, Christie’s, Zachy’s, Spectrum, and all of the distributors and “straw men” who helped sell Rudy’s counterfeits, such as Antonio Castanos, Marc Lazar, Richard Brierley, Kristoffer-Meier Axel and Xavier Nebout.

In particular, they eliminated all of the footage they shot about how Christie's deliberately chose to sell wines consigned directly by Rudy despite knowing Rudy's prior history of selling counterfeits and despite their knowledge that the proceeds of the Christie's sales of Rudy's wines were to be directly paid to a victim who had previously purchased $2 million worth of counterfeit wine from Rudy and to Acker Merrall, who by then had an $8 million consent judgment against Rudy by virtue of the returns from the Cellar I and Cellar II auctions due to counterfeit wine concerns.
The co-conspirators who got away are the saddest and most angering part of this saga. Great, courageous job you did. You are a role model of integrity.
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Don Cornwell wrote: November 22nd, 2020, 4:40 pm
What we do is not rocket science. In my case, it is very much like David Glasser said about Highlights for Children magazine at the doctor's office, i.e. "What's wrong with this picture?" Sure, it helps to have a sharp eye for detail and proportion, and it also helps to have compiled a huge file of exemplar labels over the years to refer to. The rest of it comes from doing what is usually quick research -- either looking at Google images or running searches, or both. If you don't know about a particular label or a particular Chateau or have doubts -- simply look it up. For example, I didn't really know the history of L'Eglise Clinet, but in less than three minutes I found a very detailed history of the producer and enough information to prove that the 1947 Chateau L'Eglise Clinet never existed as a wine label. After another three or four minutes I had a number of label exemplars which confirmed the printed history information.
I am very impressed by your abilities. I am also very surprised that counterfeiters can't do much the same and make labels that are much more hard to distinguish from the real ones.
Don Cornwell wrote: March 25th, 2021, 3:09 pm
In particular, they eliminated all of the footage they shot about how Christie's deliberately chose to sell wines consigned directly by Rudy despite knowing Rudy's prior history of selling counterfeits and despite their knowledge that the proceeds of the Christie's sales of Rudy's wines were to be directly paid to a victim who had previously purchased $2 million worth of counterfeit wine from Rudy and to Acker Merrall, who by then had an $8 million consent judgment against Rudy by virtue of the returns from the Cellar I and Cellar II auctions due to counterfeit wine concerns.
Perhaps legal counsel suggested that, even with strong facts, it wasn't worth antagonizing a well-healed company?
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#9016 Post by Victor Hong »

AndrewH wrote: March 25th, 2021, 3:35 pm
Don Cornwell wrote: November 22nd, 2020, 4:40 pm
What we do is not rocket science. In my case, it is very much like David Glasser said about Highlights for Children magazine at the doctor's office, i.e. "What's wrong with this picture?" Sure, it helps to have a sharp eye for detail and proportion, and it also helps to have compiled a huge file of exemplar labels over the years to refer to. The rest of it comes from doing what is usually quick research -- either looking at Google images or running searches, or both. If you don't know about a particular label or a particular Chateau or have doubts -- simply look it up. For example, I didn't really know the history of L'Eglise Clinet, but in less than three minutes I found a very detailed history of the producer and enough information to prove that the 1947 Chateau L'Eglise Clinet never existed as a wine label. After another three or four minutes I had a number of label exemplars which confirmed the printed history information.
I am very impressed by your abilities. I am also very surprised that counterfeiters can't do much the same and make labels that are much more hard to distinguish from the real ones.
Don Cornwell wrote: March 25th, 2021, 3:09 pm
In particular, they eliminated all of the footage they shot about how Christie's deliberately chose to sell wines consigned directly by Rudy despite knowing Rudy's prior history of selling counterfeits and despite their knowledge that the proceeds of the Christie's sales of Rudy's wines were to be directly paid to a victim who had previously purchased $2 million worth of counterfeit wine from Rudy and to Acker Merrall, who by then had an $8 million consent judgment against Rudy by virtue of the returns from the Cellar I and Cellar II auctions due to counterfeit wine concerns.
Perhaps legal counsel suggested that, even with strong facts, it wasn't worth antagonizing a well-healed company?
I doubt that Christie's would have dared to sue for defamation. Just the return fusillade of discovery requests for incriminating information would have put the prospective plaintiff on those heels.
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#9017 Post by Marlon F »

Mel Hill wrote: March 25th, 2021, 8:40 am
Nick Gangas wrote: March 25th, 2021, 7:27 am Damn I missed this.
you should be able to watch online

https://abc.com/shows/the-con/episode-g ... e-con-wine

My photo of Rudy appears twice, once just before the first commercial break and then in
the second segment. One thing I found funny is that they have Rudy on camera talking about the very auction
lot my photo depicts him purchasing.

WB’ers is covered in the third or fourth act.
Is it the picture of him seated at a dark chair while someone is serving him ???
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#9018 Post by Nick Ellis »

What was the point of the woman who appeared to be in the midst of a methamphetamine binge that kept screaming at the camera?

Just to clarify, I’m not talking about John Kapon.
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#9019 Post by Don Cornwell »

Nick Ellis wrote: March 25th, 2021, 7:48 pm What was the point of the woman who appeared to be in the midst of a methamphetamine binge that kept screaming at the camera?

Just to clarify, I’m not talking about John Kapon.
If you are referring to the ABC reporter who kept popping up during the program, I have never seen her name before or heard of her previously in connection with Rudy.
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#9020 Post by Jürgen Steinke »

It seems that the film could not be watched if someone is outside the US. Right? Any ideas?

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#9021 Post by AndrewH »

Don Cornwell wrote: March 25th, 2021, 8:24 pm
Nick Ellis wrote: March 25th, 2021, 7:48 pm What was the point of the woman who appeared to be in the midst of a methamphetamine binge that kept screaming at the camera?

Just to clarify, I’m not talking about John Kapon.
If you are referring to the ABC reporter who kept popping up during the program, I have never seen her name before or heard of her previously in connection with Rudy.
It was a weird aspect of the program - they had Whoopi Goldberg narrating (slightly odd in itself, but okay) but no "face" to appear on screen as one might with a reporter. Seemed like just a person to tie segments together with some useless commentary.

I'm sure to Don and others who know so many details that are also damning this was underwhelming, but I thought it was a reasonable short summary of the story, if overly dramatized at points. Probably would have been more interesting to have the focus be on uncovering the scam rather than Rudy's excessibe ballin'.
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Jürgen Steinke wrote: March 26th, 2021, 6:38 am It seems that the film could not be watched if someone is outside the US. Right? Any ideas?
If you've tried, then probably true. VPN? How do you ordinarily view US programming that might otherwise be restricted?
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#9023 Post by Jürgen Steinke »

VPN? Good idea. Thank you.

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Marlon F wrote: March 25th, 2021, 6:58 pm
Is it the picture of him seated at a dark chair while someone is serving him ???
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My shot of Rudy buying the 2001 SQN lot at Hospice du Rhone in 2002
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#9025 Post by C. Mc Cart »

Didn't see this mentioned elsewhere but James Molesworth at WS says he was deported via commercial flight to Indonesia on April 9.
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Immigrations and Customs Enforcement issued a press release today announcing that Rudy Kurniawan was deported to Jakarta Indonesia last Thursday. https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/ice-r ... wine-scam

ICE also released a photo of Rudy, snapped by ICE officials before he was placed on the plane.

The press release notes the revised priorities of ICE in deportations: "ICE is now implementing the interim civil immigration enforcement priorities directed by the U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS) to focus its limited resources on threats to national security, border security and public safety. ICE continues to carry out its duty to enforce the laws of the United States in accordance with the Department’s national security and public safety mission." However, as ICE explained, "He [Rudy] is a public safety threat because of his aggravated felony conviction."

As readers of this thread know, Rudy has two surviving brothers, Teddy Susilo Tan, who (at least formerly) lived in Jakarta, and Darmawan Saputra (another alias, of another former Indonesian badminton champion), who resides in Hong Kong. Rudy's two brothers received a total of $17 million of the $36 million in auction proceeds which Rudy received from Acker, Merrall & Condit in 2006 ($12 million was sent to Darmawan Saputra in Hong Kong and $5 million was sent to Teddy Susilo Tan in Jakarta). Teddy Susilo Tan was indicted and convicted in absentia by the Indonesian government in 2018 in connection with a Jakarta real estate fraud. He fled to Hong Kong, where he was interviewed by some Indonesian journalists in 2019. He insisted that he would return to Indonesia to deal with the charges, but apparently did not do so.

So, it's not clear who met Rudy at the airport in Jakarta. Rudy definitely looks older, and hopefully he is much wiser now.
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#9027 Post by Victor Hong »

Don Cornwell wrote: April 13th, 2021, 8:23 pm Immigrations and Customs Enforcement issued a press release today announcing that Rudy Kurniawan was deported to Jakarta Indonesia last Thursday. https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/ice-r ... wine-scam

ICE also released a photo of Rudy, snapped by ICE officials before he was placed on the plane.

The press release notes the revised priorities of ICE in deportations: "ICE is now implementing the interim civil immigration enforcement priorities directed by the U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS) to focus its limited resources on threats to national security, border security and public safety. ICE continues to carry out its duty to enforce the laws of the United States in accordance with the Department’s national security and public safety mission." However, as ICE explained, "He [Rudy] is a public safety threat because of his aggravated felony conviction."

As readers of this thread know, Rudy has two surviving brothers, Teddy Susilo Tan, who (at least formerly) lived in Jakarta, and Darmawan Saputra (another alias, of another former Indonesian badminton champion), who resides in Hong Kong. Rudy's two brothers received a total of $17 million of the $36 million in auction proceeds which Rudy received from Acker, Merrall & Condit in 2006 ($12 million was sent to Darmawan Saputra in Hong Kong and $5 million was sent to Teddy Susilo Tan in Jakarta). Teddy Susilo Tan was indicted and convicted in absentia by the Indonesian government in 2018 in connection with a Jakarta real estate fraud. He fled to Hong Kong, where he was interviewed by some Indonesian journalists in 2019. He insisted that he would return to Indonesia to deal with the charges, but apparently did not do so.

So, it's not clear who met Rudy at the airport in Jakarta. Rudy definitely looks older, and hopefully he is much wiser now.
A slow boat to China would have been better, ideally in a bunk by the bilge.
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#9028 Post by Bob Davis »

Looks like he's aged 30 years.

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#9030 Post by Don Cornwell »

NEWS ON THE JEFERY LEVY V. HART DAVIS HART LAWSUIT:

The small claims court lawsuit filed by Jefery Levy against Hart Davis Hart on March 23, 2020, which (falsely) accused Hart Davis Hart and its Senior VP Allan Frischman of knowingly selling Levy a counterfeit bottle of 1955 Leroy Chambertin, was called for trial yesterday in the Santa Monica division of the Los Angeles Superior Court. The case was dismissed with prejudice.

The trial was originally scheduled for late December of 2020. It was continued because Jefery Levy is a licensed California attorney on "inactive status." The Judge Pro Tem who was previously assigned to hear the case (volunteer attorneys who are selected by the Court to hear small claims matters) announced that since Mr. Levy is an attorney, he was prohibited from hearing the matter. The matter was then assigned to Judge Lawrence Cho of the Superior Court for trial (someone I have appeared before previously) and rescheduled for trial on April 13.

Both Mr. Levy and representatives of HDH appeared for the scheduled trial via the LACourtConnect system yesterday. Mr. Levy informed Judge Cho that he did not want to proceed and that he wished to dismiss the case. Judge Cho then entered a written order dismissing the action with prejudice.

Once it became clear that Hart Davis Hart would not succumb to Levy's attempts to extort a settlement payment from them, Mr. Levy had nowhere left to go. As noted previously, Levy consumed and disposed of the purportedly counterfeit bottle of Leroy (which John Kapon rated a 97 point wine) and sued anyway. Virtually every fact that Mr. Levy published on multiple websites, including his own blog site and in this thread, which clearly defamed Hart Davis Hart and Allan Frischman, was demonstrably false. One of the HDH witnesses for the trial was an employee of Domaine Leroy, who was prepared to testify that the cork from the bottle claimed to be counterfeit by Mr. Levy matched the corks used by Leroy SA at the time and that, contrary to Mr. Levy's claim, the 1955 Chambertin did not have the vintage stamped on the corks -- unlike the counterfeits from Rudy Kurniawan, which did. As noted previously, and as chronicled in Peter Hellman's book (In Vino Duplicitas: The Rise and Fall of a Wine Forger Extraordinaire), all of the prior bottles that Jef Levy had consumed previously were counterfeits that he bought from Rudy Kurniawan. The Rudy Kurniawan counterfeit 1955 Chambertin that Levy purchased actually had San Rafael misspelled on the purported Martines's Wines strip labels on the bottles. As Jef Levy himself confirmed in the movie Sour Grapes, he simply refused to believe that his buddy Rudy Kurniawan could have sold him counterfeit wines, even when faced overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

So now I guess Mr. Levy can go back to his other bad behaviors.

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#9031 Post by Phil T r o t t e r »

Reminds me of a foot heavy friend who contests all his speeding tickets...

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Re: RUDY KURNIAWAN & GLOBAL WINE AUCTION FRAUD THREAD (MERGED)

#9032 Post by jeferylevy »

HATERS (especially MAJOR HATER DON CORNFELD):
1.
Martine Saunier wrote me that: "CONSOLIDATED NEVER IMPORTED LEROY."
2
The #1 BURGUNDY EXPERT IN THE WORLD wrote me that:
A.
In the hundreds/thousands of Leroy bottles he has examined he has never seen a CONSOLIDATED strip and it is "totally incorrect"
B.
The cork does not bear any resemblance to any 1955 cork he has ever seen -- not the appropriate seepage
C.
The label looks wrong
D.
Also, with re: to cork: Martine and Bize-Leroy themselves told me that all 1955 corks were stamped 1955 in honor of Henri Leroys death that year -- it was the
one exception until they began stamping the vintage on corks many years later
E.
Defective Wine Detective got all the numbers wrong with regard to the sale of the wine in question -- and, even assuming his number were correct, why would
a person purchase a wine and then, 3 months later, sell the same bottle for 30 percent less? As Columbo would say, "would you do this? I wouldnt?"

ALSO:
Hater/mental defective wine detective has all the facts wrong -- WTF? You can email me directly for the exact facts: jef@jeferylevy.com

Hater/mental defective wine detective why do you hate me and won't even return my emails to discuss the issues? You are seriously f*ck UP.


CORRECT ME IF I AM WRONG:
I cannot find one wine expert or collector IN THE WORLD who has ever seen the Consolidated Spirits Import Strip on a Leroy Bottle -- any bottle, whatsoever (including
Mental Defective Wine Detective).

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#9033 Post by Rick Joyer »

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#9034 Post by Nick Ellis »

Rick Joyer wrote: April 14th, 2021, 4:53 pm [popcorn.gif]
It appears that the @rse kicking Jefe received the last time he posted here wasn’t harsh enough. I’m looking forward to Mr. Cornwell taking the gloves off this time.
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#9035 Post by Nevin Miller »

Incoming!

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#9036 Post by Troy Stark »

Can't believe he's doubling down. If he felt so strongly, why did he dismiss his case?

The Dunning-Kruger is strong with this one...

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#9037 Post by Tom G l a s g o w »

jeferylevy wrote: April 14th, 2021, 4:43 pm HATERS (especially MAJOR HATER DON CORNFELD):
1.
Martine Saunier wrote me that: "CONSOLIDATED NEVER IMPORTED LEROY."
2
The #1 BURGUNDY EXPERT IN THE WORLD wrote me that:
A.
In the hundreds/thousands of Leroy bottles he has examined he has never seen a CONSOLIDATED strip and it is "totally incorrect"
B.
The cork does not bear any resemblance to any 1955 cork he has ever seen -- not the appropriate seepage
C.
The label looks wrong
D.
Also, with re: to cork: Martine and Bize-Leroy themselves told me that all 1955 corks were stamped 1955 in honor of Henri Leroys death that year -- it was the
one exception until they began stamping the vintage on corks many years later
E.
Defective Wine Detective got all the numbers wrong with regard to the sale of the wine in question -- and, even assuming his number were correct, why would
a person purchase a wine and then, 3 months later, sell the same bottle for 30 percent less? As Columbo would say, "would you do this? I wouldnt?"

ALSO:
Hater/mental defective wine detective has all the facts wrong -- WTF? You can email me directly for the exact facts: jef@jeferylevy.com

Hater/mental defective wine detective why do you hate me and won't even return my emails to discuss the issues? You are seriously f*ck UP.


CORRECT ME IF I AM WRONG:
I cannot find one wine expert or collector IN THE WORLD who has ever seen the Consolidated Spirits Import Strip on a Leroy Bottle -- any bottle, whatsoever (including
Mental Defective Wine Detective).

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#9038 Post by Marlon F »

Bob Davis wrote: April 14th, 2021, 11:36 am Looks like he's aged 30 years.
agree... maybe because at jail they serve cheap wine? :)
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#9039 Post by HoosJustinG »

Death, Taxes and Don being correct about Burgundy fakes. Cannot wait for the reply...
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#9040 Post by brigcampbell »

[wow.gif] Seems like a post from a totally reasonable and sane person
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#9041 Post by Mark Golodetz »

Tom G l a s g o w wrote: April 15th, 2021, 6:33 am
jeferylevy wrote: April 14th, 2021, 4:43 pm HATERS (especially MAJOR HATER DON CORNFELD):
1.
Martine Saunier wrote me that: "CONSOLIDATED NEVER IMPORTED LEROY."
2
The #1 BURGUNDY EXPERT IN THE WORLD wrote me that:
A.
In the hundreds/thousands of Leroy bottles he has examined he has never seen a CONSOLIDATED strip and it is "totally incorrect"
B.
The cork does not bear any resemblance to any 1955 cork he has ever seen -- not the appropriate seepage
C.
The label looks wrong
D.
Also, with re: to cork: Martine and Bize-Leroy themselves told me that all 1955 corks were stamped 1955 in honor of Henri Leroys death that year -- it was the
one exception until they began stamping the vintage on corks many years later
E.
Defective Wine Detective got all the numbers wrong with regard to the sale of the wine in question -- and, even assuming his number were correct, why would
a person purchase a wine and then, 3 months later, sell the same bottle for 30 percent less? As Columbo would say, "would you do this? I wouldnt?"

ALSO:
Hater/mental defective wine detective has all the facts wrong -- WTF? You can email me directly for the exact facts: jef@jeferylevy.com

Hater/mental defective wine detective why do you hate me and won't even return my emails to discuss the issues? You are seriously f*ck UP.


CORRECT ME IF I AM WRONG:
I cannot find one wine expert or collector IN THE WORLD who has ever seen the Consolidated Spirits Import Strip on a Leroy Bottle -- any bottle, whatsoever (including
Mental Defective Wine Detective).
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#9042 Post by John Danza »

Don Cornwell wrote: April 14th, 2021, 3:05 pm So now I guess Mr. Levy can go back to his other bad behaviors.

Wow, talk about a cringe-worthy video. I guess you know you're a sleezy creep when the Hollywood gal that's dressed all tarted up doesn't want you to touch her. Where are the Hollywood "Pound Me Too" people?
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#9043 Post by CJ Beazley »

John Danza wrote: April 15th, 2021, 10:56 am
Don Cornwell wrote: April 14th, 2021, 3:05 pm So now I guess Mr. Levy can go back to his other bad behaviors.

Wow, talk about a cringe-worthy video. I guess you know you're a sleezy creep when the Hollywood gal that's dressed all tarted up doesn't want you to touch her. Where are the Hollywood "Pound Me Too" people?
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#9044 Post by John Morris »

jeferylevy wrote: April 14th, 2021, 4:43 pm .... The cork does not bear any resemblance to any 1955 cork he has ever seen -- not the appropriate seepage....
Appropriate seepage is a new concept to me.
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#9045 Post by Nick Gangas »

John Morris wrote: April 15th, 2021, 5:22 pm
jeferylevy wrote: April 14th, 2021, 4:43 pm .... The cork does not bear any resemblance to any 1955 cork he has ever seen -- not the appropriate seepage....
Appropriate seepage is a new concept to me.
I has inappropriate seepage once but a course of penicillin fixed that.

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#9046 Post by Brian Gilp »

John Morris wrote: April 15th, 2021, 5:22 pm
jeferylevy wrote: April 14th, 2021, 4:43 pm .... The cork does not bear any resemblance to any 1955 cork he has ever seen -- not the appropriate seepage....
Appropriate seepage is a new concept to me.
I don’t have experience with 70 year old corks but I think it makes sense but only as supporting data. I would expect that the variability is too significant to rely on this as anything more.

While, I don’t have experience with old corks, I do have experience with aging impacts or other materials for different applications. I have seen many items that by most estimates should have failed long ago, still functioning as well as they did a decade or more prior. Why should cork, have less variability than other materials? We all know that corks can fail early and most of us have noted corks that are decades old that seem pristine. It seems quite possible that a 70 year old cork could be an outlier showing minimal age.

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#9047 Post by John Danza »

Brian Gilp wrote: April 16th, 2021, 5:39 am
John Morris wrote: April 15th, 2021, 5:22 pm
jeferylevy wrote: April 14th, 2021, 4:43 pm .... The cork does not bear any resemblance to any 1955 cork he has ever seen -- not the appropriate seepage....
Appropriate seepage is a new concept to me.
I don’t have experience with 70 year old corks but I think it makes sense but only as supporting data. I would expect that the variability is too significant to rely on this as anything more.

While, I don’t have experience with old corks, I do have experience with aging impacts or other materials for different applications. I have seen many items that by most estimates should have failed long ago, still functioning as well as they did a decade or more prior. Why should cork, have less variability than other materials? We all know that corks can fail early and most of us have noted corks that are decades old that seem pristine. It seems quite possible that a 70 year old cork could be an outlier showing minimal age.
I've opened plenty of wines in the 50+ year old category that had outstanding looking corks. These were wines owned by the group since release and stored properly.

I suspect that wine expert and Hollywood letch was mistaking leakage with ullage. But that would speak to lack of knowledge, which I think he displays regularly.
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#9048 Post by John Morris »

Brian Gilp wrote: April 16th, 2021, 5:39 am
John Morris wrote: April 15th, 2021, 5:22 pm
jeferylevy wrote: April 14th, 2021, 4:43 pm .... The cork does not bear any resemblance to any 1955 cork he has ever seen -- not the appropriate seepage....
Appropriate seepage is a new concept to me.
I don’t have experience with 70 year old corks but I think it makes sense but only as supporting data. I would expect that the variability is too significant to rely on this as anything more.

While, I don’t have experience with old corks, I do have experience with aging impacts or other materials for different applications. I have seen many items that by most estimates should have failed long ago, still functioning as well as they did a decade or more prior. Why should cork, have less variability than other materials? We all know that corks can fail early and most of us have noted corks that are decades old that seem pristine. It seems quite possible that a 70 year old cork could be an outlier showing minimal age.
Huh?

What would "appropriate seepage" be? I understand when it seems excessive (regardless of age). Was the suggestion that there was too little for a wine that old?

But it's not really worth trying to parse that guy's self-defense.
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#9049 Post by Brian Gilp »

John Morris wrote: April 16th, 2021, 8:02 am
What would "appropriate seepage" be? I understand when it seems excessive (regardless of age). Was the suggestion that there was too little for a wine that old?

But it's not really worth trying to parse that guy's self-defense.
That’s how I took it and why I stated it makes sense but only in support of other primary data. Also agree not worth debating further.

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#9050 Post by Victor Hong »

John Morris wrote: April 15th, 2021, 5:22 pm
jeferylevy wrote: April 14th, 2021, 4:43 pm .... The cork does not bear any resemblance to any 1955 cork he has ever seen -- not the appropriate seepage....
Appropriate seepage is a new concept to me.
Just like things like appropriate ethics, jumbo shrimp, and smart noodle-slingers.
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