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Re: The most underrated village in Burgundy

#51 Post by Peter Chiu » November 25th, 2011, 2:54 pm

Lee Short wrote:Chassagne-Montrachet -- for red wines.
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Re: The most underrated village in Burgundy

#52 Post by Ken McNamara » November 25th, 2011, 4:20 pm

Stuart BeauneHead Niemtzow wrote:haven't been able to figure out what it's about. Without defining anything, it seems like sort of a meaningless question. (Brochon might be the most "underrated" village, as it makes arguably the best epoisses around (especially, the raw milk version that is sold in Europe).
The thread is about Howard professing his love for MSD! Since it is hard to tell a village such a thing about its wine - he is doing it here:)

If we are talking cheese then Beaune is the most underrated - Alain Hess' Delice de Pommard is the best cheese I have ever had bar none! It was created to be paired with the regions "rogue" which it does, but it has a finish that disappears and then comes back forcing one to impulsively eat more that it is good enough on its own.

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Re: The most underrated village in Burgundy

#53 Post by Scott Brunson » November 25th, 2011, 4:36 pm

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Stuart BeauneHead Niemtzow wrote:haven't been able to figure out what it's about. Without defining anything, it seems like sort of a meaningless question. (Brochon might be the most "underrated" village, as it makes arguably the best epoisses around (especially, the raw milk version that is sold in Europe).
The thread is about Howard professing his love for MSD! Since it is hard to tell a village such a thing about its wine - he is doing it here:)

If we are talking cheese then Beaune is the most underrated - Alain Hess' Delice de Pommard is the best cheese I have ever had bar none! It was created to be paired with the regions "rogue" which it does, but it has a finish that disappears and then comes back forcing one to impulsively eat more that it is good enough on its own.
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Re: The most underrated village in Burgundy

#54 Post by maureen nelson » November 25th, 2011, 9:59 pm

Ken McNamara wrote: The thread is about Howard professing his love for MSD! Since it is hard to tell a village such a thing about its wine - he is doing it here:)

If we are talking cheese then Beaune is the most underrated - Alain Hess' Delice de Pommard is the best cheese I have ever had bar none! It was created to be paired with the regions "rogue" which it does, but it has a finish that disappears and then comes back forcing one to impulsively eat more that it is good enough on its own.
Terrific post - because you nailed what the thread is about - and you've identified the most delicious cheese anywhere! Delice de Pommard was served to me at a dinner in a home this summer in burgundy by a knowledgeable local and the group insisted we get to eat it several more times during the week. I tried to figure out how to get some home but didn't. I don't suppose you know of anyone importing it, do you?

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Re: The most underrated village in Burgundy

#55 Post by Anthony Hall » November 25th, 2011, 10:06 pm

maureen nelson wrote:
Ken McNamara wrote: The thread is about Howard professing his love for MSD! Since it is hard to tell a village such a thing about its wine - he is doing it here:)

If we are talking cheese then Beaune is the most underrated - Alain Hess' Delice de Pommard is the best cheese I have ever had bar none! It was created to be paired with the regions "rogue" which it does, but it has a finish that disappears and then comes back forcing one to impulsively eat more that it is good enough on its own.
Terrific post - because you nailed what the thread is about - and you've identified the most delicious cheese anywhere! Delice de Pommard was served to me at a dinner in a home this summer in burgundy by a knowledgeable local and the group insisted we get to eat it several more times during the week. I tried to figure out how to get some home but didn't. I don't suppose you know of anyone importing it, do you?
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Re: The most underrated village in Burgundy

#56 Post by Tom Blach » November 26th, 2011, 12:24 am

I'm not sure that MSD is underrated. What I would say to someone who knew nothing of Burgundy, though, is that if you're going to pick a wine blind then the Morey label gives a better chance of success than any other.
I'm not sure that the rustic and age-requiring reds from Chassagne will ever be popular, but I love them. The catch js that they generally need at least 25 years, though Ramonet can be enjoyed younger.
Pommard is now very underrated. It has been stuck with the image of its worst wines which are indeed impenetrable, heavy and dull. One has to try quite hard to find these nowadays though.

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Re: The most underrated village in Burgundy

#57 Post by Scott Brunson » November 26th, 2011, 2:00 am

Tom Blach wrote:I'm not sure that MSD is underrated. What I would say to someone who knew nothing of Burgundy, though, is that if you're going to pick a wine blind then the Morey label gives a better chance of success than any other.
I'm not sure that the rustic and age-requiring reds from Chassagne will ever be popular, but I love them. The catch js that they generally need at least 25 years, though Ramonet can be enjoyed younger.
Pommard is now very underrated. It has been stuck with the image of its worst wines which are indeed impenetrable, heavy and dull. One has to try quite hard to find these nowadays though.
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Re: The most underrated village in Burgundy

#58 Post by Tom Blach » November 26th, 2011, 5:04 am

Courcel can scarcely put a foot wrong these days. The 2004 Bourgogne rouge was one of my wines of the year last year.

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Re: The most underrated village in Burgundy

#59 Post by Howard Cooper » November 26th, 2011, 7:02 am

Ken McNamara wrote:
Stuart BeauneHead Niemtzow wrote:haven't been able to figure out what it's about. Without defining anything, it seems like sort of a meaningless question. (Brochon might be the most "underrated" village, as it makes arguably the best epoisses around (especially, the raw milk version that is sold in Europe).
The thread is about Howard professing his love for MSD! Since it is hard to tell a village such a thing about its wine - he is doing it here:)

If we are talking cheese then Beaune is the most underrated - Alain Hess' Delice de Pommard is the best cheese I have ever had bar none! It was created to be paired with the regions "rogue" which it does, but it has a finish that disappears and then comes back forcing one to impulsively eat more that it is good enough on its own.
I will have to try that cheese next time I go to Burgundy. Right now, my favorite cheeses are Swiss, the mountain cheeses like Hoch Ybrig, Napf Kase, etc. See, e.g., http://www.artisanalcheese.com/cheese/ or http://www.arrowine.com/cheese.aspx or http://www.rolfbeeler.ch/cheese/cheese.asp
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Re: The most underrated village in Burgundy

#60 Post by Berry Crawford » November 26th, 2011, 7:09 am

Why are we all dancin around the obvious? Its clearly Vosne Romanee.

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Re: The most underrated village in Burgundy

#61 Post by Ken McNamara » November 26th, 2011, 7:27 am

Howard Cooper wrote:
Ken McNamara wrote:[http://www.arrowine.com/cheese.aspx or
Perry can order it for you.

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Re: The most underrated village in Burgundy

#62 Post by Howard Cooper » November 26th, 2011, 8:03 am

Ken McNamara wrote:
Howard Cooper wrote:
Ken McNamara wrote:[http://www.arrowine.com/cheese.aspx or
Perry can order it for you.
I will talk with him next time I go in. Thanks.
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Re: The most underrated village in Burgundy

#63 Post by Dan Kravitz » November 28th, 2011, 6:26 pm

Great call on Chassagne for reds.

Besides Chandon des Briailles, good call on Rapet for Ile des Vergelesses. Delarche is a real contender. Rollin and Dubreuil also good but not on the same level. There are other producers, but what I've had hasn't impressed.

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Re: The most underrated village in Burgundy

#64 Post by Ray Walker » November 29th, 2011, 1:06 am

I would say red Chassagne. Look at the reputation Clos St Jean lost. Prices dwarfed those of Le Montrachet...
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#65 Post by Guillaume Deschamps » November 29th, 2011, 2:16 am

Ray Walker wrote:I would say red Chassagne. Look at the reputation Clos St Jean lost. Prices dwarfed those of Le Montrachet...
I much preferred this thread when people were focusing on Pernand-Vergelesses.
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#66 Post by Howard Cooper » November 29th, 2011, 6:16 am

Ken McNamara wrote:The thread is about Howard professing his love for MSD! Since it is hard to tell a village such a thing about its wine - he is doing it here:)
I have also told the village about my love for the wine. Or at least professed my love for MSD when in MSD. Next time I am there, should I express my love to the village or the vineyards?
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Re: The most underrated village in Burgundy

#67 Post by Peter Chiu » November 29th, 2011, 7:12 am

Dan Kravitz wrote:Great call on Chassagne for reds.

Besides Chandon des Briailles, good call on Rapet for Ile des Vergelesses. Delarche is a real contender. Rollin and Dubreuil also good but not on the same level. There are other producers, but what I've had hasn't impressed.

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While most of Pavelot's reds are from S-L-Beaune but he does make Les Vergelesses ( but no Ile des Vergelesses).

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#68 Post by Ken McNamara » November 29th, 2011, 4:14 pm

Howard Cooper wrote:
Ken McNamara wrote:The thread is about Howard professing his love for MSD! Since it is hard to tell a village such a thing about its wine - he is doing it here:)
I have also told the village about my love for the wine. Or at least professed my love for MSD when in MSD. Next time I am there, should I express my love to the village or the vineyards?
You can profess to both, but not in earshot of your wife and definitely not in earshot of the adjoining Chambolle or Gevrey!

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#69 Post by Stuart BeauneHead Niemtzow » November 30th, 2011, 4:22 am

He could just kiss both Truchots....wherever he wants. They could be his medium. Seal the deal.

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#70 Post by Gaudissabois Johan » May 25th, 2020, 10:28 am

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Nuits-St-Georges overrated? You must be joking : never drank Nuits by Chevillon, Thibault Liger-Belair (les Saint Georges), Gouges or Grivot ? Underrated I say : these are wines that are sold at reasonable prices compared to Vosne/ Chambolle...
Morey underrrated ? Don't think so. the Morey villages and premier crus are generally speaking much less fine than their neigbour counterparts. I fully agree that their grands crus CLOS de TART and Clos des Lambrays are now top-notch with prices to match.

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Re: The most underrated village in Burgundy

#71 Post by Marcus Goodfellow » May 25th, 2020, 10:38 am

Peter Chiu wrote:
November 24th, 2011, 8:19 am
Guillaume Deschamps wrote:Most underrated... not really. Although it's true that the village wines and some 1ers from Morey are, maybe, less heralded than those of the other villages in Côte de Nuits, the Grand Crus are really famous, especially since Clos de Tart and Clos des Lambrays have been improving in the last 10+ years.
Kitting aside.....I agree with Guillaume that MSD is less heralded. [thumbs-up.gif]

Since we are talking about **MOST** underrated, I would say : P-Vergellesses, speailly so in North America.
This is my vote as well. Although with Burgundy price increased from 2011, I don’t really like saying it “out loud”.

...and I also love Clos de Lambrays, Clos St. Denis, and Clos de la Roche, but have had too many meh village Morey wines.
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Re: The most underrated village in Burgundy

#72 Post by Thomas Keim » May 26th, 2020, 4:01 pm

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#73 Post by Mattstolz » May 26th, 2020, 6:14 pm

my most underrated is probably Volnay.

otherwise maybe NSG

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#74 Post by Marc Frontario » July 31st, 2020, 8:40 pm

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