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Re: If I had to limit my buying to 10 producers ....

#201 Post by NED VALOIS » January 7th, 2019, 11:32 am

AUBERT
VEUVE GD
MYRIAD
DOMINUS
MAYBACH
HAUT BRION
LATOUR
CHAVE
ABREU
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#202 Post by Brian G r a f s t r o m » January 7th, 2019, 12:07 pm

Brian G r a f s t r o m wrote:
November 16th, 2011, 8:33 pm
hard question since I don't know what I don't know ...

This is based off what I can afford, and also with an eye towards diversity. That being said, I submit the following.

JJ Prum
Arcadian
Mas de Boislauzon
Tablas Creek
Royal Tokaji Wine Company
M. Chapoutier
Clos des Papes
Maison Ilan
Chateau Musar
Krug

... subject to change upon further reflection ...
Things have changed a bit over 7 years ...
Arcadian
Rhys
Grand Puy Lacoste
Baudry
Guiberteau
JJ Prum
Fourrier
Equipo Navazos
Musar
Lopez de Heredia
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#203 Post by Eric S n y d e r » January 7th, 2019, 12:21 pm

These 6 for sure:
Bedrock
Whitcraft
Patricia Green
Lopez de Heredia
Ridge
Produttori del Barbaresco

The last 4 would be tough:
Classic Napa cab: Montelena or Corison or Forman (pick 1)
More modern Napa cab: Rivers-Marie or William & Mary (pick 1)
Would need to think long and hard about a Rhône pick, and a BDX pick.

And I just realized I don’t have a sparkling wine producer. I give up.

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#204 Post by crickey » January 7th, 2019, 12:24 pm

Is this meant to be realistic in the sense of 10 producers I can actually afford to buy? If so, I would think it would look a lot like the top 10 producers I actually buy (except with more Chateau Margaux).
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#205 Post by Eric S n y d e r » January 7th, 2019, 12:57 pm

crickey wrote:
January 7th, 2019, 12:24 pm
Is this meant to be realistic in the sense of 10 producers I can actually afford to buy? If so, I would think it would look a lot like the top 10 producers I actually buy (except with more Chateau Margaux).
I made my list assuming I can only buy from my list, but I’m still using “real money”

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#206 Post by Mark Y » January 7th, 2019, 1:05 pm

Krug
Selosse
Dujac
Rousseau
Margaux
Latour
Donhoff
Prum
Giacosa

for the 10th i'll throw in DRC. since with 10 producers EVER, i can splurge once in a never..
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#207 Post by crickey » January 7th, 2019, 1:33 pm

Looks like a bunch of cherry-pickers here.

Not that there's anything wrong with that.
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#208 Post by Mark Y » January 7th, 2019, 1:35 pm

crickey wrote:
January 7th, 2019, 1:33 pm
Looks like a bunch of cherry-pickers here.

Not that there's anything wrong with that.
about as realistic as being actually limited to 10 producers ;)
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#209 Post by Ron Erickson » January 7th, 2019, 3:03 pm

Langoa Barton/Branaire Ducru
Jadot/Bouchard
Produttori/Vietti
Felsina
Selbach Oster/Schaefer
Ridge/Dom & Mount Eden
Sandler/Dehlinger
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#210 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » January 7th, 2019, 3:05 pm

crickey wrote:
January 7th, 2019, 1:33 pm
Looks like a bunch of cherry-pickers here.

Not that there's anything wrong with that.
Lol, bastards!

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#211 Post by Jesse Tofte » January 7th, 2019, 3:40 pm

Cruse (I'm cheating and including Ultramarine in this)
Bedrock
Jadot
Roederer
Quilceda Creek
Rotie Cellars
Cayuse
Savage Grace
Huet
Rieussec

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#212 Post by Michael O'Brien » January 7th, 2019, 3:51 pm

Latour
Margaux
Huet
Thomas (Dundee Hills)
Weinbach
Roberto Voerzio
Louis Roederer
Lopez de Heredia
Alvaro Palacios
Joh. Jos. Prüm
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#213 Post by Andrew Demaree » January 7th, 2019, 4:10 pm

Myriad
EMH
Rivers-Marie
O’Shaughnessy
Bedrock
Carlisle
Limerick Lane
Enfield
Vajra
Schramsberg

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#214 Post by Alex N » January 7th, 2019, 4:17 pm

Without giving too much thought
Alban
Christopher Tynan
Merry Edwards
Ultramarine
Haut-Brion
Drinkward Pechon
Dominus
Guigal
Salon
SQN
Alex Nichols

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#215 Post by Nick Gangas » January 7th, 2019, 5:33 pm

OK let's try this.

Rayas
Allemand
Massolino
Rousseau
Roumier
Angerville
Vogue
Roulot
Raveneau
DRC

Too much ?

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Re: If I had to limit my buying to 10 producers ....

#216 Post by e chin » January 7th, 2019, 5:40 pm

Nick Gangas wrote:
January 7th, 2019, 5:33 pm
OK let's try this.

Rayas
Allemand
Massolino
Rousseau
Roumier
Angerville
Vogue
Roulot
Raveneau
DRC

Too much ?
Nope, I just wish I had your wallet flirtysmile
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#217 Post by maureen nelson » January 7th, 2019, 5:52 pm

Hmmm

Mugneret-Gibourg
Grivot
Hudelot Noellot
Huet
Vajra
Selbach-Oster
JJ Prum
Carillon
Fritz Haag (or maybe Max Ferd Richter)
Trimbach

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#218 Post by Albert R » January 7th, 2019, 6:39 pm

Baer
Becklyn
Bedrock
Carlisle
Jaffurs
Myriad
Neal
Rivers-Marie
Rotie
Rudius
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#219 Post by Kirk.Grant » January 7th, 2019, 7:03 pm

I thought if it was going to make sense, then the wineries should be wineries that I've bought wines from in the last 12 months.

Weingut Keller
Chateau Musar
Domaine Guiberteau
Eyrie Vineyards
Comm. G.B. Burlotto
Bachelet-Monnot
Pierre Péters
Krug
Gérard Boulay
Bartlett
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#220 Post by Craig G » January 7th, 2019, 7:22 pm

I actually wrote such a list in an attempt to limit my buying, but the net effect was to focus my buying. I have been pretty good at sticking to it for “cellar” purchases, though I will still buy other things as one-offs or everyday drinkers. My list had more than ten but I would pare it down as follows:

Gerard Mugneret
Dujac
JM Vincent
Conseillante
Pichon Lalande
Trevallon
Chateau des Tours
Chave (St. Joseph only these days)
Ulysse Collin
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#221 Post by AndyK » January 7th, 2019, 7:42 pm

Limiting to 10 means I'd really have to think about how to balance the wines (variety, price) and keep it interesting vs just buying the favorites and ending up with too little variety and too expensive wines for every day drinking...

Jean Foillard (just love the wines)
Arnot-Roberts (great overall, especially Chardonnay, Syrah, Cabernet, and Pinot)
Rhys (Pinot!)
G.D. Vajra (good Barberas, Albe for every day Nebbiolo cravings, BdV for the weekend :))
Produttori del Barbaresco (similar to above with regular vs riserva)
F.X. Pichler (Rieslings and Grüner!)
Tement (great on the lower end for summer sippers and higher end for serious SB)
Fevre (really like the style, let's just assume they fixed their premox issues)
Levet (can't do without Syrah and I like it gamier)
Taittinger (definitely need some bubbles and this is probably the best place to satisfy both lower and higher end needs)
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#222 Post by Marcus Goodfellow » January 7th, 2019, 10:23 pm

AndyK wrote:
January 7th, 2019, 7:42 pm
Limiting to 10 means I'd really have to think about how to balance the wines (variety, price) and keep it interesting vs just buying the favorites and ending up with too little variety and too expensive wines for every day drinking...
I completely agree with your rationale.

1) Bereche
2) Lassaigne
3) Merkelbach
4) Schloss Gobelsberg (while they make quite a range of wines, I chose SG over Alzinger specifically because of the “Tradition” Riesling. That wine alone would put them on this list)
5) Thibaud Bourdignon
6) Carillon
7) Joseph Voillot (lovely wines, less expensive than the big guns, and will scratch the burgundy itch)
8) Evesham Wood (same as Voillot but for Oregon)
9) Marcel Juge
10) Clos Rougeard

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#223 Post by Tom Reddick » January 7th, 2019, 10:56 pm

Now that I am slowing the purchases quite a bit, 10 producers is about right for not only going forward but also the bulk of what I have,

Willi Schaefer
Magdelaine
JJ Prum
Fritz Haag
Meo-Camuzet
Joseph Drouhin
Krug
Von Schubert
Soldera
Louis Jadot
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#224 Post by Martin Petersen » January 8th, 2019, 6:03 am

Interesting exercise. I’ll go with

Soldera
B. Mascarello
G. Mascarello
Brovia
Salvioni
Krug
Billecart-Salmon
Larmandier-Bernier
PYCM
Bertheau

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#225 Post by Jayson Cohen » January 8th, 2019, 6:28 am

Another near impossible task. Not that I’m buying wine anymore. But if I was....

This list would have looked a little different 5, 10, 15, 20 years ago, and to be frank, if I didn’t have kids, it would almost certainly look very different - it would include Rousseau and Raveneau for sure, probably Roulot as well. It also looks different than a similar exercise I’ve run in my head, which is what 10 wineries would I keep if I otherwise had to liquidate my cellar.

Huet
Lopez de Heredia
Francois Cotat
Roederer
Schaefer
von Schubert
Falkenstein
VCC (for my Bordeaux fix although now pricey)
Allemand (for my N. Rhône fix although now pricey)
Rollin (because this list can’t not have Burgundy on it and Rollin covers white and red)

The eleventh would certainly have been Vilmart.

I thought it interesting that folks above identify producers that don’t exist any more, like two of my favorites, Magdelaine and Juge.

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#226 Post by A Songeur » January 8th, 2019, 7:12 am

Bit late to the party...

Taittinger (because of range diversity)
Von Schubert
Chave
Vernay
VCC
Pichon Lalande
Fourrier
Barthod
Mugneret Gibourg
Roumier
PYCM
Dauvissat

I suppose I have to stop here...Very unfair to Burg (Grivot, Castagnier, Laurent, Voillot, Montille, Mugnier, Dujac...) and to Riesling (Schaeffer, Keller, Haag, ...) and to many others.
Could also be embarrassing if I could buy all of them (for my bank manager...)
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#227 Post by Tom Reddick » January 8th, 2019, 7:16 am

Jayson Cohen wrote:
January 8th, 2019, 6:28 am
I thought it interesting that folks above identify producers that don’t exist any more, like two of my favorites, Magdelaine and Juge.
For my part, I indicated Magdelaine because I am still actively backfilling older vintages. 2016 is pretty much the end of the line for me in new vintages of Bordeaux, and so the 3-4 cases a year of Magdelaine I buy- on average- of older vintages has become a top 10 in terms of bottle count.
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#228 Post by Russell Faulkner » January 8th, 2019, 7:22 am

Looking back, I really have ‘enough’ of all of the producers I listed back when this started.

So I’d probably go with a totally different list including Julian Haart, Keller, Weisser-Kunstler, Trossen, Spater-Veit, Julg, Krug, Tremblay, DP and Accomasso.

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#229 Post by kyledorsey » January 8th, 2019, 7:42 am

I'm limiting this to wines that I have a lot of experience with--excluding fantasy buys and wines that I've only experienced once. It's reflective of a my most common consumption habits though I would squeeze in Wiesser Kunstler if I had an extra spot.
Domaine Huet
Olga Raffault
Pierre-Yves Colin-Morey
Chartogne-Taillet
Montevertine
Paolo Bea
Roagna
Raul Perez
Alzinger
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#230 Post by Jayson Cohen » January 8th, 2019, 9:26 am

Tom Reddick wrote:
January 8th, 2019, 7:16 am
Jayson Cohen wrote:
January 8th, 2019, 6:28 am
I thought it interesting that folks above identify producers that don’t exist any more, like two of my favorites, Magdelaine and Juge.
For my part, I indicated Magdelaine because I am still actively backfilling older vintages. 2016 is pretty much the end of the line for me in new vintages of Bordeaux, and so the 3-4 cases a year of Magdelaine I buy- on average- of older vintages has become a top 10 in terms of bottle count.
Got it. I suppose then that either Magdelaine or pre-2002 DDC would be the next Bordeaux on my list. But Juge and Verset are now prohibitively expensive (and very difficult to find in the case of Juge in particular) to think about any serious backfilling. I did what I could when I could.

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#231 Post by Richard T r i m p i » January 8th, 2019, 9:49 am

Bereche
Pepiere
Metras or Chamonard
Catherine & Pierre Breton
Burgundy, so torn as prices are too high...but I'd lean towards Bouchard for their wide selection and quality.
Texier
Montevertine
Oddero
Edmunds St. John
Oregon....so hard to narrow it down. Probably Cameron, but Belle Pente is right there...among others.

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#232 Post by Subu Ramachandran » January 8th, 2019, 8:05 pm

kyledorsey wrote:
January 8th, 2019, 7:42 am
I'm limiting this to wines that I have a lot of experience with--excluding fantasy buys and wines that I've only experienced once. It's reflective of a my most common consumption habits though I would squeeze in Wiesser Kunstler if I had an extra spot.
Domaine Huet
Olga Raffault
Pierre-Yves Colin-Morey
Chartogne-Taillet
Montevertine
Paolo Bea
Roagna
Raul Perez
Alzinger
Pax
Glad to see another person put Raul Perez on their list...

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#233 Post by Michael Manix » January 9th, 2019, 9:25 am

I'd be happy with.

Rhys
Ridge
Cabot
ABC
Constanti
Felsina
Monsanto
Vietti
Vajra
Leoville Poyferre

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#234 Post by Howard Cooper » January 9th, 2019, 11:50 am

crickey wrote:
January 7th, 2019, 1:33 pm
Looks like a bunch of cherry-pickers here.

Not that there's anything wrong with that.
Does this mean that your top ten includes Gallo Hearty Burgundy and Kendall Jackson Chardonnay?
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#235 Post by Bud Carey » January 9th, 2019, 12:04 pm

He will drink no wine before its time!!!
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#236 Post by Howard Cooper » January 9th, 2019, 12:05 pm

Howard Cooper wrote:
November 2nd, 2016, 9:40 am

My list would also have changed a good bit. It would be:

Truchot
Ridge
Mugneret-Gibourg
Zilliken
Cecile Tremblay
Ducru Beaucaillou
Climens
Schloss Lieser
PYCM
Cedric Bouchard
Updating my list a bit.

I would keep

Truchot
Ridge
Mugneret-Gibourg
Zilliken
Climens

Replace

Cecile Tremblay with Hudelot Noellat (I am buying more HN these days - they are better values than the Tremblays)
Ducru Beaucaillou with Haut Brion (I still love Ducru, but I guess if I am going to drink Bordeaux, it might as well be to splurge)
Schloss Lieser with Reinhold Haart (I go back and forth on these two and love them both - I could also name JJ Prum or von Schubert here)
PYCM with Ramonet (I guess over the past two years the Ramonets I have had have been a bit better than the wines from PYCM, plus I get the CM reds; alternatively, I could name Bernard Moreau here)
Cedric Bouchard with Ruinart (prices for Bouchard have gone up so that they are not the bargains they were and I get in addition to the Ruinart wines the Dom Ruinarts for splurges. I came close to saying Taittinger as the Comte de Champagne is a better value than the Dom Ruinart, but the NV wines at Ruinart are a lot better IMHO than are anything from Taittinger other than the Comte)
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#237 Post by dvansteenderen » January 9th, 2019, 4:47 pm

If money is no issue:

Coche-Dury
d' Auvenay
DRC
Egon Müller
Keller
Leroy
Raveneau
Rayas
Rousseau
Soldera

If money is an issue:

Clos des Papes
Coquard Loison Fleurot
Dujac
Henri Boillot
Kai Schätzel
Le Chiuse
Ramonet
Raveneau
Rousseau
Schloss Lieser
David van Steenderen

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#238 Post by AndyK » January 9th, 2019, 6:16 pm

money is not much of an issue then :P
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#239 Post by P. ONeill » January 9th, 2019, 6:27 pm

I reckon I'd be pretty happy with the list below:

Bereche
Philipponnat
Arnot Roberts (somewhat surprised to see them only once on this thread given the quality and variety)
Dauvissat (my experiences of premox with them are clearly lower than those of others)
PYCM
Leoville Barton
Benetiere (assuming Pierre ever lets any more wine out the gate)
Keller
Musar
Conti Costanti
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#240 Post by Edward Liu » January 10th, 2019, 12:57 am

I would choose:

DRC
Leroy
Mugneret-Gibourg
Emmanuel Rouget
Krug
Giacomo Conterno
Rousseau
Roumier
Jadot

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#241 Post by Phil M » January 10th, 2019, 6:13 am

MacDonald
Realm
Myriad
Carter
Gargiulo
Les Hauts de Smith
Rivers-Marie
Bevan
Schramsberg
PYCM
Ph!l M@rx

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#242 Post by Andrew Dodd » January 10th, 2019, 9:00 am

Saxum
Cayuse
Sine Qua Non
Booker
Clos Saint Jean
Schrader Cellars
Janasse
Alban
Marcassin
Shafer

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