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#151 Post by Phil S t a f f o r d » November 23rd, 2011, 7:43 am

Way late to the thread, but great question. My intial response was to bang off my 10 favorite producers but after reading the thread, have new perspective. Also surprised by the French heavy response.

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#152 Post by Guillaume Deschamps » November 23rd, 2011, 7:52 am

Brian G r a f s t r o m wrote:If Burg. really is "Just that incredible," is it so incredible that it makes Burg-heads less adventurous and varied in their tastes?
I think the answer is: what's the point of drinking any wine when you could be drinking a wine from Burgundy instead? [cheers.gif]

My list would have 2 red burgs, 2 white burgs (1 chablis), 2 northern rhones, 1 southern rhone, 1 loire, 1 champagne and 1 alsace (or german riesling). These 10 producers probably correspond to half of my cellar, and 80% of my current wine buying. And I've had a hard time cutting a couple of red burg producers to keep some diversity.
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#153 Post by ki punwar » November 23rd, 2011, 8:53 am

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Charvin
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Fourrier
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#154 Post by Isaac James Baker » November 23rd, 2011, 9:19 am

ki punwar wrote:Araujo
Ausone
Donnhoff
Charvin
Janasse
Fourrier
Gouges
Guigal LaLas
Huet
D'Yquem
I totally forgot about Charvin, but that's high up on my list. Some of the best CDPs I've ever had.
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#155 Post by Chris Doty » November 23rd, 2011, 10:10 am

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#156 Post by Howard Cooper » November 23rd, 2011, 10:16 am

Brian G r a f s t r o m wrote:I find it interesting that, thus far, the lists that are dominated by one region are almost always dominated by Burgundy.

Are Burg-heads less adventurous and/or varied in their tastes than those who prefer other regions?
I think you need to go back and look at all the lists dominated by California wines.
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#157 Post by Howard Cooper » November 23rd, 2011, 10:18 am

Isaac James Baker wrote:
Deacon Chapin wrote:My 10 would look something like this given affordability constraints:

Huet
Lopez de Heredia
Alvaro Palacios
Proddutori
D. Ventura
Azienda Agricola COS
Gruet
Westport Rivers (they're local and quite good, and if I can only buy from 10, would be nice if one was around the corner)
FX Pichler
Boekenhoutskloof
i'm glad someone else put FX Pichler on the list. i was wondering if i was the only one. i simply must have FX Pichler wines. all of them.
You have obviously been spending a lot of time in Cleveland Park at Weygandt Wines. [cheers.gif]
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#158 Post by Scott Brunson » November 23rd, 2011, 10:19 am

Isaac James Baker wrote:
Deacon Chapin wrote:My 10 would look something like this given affordability constraints:

Huet
Lopez de Heredia
Alvaro Palacios
Proddutori
D. Ventura
Azienda Agricola COS
Gruet
Westport Rivers (they're local and quite good, and if I can only buy from 10, would be nice if one was around the corner)
FX Pichler
Boekenhoutskloof
i'm glad someone else put FX Pichler on the list. i was wondering if i was the only one. i simply must have FX Pichler wines. all of them.
We did a tasting of FX P a few years ago and there were so many bottles that we had nearly half of each remaining at the end of the tasting. They sat, unrefrigerated and uncorked, for about 4 days. Every day I would do a small taste of each. The third day was the crazy one. The never did oxidize--just faded a little on the fruit by the 5th day.
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#159 Post by Scott Brunson » November 23rd, 2011, 10:21 am

Howard Cooper wrote:
Brian G r a f s t r o m wrote:I find it interesting that, thus far, the lists that are dominated by one region are almost always dominated by Burgundy.

Are Burg-heads less adventurous and/or varied in their tastes than those who prefer other regions?
I think you need to go back and look at all the lists dominated by California wines.
I'm a Burg-Head but my list was pretty diverse
of course my amended list is more like TWENTY producers.
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#160 Post by Howard Cooper » November 23rd, 2011, 10:30 am

Scott Brunson wrote:
Howard Cooper wrote:
Brian G r a f s t r o m wrote:I find it interesting that, thus far, the lists that are dominated by one region are almost always dominated by Burgundy.

Are Burg-heads less adventurous and/or varied in their tastes than those who prefer other regions?
I think you need to go back and look at all the lists dominated by California wines.
I'm a Burg-Head but my list was pretty diverse
of course my amended list is more like TWENTY producers.

I also love Burgundy, but did try to be diverse. I have 4 Burg producers, 3 German wine producers, 1 producer from Alsace, 1 from Champagne and 1 from California on my list.
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#161 Post by M. Dildine » November 23rd, 2011, 10:49 am

Howard Cooper wrote: I think you need to go back and look at all the lists dominated by California wines.
In terms of "diversity" California simply cannot be compared with Burgundy (overall acreage, geology and soils, grape varieties planted, climatic variation, etc.).

Yes, Burgundy is remarkably diverse in terms of microclimate, geology and soil types - but I would argue no more diverse than say the Santa Cruz Mountains.
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#162 Post by Bill Tex Landreth » November 23rd, 2011, 10:57 am

M. Dildine wrote:
Howard Cooper wrote: I think you need to go back and look at all the lists dominated by California wines.
In terms of "diversity" California simply cannot be compared with Burgundy (overall acreage, geology and soils, grape varieties planted, climatic variation, etc.).

Yes, Burgundy is remarkably diverse in terms of microclimate, geology and soil types - but I would argue no more diverse than say the Santa Cruz Mountains.
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#163 Post by Scott Brunson » November 23rd, 2011, 10:57 am

Scott Brunson wrote:also no particular order

Raveneau
Dujac
Grivot
Janasse
Barroche
Schrader
Continuum
Carlisle
Saxum
Copain
my original--have to add
Chandon de Briailles
Ghislaine Barthod
Trapet
Pichler/Prager (counts as one?)
Donnhoff

new thread needed?
If I had to limit my buying to 15 (and a half) producers...?
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#164 Post by Isaac James Baker » November 23rd, 2011, 11:15 am

Scott Brunson wrote:
Isaac James Baker wrote:
Deacon Chapin wrote:My 10 would look something like this given affordability constraints:

Huet
Lopez de Heredia
Alvaro Palacios
Proddutori
D. Ventura
Azienda Agricola COS
Gruet
Westport Rivers (they're local and quite good, and if I can only buy from 10, would be nice if one was around the corner)
FX Pichler
Boekenhoutskloof
i'm glad someone else put FX Pichler on the list. i was wondering if i was the only one. i simply must have FX Pichler wines. all of them.
We did a tasting of FX P a few years ago and there were so many bottles that we had nearly half of each remaining at the end of the tasting. They sat, unrefrigerated and uncorked, for about 4 days. Every day I would do a small taste of each. The third day was the crazy one. The never did oxidize--just faded a little on the fruit by the 5th day.
I've done several tasting with multiple Pichlers, and, especially the young ones, hold up great after being opened. They are some of the white wines that, when young, do good with a decant.
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#165 Post by Isaac James Baker » November 23rd, 2011, 11:21 am

Howard Cooper wrote:
Isaac James Baker wrote:
Deacon Chapin wrote:My 10 would look something like this given affordability constraints:

Huet
Lopez de Heredia
Alvaro Palacios
Proddutori
D. Ventura
Azienda Agricola COS
Gruet
Westport Rivers (they're local and quite good, and if I can only buy from 10, would be nice if one was around the corner)
FX Pichler
Boekenhoutskloof
i'm glad someone else put FX Pichler on the list. i was wondering if i was the only one. i simply must have FX Pichler wines. all of them.
You have obviously been spending a lot of time in Cleveland Park at Weygandt Wines. [cheers.gif]
Oh yeah. Been there since it first opened. I live a few blocks away and my tasting group kind of adopted this place as our tasting home.
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#166 Post by Frank H Herfjord » November 23rd, 2011, 12:06 pm

Benjamin Leroux
Sylvain Cathiard
Denis Mortet
Domaine Leflaive
Louis Roederer
Veuve Clicquot Ponsardin
Charles Heidsieck
Gimonnet
Chateau Palmer
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#167 Post by Brian G r a f s t r o m » November 23rd, 2011, 1:12 pm

Howard Cooper wrote:
Brian G r a f s t r o m wrote:I find it interesting that, thus far, the lists that are dominated by one region are almost always dominated by Burgundy.

Are Burg-heads less adventurous and/or varied in their tastes than those who prefer other regions?
I think you need to go back and look at all the lists dominated by California wines.
"California" is not a wine region, and "California" is not dominated by only two grape varieties.
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#168 Post by Doug Lee » November 23rd, 2011, 2:09 pm

Freddy Mugnier
Comtes Lafon
de Montille
Rousseau
Arcadian
Rhys
Scherrer
Giacomo Conterno
Sandrone
Donnhoff

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#169 Post by Wes Barton » November 24th, 2011, 3:29 am

Ridge
Rhys
Maisan Ilan
Stefania (close friends)
Harrington (close friend)
Lafaurie-Peyraguey
Mount Eden
Arcadian
Nicholson Vineyards
Sandler
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#170 Post by C. Grimm » December 19th, 2011, 2:09 pm

Posting late to this one, because of some year-end analysis I'm doing:
Beaux Freres
Beringer
Chehalem
Navarro
Owen Roe
Quilceda Creek
Ridge
Scholium Project
Sineann
Turley
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#171 Post by p. raghib » December 19th, 2011, 9:06 pm

SQN
Guigal
Ridge
Donnhoff
Jadot
Vega Sicilia
Vilmart
Kracher
Usseglio
Barbeito
...I'd really like to add a couple, but for now this would work. This is in no particular order
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#172 Post by Bill Klapp (deactivated) » December 20th, 2011, 5:14 am

Haut-Brion
Margaux
DRC
Dauvissat
Beaucastel (primarily for Hommage a Jacques Perrin)
Rayas
Krug
Giacosa
Giacomo Conterno
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#173 Post by Bill Bøykin » December 20th, 2011, 6:02 am

Following one Bill with another:

d'Oliveira
Rousseau
Dujac
Leroy
Haut Brion
Cheval Blanc
Krug
G Conterno
Giacosa
Bartolo,G Mascarello
G Rinaldi
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#174 Post by L Goldsmith » December 20th, 2011, 8:34 am

Saxum
SQN
Rivers Marie
Maybach
Carlisle
Baumard
d'Yquem
Fritz Haag
Donnhoff
Copain
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#175 Post by Ian Fitzsimmons » December 20th, 2011, 9:13 am

Brian Gilp wrote:Ridge
Niepoort
Linden (VA)
Arcadian
J. J. Prum
Muga
Paolo bea
Terradora
Pierre peters
Jadot
Cool to see Linden on a list. We just opened an 05 Hardscabble, and I realize I need to shop there more often. Also cool to see Rougeard and Pepiere on the same list (Matt Lutchie).

Good topic. My purchases are so all over the place, it's hard to settle on 10. Something like:

Pepiere;
Bize;
Chandon de Briaille;
Louis Michel;
Trimbach;
Foillard;
Breton;
Jadot;
Muller-Catoir;
Haardt.

My aspiration would be to get an Austrian and an Italian producer onto the list; maybe an Oregon one, too. The great thing about Jadot on a list like this is that you can by wines from practically everywhere in Burgundy from them.

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#176 Post by Howard Cooper » December 20th, 2011, 10:30 am

Ian Fitzsimmons wrote:The great thing about Jadot on a list like this is that you can by wines from practically everywhere in Burgundy from them.
Yep. Between having Jadot on my list and having Ridge on my list, I get to have a lot of different wines. [drinkers.gif]
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#177 Post by TMacpherson » December 20th, 2011, 12:42 pm

Torbreck
Dal Forno
Pierre Usseglio
Donnhoff
Hundred Acre
Thackrey
Standish
Domaine Weinbach
Chapoutier
Guiraud
Thomas Macpherson

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#178 Post by Blair Ridley » December 20th, 2011, 12:55 pm

Vilmart
Pierre Peters
Gimonnet
Jadot
Dujac
Fourrier
Mugneret Gibourg
Beringer
Shafer
Seavey

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#179 Post by J. Singleton » November 1st, 2016, 9:13 pm

J. Singleton wrote:
SteveC wrote:They would be ...
disappointed with how little I purchased.

All American.... and in no order....

WesMar
Skewis
Maybach
Herb Lamb
Carlisle
Sojourn
Ayoub
Saxum
Rivers-Marie
Cayuse
Amazing what a few years will do. My top 10 held look like:

Gonon
Pepiere
Foillard
Jouan
Clos Rougeard
Metras
Baudry
Thomas
Ganevat
Rhys
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#180 Post by Scott G r u n e r » November 2nd, 2016, 9:39 am

Jeb- Fascinating to see how your tastes have changed over the past 5, coupled with the emergence/popularization of a few producers.
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#181 Post by Howard Cooper » November 2nd, 2016, 9:40 am

J. Singleton wrote:
J. Singleton wrote:
SteveC wrote:They would be ...
disappointed with how little I purchased.

All American.... and in no order....

WesMar
Skewis
Maybach
Herb Lamb
Carlisle
Sojourn
Ayoub
Saxum
Rivers-Marie
Cayuse
Amazing what a few years will do. My top 10 held look like:

Gonon
Pepiere
Foillard
Jouan
Clos Rougeard
Metras
Baudry
Thomas
Ganevat
Rhys
At least Rhys is still American. [welldone.gif]

My list would also have changed a good bit. It would be:

Truchot
Ridge
Mugneret-Gibourg
Zilliken
Cecile Tremblay
Ducru Beaucaillou
Climens
Schloss Lieser
PYCM
Cedric Bouchard
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#182 Post by Dale Bowers » November 2nd, 2016, 11:01 am

I'll Play:

Boillot
PYCM
Bouchard
Dujac
J.J. Prum
Donnhoff
Rhys
Huet
Krug
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#183 Post by Rob_S » November 2nd, 2016, 12:31 pm

This would give me exposure to everything I need at various price points both in general and within their individual portfolios. Only thing I would like to get in there is more dry Loire whites and a Loire red but...

Huet
JJPrum
Maybach
Myriad
Guigal
M. Chapoutier
Bollinger
Charles Heidsieck
Telmo Rodriguez
Pontet-Canet
utherland

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#184 Post by Sarah Kirschbaum » November 2nd, 2016, 12:48 pm

Interesting question. Limiting purchases to such a small set, I'd be largely directed by what I want to drink over and over, and what is the most versatile and useful with the food I eat. Here's my list, as a subset of what I already buy and not turning it to DRC, Rousseau, Jayer and other unobtainables:

Egly-Ouriet
Keller
Emrich-Schonleber
Dujac
Raveneau
Krug
Cavallotto
Mugneret-Gibourg
Domaine Branna
Camin Larredya

This list also assumes we're talking about future releases as well as back-filling, rather than back-filling alone. Otherwise, it would include Giacosa and Ridge.

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#185 Post by Vince T » November 2nd, 2016, 1:43 pm

The Favorites (taking into account affordability)
Huet
Pepiere
Lopez de Heredia
Produttori
Musar
Donnhoff
Equipo Navazos
Climens

Plus two for versatility to scratch most other itches:
Ridge
Jadot
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#186 Post by KatrinaBI » November 2nd, 2016, 2:32 pm

I've been converging lately on a narrower and narrower set of must buy producers. The top 10 are

Vajra
Fourrier
Lopez de Heredia
Fontodi
Schloss Gobelsburg
Rougeard
Kelley Fox
Chidaine
Foillard
Camus Bruchon

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#187 Post by SheilaAdams » November 2nd, 2016, 2:35 pm

B. Mascarello
B. Baudry
Fourrier
Burlotto
Ghislaine Barthod
Clos Rougeard
Marie Noelle Ledru
V. Dauvissat
Brovia
J. Prevost

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#188 Post by Jay Miller » November 2nd, 2016, 2:46 pm

Very different than it would have been 10 years ago when I was still buying Burgundy.

Gonzalez Byass
Willi Schaefer
Egon Muller
Pinon
M. Ollivier
Baudry
Texier
Taittinger
Marie Courtin
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#189 Post by Sarah Kirschbaum » November 3rd, 2016, 8:02 am

Sarah Kirschbaum wrote:Interesting question. Limiting purchases to such a small set, I'd be largely directed by what I want to drink over and over, and what is the most versatile and useful with the food I eat. Here's my list, as a subset of what I already buy and not turning it to DRC, Rousseau, Jayer and other unobtainables:

Egly-Ouriet
Keller
Emrich-Schonleber
Dujac
Raveneau
Krug
Cavallotto
Mugneret-Gibourg
Domaine Branna
Camin Larredya

This list also assumes we're talking about future releases as well as back-filling, rather than back-filling alone. Otherwise, it would include Giacosa and Ridge.
I posed this question to my husband, with the same caveats I put in my list above (buying going forward, has to be within the realm of possibility) and was pleased to discover that he chose 6 out of 10 the same, and was seriously considering 3 of the remaining 4. Only one did we differ, because he needed to include a cabernet-based wine.

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#190 Post by PCLIN » November 3rd, 2016, 8:28 am

Rousseau
Chevillon
Fourrier
Cathiard
Haut Brion
Cheval Blanc
VCC
LLC
Rougeard
Willi Schaefer


But if I am limited to ONE producer: Armand Rousseau
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If I had to limit my buying to 10 producers ....

#191 Post by Brandon R » November 3rd, 2016, 8:40 am

If we're assuming our current incomes and budgets wouldn't change, I've got to consider both affordability and a decent-sized portfolio (for variety's sake, of course). At first whack:

Rotie Cellars
Woodward Canyon Winery
Rivers-Marie
Ridge
Belle Pente
Cayuse
Paloma
Cadence
Soos Creek
Walla Walla Vintners
B. Redman

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If I had to limit my buying to 10 producers ....

#192 Post by calauber » November 3rd, 2016, 11:25 am

For those, like me, in the under $100 bracket:

Au Bon Climat
Bedrock
Booker
Carlisle
Esmonin
Jaffurs
Ojai
Ridge
St. Cosme
St. Damien
Curt Lauber

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Re: If I had to limit my buying to 10 producers ....

#193 Post by Subu Ramachandran » January 7th, 2019, 9:27 am

This is a tricky one, as one needs to be selective. But here is a list that I buy and perhaps will continue to...

Champagne:
1.Vilmart

Burgundy:
2.Mugneret-Gibourg
3.d'Angerville
4.Dauvissat

Pidemont:
5.Bartolo Mascarello

Bojo:
6.Foillard

Rioja:
7.Lopez de Heredia

Galicia:
8.Raul Perez (including his sketch and Ribera Sacra wines)

Germany:
9.Keller
10.Donnhoff

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Re: If I had to limit my buying to 10 producers ....

#194 Post by Mark Y » January 7th, 2019, 9:30 am

Wow an 8 yr old thread.. i saw Bob Wood post and did a double take..
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Re: If I had to limit my buying to 10 producers ....

#195 Post by Craig G » January 7th, 2019, 9:45 am

Mark Y wrote:
January 7th, 2019, 9:30 am
Wow an 8 yr old thread.. i saw Bob Wood post and did a double take..
Old enough for a Maison Ilan sighting!
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Re: If I had to limit my buying to 10 producers ....

#196 Post by julianseersmartin » January 7th, 2019, 10:06 am

Vouette et Sorbee
Hebrart
Domaine de Chevalier
Leoville Barton
Prum
CVNE
Dirty and Rowdy
Ridge Vineyards
Arlot
PYCM

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#197 Post by D@vid Bu3ker » January 7th, 2019, 10:15 am

My list seven years ago:

Donnhoff
Selbach-Oster
Bollinger
Billiot
Pierre Peters
Trimbach
Rhys
Lopez de Heredia
Edmunds St John
Jadot

My list now:
Donnhoff
J. J. Prum
Pierre Peters
Vilmart
Ultramarine
Mugneret-Gibourg
Ridge
Produttori del Barbaresco

I'll stop there...
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Re: If I had to limit my buying to 10 producers ....

#198 Post by PCLIN » January 7th, 2019, 10:36 am

PCLIN wrote:
November 3rd, 2016, 8:28 am
Rousseau
Chevillon
Fourrier
Cathiard
Haut Brion
Cheval Blanc
VCC
LLC
Rougeard
Willi Schaefer


But if I am limited to ONE producer: Armand Rousseau
New list would be:

Rousseau
Fourrier
Hubert Lignier
Cathiard
Haut Brion
Cheval Blanc
VCC
LLC
Rougeard
Gonon

Just replacing Chevillon and Willi Schaefer with Hubert Lignier and Gonon.
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Re: If I had to limit my buying to 10 producers ....

#199 Post by RyanC » January 7th, 2019, 11:00 am

Interesting to pull this up again. My new list would be:

Krug
Vilmart
Dujac
Lafarge
PYCM
Dauvissat
Pichon Lalande
Foillard
JJ Prum
Alzinger

My old list was:

Jadot
Dujac
Bize
d'Angerville
Huet
JJ Prum
Pepiere
Rhys
Dauvissat
Foillard
C@ughey

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Re: If I had to limit my buying to 10 producers ....

#200 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » January 7th, 2019, 11:08 am

Baudry
Plouzeau
Thivin
Sociando
Levet
Gonon
Donnhoff
Bedrock
Vieux Chateau Certan
Haut Brion

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