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#101 Post by Nick Gangas » November 17th, 2011, 6:51 pm

Mike de Lange wrote:
Nick Gangas wrote:Ok off the top of my head.

G. Mascarello
Allemand
Dauvissaut
Leflaive
Carillon
Rousseau
Mugnier
Roumier
Raveneau
DRC
Cathiard
D'Angerville
Counting is 'ard, innit? neener
We call it ciphering round here... I just thought of 3 more anyway.

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#102 Post by Markus S » November 17th, 2011, 7:19 pm

This is fun. Had a hard time coming up with immediate responses, but thought about things that would not bore me if that was all I could ever drink:

Paolo Bea
Costanti
Gonon
Mugnier
Tempier
Bressan
Vajra
Pegau/Charvin (depending who was cheapest that year!)
Ganevat
Emrich-Schonleber
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#103 Post by Matt Latuchie » November 17th, 2011, 8:46 pm

Joe Hauck wrote:Copain
Joseph Swan
Montelena
Ridge
Huet
Chidaine
Baudry
Chave
Rhys

One left to choose, so I would rotate through some Ca. Syrah - Big Basin, Novy, Lucia

I would love to add some Sauternes, but if only allowed 10 I would have to survive with Huet Moelleux.
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#104 Post by Jim V a n P e l t » November 17th, 2011, 9:22 pm

Based on past behavior and the premise of a budget:
- Carlisle
- Bedrock
- Rhys
- Anderson Conn Valley
- Tablas Creek
- Anthill
- Bollinger
- Vincent Girardin
- Weinbach
- Giuseppe Rinaldi

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#105 Post by PeterH » November 17th, 2011, 9:39 pm

Taken seriously, that is an extremely difficult question.
I like a wide variety of wine, and as much as I like Burgundy, I'd feel caged in with
limiting myself to any region.
Producers that can handle a number of different grapes would certainly be included.
Feudi di San Gregorio and Siduri/Novy spring to mind.

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#106 Post by KyleCWilkinson » November 17th, 2011, 9:41 pm

Pehu-Simonet
Tempier
Raveneau
Dagueneau
Grillet
Merry Edwards
Dujac
Giacosa
Musar
Kracher

I'd try to make room for Radio Coteau, Guigal, Trimbach, and Pierre Gimonnet as well.
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#107 Post by Berry Crawford » November 17th, 2011, 9:52 pm

I'm surprised how diversified everyone's tastes are.

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#108 Post by Rainer Guntermann » November 18th, 2011, 6:23 am

Billecart Salmon
Lynch Bages
Climens
Fourrier
Gerard Mugneret
Vogue
Leflaive
Guiseppe Mascarello
Gantenbein
J.J. Prüm

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#109 Post by Joe Hauck » November 18th, 2011, 6:42 am

Matt Latuchie wrote:
Joe Hauck wrote:Copain
Joseph Swan
Montelena
Ridge
Huet
Chidaine
Baudry
Chave
Rhys

One left to choose, so I would rotate through some Ca. Syrah - Big Basin, Novy, Lucia

I would love to add some Sauternes, but if only allowed 10 I would have to survive with Huet Moelleux.
Pepiere???
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#110 Post by Greg Harrington » November 18th, 2011, 8:04 am

Egly Ouiret
Raveneau
Emerich Knoll
Thierry Allemand
Domaine de la Janesse
Domaine Fourrier
Bartollo Mascarello
Ciacci Piccolomini
Bodegas Roda
Robert Weil (esp for dessert wines)

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#111 Post by Jim Sawitzke » November 18th, 2011, 8:25 am

Wow, interesting question. Here's my stab at it assuming I'm on something like my current budget, and I can be assured of access:

Charles Heidsieck
Philipponnat
Trimbach
Le Cadeau
Stefania
Alvaro Palacios
Beaucastel
Haut Brion
Pichon Lalande
Guiraud

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#112 Post by Eric Keating » November 18th, 2011, 3:26 pm

Nick Gangas wrote:
Mike de Lange wrote:
Nick Gangas wrote:Ok off the top of my head.

G. Mascarello
Allemand
Dauvissaut
Leflaive
Carillon
Rousseau
Mugnier
Roumier
Raveneau
DRC
Cathiard
D'Angerville
Counting is 'ard, innit? neener
We call it ciphering round here... I just thought of 3 more anyway.
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#113 Post by B.A. Blevins » November 20th, 2011, 7:56 pm

This is hard, but would probably looks something like this

Cameron
Heredia
Linden
Cayuse
Gramercy
Musar
Heymann Lowenstein
Vilmart
Raveneau
Joly

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#114 Post by Darren Watts » November 20th, 2011, 8:58 pm

fun thread...

Rayas
Cayuse
Cameron
Brick House
Huet
Dauvissat
Pepiere
Force Majeure
V Donjon
Carlisle

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#115 Post by James Sanders » November 20th, 2011, 9:20 pm

Diversity's a big factor here because boredom will set in if I just pick my ten favorites:


Ametzoi (got to have Tzakoli for the beach sunsets)
Baudry (the rose's a major bonus)
Beaucastel
Billecart Salmon
Cameron
Drouhin (sheer breadth and covers Bojo)
Giacosa
Haut Brion (need a bdx that has both a white and red)
Lopez de Heredia
Texier

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#116 Post by Michel D. » November 20th, 2011, 10:14 pm

Littorai
Rociolli
KB
Imagery
Rafanelli
Terry Hoage
Domaine St.-Préfert
Clos des Papes
Chateau De Beaucastel
Catena Alta Zapata
Michel Davidoff
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#117 Post by Robert Grenley » November 20th, 2011, 10:19 pm

Dujac
Rousseau
Mugneret-Gibourg
D'Angerville
Chevillon
Mugnier
Fourrier
Lafarge
Leflaive
Coche-Dury
Chave
Giacosa

I can't count.
I also can barely afford, or am unwilling to allow myself, to buy more than a few bottles from each these days.
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#118 Post by Phil Davis » November 21st, 2011, 6:05 am

Fourrier
Pepiere
Baudry
Texier
Gonon
Huet
Peter Lauer
Schafer Frohlich
Lapierre
Cedric Bouchard
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#119 Post by Bruce Rudman » November 21st, 2011, 9:15 am

Interesting thing is this thread highlights a huge love for the French wines but if you look to the current thread asking for the ratio of California to French wines you see a very different result IMHO.
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#120 Post by Brian Scanlon » November 21st, 2011, 9:54 am

Cool post. Based on wines I know/buy regularly, not wines I'd like to try based on reputation (e.g., DRC)

Krug
Leflaive
Carillon
Dujac
Roumier
Ponsot
de Vogue
Rivers-Marie PN
Pichon Lalande
d'Yquem

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#121 Post by Isaac James Baker » November 21st, 2011, 11:07 am

if i had to buy from only 10 producers, i'd need variety and reliability. so, a quick analysis leaves with these 10 folks...

Chateau De Beaucastel
Williams Selyem
Louis Jadot
Paul Jaboulet Aine
JJ Prum
Domaines des Baumard
Giacomo Conterno
Huet
Donnhoff
Ojai
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#122 Post by Bob Paul » November 21st, 2011, 11:34 am

This is a tough one, but the ones that jump to mind are:

Rhys
Anthill
Cameron
Carlisle
Scherrer
Rivers Marie
Drinkward Peschon
Schrader
Thomas
Maybach

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#123 Post by k s h i n » November 21st, 2011, 12:16 pm

DRC
Dujac
Raveneau
Dauvissat
Vieux Chateau Certain
Chave
Guigal La Las
Giacomo Conterno
Schrader
Huet
Kevin
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#124 Post by C G Nieto » November 21st, 2011, 12:50 pm

Rhys
Kapcsandy
Rivers-Marie
Maybach
Alban
E Guigal
Ramonet
Armand Rousseau
Taittinger
Giacomo Conterno
C l 3 m

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#125 Post by S. Lancaster » November 21st, 2011, 5:22 pm

Love reading these.....
With respect to price and affordability......
Chidaine
Huet
Bourdy
Guyot
Tribut
JJ Prum
Pepiere
Suduiraut
d'Issan
Gaunoux

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#126 Post by C h r i s B e r n s e n » November 21st, 2011, 5:26 pm

1. Gaja
2. Scavino
3. Clerico
4. Conterno
5. Jadot
6. Littorai
7. Copain
8. Sojourn
9. Drouhin
10. Muga
In no particular order or really thought-out plan

Oops, I forgot whites:
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#127 Post by Joe Hauck » November 21st, 2011, 5:42 pm

It would nice for someone with more time than myself to tally these up and post the results. flirtysmile
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#128 Post by Isaac James Baker » November 21st, 2011, 5:57 pm

Jim Sawitzke wrote:Wow, interesting question. Here's my stab at it assuming I'm on something like my current budget, and I can be assured of access:

Charles Heidsieck
Philipponnat
Trimbach
Le Cadeau
Stefania
Alvaro Palacios
Beaucastel
Haut Brion
Pichon Lalande
Guiraud
Dude, my girlfriend's from Arizona and I showed her the producers you chose and explained some of the ones she didn't know. She said, "Of course he has good tastes. His photo is Arizona." Ha. Anyway, really interesting choices. I'd love to be able to buy Haut Brion. I've wanted to try their white for years but haven't been able to spend that much.
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#129 Post by Isaac James Baker » November 21st, 2011, 6:08 pm

Isaac James Baker wrote:if i had to buy from only 10 producers, i'd need variety and reliability. so, a quick analysis leaves with these 10 folks...

Chateau De Beaucastel
Williams Selyem
Louis Jadot
Paul Jaboulet Aine
JJ Prum
Domaines des Baumard
Giacomo Conterno
Huet
Donnhoff
Ojai
Shit, did I really not put FX Pichler on there? Scrap Ojai. FX Pichler would be very high on my must-have list.
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#130 Post by KyleCWilkinson » November 21st, 2011, 9:02 pm

Joe Hauck wrote:It would nice for someone with more time than myself to tally these up and post the results. flirtysmile
It is unbelievable how bored I was tonight.

So here they are. Not listing ones with only one vote, but anything that got more than one will be listed here, in no particular order.

Two votes:
Paola Bea
Constanti
Wesmar
Zepaltas
Charvin
Chapoutier
Fevre
Gunderloch
Faively
Arcadian
Aubert
Lynch Bages
Larkmead
Clos Roche Blance
Billecart Salmon
Leoville Barton
Caymus
Ceritas
Gramercy
Ponsot
Musar
Margaux
Schaefer
Taylor
Latour
Egly Ouriet
Cheval Blanc
Vilmart
Voerzio
Clos St. Jean
Janasse
Ch St. Cosme
Suduirat
Myriad
William Selyem
Edmund St John
Muller Catoir
Beringer
Keller
Peay
FX Pichler
Vieux Telegraphe

3 votes
Herb Lamb
Ayoub
Leoville Las Cases
Tablas Creek
Rochioli
Littorai
Sojourn
Phelps
Guiraud
Cedric Bouchard
Salon
Ponsot
Foillard
Rieussec
Leoville Barton
Egon Muller
Joseph Swan
Kracher
Dow's
Gaja
Penfolds
Selbach-Oster
Ramonet
Quinta do Noval
Puffeney
Kosta Brown
Billiot
Hirtzberger

4 votes:
Leroy
Gonon
Clos des Papes
Maison Ilan
Montelena
Pierre Peters
Coche-Dury
Roumier
Francois Chidaine
Merry Edwards
Rayas
Donjon
Cayuse
Texier
SQN


5 votes:
Maybach
Saxum
Mascarello
Produttori
Pichon Baron
G. Conterno

6 votes:
Allemand
Schrader
Copain

7 votes:
Bouchard
Taittinger
Baudry
Trimbach
Bedrock
Guigal

8 votes:
Mugnier
Beaucastel
Haut Brion
Pegau
Fourrier
Lopez de Heredia

9 votes:
Pepiere
DRC
Dauvissat
Drouhin

10 votes:
Carlisle
d'Yquem
Chave
LeFlaive

11 votes:
Giacosa

12 votes:
Donnhoff
d'Angerville

13 votes:
Rousseau
Rivers-Marie

14 votes:
Raveneau

15 votes:
Krug

16 votes:
Dujac
Ridge

17 votes:
Huet

None with 18 votes

19 votes:
Jadot

20 votes:
Rhys

And the big winner at 21 votes:
JJ Prum
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#131 Post by James Sanders » November 21st, 2011, 9:21 pm

KyleCWilkinson wrote:
Joe Hauck wrote:It would nice for someone with more time than myself to tally these up and post the results. flirtysmile
It is unbelievable how bored I was tonight.

So here they are. Not listing ones with only one vote, but anything that got more than one will be listed here, in no particular order.

Two votes:
Paola Bea
Constanti
Wesmar
Zepaltas
Charvin
Chapoutier
Fevre
Gunderloch
Faively
Arcadian
Aubert
Lynch Bages
Larkmead
Clos Roche Blance
Billecart Salmon
Leoville Barton
Caymus
Ceritas
Gramercy
Ponsot
Musar
Margaux
Schaefer
Taylor
Latour
Egly Ouriet
Cheval Blanc
Vilmart
Voerzio
Clos St. Jean
Janasse
Ch St. Cosme
Suduirat
Myriad
William Selyem
Edmund St John
Muller Catoir
Beringer
Keller
Peay
FX Pichler
Vieux Telegraphe

3 votes
Herb Lamb
Ayoub
Leoville Las Cases
Tablas Creek
Rochioli
Littorai
Sojourn
Phelps
Guiraud
Cedric Bouchard
Salon
Ponsot
Foillard
Rieussec
Leoville Barton
Egon Muller
Joseph Swan
Kracher
Dow's
Gaja
Penfolds
Selbach-Oster
Ramonet
Quinta do Noval
Puffeney
Kosta Brown
Billiot
Hirtzberger

4 votes:
Leroy
Gonon
Clos des Papes
Maison Ilan
Montelena
Pierre Peters
Coche-Dury
Roumier
Francois Chidaine
Merry Edwards
Rayas
Donjon
Cayuse
Texier
SQN


5 votes:
Maybach
Saxum
Mascarello
Produttori
Pichon Baron
G. Conterno

6 votes:
Allemand
Schrader
Copain

7 votes:
Bouchard
Taittinger
Baudry
Trimbach
Bedrock
Guigal

8 votes:
Mugnier
Beaucastel
Haut Brion
Pegau
Fourrier
Lopez de Heredia

9 votes:
Pepiere
DRC
Dauvissat
Drouhin

10 votes:
Carlisle
d'Yquem
Chave
LeFlaive

11 votes:
Giacosa

12 votes:
Donnhoff
d'Angerville

13 votes:
Rousseau
Rivers-Marie

14 votes:
Raveneau

15 votes:
Krug

16 votes:
Dujac
Ridge

17 votes:
Huet

None with 18 votes

19 votes:
Jadot

20 votes:
Rhys

And the big winner at 21 votes:
JJ Prum
Missed Cameron with 4 votes on this page alone

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#132 Post by KyleCWilkinson » November 21st, 2011, 9:37 pm

James Sanders wrote: Missed Cameron with 4 votes on this page alone
I probably missed a bunch.
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#133 Post by JKim » November 21st, 2011, 10:00 pm

I really like how the top 3 producers with the most votes are affordable and relatively easy to find (well, maybe not Rhys). It's easy to say DRC, Leroy, Lafite, D'Yquem, Schrader, Krug, <insert any expensive and difficult to acquire producer>, and all of these producers are fantastic, but beyond the reach of the many except for the ultra wealthy. I especially like seeing the love for Jadot. Such a great portfolio of wines at a good price point. My top ten would include producers already mentioned.
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#134 Post by Guillaume Deschamps » November 22nd, 2011, 12:35 am

If I had to limit my buying to 10 producers, nothing would change. Or almost. Fewer than 10 producers already represent the bulk of my cellar. I value the diversity, of course, as well as the possibility of exploring some areas with a few bottles here and there, but overall my wine buying already seems extremely focused.
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#135 Post by L e o F r o k i c » November 22nd, 2011, 6:42 am

L e o F r o k i c wrote:Jadot
Taittinger
JJ Prum
Rhys
Donnhoff
And top 3 were
KyleCWilkinson wrote:
Joe Hauck wrote:It would nice for someone with more time than myself to tally these up and post the results. flirtysmile
19 votes:
Jadot

20 votes:
Rhys

And the big winner at 21 votes:
JJ Prum
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#136 Post by Joe Hauck » November 22nd, 2011, 6:46 am

Nice work Kyle. [cheers.gif]

Leo, you are a trend setter buddy. flirtysmile
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#137 Post by Guillaume Deschamps » November 22nd, 2011, 6:48 am

Joe Hauck wrote:Leo, you are a trend setter buddy. flirtysmile
Or a conformist newhere
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#138 Post by Joe Hauck » November 22nd, 2011, 6:53 am

Guillaume Deschamps wrote:
Joe Hauck wrote:Leo, you are a trend setter buddy. flirtysmile
Or a conformist newhere
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#139 Post by DGriffin » November 22nd, 2011, 8:28 am

I am late to the thread, but like the premise. My experience is growing every month and, while I expect elements of this list might change in as soon as six months as I gain tasting experience, my current 10 would be:

Cameron
J. Christopher
Rhys
Ceritas
Roederer
Gramercy
Maison Bleue
Tablas Creek
Bedrock
Myriad
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Re: If I had to limit my buying to 10 producers ....

#140 Post by ekovitch » November 22nd, 2011, 9:44 am

I don't know what allocations are for some of the folks here who are picking Schrader, but many could not survive on only 3 bottles of Napa Cab a year!

Being in the 99%, considering budgetary constraints, I think that I would be satisfied by:

Castle Rock - Best $10 Pinots
Navarro - QPR whites & Pinots
Jadot - Burgs of all price and quality levels
Taylor - LBV's and Vintage Ports
Borsao (Campo de Borgia) - Everyday reds
Mondavi - Consistent quality Napa Cab at <$20 a bottle at Costso
Karantes (La Clape)- small Languedoc producer - good roses and reds at <$10, excellent $25 GSM, stellar reserve wine Diamant (disclaimer - owned by a good friend of mine)
Chateau Les Roques (Loupiac) - Great QPR sweet whites, and a reserve wine at <$40 qualitative equal to Sauternes (disclaimer - distributed by same friend as above)
Ridge - for breadth of portfolio, Cabs, Zins, Syrah, and even Chardonay
Chateau de la Tour (Medoc) - gotta have some Bordeaux , my favorite Cru Bourgeois
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Re: If I had to limit my buying to 10 producers ....

#141 Post by Mark Ryan » November 22nd, 2011, 2:08 pm

d'Angerville
Prager
Marcel Lapierre
Cedric Bouchard
Vilmart
Musar
Lopez de Heredia
Lafarge
Rhys
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#142 Post by Leah Amir » November 22nd, 2011, 2:27 pm

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Rousseau
Mugnier
Dujac
Rouget
Roumier
Jadot
Haut Brion
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#143 Post by Brian G r a f s t r o m » November 22nd, 2011, 2:48 pm

I find it interesting that, thus far, the lists that are dominated by one region are almost always dominated by Burgundy.

Are Burg-heads less adventurous and/or varied in their tastes than those who prefer other regions?
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Re: If I had to limit my buying to 10 producers ....

#144 Post by KyleCWilkinson » November 22nd, 2011, 3:07 pm

Brian G r a f s t r o m wrote:I find it interesting that, thus far, the lists that are dominated by one region are almost always dominated by Burgundy.

Are Burg-heads less adventurous and/or varied in their tastes than those who prefer other regions?
Or is Burg just that incredible. [highfive.gif]
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#145 Post by Brian G r a f s t r o m » November 22nd, 2011, 3:14 pm

KyleCWilkinson wrote:
Brian G r a f s t r o m wrote:I find it interesting that, thus far, the lists that are dominated by one region are almost always dominated by Burgundy.

Are Burg-heads less adventurous and/or varied in their tastes than those who prefer other regions?
Or is Burg just that incredible. [highfive.gif]
I really don't think that possibility is the flip side of the coin. If Burg. really is "Just that incredible," is it so incredible that it makes Burg-heads less adventurous and varied in their tastes?
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#146 Post by RyanC » November 22nd, 2011, 3:38 pm

Brian G r a f s t r o m wrote:
KyleCWilkinson wrote:
Brian G r a f s t r o m wrote:I find it interesting that, thus far, the lists that are dominated by one region are almost always dominated by Burgundy.

Are Burg-heads less adventurous and/or varied in their tastes than those who prefer other regions?
Or is Burg just that incredible. [highfive.gif]
I really don't think that possibility is the flip side of the coin. If Burg. really is "Just that incredible," is it so incredible that it makes Burg-heads less adventurous and varied in their tastes?
For red wines, I almost unfailingly prefer Burgundy to other wines at every price point once you get past about $25. So I still do buy variety, but I also often find myself wishing I had spent my $50 on a premier cru Burg instead of whatever _____ $50 wine I bought so I would have a more diverse collection. I also think there is likely more variety within Burgundy than just about any other wine region, which keeps people interested.

I say, drink what you like! I buy a huge diversity of whites from all over the place, but with red, it's probably 75% (or more) Burgundy for me, 10% Piedmont, 5% Northern Rhone, 5% Bordeaux, 5% west coast Pinot/Ridge.
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#147 Post by Brian G r a f s t r o m » November 22nd, 2011, 3:46 pm

Ryan Caughey wrote:
Brian G r a f s t r o m wrote:
KyleCWilkinson wrote: Or is Burg just that incredible. [highfive.gif]
I really don't think that possibility is the flip side of the coin. If Burg. really is "Just that incredible," is it so incredible that it makes Burg-heads less adventurous and varied in their tastes?
For red wines, I almost unfailingly prefer Burgundy to other wines at every price point once you get past about $25. So I still do buy variety, but I also often find myself wishing I had spent my $50 on a premier cru Burg instead of whatever _____ $50 wine I bought so I would have a more diverse collection. I also think there is likely more variety within Burgundy than just about any other wine region, which keeps people interested.

I say, drink what you like! I buy a huge diversity of whites from all over the place, but with red, it's probably 75% (or more) Burgundy for me, 10% Piedmont, 5% Northern Rhone, 5% Bordeaux, 5% west coast Pinot/Ridge.
Right, so that means I would expect to see some producers who make white from all over the place on your list, as well as maybe 3 (or 4!?!) Burg. producers, 1 or 2 Piedmont producers, 1 N. Rhone, 1 Bdx., and 1 W. Coast Pinot producer and Ridge ---- shiit, add all that up and that's more than 10! I just find it fascinating/odd/weird/unadventurous that many Burg-heads here would rather have that 3rd, 4th or 5th Burg. producer on their list over producers from elsewhere in the world who make different types of wine.

Hell, I *love* CdP, and I found it hard to put 2 CdP producers on my list because I knew that would come at the expense of another region and/or varietal that I enjoy drinking.

To reiterate: this isn't happening *only* with Burgheads here, just (significantly) moreso Burgheads than others.
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Re: If I had to limit my buying to 10 producers ....

#148 Post by RyanC » November 22nd, 2011, 3:51 pm

Brian G r a f s t r o m wrote:
Ryan Caughey wrote:
Brian G r a f s t r o m wrote: I really don't think that possibility is the flip side of the coin. If Burg. really is "Just that incredible," is it so incredible that it makes Burg-heads less adventurous and varied in their tastes?
For red wines, I almost unfailingly prefer Burgundy to other wines at every price point once you get past about $25. So I still do buy variety, but I also often find myself wishing I had spent my $50 on a premier cru Burg instead of whatever _____ $50 wine I bought so I would have a more diverse collection. I also think there is likely more variety within Burgundy than just about any other wine region, which keeps people interested.

I say, drink what you like! I buy a huge diversity of whites from all over the place, but with red, it's probably 75% (or more) Burgundy for me, 10% Piedmont, 5% Northern Rhone, 5% Bordeaux, 5% west coast Pinot/Ridge.
Right, so that means I would expect to see some producers who make white from all over the place on your list, as well as maybe 3 (or 4!?!) Burg. producers, 1 or 2 Piedmont producers, 1 N. Rhone, 1 Bdx., and 1 W. Coast Pinot producer and Ridge ---- shiit, add all that up and that's more than 10! I just find it fascinating/odd/weird/unadventurous that many Burg-heads here would rather have that 3rd, 4th or 5th Burg. producer on their list over producers from elsewhere in the world who make different types of wine.

Hell, I *love* CdP, and I found it hard to put 2 CdP producers on my list because I knew that would come at the expense of another region and/or varietal that I enjoy drinking.

To reiterate: this isn't happening *only* with Burgheads here, just (significantly) moreso Burgheads than others.
Um, that's kind of what I have (pasted from above):

Jadot (Burg, red & white, and excellent Beaujolais)
Dujac (Burg)
Bize (Burg)
d'Angerville (Burg)
Huet (Loire White)
JJ Prum (German White)
Pepiere (Loire White)
Rhys (CA red & white)
Dauvissat (Chablis/White Burg)
Foillard (Beaujolais)

So I have 4 Burgs, 4 different types of whites, 1 CA, and 1 Beaujolais... If I had to add a few more, I'd add Ridge, Vajra, Vietti, Conterno, and Gonon. If I spent more than 10 seconds coming up with my list, I may have subbed one of the Italians in for d'Angerville or Foillard. I don't have enough allegiance to a single Bordeaux producer to choose one.

But this debate is kind of stupid. If this thread proves one thing, it's that people do and should have diverse tastes and drink what they like to drink. When I'm popping a nice bottle of wine, most of the time it will be Burgundy because that's what I like. Others may disagree. That's what makes this fun.
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#149 Post by Brian G r a f s t r o m » November 22nd, 2011, 3:58 pm

ummm, emphasis on "kind of" ...

I'm not trying to start a debate, I was merely asking a question that came to me based upon this observation of mine. yes, people are free to drink whatever they like -- and they *should*! It's just the whole FOREVER thing that bears on my confusion --- for example, of the 4 Burg. producers you listed, take your least favorite of the 4: I'm surprised you'd put that producer (who only produces Pinot Noir and (maybe) Chardonnay) on your list over another favorite of yours who makes a differnt type of wine -- for example, Ridge, who has a vast portfolio of many different kinds of wines. With Ridge, you have world-class Bdx.-blend, Chardonnay, Carignan, Zinfandel, Grenache, etc. etc. etc., but you instead choose to add another Burgundy producer, who brings absolutely 0 additional varietal diversity to your list. I'm *not* saying there's anything wrong with this --- there's not --- I just find it odd, and this phenomenon is happening with Burgheads over all others. I find that interesting, and am curious why that is. Are Burgheads, by nature and/or definition, less varied/adventurous in their wine tastes?
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#150 Post by Isaac James Baker » November 22nd, 2011, 4:42 pm

Deacon Chapin wrote:My 10 would look something like this given affordability constraints:

Huet
Lopez de Heredia
Alvaro Palacios
Proddutori
D. Ventura
Azienda Agricola COS
Gruet
Westport Rivers (they're local and quite good, and if I can only buy from 10, would be nice if one was around the corner)
FX Pichler
Boekenhoutskloof
i'm glad someone else put FX Pichler on the list. i was wondering if i was the only one. i simply must have FX Pichler wines. all of them.
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