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#3851 Post by ChrisL » September 17th, 2020, 9:51 am

Any guesses at today’s Barolo single vineyard mystery?
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#3852 Post by Andrew A r n t f i e l d » September 17th, 2020, 10:01 am

The only single vineyard 2015 Barolos with a 98+ scores (not from Suckling) that I can find are from Bruno Giacosa and Gaja, and I think it's more than safe to assume the $49 Garagiste offer isn't from either of those producers. [popcorn.gif]
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#3853 Post by ChrisWolff » September 17th, 2020, 10:23 am

ChrisL wrote:
September 17th, 2020, 9:51 am
Any guesses at today’s Barolo single vineyard mystery?
No, but I rolled the dice on the 2015

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#3854 Post by Tom W » September 17th, 2020, 10:31 am

Andrew A r n t f i e l d wrote:
September 17th, 2020, 10:01 am
The only single vineyard 2015 Barolos with a 98+ scores (not from Suckling) that I can find are from Bruno Giacosa and Gaja, and I think it's more than safe to assume the $49 Garagiste offer isn't from either of those producers. [popcorn.gif]
The Garagiste pitch regarding the score is: "The 2015 has already been rated by several folks, most notably an upper 90’s score with a beautiful review (let’s say, at least 98pts and it is not from JS)."

Note that Rimmerman describes several folks. He did not say these "folks" were professional reviewers. The "several folks" could be, for example, cellartracker users...
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#3855 Post by Tom W » September 17th, 2020, 10:51 am

ChrisWolff wrote:
September 17th, 2020, 10:23 am
ChrisL wrote:
September 17th, 2020, 9:51 am
Any guesses at today’s Barolo single vineyard mystery?
No, but I rolled the dice on the 2015
I searched cellartracker.com for 2015 Barolo. I looked at the 60+ wines that had a community score of 93.1 or greater. Only four of them had at least one score of 98 or higher. Of those, three are normally priced at $240+ (and have CT community price averages of $240+). One of those three only has one CT score, which is '98'. I'd say it is ...unlikely the Garagiste is offering any of these wines at $50.

The fourth wine has two CT user scores, a '90' and a '100'. The score of 100 is "at least 98pts". That wine is 2015 Azienda Agricola Elvio Cogno Barolo Cascina Nuova, which has a CT average cost of $47 and is available widely in the U.S. from the upper-$40s into the low $60s. I also don't think that is single vineyard. So that does not seem like the one.

So my theory of the "98pts" referring to a maximum CT score does not seem likely. (However, it's possible there is one with an average score of 93.0 or lower which has a maximum score of '98'.)
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#3856 Post by Nick van der Merwe » September 17th, 2020, 11:58 am

Could be Luciano Sandrone Barolo Aleste. Jeb gave the 2015 98pts and it retails for ~ $135.

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#3857 Post by Mark Morrissette » September 17th, 2020, 12:09 pm

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Could be Luciano Sandrone Barolo Aleste. Jeb gave the 2015 98pts and it retails for ~ $135.
The 2016 has already been reviewed by AG (98) and Jancis (17.5). No way Jon leaves those scores out. So, probably not that one....

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#3858 Post by Mark Morrissette » September 19th, 2020, 3:25 pm

I don't recall seeing these previously, so here are a couple of other previous mysteries "revealed"...

2016 Chianti Classico Riserva Mystery: 2016 Nittardi Chianti Classic Riserva
Pretty happy with this one. This has 17+ points from Walter Speller at Jancis Robinson, 90 from a Decanter blind panel, and 94 from Aldo Fiordelli at Decanter (not sure who he is...), and a 93 from Monica at Wine Advocate. Garagiste price was $19.94. Only one US retailer on WS Pro has this, at $49.99.

1990's Barbaresco Mystery: 1998 Pertinance Barbaresco Castellizano
A LOT less thrilled here. I purchased this same wine from Garagiste for $40 in 2013, and this time around as a Mystery it was $49. No Us retailers carry this. When I drank my previous bottle, my note indicated it might be over the hill. Only bought one of these (thankfully), we shall see...

#2 Brunello di Montalcino Mystery: 2015 Lisini Brunello di Montalcino.
Happy with this one. 94 from Eric Guido at Vinous, but an 88+ from Ian D'Agata at Vinous. 96 from Decanter, and at 17.5 from Walter Speller at Decanter. $40 from Jon. Widely available elsewhere in the US at $50 and up.

Two out of three ain't bad...? (Or really, 9 out of 10, since I only bought one of Barbaresco, and 6 of the Chianti 3 of the Brunello.

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#3859 Post by D@ve D y r 0 f f » September 19th, 2020, 4:51 pm

Mark Morrissette wrote:
September 19th, 2020, 3:25 pm
I don't recall seeing these previously, so here are a couple of other previous mysteries "revealed"...

2016 Chianti Classico Riserva Mystery: 2016 Nittardi Chianti Classic Riserva
Pretty happy with this one. This has 17+ points from Walter Speller at Jancis Robinson, 90 from a Decanter blind panel, and 94 from Aldo Fiordelli at Decanter (not sure who he is...), and a 93 from Monica at Wine Advocate. Garagiste price was $19.94. Only one US retailer on WS Pro has this, at $49.99.
Thanks for this one - I ordered six. No way I'd ever pay $50 for this, so I can't really count the savings off that price as a "deal," but it still sounds like a nice wine for $20. I don't subscribe to any of the above, but AG at Vinous gave the '15 91 points and the descriptors mostly sound up my alley (I like pretty, lavender, spice, sage, and mint, but I'm a bit concerned with blue/purplish fruit and creamy). Could be a touch too glossy and modern for me, but we'll see. Not a huge risk at that price.

Here are some others I'm still wondering about if anyone has the answer key. All of these show as "arrived" but not shipped to me yet. Some of these may be covered by the big list above that had the answers but not matched to the questions.

Barolo impossible mystery (July 17, $13.81)
2018 Chateauneuf du Pape mystery (June 5, $19.96)
Brunello di Montalcino mystery (April 10, $19.81)
Chianti Classico mystery (Feb. 14, $16.98)
NV Champagne mystery (Feb. 13, $19.98)
2015 Brunello di Montalcino mystery (Dec. 24, $39.96) (I'm assuming this isn't the Lisini reference above since I don't see a reference to #2?)

Thanks to anyone with the info!

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#3860 Post by Mike Rotondo » September 22nd, 2020, 2:28 pm

KevinK wrote:
August 18th, 2020, 1:48 pm
I've been putting off getting my wines from Garagiste and just took delivery of a bunch of mysteries at offsite storage and am having a hard time linking them to the offers (and more importantly, the $ so I can keep records). Hoping some folks on here picked up on a more timely basis and are able to help me connect the dots... Thanks in advance and happy to share a compiled list afterwards.

2018 DeLille Cellars Chaleur Blanc (I think this is "The World's Top White Wine" for $19.91+, which is interesting because I'd been picking these up at Costco for closer to $30 but now wine-searcher shows offers in the low $20s)
2018 Castello Romitorio RomiToro
2015 Castello Romitorio BdM
2014 Cantina di Montalcino BdM
2017 Thomas Gerrie Seven Hills Vineyard Red Blend
2014 & 2015 21 Grams Red Blend
2015 Sleight of Hand The Sorceress
2015 Sleight of Hand Cellars The Archimage
2017 Ken Wright Cellars Pinot Noir Willamette Valley
2016 Walla Walla Vintners Sagemoor Vineyard Cabernet Sauvignon
2012 Podere La Berta Olmatello Sangiovese Riserva
2015 Il Poggione BdM
2015 Agostino Bosco Barolo Neirane
2015 Agostino Bosco Barolo La Serra
2015 Soos Creek Red Wine Ciel du Cheval Vineyard
2012, 2014, 2015 Schiavenza Broglio Barolo

BTW, the Champagne mystery set from August of last year turned out to be Union Champagne de Saint Gall Champagne Grand Cru Cuvée Orpale Blanc de Blancs ('96, '98, '02, '04 for $530+)
Hi Kevin, the RomiToro was the "Tuscany New Year/Holiday Thank You" mystery offer.

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#3861 Post by Toby P » September 23rd, 2020, 2:16 pm

haven't pulled the trigger on a mystery in a while (thanks De Negoce!), have a bunch coming this fall, but this latest Syrah one seems interesting. That said it seems Jon has been less forthcoming with helpful details with the mysteries of late, and a lot (including this) haven't even included a comparable retail price to at least frame the value. Makes it tough to pull the trigger bc I have to assume it's not a big discount if he won't say
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#3862 Post by MatthewT » September 23rd, 2020, 3:18 pm

Toby P wrote:
September 23rd, 2020, 2:16 pm
haven't pulled the trigger on a mystery in a while (thanks De Negoce!), have a bunch coming this fall, but this latest Syrah one seems interesting. That said it seems Jon has been less forthcoming with helpful details with the mysteries of late, and a lot (including this) haven't even included a comparable retail price to at least frame the value. Makes it tough to pull the trigger bc I have to assume it's not a big discount if he won't say
me too. exact same situation. passing
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#3863 Post by Jonah P » September 23rd, 2020, 7:18 pm

MatthewT wrote:
September 23rd, 2020, 3:18 pm
Toby P wrote:
September 23rd, 2020, 2:16 pm
haven't pulled the trigger on a mystery in a while (thanks De Negoce!), have a bunch coming this fall, but this latest Syrah one seems interesting. That said it seems Jon has been less forthcoming with helpful details with the mysteries of late, and a lot (including this) haven't even included a comparable retail price to at least frame the value. Makes it tough to pull the trigger bc I have to assume it's not a big discount if he won't say
me too. exact same situation. passing
I'm also in the exact situation, but I bought three anyway. I've never gone too far wrong with a WA mystery. With that said I'm pretty near my limit with DN, but when the Washington offers start rolling in I'm going to have a problem. I'll be like my nine year old claiming to have a dessert stomach. My CA cellar is overflowing, but my WA cellar still has a some room. I was about to preemptively tell MatthewT that I will not be buying OFFSITE storage, but when I was in my business partners office the other day I did notice that his 200 bottle credenza was empty and unplugged. If it's just sitting there, maybe he'd like to see it put to good use. He owes me for ruining late night meetings by quitting drinking.

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#3864 Post by Dave H. » September 24th, 2020, 9:41 am

Toby P wrote:
September 23rd, 2020, 2:16 pm
haven't pulled the trigger on a mystery in a while (thanks De Negoce!), have a bunch coming this fall, but this latest Syrah one seems interesting. That said it seems Jon has been less forthcoming with helpful details with the mysteries of late, and a lot (including this) haven't even included a comparable retail price to at least frame the value. Makes it tough to pull the trigger bc I have to assume it's not a big discount if he won't say
Not enough clues to make an informed guess, but maybe something from K Vintners? They have some mid-$30s bottles so a $19 deal wouldn't be crazy, they get points, alcohol often sub 15 and how many "famous" Washington State winemakers can you name? I'd be happy with that.
Anyway, I asked for 1 bottle. Low stakes dice roll.
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#3865 Post by Brian Glas » September 24th, 2020, 10:05 am

Dave H. wrote:
September 24th, 2020, 9:41 am
Not enough clues to make an informed guess, but maybe something from K Vintners? They have some mid-$30s bottles so a $19 deal wouldn't be crazy, they get points, alcohol often sub 15 and how many "famous" Washington State winemakers can you name? I'd be happy with that.
Anyway, I asked for 1 bottle. Low stakes dice roll.
That is a good guess since I've seen the MCK Syrah in the mid 20s at Costco.

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#3866 Post by Toby P » October 1st, 2020, 6:07 pm

are these Riedel extreme glasses a really good deal? I could use some stems. I know some Riedel glasses go on sale/clearance at various retailers from time to time, wasn't sure if this Garagiste deal is better than a typical sale.
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#3867 Post by Mariano Chiaramonte » October 1st, 2020, 6:21 pm

D@ve D y r 0 f f wrote:
September 19th, 2020, 4:51 pm

Here are some others I'm still wondering about if anyone has the answer key. All of these show as "arrived" but not shipped to me yet. Some of these may be covered by the big list above that had the answers but not matched to the questions.

Barolo impossible mystery (July 17, $13.81)
2018 Chateauneuf du Pape mystery (June 5, $19.96)
Brunello di Montalcino mystery (April 10, $19.81)
Chianti Classico mystery (Feb. 14, $16.98)
NV Champagne mystery (Feb. 13, $19.98)
2015 Brunello di Montalcino mystery (Dec. 24, $39.96) (I'm assuming this isn't the Lisini reference above since I don't see a reference to #2?)

Thanks to anyone with the info!
Someone reported in cellartracker.com that the 2018 Chateauneuf du Pape is Crous St. Martin Châteauneuf-du-Pape.

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#3868 Post by Nick F. » October 8th, 2020, 9:07 am

Any Insight into the Tuscan Legend Mystery?

39.91

Also, How does shipping work? I have never ordered before
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#3869 Post by Cgomezmoreno » October 8th, 2020, 9:45 am

Nick F. wrote:
October 8th, 2020, 9:07 am
Any Insight into the Tuscan Legend Mystery?

39.91

Also, How does shipping work? I have never ordered before
Shipping depends on where you are. Check here. http://garagiste.showit.site/shipping-central

But generally they have temperature controlled environment until the last leg. Costs are extremely reasonable as they get special rates. For me in Florida is below $36 a case, I think.
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#3870 Post by Nick F. » October 8th, 2020, 12:10 pm

Thanks!
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#3871 Post by RJABBOTTJR » October 8th, 2020, 12:53 pm

The CC from Feb 14 is the 2017 Felsina CC
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#3872 Post by Bret D!sk!n » October 8th, 2020, 1:01 pm

Nick F. wrote:
October 8th, 2020, 9:07 am
Any Insight into the Tuscan Legend Mystery?

39.91

Also, How does shipping work? I have never ordered before
That is around the price he usually offers Felsina Rancia or Fontalloro for so that would be my guess. In for 3 as I’ve generally found the Tuscan offers to be strong.

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#3873 Post by Nick F. » October 8th, 2020, 1:02 pm

Thanks!
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#3874 Post by D@ve D y r 0 f f » October 8th, 2020, 4:48 pm

RJABBOTTJR wrote:
October 8th, 2020, 12:53 pm
The CC from Feb 14 is the 2017 Felsina CC
Thanks! [cheers.gif]

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#3875 Post by Geoff F. » October 9th, 2020, 10:03 pm

Salon, for only a little more than Total Wine's pricing. How could you resist?
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#3876 Post by PeterH » October 11th, 2020, 4:18 pm

KevinK wrote:
August 18th, 2020, 1:48 pm
I've been putting off getting my wines from Garagiste and just took delivery of a bunch of mysteries at offsite storage and am having a hard time linking them to the offers (and more importantly, the $ so I can keep records). Hoping some folks on here picked up on a more timely basis and are able to help me connect the dots... Thanks in advance and happy to share a compiled list afterwards.

2018 DeLille Cellars Chaleur Blanc (I think this is "The World's Top White Wine" for $19.91+, which is interesting because I'd been picking these up at Costco for closer to $30 but now wine-searcher shows offers in the low $20s)
2018 Castello Romitorio RomiToro
2015 Castello Romitorio BdM
2014 Cantina di Montalcino BdM
2017 Thomas Gerrie Seven Hills Vineyard Red Blend
2014 & 2015 21 Grams Red Blend
2015 Sleight of Hand The Sorceress
2015 Sleight of Hand Cellars The Archimage
2017 Ken Wright Cellars Pinot Noir Willamette Valley
2016 Walla Walla Vintners Sagemoor Vineyard Cabernet Sauvignon
2012 Podere La Berta Olmatello Sangiovese Riserva
2015 Il Poggione BdM
2015 Agostino Bosco Barolo Neirane
2015 Agostino Bosco Barolo La Serra
2015 Soos Creek Red Wine Ciel du Cheval Vineyard
2012, 2014, 2015 Schiavenza Broglio Barolo

BTW, the Champagne mystery set from August of last year turned out to be Union Champagne de Saint Gall Champagne Grand Cru Cuvée Orpale Blanc de Blancs ('96, '98, '02, '04 for $530+)
The 21 Grams is the All-American Red Mystery at $59.xx. Mixed vintages were included. Mine happened to be the 2014. The wines are highly regarded, but at the same time regarded as highly overpriced at the usual $120.

The 2017 Thomas Gerrie is the Seven Hills Red Wine. That would have been a tough one to guess, and there are no retail listings, and no reviews. Who knows what price they ever sold for?
The "from a famous wine making family" turned out to be a highly misleading clue, since the Gerrie family is know for Willamette Valley Pinot Noir (Cristom), not Cabs or Eastern OR wines. I generally have not been impressed with Cabs made by Pinot specialists, nor vice versa. I probably will not open my bottle for years. Maybe a tasting note will pop up on Cellartracker when someone more impatient gets a delivery. I'm sure it is a good wine for the sub $20 price.

The Double Mystery Washington State is 2014 She Devil Syrah from Bergevin Lane. An inconsequential wine, and only $11.91.

The Washington State Syrah Mystery was a much better selection of the 2015 Gramercy Syrah.

Saturday: Washington State Mystery is 2017 Kiona Estates Cuvee Red. $9.96.

The 2018 Willamette Valley Pinot Noir Mystery is Broadley Estate Pinot Noir. I've had some excellent single vineyard wines from Broadley, but their Estate does not live up to this verbiage from Jon.

From a long-standing family winery with scads of accolades to their credit, this is a major source with a long history of success and excellence (one of their Pinot Noirs was partially responsible for putting Oregon on the map in the early/mid 1990’s – that’s how well thought of they are).

Oh yeah, to add to the enticement, this is the first time we’ve ever offered this wine and I’m fairly certain it’s the first time we’ve ever offered anything from this winery!

(it is not Cristom, Bergstrom or Beaux Freres).

Then again, you wouldn't expect it to at $16.94.

Martin Ray Synthesis showed up again, this time the 2017, as the July 30 Napa Valley Cabernet Mystery .

The Sparkling Surprise is 2013 Contratto Millesmato Pas Dos. The 2015 Contratto "For England" was offered at a later date, and almost twice the price.
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#3877 Post by Andrew A r n t f i e l d » October 11th, 2020, 7:37 pm

PeterH wrote:
October 11th, 2020, 4:18 pm
Martin Ray Synthesis showed up again, this time the 2017, as the July 30 Napa Valley Cabernet Mystery .
The Sparkling Surprise is 2013 Contratto Millesmato Pas Dos. The 2015 Contratto "For England" was offered at a later date, and almost twice the price.
Thanks for your list, Peter.

Was this the Sparkling Surprise from Aug 5th?

And have you identified the Napa Mystery Red Wine from June 22nd?
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#3878 Post by PeterH » October 11th, 2020, 9:30 pm

Andrew A r n t f i e l d wrote:
October 11th, 2020, 7:37 pm
PeterH wrote:
October 11th, 2020, 4:18 pm
Martin Ray Synthesis showed up again, this time the 2017, as the July 30 Napa Valley Cabernet Mystery .
The Sparkling Surprise is 2013 Contratto Millesmato Pas Dos. The 2015 Contratto "For England" was offered at a later date, and almost twice the price.
Thanks for your list, Peter.

Was this the Sparkling Surprise from Aug 5th?

And have you identified the Napa Mystery Red Wine from June 22nd?
Yes, the sparkling surprise was from Aug. 5.

I try a lot of singles of the Mystery wines, just for the hell of it, but evidently didn't bite on the June 22 Napa offer.
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#3879 Post by Graham J » October 12th, 2020, 9:33 am

Peter, thanks for those updates. If anyone knows the following I'd be greatly appreciative!

1 July: 2018 Chianti Mystery
17 July: Barolo Impossible Mystery
24 July: Champagne Mystery
14 August: 2019 Rosé Mystery
25 September: 2019 White Burgundy Mystery
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#3880 Post by PeterH » October 12th, 2020, 9:52 am

I show the July 17 Barolo Impossible Mystery as pre-arrival.

The August 14 Rosé Mystery is 2019 Domaine Lauriga Gris. I commented before that I don't understand making a $8 Rose that is hardly available in the US a mystery wine.
I did get a couple for the heck of it. I'll try to remember to open one to report on, not that I expect it to be other than fungible. This is the kind of wine I open at outdoor neighborhood gatherings, if we are ever able to have them again.
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#3881 Post by Graham J » October 12th, 2020, 9:58 am

Thanks! That's odd, my page shows the Barolo as arrived. But the white Burgundy, Champagne, and Chianti all look like pre-arrivals still.
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#3882 Post by Josh McCarthy » October 12th, 2020, 10:46 am

Hi all!

I was wondering if anyone has info on the Merlot Mystery Single Vineyard - Washington from 6/16? I've been through the posts here and see a lot of the red blends and cabs but didn't see anyone mention that offer. I was hoping for something quaffable to fill in my mostly depleted WA stash.

I'm glad I found this thread again after some time away. I started buying a few Mystery offers again after a few years of ignoring Jon's pontificating and have been lucky. Maybe my Garagiste BS filter is working and I'm still able to read between the lines.
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#3883 Post by D@ve D y r 0 f f » October 14th, 2020, 6:52 pm

I just opened what I assume is my second of two bottles ordered of this one -

2010 Domaine Duseigneur “Cuvee Odyssee” (Lirac) – $13.86 (WA88)

Offered and ordered in 2012. What a terrific "everyday-priced" bottle of juice! Mature, some fruit but some nice savory elements too, there's just not much more you could ask of a $14 bottle and anyone else with the patience to wait until 2020 to drink this one was rewarded. One of those great "88/89 point" Garagiste finds!

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#3884 Post by P. Dias » October 15th, 2020, 12:59 pm

Does anyone have any idea if today's 2019 Chinon deal is worth it?
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#3885 Post by Dave H. » October 15th, 2020, 1:38 pm

P. Dias wrote:
October 15th, 2020, 12:59 pm
Does anyone have any idea if today's 2019 Chinon deal is worth it?
No idea. Love Chinon and for the price my guess is it is "worth it," but felt like there is enough good $20 Loire CF out there that I didn't have to take the plunge on a private label bottle. I'd be surprised if it wasn't tasty, though.
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#3886 Post by Tom W » October 15th, 2020, 1:52 pm

Dave H. wrote:
October 15th, 2020, 1:38 pm
P. Dias wrote:
October 15th, 2020, 12:59 pm
Does anyone have any idea if today's 2019 Chinon deal is worth it?
No idea. Love Chinon and for the price my guess is it is "worth it," but felt like there is enough good $20 Loire CF out there that I didn't have to take the plunge on a private label bottle. I'd be surprised if it wasn't tasty, though.
I agree 100%. Probably good. Probably a decent deal. Plenty of other great choices at $20. Also, the "story" behind this wine is likely a fabrication built on a little thread. More likely: With restaurants closed the winery needs cash and said it would bottle some juice before they would consider bottling their own wine from it. For their own wine, they probably require more time in barrel.
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#3887 Post by RJABBOTTJR » October 15th, 2020, 2:20 pm

Graham J wrote:
October 12th, 2020, 9:33 am
Peter, thanks for those updates. If anyone knows the following I'd be greatly appreciative!

1 July: 2018 Chianti Mystery
17 July: Barolo Impossible Mystery
24 July: Champagne Mystery
14 August: 2019 Rosé Mystery
25 September: 2019 White Burgundy Mystery
I believe the 2018 Chianti Mystery will be the Basciano Chianti Rufina based upon his reference to the 2016 vintage he offered for the same approximate price in July 2019.
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#3888 Post by TGigante » October 15th, 2020, 3:08 pm

D@ve D y r 0 f f wrote:
October 14th, 2020, 6:52 pm
I just opened what I assume is my second of two bottles ordered of this one -

2010 Domaine Duseigneur “Cuvee Odyssee” (Lirac) – $13.86 (WA88)

Offered and ordered in 2012. What a terrific "everyday-priced" bottle of juice! Mature, some fruit but some nice savory elements too, there's just not much more you could ask of a $14 bottle and anyone else with the patience to wait until 2020 to drink this one was rewarded. One of those great "88/89 point" Garagiste finds!
Seems like a multitude of offers at $13+
Jon knows what he is doing. With enough build up, schmucks like me will throw $14 on the table for multiple bottles over and over. Must be a sweet spot price for impulse buys and we can justify it by it was only $13 and change
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#3889 Post by D@ve D y r 0 f f » October 15th, 2020, 3:26 pm

TGigante wrote:
October 15th, 2020, 3:08 pm
D@ve D y r 0 f f wrote:
October 14th, 2020, 6:52 pm
I just opened what I assume is my second of two bottles ordered of this one -

2010 Domaine Duseigneur “Cuvee Odyssee” (Lirac) – $13.86 (WA88)

Offered and ordered in 2012. What a terrific "everyday-priced" bottle of juice! Mature, some fruit but some nice savory elements too, there's just not much more you could ask of a $14 bottle and anyone else with the patience to wait until 2020 to drink this one was rewarded. One of those great "88/89 point" Garagiste finds!
Seems like a multitude of offers at $13+
Jon knows what he is doing. With enough build up, schmucks like me will throw $14 on the table for multiple bottles over and over. Must be a sweet spot price for impulse buys and we can justify it by it was only $13 and change
Using some combination of experience knowing/learning which grapes and regions I like, other clues in his verbiage, and gut feel on which offers to avoid or jump on, I've had an extraordinarily high success rate with my Garagiste purchases in this price range over quite a number of years. The ones I buy are almost all from Italy or France, with some Spain, and other than the period when that Ponzi Scheme in Berkeley also had tons of great offers around the same price, he's been unrivaled to me as a source of delicious juice in that $12-$18 range. I am pickier now than I was at first, and my success rate has gone up accordingly.
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#3890 Post by P. Dias » October 15th, 2020, 3:33 pm

Thank you, Dave and Tom.
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#3891 Post by Kris Patten » October 15th, 2020, 4:05 pm

Picked up the most recent Tuscany Legend Mystery today at $39.91.....2016 Fontalloro.

Should have bought a case.
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#3892 Post by ChrisL » October 15th, 2020, 7:06 pm

Kris Patten wrote:
October 15th, 2020, 4:05 pm
Picked up the most recent Tuscany Legend Mystery today at $39.91.....2016 Fontalloro.

Should have bought a case.
Great news! Had a feeling thats what it would be. I only got 3 :(
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#3893 Post by DanielP » October 15th, 2020, 7:07 pm

Kris Patten wrote:
October 15th, 2020, 4:05 pm
Picked up the most recent Tuscany Legend Mystery today at $39.91.....2016 Fontalloro.

Should have bought a case.
I feel like Tuscan/chianti garagiste mysteries are Felsina like half the time
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#3894 Post by Max S. » October 16th, 2020, 12:53 pm

Anyone have any idea on the Champagne?
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#3895 Post by Tom W » October 16th, 2020, 1:10 pm

Max S. wrote:
October 16th, 2020, 12:53 pm
Anyone have any idea on the Champagne?
Dunno, but he hooked me like a fish.
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#3896 Post by loren.grossman » October 16th, 2020, 1:21 pm

Tom W wrote:
October 16th, 2020, 1:10 pm
Max S. wrote:
October 16th, 2020, 12:53 pm
Anyone have any idea on the Champagne?
Dunno, but he hooked me like a fish.
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It made me go out and buy a 6 pack of 2008 Georges Laval.

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#3897 Post by ChrisW » October 16th, 2020, 2:38 pm

Bit peeved - got my fall shipment and two "Brunello mysteries" were 2014 vintage. To boot the were Cantina and Molino del Piano. Feels like he unloaded unsellable wine via 'mystery' offering instead of it being the true bargain he always hails they are.
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#3898 Post by Jeff Rosenberg » October 16th, 2020, 4:43 pm

ChrisW wrote:
October 16th, 2020, 2:38 pm
Bit peeved - got my fall shipment and two "Brunello mysteries" were 2014 vintage. To boot the were Cantina and Molino del Piano. Feels like he unloaded unsellable wine via 'mystery' offering instead of it being the true bargain he always hails they are.
The Cantina was $19.81 per bottle. What were you expecting? I have bottle of this. We will probably enjoy it some day with pizza or Sunday sauce. It might also work well in something braised.

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#3899 Post by ChrisW » October 16th, 2020, 4:59 pm

Jeff Rosenberg wrote:
October 16th, 2020, 4:43 pm
ChrisW wrote:
October 16th, 2020, 2:38 pm
Bit peeved - got my fall shipment and two "Brunello mysteries" were 2014 vintage. To boot the were Cantina and Molino del Piano. Feels like he unloaded unsellable wine via 'mystery' offering instead of it being the true bargain he always hails they are.
The Cantina was $19.81 per bottle. What were you expecting? I have bottle of this. We will probably enjoy it some day with pizza or Sunday sauce. It might also work well in something braised.
Not the Cantina, hence my note.
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#3900 Post by Arv R » October 16th, 2020, 5:09 pm

ChrisW wrote:
October 16th, 2020, 2:38 pm
Bit peeved - got my fall shipment and two "Brunello mysteries" were 2014 vintage. To boot the were Cantina and Molino del Piano. Feels like he unloaded unsellable wine via 'mystery' offering instead of it being the true bargain he always hails they are.
Did he say in his email that the mysteries would NOT be 2014? I think in general prospective purchasers should expect the worst from the mysteries, and act accordingly. Or read the email as a contracts lawyer might, looking for evasive points or 'screw clauses'.

I can usually find a mixed case of (known) stuff I like from him every year, and avoid the mystery misery.

I just nibbled on the 18 Roche Guillot Fleurie he offered this afternoon actually! My last experience was a 2014.

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