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#3601 Post by PeterH » February 27th, 2020, 10:35 am

At the same time, Last Bottle has up 2013 Cascina Adelaide Barolo 4 Vigne at $32.
Known quality, or trust Jon?
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#3602 Post by Tom W » February 27th, 2020, 11:26 am

PeterH wrote:
February 27th, 2020, 10:35 am
At the same time, Last Bottle has up 2013 Cascina Adelaide Barolo 4 Vigne at $32.
Known quality, or trust Jon?
Good catch for "#1" except both bottles in the Garagiste offer are 2015.

Garagiste "blue lines":

FIRST COME FIRST SERVED up to 6 x each wine/person until we run out:

2015 #1 Barolo Mystery Single Vineyard 750ml (Piedmont) - $29.78
(at least 90pts)

2015 #2 Barolo Mystery Single Vineyard 750ml (Piedmont) - $39.74
(at least 90pts)
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#3603 Post by Ron Slye » February 27th, 2020, 12:40 pm

Maybe I am too tired with being up with a three year old, but I don't understand this use of "either/or" in the Barolo mystery offer:

"This is the first time we’ve offered either/or in ANY vintage (which is hard to believe but true)."

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#3604 Post by PeterH » February 27th, 2020, 12:58 pm

Ron Slye wrote:
February 27th, 2020, 12:40 pm
Maybe I am too tired with being up with a three year old, but I don't understand this use of "either/or" in the Barolo mystery offer:

"This is the first time we’ve offered either/or in ANY vintage (which is hard to believe but true)."
I think that is Jon's way of saying you can order one of both of the wines, and he has never had an offer from that particular wine maker. I suppose one could could look through every Garagiste offering of Barolo ever, and narrow the potential field considerably. The biggest problem is that Jon doesn't even give a clue to style. (It is a secondary problem as to whether you can trust his descriptions anyway)

Tom,

2013 is generally considered to be as good a year as 2015, and twenty years from now, the difference in age will be trivial.
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#3605 Post by Tom W » February 27th, 2020, 1:00 pm

PeterH wrote:
February 27th, 2020, 12:58 pm
Ron Slye wrote:
February 27th, 2020, 12:40 pm
Maybe I am too tired with being up with a three year old, but I don't understand this use of "either/or" in the Barolo mystery offer:

"This is the first time we’ve offered either/or in ANY vintage (which is hard to believe but true)."
I think that is Jon's way of saying you can order one of both of the wines, and he has never had an offer from that particular wine maker. I suppose one could could look through every Garagiste offering of Barolo ever, and narrow the potential field considerably. The biggest problem is that Jon doesn't even give a clue to style. (It is a secondary problem as to whether you can trust his descriptions anyway)

Tom,

2013 is generally considered to be as good a year as 2015, and twenty years from now, the difference in age will be trivial.
Thanks. I was never questioning the character of the vintage. I simply pointed out that the guess that one of these wines was from vintage 2013 must be incorrect, since the Garagiste pitch explicitly states 2015. Thus, the guessed wine is incorrect.
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#3606 Post by PeterH » February 27th, 2020, 1:18 pm

I was not attempting to guess the wine, just pointing out that there are always deals on known wines probably as good as anything Jon sells as a Mystery. You get the benefits without the risk by checking around.
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#3607 Post by Ron Slye » February 27th, 2020, 1:31 pm

PeterH wrote:
February 27th, 2020, 12:58 pm
Ron Slye wrote:
February 27th, 2020, 12:40 pm
Maybe I am too tired with being up with a three year old, but I don't understand this use of "either/or" in the Barolo mystery offer:

"This is the first time we’ve offered either/or in ANY vintage (which is hard to believe but true)."
I think that is Jon's way of saying you can order one of both of the wines, and he has never had an offer from that particular wine maker. I suppose one could could look through every Garagiste offering of Barolo ever, and narrow the potential field considerably. The biggest problem is that Jon doesn't even give a clue to style. (It is a secondary problem as to whether you can trust his descriptions anyway)

Tom,

2013 is generally considered to be as good a year as 2015, and twenty years from now, the difference in age will be trivial.
Hmmm. I am not sure why saying "This is the first time we've offered either [wine -- I guess you don't need to say wine] in ANY vintage....."

Sorry, I am doing what I dislike from others -- posting about something having nothing to do with the wine.....

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#3608 Post by BenjaminL » March 12th, 2020, 1:44 pm

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January 10th, 2020, 2:16 pm
Today a $289.70 mystery Napa Cab from 2016 where he doesn't even bother to tell you what retail is and says "this *should* be the lowest $ you see".

loooooooool

I bet the wine is offered for $300 from the winery.
This mystery wine turned out to be 2016 Pym Rae retailing at $350 currently. I've had the ~$80 Robert Craig version, kinda *meh *on this reveal (but more interesting than an Opus One would have been).
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#3609 Post by A G Aguirre » March 12th, 2020, 2:35 pm

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February 8th, 2020, 10:57 am
It could be Ken Wright, I suppose. While the Adele wine in earlier Mystery offers was made by Ken Wright, it was not a Ken Wright label.
The Oregon Mystery 4-Pack was indeed a selection of 2014 Ken Wright single vineyards
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#3610 Post by Tom W » March 12th, 2020, 3:23 pm

A G Aguirre wrote:
March 12th, 2020, 2:35 pm
PeterH wrote:
February 8th, 2020, 10:57 am
It could be Ken Wright, I suppose. While the Adele wine in earlier Mystery offers was made by Ken Wright, it was not a Ken Wright label.
The Oregon Mystery 4-Pack was indeed a selection of 2014 Ken Wright single vineyards
2014 Ken Wright Pinot Noir Bryce Vineyard
2014 Ken Wright Pinot Noir Freedom Hill Vineyard
2014 Ken Wright Pinot Noir Guadalupe Vineyard
2014 Ken Wright Pinot Noir Tanager
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#3611 Post by N1CKW0LF » March 12th, 2020, 8:36 pm

Any ideas on the new mystery Chianti Classico offering?

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#3612 Post by Arv R » March 14th, 2020, 6:16 pm

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Does anyone know anything about tonight's Fleurie offer? Love Fleurie when it's on so I bit, but I am not at all familiar with Lucien Lardy.... CT doesn't seem to have a lot of detail here, and no entries for this particular lineup. Thoughts?
I had a 2015 Lucien Lardy 'les Thorins' [Moulin a Vent] picked up from garagiste a couple years ago. This is pretty good, esp considering the low price. It is still too young, and there's a lot of grip left, but stony and floral notes shine here. It's a bit bigger than most Bojo, and viscous at 14% abv, but I like it. I almost never do this for the region, but it benefited from a decanting.
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#3613 Post by Kris Patten » March 15th, 2020, 9:16 am

All the Lardy wines I have gotten from Garagiste have been great value. It was a new producer to me, lured in by price. Now I buy them when offered.
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#3614 Post by D@ve D y r 0 f f » March 15th, 2020, 12:50 pm

I have bought a few Lardys over the years, most (like any "Thorins" bottles) are still resting. I had a Lardy last month in a restaurant, though, and it had a bizarre tart element, almost like a sour beer (referring to those that are sour purpose, of which I'm not a fan). I wish I could remember which cru it was - it wasn't MaV, Thorins or otherwise. I'm sure it was a '17 or '18 and one of the less-expensive offerings, but I can't remember which other than it was a cru and not simply a B or B-V. Anyone had a similar experience or have any idea what that might have been?

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#3615 Post by Brent S » April 2nd, 2020, 9:38 pm

Any idea what the mystery northern Rhône 2018 is? I’ll guess cornas or Saint Joseph?
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#3616 Post by Mike Rotondo » April 3rd, 2020, 9:35 am

New mystery Oregon offer up. Perhaps Domaine Serene Evenstad reserve?
I think that meets the hype as far as credibility of the producer, but I'm just not sure if he's ever offered wine from them before.

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#3617 Post by Mont Stern » April 3rd, 2020, 12:19 pm

Any idea what brand of harissa they are offering?

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#3618 Post by Eric S n y d e r » April 3rd, 2020, 1:33 pm

Mike Rotondo wrote:
April 3rd, 2020, 9:35 am
New mystery Oregon offer up. Perhaps Domaine Serene Evenstad reserve?
I think that meets the hype as far as credibility of the producer, but I'm just not sure if he's ever offered wine from them before.
That’s what I was thinking too. He threw out a hint that they might have offered something from the winery 15-20 years ago, which limits us to a flagship wine from a fairly established producer.

I took 2, we’ll see.

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#3619 Post by PeterH » April 3rd, 2020, 1:39 pm

Mike Rotondo wrote:
April 3rd, 2020, 9:35 am
New mystery Oregon offer up. Perhaps Domaine Serene Evenstad reserve?
I think that meets the hype as far as credibility of the producer, but I'm just not sure if he's ever offered wine from them before.
Could be Penner-Ash Yamhill Carlton or Estate (not their entry level Willamette Valley). I can think of other possibilities, but I think the write up indicates a popular wine, probably a crowd pleasing style.
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#3620 Post by Bryan Carr » April 3rd, 2020, 2:37 pm

Mont Stern wrote:
April 3rd, 2020, 12:19 pm
Any idea what brand of harissa they are offering?
99% sure Villa Jerada
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#3621 Post by Geoff F. » April 3rd, 2020, 3:59 pm

I've occasionally seen Penner-Ash at Costco, and their Estate Vineyard would fit the bill ($72 from the winery).
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#3622 Post by Tom W » April 3rd, 2020, 4:11 pm

Geoff F. wrote:
April 3rd, 2020, 3:59 pm
I've occasionally seen Penner-Ash at Costco, and their Estate Vineyard would fit the bill ($72 from the winery).
If so, do you think Garagiste's $24 beats the (past) Costco price by a solid margin?

No use going with a Mystery if the best bet is still only a smidgen better than available in the marketplace.
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#3623 Post by Geoff F. » April 3rd, 2020, 5:27 pm

Tom W wrote:
April 3rd, 2020, 4:11 pm
Geoff F. wrote:
April 3rd, 2020, 3:59 pm
I've occasionally seen Penner-Ash at Costco, and their Estate Vineyard would fit the bill ($72 from the winery).
If so, do you think Garagiste's $24 beats the (past) Costco price by a solid margin?

No use going with a Mystery if the best bet is still only a smidgen better than available in the marketplace.
I don't like Penner-Ash so I never paid attention to pricing. It's ~$50-55 at most online retailers. Costco might have gotten it into the $40s?

I went in for one, hoping it's something else.
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#3624 Post by Tom W » April 3rd, 2020, 5:29 pm

Geoff F. wrote:
April 3rd, 2020, 5:27 pm
Tom W wrote:
April 3rd, 2020, 4:11 pm
Geoff F. wrote:
April 3rd, 2020, 3:59 pm
I've occasionally seen Penner-Ash at Costco, and their Estate Vineyard would fit the bill ($72 from the winery).
If so, do you think Garagiste's $24 beats the (past) Costco price by a solid margin?

No use going with a Mystery if the best bet is still only a smidgen better than available in the marketplace.
I don't like Penner-Ash so I never paid attention to pricing. It's ~$50-55 at most online retailers. Costco might have gotten it into the $40s?

I went in for one, hoping it's something else.
Thank you!
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#3625 Post by Brian Glas » April 3rd, 2020, 5:53 pm

Yes recall seeing Penner Ash at Costco recently. Can't remember what Pinot it was though. I vaguely recall the price being in the $40ish range.

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#3626 Post by Brian Glas » April 3rd, 2020, 5:55 pm

Could be Serene. Maybe Ken got a margin call and needs cash? Otherwise I can't see him dumping wine on Garagiste. I'm guessing Serere has boatloads of unsold wine gathering dust somewhere. Does anyone know what they are doing with the Rockblock building in Carlton. I recall someone saying an Evenstad family member was storing old cars in there.

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#3627 Post by Andy K » April 3rd, 2020, 6:03 pm

I finally dropped off this email list sometime last year after years of suffering the excessive superlatives. Personally I am glad to not have to suffer those emails any longer.

Almost every risk I took proved disappointing. However, the occasional great deal on wines I knew kept me following for years.

YMMV.
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#3628 Post by Mike Rotondo » April 4th, 2020, 7:37 am

Brian Glas wrote:
April 3rd, 2020, 5:55 pm
Could be Serene. Maybe Ken got a margin call and needs cash? Otherwise I can't see him dumping wine on Garagiste. I'm guessing Serere has boatloads of unsold wine gathering dust somewhere. Does anyone know what they are doing with the Rockblock building in Carlton. I recall someone saying an Evenstad family member was storing old cars in there.
I'm definitely not familiar enough with the producer to know their "situation." But for someone like me who enjoys Oregon PN (but isn't immersed in the details of producers yet, never visited, etc.) Domaine Serene always stood out to me as a top player.

I would imagine that with the situation that so many restaurants are in, almost any producer regardless of their prior standing could be motivated to move wine in a way such as this to compensate for wholesale orders that just aren't happening due to restaurants currently not buying.

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#3629 Post by Mike Rotondo » April 4th, 2020, 7:43 am

Andy K wrote:
April 3rd, 2020, 6:03 pm
I finally dropped off this email list sometime last year after years of suffering the excessive superlatives. Personally I am glad to not have to suffer those emails any longer.

Almost every risk I took proved disappointing. However, the occasional great deal on wines I knew kept me following for years.

YMMV.
The superlatives don't really bother me, as with anything it's up to the reader whether to act and I never felt any obligation to do so. I hit "delete" on dozens of wine offers a day that come into my inbox from various other producers and retailers.

I've never been disappointed, but I never took "big" risks. In fact, as a value-oriented buyer for the most part, I've found Garagiste to be a great source for sub-$20 imports that I wouldn't have otherwise discovered.

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#3630 Post by Adam G » April 4th, 2020, 3:56 pm

Bryan Carr wrote:
April 3rd, 2020, 2:37 pm
Mont Stern wrote:
April 3rd, 2020, 12:19 pm
Any idea what brand of harissa they are offering?
99% sure Villa Jerada
Yeah, that's the brand he offers and it's freaking delicious. I've got a couple jars still otherwise I'd stock up.
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#3631 Post by Brian Glas » April 6th, 2020, 11:22 am

Mike Rotondo wrote:
April 4th, 2020, 7:43 am
I've never been disappointed, but I never took "big" risks. In fact, as a value-oriented buyer for the most part, I've found Garagiste to be a great source for sub-$20 imports that I wouldn't have otherwise discovered.
So you didn't bite on the $500 Napa mystery wine?

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#3632 Post by Mike Rotondo » April 6th, 2020, 1:39 pm

Brian Glas wrote:
April 6th, 2020, 11:22 am
Mike Rotondo wrote:
April 4th, 2020, 7:43 am
I've never been disappointed, but I never took "big" risks. In fact, as a value-oriented buyer for the most part, I've found Garagiste to be a great source for sub-$20 imports that I wouldn't have otherwise discovered.
So you didn't bite on the $500 Napa mystery wine?
Ha, never even crossed my mind!

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#3633 Post by William P » April 7th, 2020, 3:45 pm

Adam G wrote:
April 4th, 2020, 3:56 pm
Bryan Carr wrote:
April 3rd, 2020, 2:37 pm
Mont Stern wrote:
April 3rd, 2020, 12:19 pm
Any idea what brand of harissa they are offering?
99% sure Villa Jerada
Yeah, that's the brand he offers and it's freaking delicious. I've got a couple jars still otherwise I'd stock up.
Villa Jerada makes a lot of great stuff, I buy direct from them now after discovering from Garagiste. Just made VJ shawarma-crusted pork tenderloin yesterday, versus the normal VJ harissa; absolutely delicious!
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#3634 Post by Arv R » April 7th, 2020, 4:49 pm

Arv R wrote:
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wow, great price. its $20 locally.
It’s less of a great deal when you factor in shipping. It’s not that his shipping costs are too high, but after you add in the cost you’re saving $3/bottle or about 15%. Is that enough to gamble on buying a wine you won’t like? Not for me.
fair points, but nowadays I tend to get with shipping and sales tax on my purchases anyways (so that $20 bottle becomes $24ish). my (family) wine mules are tired of me imposing on them!
I finally got to drink the 2016 Felsina [Chianti Classico] which is their base blend. 13.5% abv, lots of cherry notes here, also some mulberry flavors. The cork was almost 'woody' in its toughness, which was strange for a newly purchased wine. It tasted a bit lighter, and more evolved than I would have thought. I thought this would have been a lot better given the reputation of the vintage. I'd give it a B
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#3635 Post by Patrick K » April 8th, 2020, 5:56 pm

Anyone picked up their "Willamette Valley Pinot Noir Mystery" from March 25th yet, or otherwise know what it is?
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#3636 Post by David Kim » April 9th, 2020, 10:11 am

Any thoughts on the 2016 single vineyard mystery cab from Washington for $20 today?

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#3637 Post by Brandon R » April 9th, 2020, 11:38 am

David Kim wrote:
April 9th, 2020, 10:11 am
Any thoughts on the 2016 single vineyard mystery cab from Washington for $20 today?
Not having seen the offer, my totally blind guess would be Soos Creek. There are few who do single vineyard blends with Bordeaux varieties at more compelling prices than David at Soos Creek. What does the offer say?
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#3638 Post by PeterH » April 9th, 2020, 12:10 pm

Brandon R wrote:
April 9th, 2020, 11:38 am
David Kim wrote:
April 9th, 2020, 10:11 am
Any thoughts on the 2016 single vineyard mystery cab from Washington for $20 today?
Not having seen the offer, my totally blind guess would be Soos Creek. There are few who do single vineyard blends with Bordeaux varieties at more compelling prices than David at Soos Creek. What does the offer say?
"Sold Out"

Sounded like much more limited selection than Soos Creek.
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#3639 Post by Tom W » April 9th, 2020, 12:19 pm

PeterH wrote:
April 9th, 2020, 12:10 pm
Brandon R wrote:
April 9th, 2020, 11:38 am
David Kim wrote:
April 9th, 2020, 10:11 am
Any thoughts on the 2016 single vineyard mystery cab from Washington for $20 today?
Not having seen the offer, my totally blind guess would be Soos Creek. There are few who do single vineyard blends with Bordeaux varieties at more compelling prices than David at Soos Creek. What does the offer say?
"Sold Out"

Sounded like much more limited selection than Soos Creek.
From the email pitch "This is the first time we’ve offered this wine (ever!) and I think it’s the first time we’ve offered anything from this winery."

I know that Garagiste has offered Soos Creek at least once non-Mystery.

Three years ago Garagiste offered: 2013 Soos Creek “Palisades” 750ml (Washington State) - $16.91
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#3640 Post by PeterH » April 9th, 2020, 1:00 pm

Now he is on to a 98 point super Tuscan for $70.
Le Macchiole Paleo Rosso? Saffredi" , or maybe some off the wall Suckling or Maroni rated goop?
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#3641 Post by Kris Patten » April 9th, 2020, 1:25 pm

PeterH wrote:
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Now he is on to a 98 point super Tuscan for $70.
Le Macchiole Paleo Rosso? Saffredi" , or maybe some off the wall Suckling or Maroni rated goop?
You're going to see a lot of great wines offered as Mystery with restaurants closed down and little to nowhere to sell them for foreseeable future while companies try to keep their "shelf pricing" intact. Even when restaurants re-open it is going to be a long, slow road to recovery.

I always tell people we would sell more if we just listed the wine in question, but many don't have the stomach and fear it being the "new price", hence Mystery is attractive.

*I have and continue to sell wine to Garagiste when I can.
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#3642 Post by Tom W » April 9th, 2020, 1:45 pm

Kris Patten wrote:
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April 9th, 2020, 1:00 pm
Now he is on to a 98 point super Tuscan for $70.
Le Macchiole Paleo Rosso? Saffredi" , or maybe some off the wall Suckling or Maroni rated goop?
You're going to see a lot of great wines offered as Mystery with restaurants closed down and little to nowhere to sell them for foreseeable future while companies try to keep their "shelf pricing" intact. Even when restaurants re-open it is going to be a long, slow road to recovery.

I always tell people we would sell more if we just listed the wine in question, but many don't have the stomach and fear it being the "new price", hence Mystery is attractive.

*I have and continue to sell wine to Garagiste when I can.
Indeed. It'd be great if there were a Berserkers forum that could be dedicated to just discussing the coronavirus impact and related wine industry scuttlebutt. Here were some of my thoughts (all pretty obvious, I think):

Besides capital structure and market position prior to the crisis, the hit depends largely on the distribution breakdown:

1) Tasting Room
2) On-Premise
3) Retail
4) Club Member

Yes, within each channel there is variation, but for (1) and (2) differences don't mean much right now. In other words, whether the tasting room sales of a winery are to higher net worth folks (with fancy dedicated tastings) or with casual middle income folks, they are zero right now. Same with restaurant sales.

If a winery depends much on (1) and (2), they are getting slammed.

If they are heavily reliant on (3) and (4) they are going to do much better, particularly if they have a loyal club (low turnover) base with good demographics.

The loss of sales in (1) and (2) is permanent demand destruction. All the juice that was allocated for those channels needs to get squeezed through somewhere else.

Wineries with solid balance sheets that make age-worthy wines can build their libraries.

I didn't list International, but since this is a global crisis and restrictions are similar across all wine drinking countries, it doesn't matter much here. Oh, but speaking of international, the dollar has show strength, another headwind to domestic producers. But at least there's the 25% tariff :(
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#3643 Post by D@ve D y r 0 f f » April 10th, 2020, 10:09 am

Any Brunello guesses, or intel?

The only other sub-$20 Brunello mystery I remember biting on turned out to be 2000 Il Marroneto, and by coincidence I just drank my last bottle of that the other night. To my taste, that one was not great Brunello I'd pay normal prices for, but I was certainly happy with it for the price, and it went the 20 years with ease.

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#3644 Post by Tom W » April 10th, 2020, 11:07 am

D@ve D y r 0 f f wrote:
April 10th, 2020, 10:09 am
Any Brunello guesses, or intel?

The only other sub-$20 Brunello mystery I remember biting on turned out to be 2000 Il Marroneto, and by coincidence I just drank my last bottle of that the other night. To my taste, that one was not great Brunello I'd pay normal prices for, but I was certainly happy with it for the price, and it went the 20 years with ease.
The very simply stated "(at least 93pts)" was enough for me to take a pass. When there are solid CT scores, Rimmerman notes that. When many professional reviews are north of 90, he says so. This could very well be a single Suckling 93. (My rule is "Suckling Subtract 6". So a Suckling '93' usually ends up around 87 for me - a very good wine, but not a standout; usually 87-89 in CT.) If this is the situation, there are probably better Rosso deals out there. Good luck to all!!!
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#3645 Post by D@ve D y r 0 f f » April 10th, 2020, 11:48 am

No doubt that Suckling is a well that never runs dry for that aspect of the marketing.

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#3646 Post by Shay h arnoy » April 10th, 2020, 11:55 am

D@ve D y r 0 f f wrote:
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No doubt that Suckling is a well that never runs dry for that aspect of the marketing.
I was in for 1 of the 1990 mystery barbaresco and a couple of the brunello mysterys. Im typically not into mystery wines but I am just getting started in italian wines so I guess its a good way to explore/learn a bit on the cheap.

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#3647 Post by D@ve D y r 0 f f » April 10th, 2020, 12:20 pm

Shay h arnoy wrote:
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Im typically not into mystery wines but I am just getting started in italian wines so I guess its a good way to explore/learn a bit on the cheap.
A great way to use Garagiste to explore Italian wines on the cheap is their proprietary "Ca' Rozzeria" line. These are also essentially "mystery" wines except that when you get them, there's no reveal - they don't have the "real" label (though they often have other clues that expert sleuths have put to good use). The Ca' Rozzeria wines I've had have all been terrific values, and there's a robust track record of good CT notes.

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#3648 Post by Bret D!sk!n » April 10th, 2020, 2:35 pm

D@ve D y r 0 f f wrote:
April 10th, 2020, 12:20 pm
Shay h arnoy wrote:
April 10th, 2020, 11:55 am
Im typically not into mystery wines but I am just getting started in italian wines so I guess its a good way to explore/learn a bit on the cheap.
A great way to use Garagiste to explore Italian wines on the cheap is their proprietary "Ca' Rozzeria" line. These are also essentially "mystery" wines except that when you get them, there's no reveal - they don't have the "real" label (though they often have other clues that expert sleuths have put to good use). The Ca' Rozzeria wines I've had have all been terrific values, and there's a robust track record of good CT notes.
Agreed. On one of the latest Chianti Classico ones the producer was actually on the cork. I forget who it was but it was a nice deal to get a $20 wine of good quality for half the price or so.

Also, FWIW I have never been unhappy with an Italian mystery wine. Gotten some goop from some US ones but usually the Italian ones are very good for the price.

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#3649 Post by PeterH » April 10th, 2020, 2:38 pm

I bit on one of the 2000 Il Marroneto mentioned above. It was disappointing.
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#3650 Post by D@ve D y r 0 f f » April 10th, 2020, 2:41 pm

Bret D!sk!n wrote:
April 10th, 2020, 2:35 pm
D@ve D y r 0 f f wrote:
April 10th, 2020, 12:20 pm
Shay h arnoy wrote:
April 10th, 2020, 11:55 am
Im typically not into mystery wines but I am just getting started in italian wines so I guess its a good way to explore/learn a bit on the cheap.
A great way to use Garagiste to explore Italian wines on the cheap is their proprietary "Ca' Rozzeria" line. These are also essentially "mystery" wines except that when you get them, there's no reveal - they don't have the "real" label (though they often have other clues that expert sleuths have put to good use). The Ca' Rozzeria wines I've had have all been terrific values, and there's a robust track record of good CT notes.
Agreed. On one of the latest Chianti Classico ones the producer was actually on the cork. I forget who it was but it was a nice deal to get a $20 wine of good quality for half the price or so.

Also, FWIW I have never been unhappy with an Italian mystery wine. Gotten some goop from some US ones but usually the Italian ones are very good for the price.
I beleive Casa Emma is the one that was suggested/revealed in conjunction with one or more Ca' Rozz Chianti bottlings.

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