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Re: California’s great old vine Zinfandel vineyards

#551 Post by Vince T »

Chris and Morgan put out a 3-hour, 2-part podcast interviewing Will Bucklin of Old Hill this week. Well worth a listen!

Edit: This is the Bedrock Wine Conversations podcast
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Brian Tuite wrote: April 5th, 2021, 5:28 am
Drew Goin wrote: April 5th, 2021, 1:24 am
Drew Goin wrote: February 5th, 2021, 1:29 am
Can YOU name the other 6 old-vine Zinfandel plantings in the Wood Road area?
Brian Tuite wrote: February 20th, 2021, 5:36 am

Then you might as well add Martinelli right? I think that’s a completely different area up on a knoll from Wood Rd. Maybe Drew can chime in.

I posted the question semi-jokingly (referencing the Williams-Selyem video in my post). Mr Mangahas states, in his introduction of the "Fannuchi-Wood Rd Vineyard" Zin, that there are six other old Zinfandel plantings around Wood Rd.

In the video, he never actually names the vineyards that he specifically had in mind. Thus, know-it-all Drew began to compile a mental roster of at least 9 other vineyards (moving South from Wood Rd towards Guerneville Rd). I failed to really listen carefully to the qualifiers in his original statement.
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Thus I presumed that other enthusiasts would end up tallying half of the old Zin plantings in the RRV if left unchecked. Sorry for leaving y'all hanging...


Here's the full context of Mr Mangahas' count:

· There are "6 other really famous vineyards" ON Wood Rd (turning right off of Fulton Rd, if heading South from Fulton, CA, past River Rd);

· Mr Mangahas made wine from 4 of the other sites while employed as winemaker at Hartford.


So...excluding "Fannucchi-Wood Road" from the count, there are 6 really famous old vineyards on Wood Road.
Then the other is Highwire. My brain kept telling me that it was in Piner as part of Papera but it’s really on Wood Rd as a former part of Chelli/Fannuchi which run in succession. I was confusing it with Hartford Vineyard.
Aren't Chelli and Highwire the same vineyard?
https://www.hartfordwines.com/vineyard/ ... e-vineyard
Likewise aren't Arata and Dina's the same vineyard?
https://www.hartfordwines.com/vineyard/dinas-vineyard

So, as you go west on Wood Rd from Fulton Rd, to the north you encounter Arata/Dina's, Chelli/Highwire, Belloni, then Hartford.

On the south side of the road, across from Belloni is Rue (now called Croix estate vineyard), then as you continue west, Fanucchi (which is partly across the road from Hartford).

Excluding Fanucchi, that's still only 5 vineyards. What am I missing?

Hartford has made wine from Arata/Dina's, Chelli/Highwire, Hartford and Fanucchi. The other 2 (that they haven't made wine from afaik) are Rue/Croix and Belloni.
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#553 Post by Brian Tuite »

Fanucchi - Belloni, Tomato - Tomahto, I’ve toured the damn places and still can’t get it right.
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#554 Post by ClydeUnderwood »

Arata/Dina's, Chelli/Highwire, Belloni and Rue/Croix were supposedly all one vineyard originally.

Hartford has a habit of giving their own names to vineyard bottlings. They call their bottling of the Maffei vineyard Jolene's vineyard, after the owners Joanne and Arlene Maffei.

Others who make it just call it Maffei. This vineyard is on the west side of Olivet Rd about 1000' north of the Saitone vineyard.


Drew, if you're reading this check out this abandoned vineyard northwest of the Maffei vineyard:
https://www.google.com/maps/@38.4777759 ... a=!3m1!1e3

The street address appears to be 2101 Oakwild Ln:
https://www.google.com/maps/@38.4770499 ... 384!8i8192

This is south of St. Francis' Giovanetti vineyard.

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St Francis buys their fruit but the Vineyard is definitely owned by the Giovanetti’s Chuck being a friend of mine.
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Brian Tuite wrote: April 6th, 2021, 1:13 pm St Francis buys their fruit but the Vineyard is definitely owned by the Giovanetti’s Chuck being a friend of mine.
Right, that's what I meant, and it's their flagship zin.

Next time you see him, please ask him if he knows what's up with the abandoned vineyard.

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Perhaps there is an error in Mr Mahangas' recollection (although I find that highly unlikely).

Is there a famous non-Zinfandel vineyard on Wood Rd?

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ClydeUnderwood wrote: April 6th, 2021, 12:32 pm
...Drew, if you're reading this check out this abandoned vineyard northwest of the Maffei vineyard:
https://www.google.com/maps/@38.4777759 ... a=!3m1!1e3

The street address appears to be 2101 Oakwild Ln:
https://www.google.com/maps/@38.4770499 ... 384!8i8192

This is south of St. Francis' Giovanetti vineyard.
Do you mean this parcel...?

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#559 Post by Brian Tuite »

Drew Goin wrote: April 6th, 2021, 5:54 pm Perhaps there is an error in Mr Mahangas' recollection (although I find that highly unlikely).

Is there a famous non-Zinfandel vineyard on Wood Rd?
Wood Rd is only a mile and a half long and the last 1/2 of it is rural residential. All the vineyards are on the first 3/4 mile straightaway.
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Robert Rue!
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ClydeUnderwood wrote: April 6th, 2021, 1:20 pm
Brian Tuite wrote: April 6th, 2021, 1:13 pm St Francis buys their fruit but the Vineyard is definitely owned by the Giovanetti’s Chuck being a friend of mine.
Right, that's what I meant, and it's their flagship zin.

Next time you see him, please ask him if he knows what's up with the abandoned vineyard.
He said that’s Krists Vineyard. Old Zin mix he thinks.
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Brian Tuite wrote: September 7th, 2010, 10:19 am Updated:
Latest version (9/7/10):

101 Vineyard Alexander 1930s Turley
Aldo's Napa 1937 Biale
Alegria Vineyards RRV 1890 Ridge, Stryker, Acorn
Alexander Valley Road Alexander 1923 Turley
Amy's RRV 1910 Ledson
Angeli Ranch Alexander Porter Creek, Marietta
Aparicio Amador 1934 Rosenblum
Bacchi Ranch RRV 1909
...
Zichichi DCV 1940s Zichichi

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I was curious about this particular vineyard because of its unusual moniker. If I'd looked more carefully at which producer had bottled an "Amy's Vineyard" Zinfandel, I honestly would have stopped immediately.

Ledson has always adopted proprietary designations for its single-vineyard wines. This can make it hard to determine the source of the fruit. Fortunately, the Google machine was feeling generous today...


According to a blog post from the head of Ledson Winery and Vineyards, the "Amy" in question is his wife. He decided to commemorate their first date by creating a Russian River Valley Zinfandel that reflected her tastes.


Steve Ledson - Living Life to Its Fullest blog
"The Story of Amy's Vineyard"

by Steve Ledson
April 10, 2012

"...I headed over to an old vineyard that used to belong to a dear friend of my fathers, Ernie Bacigalupi. Ernie had planted this vineyard some sixty years ago and had sold it to Tom Fenney, and I’d been leasing it from him for some time. I was always excited about this one block that sat on top of the knoll overlooking the beautiful Russian River Valley.

"...I have extreme passion not only for my wife, but for the wine we’ve produced from Amy’s vineyard over the years. Back in 2004, we started keeping this one block as a separate lot, and Amy and I have made some incredible Zins from it ever since...".


So, "Amy's Vineyard" is/was an older Zinfandel plot originally planted by Ernie Bacigalupi, but leased by Ledson Cellars from the Feeney family. Whether the vineyard still exists in 2021, where it is located, and who owns it remain a mystery.

Although the Ledson website states that the winery owns, "...11 acres of 100-year-old Zinfandel planted in Sonoma County’s Russian River Valley," the "Amy's Vineyard" property is clearly identified in the above blog post to be closer to 70-years-old at this point in time.

A Wine and Spirits article (mentioned in this thread), written after Tom Feeney's passing, stated that Feeney bought up several old-vine plots in the Laguna de Santa Rosa sub-region of the Russian River Valley. When land prices boomed and Pinot Noir vines were being planted left and right, it became profitable for his nephew Mike to sell off some of the ancient vineyards.

I do not know where to find "Amy's Vineyard", as the RRV covers an expansive portion of Sonoma County.

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Drew Goin wrote: April 8th, 2021, 5:15 pm
Brian Tuite wrote: September 7th, 2010, 10:19 am Updated:
Latest version (9/7/10):

101 Vineyard Alexander 1930s Turley
Aldo's Napa 1937 Biale
Alegria Vineyards RRV 1890 Ridge, Stryker, Acorn
Alexander Valley Road Alexander 1923 Turley
Amy's RRV 1910 Ledson
Angeli Ranch Alexander Porter Creek, Marietta
Aparicio Amador 1934 Rosenblum
Bacchi Ranch RRV 1909
...
Zichichi DCV 1940s Zichichi

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I was curious about this particular vineyard because of its unusual moniker. If I'd looked more carefully at which producer had bottled an "Amy's Vineyard" Zinfandel, I honestly would have stopped immediately.

Ledson has always adopted proprietary designations for its single-vineyard wines. This can make it hard to determine the source of the fruit. Fortunately, the Google machine was feeling generous today...


According to a blog post from the head of Ledson Winery and Vineyards, the "Amy" in question is his wife. He decided to commemorate their first date by creating a Russian River Valley Zinfandel that reflected her tastes.


Steve Ledson - Living Life to Its Fullest blog
"The Story of Amy's Vineyard"

by Steve Ledson
April 10, 2012

"...I headed over to an old vineyard that used to belong to a dear friend of my fathers, Ernie Bacigalupi. Ernie had planted this vineyard some sixty years ago and had sold it to Tom Fenney, and I’d been leasing it from him for some time. I was always excited about this one block that sat on top of the knoll overlooking the beautiful Russian River Valley.

"...I have extreme passion not only for my wife, but for the wine we’ve produced from Amy’s vineyard over the years. Back in 2004, we started keeping this one block as a separate lot, and Amy and I have made some incredible Zins from it ever since...".


So, "Amy's Vineyard" is/was an older Zinfandel plot originally planted by Ernie Bacigalupi, but leased by Ledson Cellars from the Feeney family. Whether the vineyard still exists in 2021, where it is located, and who owns it remain a mystery.

Although the Ledson website states that the winery owns, "...11 acres of 100-year-old Zinfandel planted in Sonoma County’s Russian River Valley," the "Amy's Vineyard" property is clearly identified in the above blog post to be closer to 70-years-old at this point in time.

A Wine and Spirits article (mentioned in this thread), written after Tom Feeney's passing, stated that Feeney bought up several old-vine plots in the Laguna de Santa Rosa sub-region of the Russian River Valley. When land prices boomed and Pinot Noir vines were being planted left and right, it became profitable for his nephew Mike to sell off some of the ancient vineyards.

I do not know where to find "Amy's Vineyard", as the RRV covers an expansive portion of Sonoma County.
Steve Ledson bought this gorgeous head pruned old vine property on the corner of River Rd and Bisordi Lane. He then proceeded to cut back all the arms on the vines and ran wires in an attempt to trellis train the vines so they would produces more fruit which in turn would increase the value of the property for resale. After about 4 years the vines still would not conform so they were ripped out and a new homogenized vineyard was planted in their place. The property has changed hands again.

I remember when the place went up for sale the first time. I was driving by one morning and the owner old timer was walking the rows looking almost like he was saying good-bye to his kids.

Really sad to see what became of this place.

Now you know... the REST of the story.

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Drew Goin wrote: April 6th, 2021, 6:03 pm
ClydeUnderwood wrote: April 6th, 2021, 12:32 pm
...Drew, if you're reading this check out this abandoned vineyard northwest of the Maffei vineyard:
https://www.google.com/maps/@38.4777759 ... a=!3m1!1e3

The street address appears to be 2101 Oakwild Ln:
https://www.google.com/maps/@38.4770499 ... 384!8i8192

This is south of St. Francis' Giovanetti vineyard.
Do you mean this parcel...?


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APN# 057-040-011-000

2220 OAKWILD LN SANTA ROSA CA 95401-3857
This plot has virtually no information available online to indicate its use in grape-growing. It is privately owned.
Yes, that's the parcel I meant.

Regarding Tom Feeney vineyards, at one time he owned the Montafi vineyard. Carlisle made at least a couple of bottlings of it (2004 & 2005) labeled as Tom Feeney Ranch, but in 2006 began labeling it as Montafi.
https://www.carlislewinery.com/montafi
The Montafi vineyard is owned by Seghesio and is on Piner Rd, NW of the intersection of Piner and Bossa. Feeney was also involved with the Papera and Barbieri vineyards. Thanks to Mike Officer, Papera was saved. North of Montafi, at the end of Bossa Rd lies a house in the middle of what was once the Vera Gold vineyard. It was scraped away to create a vernal pool "bank" to be purchased for credits by developers remediating salamander habitat removal in other more buildable parcels. Seghesio made a Vera Gold zin which is how they knew about Montafi. Everyvine still shows the Vera Gold vineyard north of Montafi (still labeled Tom Feeney).

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#565 Post by Brian Tuite »

ClydeUnderwood wrote: April 8th, 2021, 11:49 pm
Drew Goin wrote: April 6th, 2021, 6:03 pm
ClydeUnderwood wrote: April 6th, 2021, 12:32 pm
...Drew, if you're reading this check out this abandoned vineyard northwest of the Maffei vineyard:
https://www.google.com/maps/@38.4777759 ... a=!3m1!1e3

The street address appears to be 2101 Oakwild Ln:
https://www.google.com/maps/@38.4770499 ... 384!8i8192

This is south of St. Francis' Giovanetti vineyard.
Do you mean this parcel...?


mapImg (1).png


Parcel Details below in Spoiler
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Sonoma Assessors Office
APN# 057-040-011-000

2220 OAKWILD LN SANTA ROSA CA 95401-3857
This plot has virtually no information available online to indicate its use in grape-growing. It is privately owned.
Yes, that's the parcel I meant.

Regarding Tom Feeney vineyards, at one time he owned the Montafi vineyard. Carlisle made at least a couple of bottlings of it (2004 & 2005) labeled as Tom Feeney Ranch, but in 2006 began labeling it as Montafi.
https://www.carlislewinery.com/montafi
The Montafi vineyard is owned by Seghesio and is on Piner Rd, NW of the intersection of Piner and Bossa. Feeney was also involved with the Papera and Barbieri vineyards. Thanks to Mike Officer, Papera was saved. North of Montafi, at the end of Bossa Rd lies a house in the middle of what was once the Vera Gold vineyard. It was scraped away to create a vernal pool "bank" to be purchased for credits by developers remediating salamander habitat removal in other more buildable parcels. Seghesio made a Vera Gold zin which is how they knew about Montafi. Everyvine still shows the Vera Gold vineyard north of Montafi (still labeled Tom Feeney).
The Ledson purchased property mentioned earlier was a former Tom Feeney holding.
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Thank you for the help identifying lost RRV Zinfandel sites!


I believe that the adoption of "Tom Feeney Ranch" by wineries in the early-to-mid-2000's was a way to circumvent potential legal issues with DeLoach Cellars over the use of proprietary vineyard names. Later, presumably after the sale of DeLoach, several property owners and wineries gained the ability to sell wines with "Papera", "Montafi", etc, on the labels.

While I am still looking for where he said it, I recently read a comment by Mr Stuart Coulson, owner of the "Papera Ranch", that reinforces my thoughts. essentiallysen stated that he had to gain legal rights to call his property "Papera" after years of its use being sole privilege of a certain company.


Mr Mike Officer labeled his earlier single-vineyard releases from the "Montafi Vineyard" as "Tom Feeney Ranch". As the Carlisle website profile for "Montafi" states:

"...Planted in 1926, we originally designated our zinfandel from this ranch as 'Tom Feeney Ranch', as Tom purchased this ranch from the Bernardo Montafi in 1999. But with a new owner in 2006, we have returned to calling this vineyard by its proper name, Montafi Ranch."


The old Starry Night winery lists a "Tom Feeney Ranch" 2006 Zinfandel. This is part of the description:

"2006 Starry Night 'Tom Feeney Ranch' Russian River Valley Zinfandel

"This Old Vine Zinfandel comes from four vineyards on 'Tom Feeney Ranch'. The 'Montafi' and 'Baldacci' Vineyards were planted in the early part of the last century, 'Piner Vineyard' was planted in the mid -1940s, 'Barbieri Vineyard' in 1928 and 'Papera Vineyard' in 1934...".


From a "Wine Spies" interview with Wayne Hansen, the winemaker for Starry Night, promoting the 2006 vintage Starry Night "Tom Feeney Ranch" Zinfandel:

"...WAYNE: This is the last vintage of the 'Tom Feeney Ranch' Old Vine Zinfandel. We have made this wine every year from 1997 until 2006. It has been our flagship wine. After Tom’s death, the vineyard was sold in 2006 and all but one small plot of zinfandel was replanted with Pinot Noir grapes. These were historical vineyards that should have been preserved and their loss was mourned by all of us who knew and loved the wine that came from those gnarly old vines."

"...Composition: 17% Piner Road Vineyard Zinfandel, 7% Montafi Vineyard Zinfandel, 16% Barbieri Vineyard Zinfandel, 30% Papera Vineyard Zinfandel, 30% Baldacci Vineyard"


Here is a description of the "Tom Feeney Ranch", provided by Sol Rouge Vineyards and Winery in another Wine Spies promotion from the past, Sol Rouge's 2006 "Tom Feeney Ranch" Zinfandel:

"...The Vineyards:
"'Tom Feeney Ranch' contains the most sought after old-vine Zinfandel in all of California. We were very fortunate to be able to secure grapes from several of the vineyards from this famed ranch. We bottled a blend of the various vineyards which we are releasing under the 'Tom Feeney Ranch' name, but we kept aside a small amount of three of the most unique vineyards from this ranch, the 'Papera', the 'Barbieri', and the 'Piner', for our Club members.

"Zinfandel enthusiasts may recall the 'Barbieri' and 'Papera' vineyards, two of the top single vineyard Zinfandel’s from the old DeLoach label, both planted in the 1930s. Tom purchased these Zinfandel vineyards from De Loach in the late 90’s, adding to his old vine estate which contain the 'Piner', 'River' and 'Montavi' [sic] vineyards."


If I am wrong in any of this post, I apologize.

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The original De Loach zinfandel bottlings were: Papera Ranch, Pelletti Ranch, Gambogi Ranch, Saitone Ranch and Barbieri Ranch.

Cecil De Loach apparently trademarked the names so Mike Officer decided to name his (newly purchased) Pelletti Ranch vineyard the Carlisle vineyard after his wife Kendall's maiden name, rather than purchase the trademark rights. Cecil managed to hang onto the Gambogi vineyard after the 2003 bankruptcy. I believe it is located near the Carlisle vineyard on the north side of Henry Ln east of Willowside Rd. Hook and Ladder (the De Loach family) winery has made a Gambogi zin in the recent past, but there's no evidence of the vineyard on the current website.

The Barbieri vineyard (which was torn out and replanted to pinot) was on the east side of Olivet Rd across from the Saitone vineyard (NW of corner of Olivet and West Olivet Rds). Adam Lee told me the Barbieri was heavily virused from years of neglect. Ironically Siduri makes a Barbieri pinot now (after the vineyard came into the JFW orbit).

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ClydeUnderwood wrote: April 9th, 2021, 12:54 pm The original De Loach zinfandel bottlings were: Papera Ranch, Pelletti Ranch, Gambogi Ranch, Saitone Ranch and Barbieri Ranch.

Cecil De Loach apparently trademarked the names so Mike Officer decided to name his (newly purchased) Pelletti Ranch vineyard the Carlisle vineyard after his wife Kendall's maiden name, rather than purchase the trademark rights. Cecil managed to hang onto the Gambogi vineyard after the 2003 bankruptcy. I believe it is located near the Carlisle vineyard on the north side of Henry Ln east of Willowside Rd. Hook and Ladder (the De Loach family) winery has made a Gambogi zin in the recent past, but there's no evidence of the vineyard on the current website.

"...Cecil DeLoach bought or leased...Papera, Barbieri, Pelletti, and Gambogi vineyard Zins were true cult wines, producing tiny quantities and tasted and discussed by an equally miniscule company of Zin fanatics. In the turmoil leading up to the sale of DeLoach in 2003, those vineyards were divested or changed hands (except for Gambogi, which is still owned by Cecil DeLoach)...

"Grower Tom Feeney knew an opportunity when he saw one. His family's blocks of old Zin vines - the former Montafi and Bacigalupi vineyards - had been saved from chardonnization by DeLoach's successful white Zin program. Now, he astutely snapped up the Papera and Barbieri vineyards...".

- from "Raiders of the Lost Zin" by Rod Smith
Wine & Spirits, October 2004



I want to say that the Gambogi Vineyard still exists. I cannot believe that someone who played a prominent role in saving old Zinfandel vineyards, who obviously saw the value in struggling plantings that bore tiny yields, would turn around and replant his only remaining treasure.

I wonder whether the "Bacigalupi Vineyard" mentioned in the above article is still around. I believe that there used to be more than one Zin vineyard bearing that designation. Would this contradict Mike's assertion that "Amy's Vineyard" was ripped up?

ClydeUnderwood wrote: April 9th, 2021, 12:54 pm The Barbieri vineyard (which was torn out and replanted to pinot) was on the east side of Olivet Rd across from the Saitone vineyard (NW of corner of Olivet and West Olivet Rds). Adam Lee told me the Barbieri was heavily virused from years of neglect. Ironically Siduri makes a Barbieri pinot now (after the vineyard came into the JFW orbit).
The wines made from the new Pinot Noir vines bear the same name as the vineyard they replaced??

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I think the reason Hook & Ladder doesn't list the Gambogi vineyard may be that it's a tasting room only wine, but it's very odd that there's no mention of the vineyard on the website. There is a bottle shot of the 2018 H&L Gambogi on CT.

Drew I believe you're right about there being more than 1 Bacigalupi vineyard in RRV. There's the obvious one(s) near the Bacigalupi tasting room up on Westside Rd near Healdsburg, but I recall there's a Bacigalupi Rd that goes north up from Piner Rd just west of the Montafi vineyard. Everyvine shows all the vineyards near there (including Montafi) as Tom Feeney Ranch. Except for Montafi "Tom Feeney Ranch [5]" these all appear to be modern trellised vineyards from the satellite images. If you click on one of the Tom Feeney Ranch blocks on everyvine (for example Montafi) it will bring up a map showing all the Tom Feeney vineyards which is interesting. It shows several Tom Feeney blocks to the west of the Montafi vineyard (basically surrounding Bacigalupi Rd), a block NE of the Saitone vineyard on Olivet Rd (which was probably Barbieri) as well as two separate blocks north of River Rd. One east of Martinelli and the other just west of Fulton (the same one that Brian showed further up in the thread).

Interestingly, satellite imagery does show a head trained block just west of the Tom Feeney blocks on the north side of Piner Rd. It's at 2925 Piner Rd, NW of Battagalini Winery (which also has quite a few OV blocks itself, on the south side of Piner Rd). It's not labeled on everyvine.

And yes, Siduri labels their Barbieri pinot as such:
https://www.siduri.com/wines/barbieri-v ... pinot-noir
I've had it and it's actually pretty good.


Everyvine is pathetically out of date, but in this case that's an advantage.

This is a good recap:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cecil_O._De_Loach_Jr.

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Brian Tuite wrote: April 6th, 2021, 6:09 pm
Drew Goin wrote: April 6th, 2021, 5:54 pm Perhaps there is an error in Mr Mahangas' recollection (although I find that highly unlikely).

Is there a famous non-Zinfandel vineyard on Wood Rd?
Wood Rd is only a mile and a half long and the last 1/2 of it is rural residential. All the vineyards are on the first 3/4 mile straightaway.

I wish that I had recalled the existence of the following thread earlier:

"Wood Road RRV Zin Vineyards?"
posted September 6, 2016, by me


Mr Morgan Twain-Peterson of Bedrock Wine Co. swooped in to provide assistance identifying the heritage Zinfandel vineyards in the vicinity of Wood Road.


Mr Brian Maloney of DeLoach and Buena Vista helped identify which wineries were sourcing grapes from specific sites. He also related news of the purchase of the "Robert Rue Vineyard" (now the Croix Estate vineyard) by Venge Vineyards.

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ClydeUnderwood wrote: April 9th, 2021, 5:42 pm
I think the reason Hook & Ladder doesn't list the Gambogi vineyard may be that it's a tasting room only wine, but it's very odd that there's no mention of the vineyard on the website.

According to a distribution company website, the Hook and Ladder's Zinfandel is composed of grapes from the "Gambogi Vineyard", along with components from (at least) one other Piner-Olivet site:

"...Virtually all (95%) of this Zin is made from vines over 100 years old on our Saitone and Gambogi vineyards, planted in 1895 and 1909, respectively."

Why on earth would a winery whose owner established his reputation on single-vineyard old Zinfandel bottlings omit any mention of the fruit sources on the label?

ClydeUnderwood wrote: April 9th, 2021, 5:42 pm
Everyvine is pathetically out of date, but in this case that's an advantage.

For over a year, I was unable to view the map on Everyvine. Whether the fault rested with my cellphone or the website remains a mystery. However, after you posted the above comment, I finally managed to access the Everyvine satellite maps.

Yes, the info is often out of date (or simply just downright wrong). Nevertheless, I used to spend considerable amounts of time playing around on the site.

I enjoy identifying the changes in regional vineyard maps over the passage of time. You know how big of a nerd I am about maps!!

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#572 Post by Brian Tuite »

Drew Goin wrote: April 15th, 2021, 1:47 pm
Brian Tuite wrote: April 6th, 2021, 6:09 pm
Drew Goin wrote: April 6th, 2021, 5:54 pm Perhaps there is an error in Mr Mahangas' recollection (although I find that highly unlikely).

Is there a famous non-Zinfandel vineyard on Wood Rd?
Wood Rd is only a mile and a half long and the last 1/2 of it is rural residential. All the vineyards are on the first 3/4 mile straightaway.

I wish that I had recalled the existence of the following thread earlier:

"Wood Road RRV Zin Vineyards?"
posted September 6, 2016, by me


Mr Morgan Twain-Peterson of Bedrock Wine Co. swooped in to provide assistance identifying the heritage Zinfandel vineyards in the vicinity of Wood Road.


Mr Brian Maloney of DeLoach and Buena Vista helped identify which wineries were sourcing grapes from specific sites. He also related news of the purchase of the "Robert Rue Vineyard" (now the Croix Estate vineyard) by Venge Vineyards.
I was just on Wood Rd yesterday as my tax lady lives across the street from Highwire. I was checking the vineyards as we drove down the road... Belloni, Fanucchi, Criox Estate? Chelli, Highwire...
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