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Re: California’s great old vine Zinfandel vineyards

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I received an email from Inspiration Vineyards today with this tidbit of information:


"...We’re sad to say that our 2017 'Old Vine' Zinfandel, always a favorite, is the last vintage from the vineyard I sold last year. The new owner ripped out the 100+ year old vines to make room for new Pinot Noir vines...."


As I don't know much about this producer or its fruit sources, I hope someone can provide details about this specific location. The loss of century-old Zin plots in the Piner-Olivet area is apparently an ongoing thing. :(


Inspiration Vineyards website: "Our Story"

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Looking at a data sheet for the "Old Vine" Estate Zinfandel, the winery's address was listed as 2040 Olivet Road, Santa Rosa, CA.

"The grapes for this wine come from our own hand tended 100 year old head pruned and dry farmed vineyard, producing a wine rich with intense concentrated fruit flavors...".

The current address for the winery is 3360 Coffey Lane, Suite E, in Santa Rosa, which is within the urbanized portion of the town. This is the same address as for Premonition Cellers.


Sonoma County Tourism profile for Inspiration Vineyards (with video interview)


Inspiration Vineyards website:
http://www.inspirationvineyards.com/
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I believe the vineyard was across Olivet Rd (due east) from the Saitone vineyard. In your picture you can see Saitone in the lower right hand corner of the picture and the (now lost) vineyard across the street.

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Brian Tuite wrote: January 23rd, 2019, 8:09 am From my prior post.

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The "Pagani Ranch" is one of the most well-known old vineyards in Sonoma County.

I found some articles and videos about "Pagani", and thought it might be fun to share a few here for lovers of this historic site:



YouTube Video: Bedrock Wine Company "Pagani Ranch"




Press Democrat
"Kenwood Ranchers Argue Vineyards Better than Housing on Valley Landscape"
by Meg McConahey
February 17, 2017

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"Dino Pagani Amantite pulls up in a tractor on a chilly winter afternoon. He has been pruning and his hands are caked with the mud from soil farmed by his family since the 1880s. That’s when his great-grandfather Felice Pagani, one of 14 kids, left Lake Como for opportunity in America and found it in Glen Ellen.

“'I get my hands dirty. The farmhands respect me for it,' said the 58-year-old grapegrower, who oversees the storied 'Pagani Ranch' with his mother, Norma, 80. She lives in a ranchhouse that predates the 1906 earthquake and keeps all the books by hand. She also has firm opinions about how to deal with vines.

“'No two are alike. One vine cusses you out and another vine says, "How are you old lady?" And that is what makes it so good. You don’t see any two that are identical,' she said, peering out from the folds of a heavy cap with ear flaps.

"Her grandfather, Felice Pagani, bought two ranches and many of the gnarly old vines he planted are still producing flavor-rich grapes prized by wineries like Ridge and Seghesio.

"Back in 1972, Norma moved with her young family back to Glen Ellen to care for the ranch. But it was mainly just maintaining what they had. Then six years ago, the family decided to revive the ranch, digging a new well, adding irrigation and planting 25 acres of vines on land that hadn’t been used in some 80 years.

"...The Amantites are supportive of any new development related to agriculture or the tourism that supports agriculture and that fends off what they feel would be more onerous types of development. Dino believes the new Sugarloaf Crush custom winemaking facility near Oakmont will aid grape growers, and he said he finds the houses that have cropped up along the hillsides unobtrusive.

“'People can complain about vineyards and tasting rooms,' Dino said. 'But if we didn’t have them, it all would be paved over into homes.'

"The extended family is now committed to keeping the ranch within the family, rather than selling off the 181 acres...."



RJon Wine Blog
"A Tour Of Historic California Vineyards"
May 30, 2012


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"...Angela and Felice Pagani came from Italy to Sonoma Valley in the late 1880s and purchased the ranch and planted these vines. It is unique in having very narrow rows. The vines are head trained and the vineyard is dry farmed. The vineyard used to be plowed by horses before tractors and discs were invented. They currently have 187 acres planted, 55 of which contain old vines. Eighteen acres alone contain Alicante Bouschet. Its leaves turn a bright red with patches of purple in the Fall, which makes those vines a distinctive local landmark...."



Kenwood Press
"Obituary: Olive Pagani, 1907-2005"
May 15, 2005

"...She was born on the 'Pagani Ranch' in Glen Ellen in 1907, property her parents Felice and Angela Pagani had settled on in the late 1800’s after the family immigrated from the Lake Como region of Northern Italy.

"The 187-acre ranch, sitting just off of Highway 12 slightly north of Dunbar Rd., has 55 acres of vineyards, some vines close to 120 years old...."


Vineyard 360: "Pagani Ranch"

Historic Vineyard Society: "Pagani Ranch"


SF Gate
"Golden Oldies: There's More than just Fruit in Old-Vine Zinfandel -- Its Earthy Flavors are History in a Bottle"
by W. Blake Gray
July 28, 2005


Producers of Pagani Ranch Zinfandel:

Bedrock Wine Company

Carlisle Winery

Seghesio Winery

Ridge Vineyards
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Brian Tuite wrote: January 19th, 2019, 10:17 am There is a parcel to the West of what is labeled Pring Mountain on the Bynum map that is old vine Zinfandel. It fronts Westside Rd and is quite picturesque.

I wonder if you are talking about this place, or if it's the same one as the Davis Bynum property...

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The vineyard in the NE area of the Seghesio map is called "River Road", and is a source of Zinfandel grapes for the winery.

"'River Road'

"Located on the eastern bench of northern Alexander Valley, 'River Road' is the warmest of our vineyards. Yolo and gravelly sandy loams are the result of this vineyard’s proximity to the Russian River.

"Total Acreage: 56 acres (100% Zinfandel)
Estate owned since 1942"
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Drew Goin wrote: March 4th, 2019, 7:24 pm
Brian Tuite wrote: January 19th, 2019, 10:17 am There is a parcel to the West of what is labeled Pring Mountain on the Bynum map that is old vine Zinfandel. It fronts Westside Rd and is quite picturesque.

I wonder if you are talking about this place, or if it's the same one as the Davis Bynum property...


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The vineyard in the NE area of the Seghesio map is called "River Road", and is a source of Zinfandel grapes for the winery.

"'River Road'

"Located on the eastern bench of northern Alexander Valley, 'River Road' is the warmest of our vineyards. Yolo and gravelly sandy loams are the result of this vineyard’s proximity to the Russian River.

"Total Acreage: 56 acres (100% Zinfandel)
Estate owned since 1942"
No, that map is north of Geyserville near Chianti Station where Seghesio gets its Sangiovese. That was partof the old Italian Swiss Colony. The parcel I was referring to is along Westside Rd southwest of Healdsburg.
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Here are two resources, individually distinct in topic, though each are related to the thread's subject matter:



The Vineyards in Sonoma County: Being the Report of I. De Turk, Commissioner for the Sonoma District,
California Board of State Viticultural Commissioners (1893)

• entry for Hearst, estate of "Madrone Vineyard", Agua Caliente (now "Bedrock Vineyard")

• entry for McElarney (estate) and Smith, Cloverdale



An Illustrated History of Sonoma County, California: Containing a History of the County of Sonoma from the Earliest Period of Its Occupancy to the Present Time
Lewis Publishing Company (1889)

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FPS Presentations
"Variety Focus: Zinfandel"



"In this one-day series of lectures held on May 31, 2007, we examined the origins of Zinfandel; discussed the importance, development, and selection of clones; and heard from experienced Zinfandel winegrowers about their use of this unique variety. In addition to UC Davis faculty, UC farm advisors, experienced California growers and winemakers, guest speakers from Croatia, now believed to be the home of Zinfandel, were featured. This program increased awareness of the great potential of this unique variety.


"Speakers:

• Charles Sullivan, leading expert on the history of California wine;

• Deborah Golino, UC Cooperative Extension Specialist and Director of Foundation Plant Services, UC Davis;

• James Wolpert, UC Davis Viticulture Extension Specialist;

• Dave Gates, Vice-President, Vineyard Operations, Ridge Vineyards;

• Scott McLeod, Director of Winegrowing, Rubicon Estate, Rutherford, Napa Valley;

• Donna Hirschfelt, UC Cooperative Extension, Amador and El Dorado Counties;

• Carole Meredith, UC Davis emeritus professor with Ivan Pejic and Edi Maletic, University of Zagreb, Croatia."
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I have been wondering exactly where a few famous old Sonoma Valley Zinfandel vineyards are located. I know where "Bedrock", "Old Hill", "Pagani", "Barricia", "Chauvet", "Shaw", "Stellwagen/Armor Plate", "Wellington", and others are.

What about...



These two are supposedly near Arnold & Boyes (Sonoma, CA):


- Samsel / Maggie's Vineyard

- Casa Santinammaria Vineyard

^ Are they one and the same vineyard?


I have no idea where to find:

- Rowe Vineyard



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Metroactive Archives
Sonoma Independent
"Old-Vine Wines: In praise of reds: Savoring the taste of tradition among Sonoma County's time-honored wines"
by Steve Bjerklie
Feb. 28-Mar. 6, 1996

Google Books
California Vines, Wines and Pioneers

by Sherry Monahan
Excerpt: location of Casa Santinammaria Vineyard

Fermentation Wine Blog
"Recognition Beyond Ratings"
by Tom Wark
January 29, 2007

HVS page for Casa Santinammaria/Maggie's Vineyard

HVS page for Rowe Vineyard

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From a Gamba Vineyards & Winery email featuring the summer vineyard work in the +100-year-old field:


YouTube Video: Gamba Vineyards






Gamba Vineyards website:
https://gambawinery.com/

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Zinfandel Advocates & Producers (ZAP) has shared several videos of vineyard highlights on Vimeo...


"Legendary Vineyards - Bedrock"





From the video description for the "Legendary Vineyards Teaser":

"ZAP spent almost a year visiting and filming many of California’s Legendary Zinfandel Vineyards and we’re sharing this inspiring view of California’s Zinfandel landscape through a series of videos, thanks to a Specialty Crop Grant from CDFA. The vineyards featured in these videos each have a distinct story to tell. Each of these vineyards is still growing exceptional grapes because of factors that include location, soil type, grape mix and access to good winemaking. But, by no means is that the end of the story!

"Of the more than 1400 Zinfandel vineyards planted in California, almost 500 are bottled with the vineyard name on the label as single vineyard wines, or vineyard designated wines."

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Sean Devaney wrote: November 6th, 2016, 11:27 am
Drew Goin wrote:I saw that the Ravenswood 2012 "Besieged" red blend included some Hemar Ranch, Alexander Valley, fruit. A Google search turned up this Gang of Pour page:

http://gangofpour.com/bree/northern_ridge/index.html

"[Ridge] 2000 Zinfandel Llewelyn – ATP - 77% Zinfandel, 23% Carignane, 15.2% alcohol - The Hemar Ranch is the source for this wine, and is located on Dutcher Creek Road, in the hills that separate the Dry Creek Valley from the Alexander Valley (which is its AVA). The oldest Zinfandel blocks date back to the 1890s – the Carignane to 1913."

It therefore appears that Ridge and Ravenswood (possibly even Dry Creek Vineyards) produce - or produced - red wines from the Zinfandel and Carignan vines at Hemar Ranch.
Ridge only made Llewelyn zins in 2000 and 2001. The 2000 is still one of my favorite ATP wines, wish I had grabbed more. I was told from someone at Ridge that the owners of the vineyard would not sell Ridge the old vines unless they took the more recent plantings and that didn't fit into Ridge's plans.

Edit: To add I just read The Allan Bree article linked above. Allan and Wes Barton along with Tom Hill are the most knowledgeable posters on all things Ridge. Maybe they will chime in?

I just wanted to add that several 2017 and 2018 vintage Zinfandels (plus one Carignan) have appeared online that are labeled as "Hemar Vineyard"- sourced.

- Miro Cellars 2017 "Hemar Vineyard" Zinfandel

"Hemar Vineyard is situated on the rolling hills between Highway 101 and Dutcher Creek Road in the Alexander Valley. The ages of the vines vary from 45 to over 100 years old. Decomposed rock and brick-red Manzanita type soils are very well suited for low pH Zins with deep red color and robust, age-worthy structure."

- BACA "Pitch Hitter" Carignan "Hemar Vineyard"

"Among the diverse grape varieties in historic Californian field-blends, Carignan was a favorite. It’s less commonly found as a stand-alone wine. This wine is a product of vines planted in 1900 and with age they have come in their to own. The resulting wine is uniquely old-world in character. Some was blended with our zins adding breadth, color and acid. But we couldn’t resist saving a few barrels to enjoy on its own!"

- Wine Guerilla 2018 "Hemar Vineyard" Zinfandel:

"The newest addition to the Wine Guerrilla Zinfandel family, the Hemar Vineyard Zin hailing from Alexander Valley. Located in Cloverdale, these vines are headtrained so the grapes are concentrated and juicy. This zin is smooth with cherry and vanilla, rounded off with a touch of spice on the finish."

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I still need help locating the "Rowe Vineyard" in Sonoma Valley.


The Historic Vineyard Society website's profile doesn't indicate the "Rowe Vineyard's" specific location: Link

Here are some producers, past and current, that have bottled "Rowe Vineyard" fruit in a blend or as a vineyard-designated wine:

· Bedrock Wine Company

· Carlisle Winery & Vineyards*

· St Anne's Crossing

· St Francis Winery


* From the GuildSomm website - "An Interview with Mike Officer: Old Vines, Zinfandel and California's Viticultural Heritage"

"...While it just misses the northern Sonoma Valley AVA boundary by 100 yards or so, we’ve also added Rowe Vineyard this year. Rowe was planted c. 1906."

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#514 Post by Steve Gautier »

Morgan described it as "just outside the northern end of Sonoma Valley AVA"
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That would put it just north of Cloverdale in Mendocino County
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#516 Post by Steve Gautier »

I don't think so. Sonoma Valley AVA northeastern edge is at Santa Rosa. My guess would be around 38.4673712, -122.6108284 based on this article. It looks like it was a victim of the Glass fire. The 2011 Bedrock Rowe references Chuck Rowe on the back label.

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Actually more like 38.4629189, -122.6260659
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S. Rash wrote: November 18th, 2020, 10:39 am That would put it just north of Cloverdale in Mendocino County
Sonoma Valley AVA begins around Pythian Rd where St Francis lies.
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Steve Gautier wrote: November 18th, 2020, 10:50 am Actually more like 38.4629189, -122.6260659
^ This ^

The only Old vines on Wildwood Trail.
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#520 Post by Josh Grossman »

Brian Tuite wrote: November 18th, 2020, 11:19 am
Steve Gautier wrote: November 18th, 2020, 10:50 am Actually more like 38.4629189, -122.6260659
^ This ^

The only Old vines on Wildwood Trail.
Coincidentally, a Charles Rowe, age 43, lives there too.

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#521 Post by Brian Tuite »

Josh Grossman wrote: November 18th, 2020, 11:25 am
Brian Tuite wrote: November 18th, 2020, 11:19 am
Steve Gautier wrote: November 18th, 2020, 10:50 am Actually more like 38.4629189, -122.6260659
^ This ^

The only Old vines on Wildwood Trail.
Coincidentally, a Charles Rowe, age 43, lives there too.
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Steve Gautier wrote: November 18th, 2020, 10:47 am I don't think so. Sonoma Valley AVA northeastern edge is at Santa Rosa. My guess would be around 38.4673712, -122.6108284 based on this article. It looks like it was a victim of the Glass fire. The 2011 Bedrock Rowe references Chuck Rowe on the back label.

https://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/n ... amos-road/
You're right. I totally misread that and thought it said Sonoma County.
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#523 Post by Drew Goin »

Thanks for the contributions, fellow web-detectives!


The GPS coordinates and Press Democrat article on led me to find the address of the "Rowe Vineyard".

733 Los Alamos Rd, Santa Rosa, CA


Vineyards apparently can serve as efficient firebreaks! Recent Google Maps images show nothing but barren land surrounding the vines to the immediate North. The PD article shines light on the catastrophic damage the vicinity must have suffered during the fires.

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After combing the edges of Sonoma Valley near Kenwood, I think I have made a couple of discoveries. The upward-climbing route of Lawndale Road is obviously a region worth additional scrutiny in tracking down the exact locations of a handful of old Zinfandel and "mixed black" vineyards.


· Kimberly Vineyard:

Naperville Magazine
"From Sonoma with Love"

August, 2020

"...Kimberly Vineyards, is a historic nine-acre Sonoma Valley property that’s home to century-old olive trees and grape vines that took root before Prohibition. When Feldman and Cherny—who had been on the hunt for a Zinfandel source for their 2019 vintage—learned the property was in a transitional phase, they approached second-generation owner Kimberly Eisert about a partnership. Eisert, who was concerned with the health of her vineyard after years of conventional farming, was immediately impressed by Feldman’s knowledge of Sonoma Valley and its history.

"...It seems the vines appreciate their new caretakers, too—they have gifted Feldman and Cherny with abundant fruit, including the sought-after Zinfandel. Source & Sink’s newly released 2019 lineup includes 80 cases of single-varietal Zinfandel, and the grape also features in the year’s Red Field Blend...".


Kimberly Eisert is the daughter of Ernie Myer, who passed away in 2014. Myer's obituary in the Press Democrat states, "He retired from TWA in 1991 and became a full-time 'grape-grower'; loving the land, work and peace he found in farming."


From Source & Sink website:

"Kimberly Vineyard"

"...Relics of the past residents include pre-prohibition mix black grape varieties, 100 year old olive trees, and barns once used to house guinea fowl. In the 1970’s Ernie Meyers purchased the property from the Granelli Family as a means to get away from the city life. It was here that he seeked grape-growing mentorship from neighboring vintner Val Rossi. Ernie and Val planted Cabernet Sauvignon which still thrives today, as well as Zinfandel, Chenin Blanc, and a mixed Rhone block of Syrah, Grenache, & Mourvèdre."

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I am unable to determine whether the "Kimberly Vineyard" was known by other names in the past, or if it was the subject of any vineyard-designated wines. Also, I am not certain what proportion of the planting is composed of ancient vines.


· Rossi Vineyard:

Historic Vineyard Society profile: "Rossi Ranch"


Loxton Cellars website: "Rossi Ranch"

"I used to live on warm Springs Road in Glen Ellen and one of my favorite walks was to go up Lawndale Road in Kenwood into a little Valley where the road narrowed to one lane as it went through the old Rossi Ranch. It was a fabulous vineyard, originally planted in 1910 by the Rossi Family and it contained an incredible collection of old vines of various varieties which at first glance appeared to be haphazardly intermixed. I once asked Val Rossi, then in his eighties, why there were table grapes and I was surprised to hear that his father had planted them for the pickers to eat! I just loved those old vines, pruned almost as bonsai trees (bush vines as we would say in Australia) and while it needed some replanting and upkeep, I often thought about the wines that they made.

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"The vineyard was purchased following Val’s death and while some of those old vines were retained, much has been replanted with the utmost attention to detail and with a commitment to quality and for farming organically. My friend, Greg Adams, was intimately involved with the replanting and was the facilitator to me getting some of these grapes in 2009. While there are many blocks and many varieties (focused on Zinfandel and the Rhone varieties), I have been getting Zinfandel several different blocks and Syrah from hillside blocks on the red soils that face out to the west...".


Carlisle Winery website: "Rossi Ranch"

"Planted in 1910 by the Rossi Family, this must be one of the most picturesque vineyards in Sonoma County. Farmed organically, there are a variety of hills, undulations, and exposures, all surrounded by a mix of oak and pine/fir forest. Unfortunately, after the death of Val Rossi in 1999, the vineyard fell into disrepair and many of the old vines were lost, including large tracts of Alicante Bouschet and Grand Noir. New owners have completed a massive renovation of the vineyard, preserving not just the remaining old vines but all the original structures as well...".

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February 10, 2016

"...After poetry and the Grateful Dead, my dad Phil Coturri's, first love is farming. By the harvest of 1977 he was 25 years old and his farming career was just starting - picking grapes and running a crew at 'Val' Rossi's vineyard on Lawndale Road in Kenwood.

"The owner of the ranch, Valentine Rossi (1909-1999), was a wise, old-school farmer with a sentimental side. He was born and raised on the ranch and lived there all his life. His father Carlo Rossi (not to be confused with the jug wine salesman) was born in Italy in 1874 and planted the Rossi Vineyard in 1910, a year after his son Val was born.

"The 'mixed-black' old vines, sweeping vistas and rich history have long made the Rossi Ranch an iconic Sonoma Valley site, but to me its significance is much more personal.

"This bucolic property, a throwback to Sonoma’s bygone era, is the setting for how Phil met my mother, Arden.

"The vineyard stands astride Sonoma Mountain and Bennett Valley, the crossroads into Sonoma Valley that Jack London acclaims in the Valley of the Moon–'This is called Bennett Valley. You cross a divide from it and come out at Glen Ellen. Now this is a mighty pretty valley, if anybody should ask you. An’ that’s some nifty mountain over there'...".


· Uboldi Vineyard:

The "Uboldi Vineyard" is located at 759 Lawndale Rd in the hilly edges of Kenwood. Although best known for growing Sauvignon Blanc, Turley Wine Cellars bottled at least one Alicante Bouschet from the site. I do not know whether additional grape varieties, like Zinfandel, are also cultivated on the site.
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The vine spacing in an older Zinfandel vineyard may provide insight into its date of origin. Obviously, this is an imperfect method but, in combination with other considerations, it might contribute in narrowing down when a site of uncertain age was first planted.


The David Fulton Winery website includes a timeline of the family's property:

"1865-1871: Becoming A Player"

"...Besides viticulture David Fulton had other endeavors: businessman, benefactor, trustee, inventor and town visionary. In 1870, utilizing skills as a blacksmith and the knowledge gained as owner of the town saddlery, he invented the Fulton Plow. Plows were used to carefully loosen soil around compacted vines. Fulton’s was affectionately described as the 'One-Horse Plow'. Until his invention vineyard rows had to be planted 12 feet apart to make room for two horses harnessed side by side. With one horse rows could be planted 8 feet apart allowing the planting of more vines per acre."


Obviously, plows of varying configurations were used in varying geographical areas throughout the years.

I have read elsewhere of old vineyards within close proximity to one another having different vine spacing. Also there exist differences in vine spacing between adjacent plots within a single old-vine parcel (indicating separate dates of planting).

In the roster of Lodi old vineyards, most sites seem to be 10x10, with at least one planted with spacing of 9x9.


I wonder if vine spacing has contributed in determining the age of a California Zinfandel vineyard?

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The Santa Rosa History website provides information from many newspapers, trade publications, and official government documents in its detailed analysis of regional history.


Internet Resources:
http://santarosahistory.com/wordpress/i ... resources/

"Historic Newspapers – Sonoma County

"Browse all Sonoma papers available at the California Digital Newspaper Collection or search the Press Democrat (1897-1922) /Santa Rosa Daily Democrat (1883-1890), Sonoma Democrat (1857-1886) and Healdsburg Tribune/Enterprise/ Scimitar (1888-1990)"


"...Visitors to any Sonoma County library branch and subscribers to newspapers.com can also search or browse the Petaluma Argus-Courier (1899-1949) and the Sonoma County Journal (1855-1864) as well as other historic Petaluma newspapers. The Press Democrat from 1923-1997 and the Santa Rosa Republican from 1904-1948 (both with gaps) are also available on newspapers.com, as is the Sebastopol Times from 1895 onward.


"Some additional years of the Petaluma papers can be found in the free Google newspaper archive. The Sonoma Index-Tribune is also searchable (although few results will be found due to the poor quality of the text scans) and articles can be purchased individually. It is also sometimes useful to search the Napa county newspapers."


History nerds have all of the above tools at their disposal to search for details about Sonoma wine history!

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Ken Zinns wrote: March 15th, 2018, 7:21 am
Drew Goin wrote:While just now reading Stephen Brook's The Wines of California (1999), I came across mention of an Arroyo Grande (Central Coast) Zinfandel planting allegedly from 1874.

The internet brought me to Saucelito Canyon's "1880" Zinfandel, which tells the same story.

https://www.saucelitocanyon.com/wines/1880_zinfandel

Why haven't I heard of this planting before? Sure, the wine is limited to clean members of the current winery only, but still...? :o
Saucelito Canyon has been around for a long time - they were a small but well-established label when I first visited Central Coast wineries in early 1992. They used to share a tasting room with Talley inside Talley's old historic El Rincón Adobe - well, they didn't exactly share a tasting room, Talley and Saucelito Canyon each had separate spots inside the small building even though there was generally only one person there to pour the wines from both labels. I've never tasted the "1880" Zin bottling - last time I stopped in at Saucelito Canyon (which now has its own tasting room in Edna Valley) all their Zin was still blended into their single estate bottling.
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#528 Post by Brian Tuite »

Drew Goin wrote: December 3rd, 2020, 6:36 pm

I wonder if vine spacing has contributed in determining the age of a California Zinfandel vineyard?
I’ve heard it was thought that some vineyards were planted by orchardists which would account for the spacing. Old Hill Ranch is planted 10 x 7 and Will said that it was for two-horse plows.
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Brian Tuite wrote: December 4th, 2020, 5:53 am
Drew Goin wrote: December 3rd, 2020, 6:36 pm
I wonder if vine spacing has contributed in determining the age of a California Zinfandel vineyard?

I’ve heard it was thought that some vineyards were planted by orchardists which would account for the spacing. Old Hill Ranch is planted 10 x 7 and Will said that it was for two-horse plows.

The original rows of Zinfandel at Puccioni Vineyards in Dry Creek AVA were planted with a single donkey pulling the plow. The old photos in the website's gallery reveal very closely spaced vines.

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Your comment about orchards (apples in Sonoma, plums in Santa Clara, etc.), whether predating or concurrent with vineyard plantings, reminds me of remarks from Mr Twain-Peterson and Mr Passalacqua about historical California viticulture. Wine grapes were not a monoculture in most cases - especially in Sonoma. If farmland was dedicated to more than one crop, it makes sense that trees and vines could occupy a common plot.

However, if you mean that farmers applied the same spacing practices utilized in their orchards when planting vineyards, that too seems intuitively sound. After all, it wasn't uncommon to use the fertile valley floor for tree fruits, wheat, etc, and to establish vineyards on the slopes of the nearby ridges...


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December 26, 2018

"...They had come from an area where grapes were traditionally grown on hillsides with the richer bottom lands reserved for more demanding crops. The climate and the rich clay soils reminded them of their native northern Italian homeland. So to make themselves feel even more at home they cleared the wooded slopes and planted their native vinifera grapes...".


Here's an opinion piece from a Sonoma farmer, grieving the loss of small farms to commercial development - surprisingly written only twenty years ago...


Metroactive Archives: Sonoma County Independent
"Dispatch from the Farm Front: One Farmer's Views on the Demise of the North Bay's Agricultural Heritage"
by Shepherd Bliss
August 17, 2000


"...I used to enjoy driving around, especially in the west county with its scenic, diverse beauty. Now I feel nature receding, as huge houses and regimented, precise vineyards replace forests and orchards. I never know when I am going to turn a familiar corner and see some new industrial vineyard or starter castle. A sense of loss gnaws at me. Being surrounded by trees is inspiring, but all the building in the county saddens me.

"...Sonoma County's sense of place is changing, rapidly and dramatically, but not for the better. The natural environment here historically has been diverse--rugged coast, redwoods and oaks, rolling hills, rich soils, ample rain. Into that came an agriculture that developed a rural culture around it. Both the original natural environment and the rural legacy are now threatened, especially by the high-tech onslaught and the wine monoculture...".


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After reading a recent article in Wine and Spirits magazine, I became confused about the identity of the "Von Weidlich Vineyard" (formerly known as the "Lemorel Vineyard") in relation to the ancient "Morelli Lane Vineyard".

For several years, I believed that the "Von Weidlich" and the "Morreli Lane" vineyards were each once a portion of a larger Zinfandel planting which, at some point in the prior century, had been divided up. Apparently, the "Von Weidlich" vines are not as old as I once had thought. I do not mean anything derisive by saying this.

To compound my befuddled state of mind, I distinctly recall there being individual profiles for each site on the Historic Vineyard Society website. Neither vineyard is found on the roster today, although both appear (with partial descriptions) if a Google search is performed - "historic vineyard society von weidlich" or "historic vineyard society morelli lane".

Has anyone else read the Wine and Spirits article?


Wine and Spirits
"Far-Coast Zin: A Fresh Turn for California's Signature Variety"

by Elaine Chukan Brown
June 2020

"...From 2002 to 2007, Sussman made wine from several blocks of old-vine zinfandel planted by the Morellis and Robert Von Weidlich, the subsequent owner, across a mix of decades; he bottled it as Radio-Coteau Von Weidlich Zinfandel. Then, when he purchased the property in 2012, he decided to call the wine Lemorel, after the original winery on the site. It’s mainly made up of fruit from the 1946 Morelli block but in some vintages, like the 2016, it includes a bit of fruit from the 1981 Von Weidlich block...".


General History:

· Prince of Pinot website
"Riddle Ranch Vineyard: An Historical Pinot-Loving Property"

"Riddle Vineyard and the older Morelli Lane Vineyard next door are part of the property that Guiseppe 'Joe' Morelli, Sr. acquired in 1892. Joe was born on the eastern shore of Lake Como in the town of Lierna, Italy.

"...After ten years away from his family back home in Switzerland, Joe sent for his eldest son, Joe Morelli, Jr.. By 1892, the family had saved $3,100 to buy an 80-acre parcel of land on what is now Morelli Lane. From 1892 to 1900, the farmland was cleared of oak and redwoods and a vineyard was planted. To accommodate an expanding family, two homes, built entirely of redwood, were built on the property. A three-story winery was constructed just north of the main house along with a cow barn. In about 1912, a large wine cellar was added underneath the main house.

"In order to plant more vineyard, in 1906 the Morelli’s bought a 43-acre parcel located on Harrison Grade Road, about a mile away from the main ranch right across from what is now Heintz Vineyard. A large house and winery were built on this property in 1908. In January, 1910, the Morelli property was apportioned among three sons by drawing straws. The 43-acre parcel was drawn by Lee Morelli, while Joe Jr. and Tony Morelli each received half of the original 80-acre parcel where Riddle Vineyard and Morelli Lane Vineyard now sit. The Morelli Lane Vineyard, revived by the Duttons in 1995 is now farmed by Dutton Ranch...".


"Von Weidlich / Lemorel Vineyard"

· Radio-Coteau website
Estate Vineyard:

"Property History:

"In summer of 2012, Radio-Coteau acquired an historic 42-acre Estate vineyard and ranch located on a ridgetop above the town of Occidental. Originally named Joseph Morelli & Sons before Prohibition, the Lemorel winery (as it was later known) dates back to 1892, when the first vines were planted. Situated 800 feet above sea level, the property is a diverse agroecosystem settled on prized Goldridge soil. We continue to maintain the established blocks of Syrah and old-vine dry-farmed Zinfandel, and recently replanted existing acreage to Pinot Noir and Chardonnay.

"Eric’s own history with the property dates back to the early 2000s. While scouting vineyard sites for the first Radio-Coteau vintage, one interest lay in old dry-farmed Zinfandel, unique in California. He met and began a relationship with Robert Von Weidlich, the owner of the property at that time. The 2002 Radio-Coteau Von Weidlich Zinfandel was the first product of that collaboration."

· Wine Berserkers forum "Whatever happened to - - - TN: 2004 Radio-Coteau Zinfandel Von Weidlich" thread


"Morelli Lane Vineyard"

· Dutton-Goldfield website "Vineyards": "Morelli Lane Vineyard"

"Morelli Lane is a vineyard planted to three distinctive varietals: Zinfandel, Chardonnay and Pinot Noir. It lies just north of the town of Occidental in the Russian River Valley.

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"The ancient Zinfandel vineyard amounts to only 1.8 acres. It took a good bit of work by Steve Dutton and his crews to bring this vineyard back to life. But the effort is well worth the grapes it produces. The Morelli Lane grapes deliver deeply colored wine. The wine is lush and balanced from the moment it begins to ferment. Only a tiny amount of wine can be made from this vineyard...".


Dutton-Goldfield YouTube video:
"Steve Dutton Talks about our Morelli Lane Zinfandel Vineyard"

April 11, 2017




· The Roads Traveled
"Boots and Brunch in a Russian River Valley Vineyard"

August 31, 2015

"...The Morelli family, Italian immigrants who owned the property in the late 1800s and into the 20th century, made wine and dried meats in the basement of the white, 1924-era farmhouse at the end of the driveway, the starting point for out tour. Some of the hooks and strings the Morellis used to hang sausages from the ceiling beams are still in place, small remnants of a bygone era. Nowadays Dutton-Goldfield produces pinot noir, chardonnay, syrah, zinfandel, riesling, pinot blanc, and gewürztraminer...".

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The "Casa Santinamaria Vineyard" is once again a single-vineyard designated Zinfandel bottling for Random Ridge. This winery kinda fell off the map for a few years, and I was honestly surprised to see a relatively new vintage being offered.


Random Ridge 2017 "Old Wave":

"Italian-style field blend Zinfandel with small amounts of Petite Syrah. 100+ year old vines from the legendary Casa Santamaria vineyard on the western edge of the Sonoma Valley at the base of Sonoma Mountain. The vines are head-trained and dry-farmed. The wine is spicy, lush, and fruit-forward, with delicious notes of cherry, framboise, white pepper, and vanilla."


"Casa Santinamaria" (aka "Maggie's Vineyard"), is located just on the western boundary of Sonoma township (corner of Boyes & Arnold). It has an unusual proportion of white varieties, interspersed with Zinfandel, Carignan, PS, and a few other red grapes.

Historic Vineyard Society profile: "Casa Santinamaria"


Random Ridge website:
https://www.randomridge.com

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Apparently Williams-Selyem is diversifying its selections. While Zinfandel has been a part of the winery's Pinot Noir-centric line-up since the beginning, the operation recently increased its Zin offerings from Sonoma County's Russian River Valley. The "Saitone Vineyard" was purchased by the winery a few years ago as well.

Now, Williams-Selyem is offering a "Fanucchi-Wood Road Vineyard" Zinfandel. In the following video, positioned at the 1:11:22 mark, the winemaker Jeff Mangahas explains the neighborhood's historic practice of interplanting grape varieties, the soil and climatic characteristics, etc:


Williams-Selyem YouTube video:
"Spring 2021 Release Virtual Preview"

Excerpt: 1:11:22 "Fanucchi-Wood Road Vineyard" Details



Can YOU name the other 6 old-vine Zinfandel plantings in the Wood Road area?


Williams-Selyem website:
https://www.williamsselyem.com/

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#533 Post by Drew Goin »

I found a couple of resources related to historic California viticulture:

· Demystifying the Vine website:

"Grape Anatomy - Old Vines"
- Old Vines of California

https://demystifyingthevine.com/the-gra ... /old-vine/


· Sonoma County Official Website

Historic Resources: Sonoma County History

https://sonomacounty.ca.gov/PRMD/Planni ... y-History/

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What a fantastic list and thread. I joined the Williams Selyem list a couple of years ago and I am dying to get a Bacigalupi offer.

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#535 Post by Jeff_M. »

Drew Goin wrote: February 3rd, 2018, 8:42 am Is the Beeson Vineyard, subject of a vineyard-designated bottling from Dry Creek Vineyards, NOT an old-vine site?
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Drew Goin wrote: December 27th, 2020, 12:30 pm The "Casa Santinamaria Vineyard" is once again a single-vineyard designated Zinfandel bottling for Random Ridge. This winery kinda fell off the map for a few years, and I was honestly surprised to see a relatively new vintage being offered.

Random Ridge 2017 "Old Wave":

"Italian-style field blend Zinfandel with small amounts of Petite Syrah. 100+ year old vines from the legendary Casa Santamaria vineyard on the western edge of the Sonoma Valley at the base of Sonoma Mountain. The vines are head-trained and dry-farmed. The wine is spicy, lush, and fruit-forward, with delicious notes of cherry, framboise, white pepper, and vanilla."

"Casa Santinamaria" (aka "Maggie's Vineyard"), is located just on the western boundary of Sonoma township (corner of Boyes & Arnold). It has an unusual proportion of white varieties, interspersed with Zinfandel, Carignan, PS, and a few other red grapes.

Historic Vineyard Society profile: "Casa Santinamaria"

Random Ridge website:
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#537 Post by Brian Tuite »

Drew Goin wrote: February 5th, 2021, 1:29 am
Can YOU name the other 6 old-vine Zinfandel plantings in the Wood Road area?
Almost...
Other than Fannuchi - Rue, Chelli, Hartford, Belloni, Arata
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#538 Post by ClydeUnderwood »

Brian Tuite wrote: February 19th, 2021, 5:46 am
Drew Goin wrote: February 5th, 2021, 1:29 am
Can YOU name the other 6 old-vine Zinfandel plantings in the Wood Road area?
Almost...
Other than Fannuchi - Rue, Chelli, Hartford, Belloni, Arata
Perhaps one could make a case for counting Gus Gamba's vineyard over on Woolsey Rd?

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#539 Post by Brian Tuite »

ClydeUnderwood wrote: February 19th, 2021, 10:31 pm
Brian Tuite wrote: February 19th, 2021, 5:46 am
Drew Goin wrote: February 5th, 2021, 1:29 am
Can YOU name the other 6 old-vine Zinfandel plantings in the Wood Road area?
Almost...
Other than Fannuchi - Rue, Chelli, Hartford, Belloni, Arata
Perhaps one could make a case for counting Gus Gamba's vineyard over on Woolsey Rd?
Then you might as well add Martinelli right? I think that’s a completely different area up on a knoll from Wood Rd. Maybe Drew can chime in.
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Shot a few pics of Maggie's Vineyard today on the way back from the Bedrock pickup.
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ClydeUnderwood wrote: March 14th, 2021, 12:01 am Shot a few pics of Maggie's Vineyard today on the way back from the Bedrock pickup.
Cool vineyard, where exactly is this?
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Southwest of the intersection of Boyes Blvd and Arnold Drive (and south a bit, they plopped houses into the middle of it).
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To add on a bit about "Maggie's Vineyard" (aka "Casa Santinamaria"):


The Drunken Cyclist
"Even More Legendary Zinfandel Vineyards"

by Jeff Kralik
July 29, 2020


"Back in February, I wrote an article for ZAP, the Zinfandel Advocates and Producers, and I interviewed several people about what exactly makes a vineyard 'legendary'.

"Based on these conversations and a bit for research, first and foremost, the vineyard needs to have a bit of a history of producing great fruit that leads to fantastic wines. Second, legendary Zinfandel vineyards tend to be old (another adjective that needs a bit of unpacking since it can refer to vineyards planted any time during the last century).

"Last, there needs to be some demand for the fruit that is produced by the vineyard, but that is also a bit fraught with complexity since some legendary vineyards are either wholly-owned or sourced by a single winery...

"2018 Rock Wall Wine Co. Zinfandel Reserve Zinfandel Maggie’s Vineyard, Sonoma County, CA: Kent Rosenblum, a legendary figure in California Zinfandel, leased Maggie’s Vineyard in the Spring of 2018, excited about the fruit produced by the vineyard planted in 1901. Sadly, Mr. Rosenblum died a mere six weeks before harvest that year. Thus, the harvest, vinification, and certainly grief, fell on the shoulders of his daughter Shauna Rosenblum. The fact that she sent this wine out to me for review was moving enough, but then I tasted the wine. Regardless of the backstory, whoa. Shauna intimated that she aims for a more reserved Zin (probably more so than her father) and thus picks the fruit at lower Brix and lower pH. The result? Whoa...".


The following blog entry discusses an online meet-up hosted on ZAP's Facebook page. One of the three winemakers who participated was Ms Shauna Rosenblum. She related the experience of working in the vines at "Maggie's Vineyard" in 2018. As I am unable to provide a functioning link to the livestream, I am including the following blog article.

Should you wish to view the ZAP Facebook streamed tasting/Q&A, you must access the Zinfandel Advocates & Producers Facebook page, and select the July 16, 2020, livestream entitled "Legendary Zinfandel Vineyards". The discussion focuses on "Maggie's Vineyard" around the 18-minute mark. Good luck!


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"Rock Wall Wine Co. 2018 Maggie's Zinfandel: 'Did She Just Say Grilled Avocado'?"

by Dezel Quillen
August 10, 2020


Some extra information about "Maggie's Vineyard" and the old vineyards on the Western edge of Sonoma township:

· Historic Vineyard Society profile: "Casa Santinamaria"/"Maggie's Vineyard"

· Adjacent to "Maggie's Vineyard" is a tiny plot of Alicante Bouschet, Valdigue, and Mourvèdre, with only 23 surviving vines, on Liquid Amber Road. The grapes go into Source & Sink's wines.

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I should have guessed that Williams Selyem would fire off another YouTube video highlighting its ancient viticultural holding - the esteemed "Saitone Vineyard", planted in 1895 and located in the Santa Rosa Plains area of Sonoma's Russian River Valley.

According to the following webinar, the winery is now producing two new "Saitone" bottlings, in addition to its Zinfandel and Carignan varietals. Named for the original vineyard owners (Antonio and Maria, respectively), a red and a white field blend are being offered exclusively to visitors of the "Saitone Vineyard":


Williams-Selyem YouTube webinar:
"Saitone Vineyard New Releases"

March 18, 2021

*Session starts at 4:34*



· 17:13 mark: "Maria's Field Blend" White Wine: Palomino, Muscadelle, and Muscat

· 22:48 mark: "Antonio's Field Blend" Red Wine: Alicante Bouschet, Grand Noir, Zinfandel

· 35:35 mark: "Saitone Vineyard" Carignan

· 40:50 mark: "Saitone Vineyard" Zinfandel


Williams-Selyem website:
https://www.williamsselyem.com/

Historic Vineyard Society website profile: "Saitone Vineyard":
https://historicvineyardsociety.org/vineyard/saitone


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"Williams Selyem Buys Historic Zinfandel Vineyard"

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August 9, 2016

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#545 Post by M. Dildine »

Saitone is an exceptional vineyard - really beautiful red fruit. Right in the heart of the Piner Olivet RRV sweet spot.

The Williams-Selyem tour of the vineyard is highly recommended.
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The Wine Women nonprofit organization has a website that includes two interview sessions with famous Zinfandel wine industry professionals:


Wine Women blog
ZAP! Pt 1: Brenae Royal & Brennan Stover"

by Marcia Macomber

Interviewer: Lisa Adams Walter
Show date: February 14, 2020
Interview Link: https://radiomisfits.com/ww32/


"Wine Women Radio goes to ZAP! We had the pleasure of sitting down with some of the best viticulturists and vineyard managers who oversee the farming and care of 1000s of acres of zinfandel vines throughout California. On this show we meet Brenae Royal, vineyard manager of the famed and historic Monte Rosso, above Sonoma Valley in the Moon Mountain District, and Brennan Stover, vineyard manager at Turley Wine Cellars in Paso Robles, overseeing ancient vines in challenging growing conditions...".

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Wine Women blog
"ZAP! Pt 2: David Gates & Jake Neustadt"

by Marcia Macomber

Interviewer:
Show date: February 21, 2020
Interview Link: https://radiomisfits.com/ww33/


"...Tune in to learn about Ridge’s Croatian 'Pribidrag', part of Zinfandel’s long history. We also got to hear David’s take on climate change, developments in sustainable, and organic farming, and what he’s learned from his younger colleagues. David’s enthusiasm for learning from recent UC Davis graduates under his supervision was reflected in the stories we heard from his many past and present viticulture colleagues whom we got to meet and interview at ZAP!—including our next guest: Jake Neustadt, Viticulturalist and Vineyard Manager at Bedrock Wine Co.

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https://winewomen.net/
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The remaining two sessions from Wine Women's ZAP! interviews, plus a bonus HVS podcast:


Wine Women blog
"ZAP! Pt 3: Kyle Lerner, Harney Lane"

by Marcia Macomber


Show date: February 28, 2020
Podcast link: https://radiomisfits.com/ww34/


Wine Women blog
"ZAP! Pt 4: Joel Peterson, Once and Future Wine Co."

by Marcia Macomber


Show date: March 6, 2020
Podcast link: https://radiomisfits.com/ww35/

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"Historical Vineyard Society at Sonoma’s Best"

Podcast Link: https://radiomisfits.com/ww23/


7:30 – Lynn Wheeler, Winemaker, Edith & Ida
17:00 – Emily Rasmussen, Historical Vineyard Society
26:00 – Joel Peterson, Once & Future Wine
39:00 – Andrew Nalle, Vintner/Winemaker, Nalle WInery
50:00 – Christopher Sawyer, Sommelier
1:06 – Mike Officer, Vintner/Winemaker, Carlisle Winery
1:15 – Todd Jolly, Wine Director, Sonoma’s Best
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The Zinfandel Advocates and Producers (ZAP!) organization has launched a new online tool for travelers planning visits to culturally important Zinfandel vineyards across California:


The Zinfandel Trail website:
https://zinfandeltrail.com/trail-map/


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"Zinfandel Advocates & Producers Launches The California Zinfandel Trail"


"...GRASS VALLEY, Calif., Mar. 25, 2021 /PRNewswire-PRWeb/ --

"Zinfandel Advocates and Producers (ZAP) is announcing that it will officially launch The California Zinfandel Trail starting March 29, 2021. Zinfandel lovers and the Zinfandel-curious will now have a powerful new tool to explore wineries and plan custom itineraries. This new platform is designed to boost tourism and raise interest in wineries that produce America's time-honored heritage wine, Zinfandel.

"'Consumers and wineries alike will benefit from this fast track connection directly to Zinfandel winemakers, featuring small production artisanal wines that are available to consumers only by visiting the winery in person or virtually,' according to ZAP Executive Director, Rebecca Robinson. 'So many of these wines are from historic vineyards and come with wonderful, colorful family stories that are the fabric of American agricultural heritage,' she continues.

"Mindful of travel restrictions due to the COVID 19 pandemic, virtual visits and tastings have been made available, in addition to the traditional in-person winery tastings and experiences. Visitors should contact wineries in advance about their latest visiting policies and experiences.

"The Zinfandel Trail website includes an easy to use interactive map of California's Zinfandel wineries for plotting and planning itineraries to vineyards across California. Here, visitors can explore Zinfandel winery experiences by region, such as vineyard and winery tours, specialized tastings, picnicking, food service, and pet-friendly policies. In addition to winery listings are featured winery to winery routes with beautiful Zinfandel vineyard images, regional travel blogs, points of interest, and winemaker stories.

"In addition to the California Zinfandel Trail mapping website, ZAP is also creating virtual tours and tastings offered for sale to those wanting to sniff, swirl, and sip while enjoying a themed tour on Zoom hosted by travel experts. The first three-part series will begin in late April with a tour of Sonoma Valley, followed in May by sessions on Women in Wine, and, in June, Vineyard Tours.


Virtual Tour dates:

· 'Sonoma Valley Zinfandel Tour'
Thursday, April 29, 2021 – 4:00 p.m. PDT

HOST: Tim Zahner, Executive Director, Sonoma Valley Visitors Bureau


· 'Women in Wine Zinfandel Tour'
Thursday, May 27, 2021 – 4:00 p.m. PDT

"HOST: Lauren Mowery, Travel Editor, Wine Enthusiast Magazine


· 'Zinfandel Vineyard Tours'
Thursday, June 24, 2021 – 4:00 p.m. PDT

HOST: Paul Rubio, award-winning travel journalist AFAR, Conde Nast Traveler, and more


"The virtual sessions will provide photographic essays, interactive discussion, and in-depth guided tastings from three wineries based on each theme - the next best thing to visiting the wineries and vineyards in person.

"Visit zinfandeltrail.com to learn more about the virtual sessions and secure your spot...".


Zinfandel Advocates and Producers (ZAP!) website:
https://zinfandel.org/

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Drew Goin wrote: February 5th, 2021, 1:29 am
Can YOU name the other 6 old-vine Zinfandel plantings in the Wood Road area?
Brian Tuite wrote: February 20th, 2021, 5:36 am
ClydeUnderwood wrote: February 19th, 2021, 10:31 pm
Brian Tuite wrote: February 19th, 2021, 5:46 am
Almost...
Other than Fannuchi - Rue, Chelli, Hartford, Belloni, Arata
Perhaps one could make a case for counting Gus Gamba's vineyard over on Woolsey Rd?
Then you might as well add Martinelli right? I think that’s a completely different area up on a knoll from Wood Rd. Maybe Drew can chime in.

I posted the question semi-jokingly (referencing the Williams-Selyem video in my post). Mr Mangahas states, in his introduction of the "Fannuchi-Wood Rd Vineyard" Zin, that there are six other old Zinfandel plantings around Wood Rd.

In the video, he never actually names the vineyards that he specifically had in mind. Thus, know-it-all Drew began to compile a mental roster of at least 9 other vineyards (moving South from Wood Rd towards Guerneville Rd). I failed to really listen carefully to the qualifiers in his original statement.
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Thus I presumed that other enthusiasts would end up tallying half of the old Zin plantings in the RRV if left unchecked. Sorry for leaving y'all hanging...


Here's the full context of Mr Mangahas' count:

· There are "6 other really famous vineyards" ON Wood Rd (turning right off of Fulton Rd, if heading South from Fulton, CA, past River Rd);

· Mr Mangahas made wine from 4 of the other sites while employed as winemaker at Hartford.


So...excluding "Fannucchi-Wood Road" from the count, there are 6 really famous old vineyards on Wood Road.

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#550 Post by Brian Tuite »

Drew Goin wrote: April 5th, 2021, 1:24 am
Drew Goin wrote: February 5th, 2021, 1:29 am
Can YOU name the other 6 old-vine Zinfandel plantings in the Wood Road area?
Brian Tuite wrote: February 20th, 2021, 5:36 am
ClydeUnderwood wrote: February 19th, 2021, 10:31 pm

Perhaps one could make a case for counting Gus Gamba's vineyard over on Woolsey Rd?
Then you might as well add Martinelli right? I think that’s a completely different area up on a knoll from Wood Rd. Maybe Drew can chime in.

I posted the question semi-jokingly (referencing the Williams-Selyem video in my post). Mr Mangahas states, in his introduction of the "Fannuchi-Wood Rd Vineyard" Zin, that there are six other old Zinfandel plantings around Wood Rd.

In the video, he never actually names the vineyards that he specifically had in mind. Thus, know-it-all Drew began to compile a mental roster of at least 9 other vineyards (moving South from Wood Rd towards Guerneville Rd). I failed to really listen carefully to the qualifiers in his original statement.
pileon

Thus I presumed that other enthusiasts would end up tallying half of the old Zin plantings in the RRV if left unchecked. Sorry for leaving y'all hanging...


Here's the full context of Mr Mangahas' count:

· There are "6 other really famous vineyards" ON Wood Rd (turning right off of Fulton Rd, if heading South from Fulton, CA, past River Rd);

· Mr Mangahas made wine from 4 of the other sites while employed as winemaker at Hartford.


So...excluding "Fannucchi-Wood Road" from the count, there are 6 really famous old vineyards on Wood Road.
Then the other is Highwire. My brain kept telling me that it was in Piner as part of Papera but it’s really on Wood Rd as a former part of Chelli/Fannuchi which run in succession. I was confusing it with Hartford Vineyard.
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