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Always running low on Chardonnay...any reccs for an 'in between'?

#1 Post by Todd F r e n c h »

With the nationwide heat wave, our seemingly continuous lack of Chardonnay is becoming evident. Unfortunately my wife isn't into Oregon Chardonnay like I am, still preferring RRV/Carneros for the most part, as it is more unctuous, richer than the crisp, flinty Oregon Chardonnay I love so much.

Many might remember my 2019 'New Years Wine Resolution' to buy more Chardonnay, and I have...but my cellar still consists of 84% red wine, 16% white (and not all Chardonnay, of course).

We both used to like Dehlinger, but now that I've gone to the dark side of Willamette Valley, I find it tiresome and fat. Damn tastes changing! Another my wife likes is the single vineyard Patz & Hall Chardonnays, and Hartford Court - both of which now are in the camp as Dehlinger now finds itself.

Any reccs for something in the middle of the two? Something with more energy and acidity for me, but also the richness for my wife's tastes?
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#2 Post by Glen Gold »

William Kelley tipped Instagram followers off to Alfaro Trout Gulch. To my palate, and more importantly my girlfriend's, this walks the line you're talking about.
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#3 Post by Todd F r e n c h »

Glen Gold wrote: June 16th, 2021, 8:34 am William Kelley tipped Instagram followers off to Alfaro Trout Gulch. To my palate, and more importantly my girlfriend's, this walks the line you're talking about.
On it, thanks - we'll see, as my wife is picky (except about husbands, where there she obviously settles easily)
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#4 Post by D@vid Bu3ker »

Ramey Fort Ross/Seaview (formerly known as Sonoma Coast)
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#5 Post by Todd F r e n c h »

D@vid Bu3ker wrote: June 16th, 2021, 8:47 am Ramey Fort Ross/Seaview (formerly known as Sonoma Coast)
Yeah, I almost wrote that I was going to seek out Ramey, particularly Sonoma Coast (thanks for the tip on Fort Ross/Seaview), as it's been years since I had it but always used to enjoy it. Fortunately that's widely available so I can pick that up at grocery stores and the like
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#6 Post by D@vid Bu3ker »

Todd F r e n c h wrote: June 16th, 2021, 8:50 am
D@vid Bu3ker wrote: June 16th, 2021, 8:47 am Ramey Fort Ross/Seaview (formerly known as Sonoma Coast)
Yeah, I almost wrote that I was going to seek out Ramey, particularly Sonoma Coast (thanks for the tip on Fort Ross/Seaview), as it's been years since I had it but always used to enjoy it. Fortunately that's widely available so I can pick that up at grocery stores and the like
The Ramey RRV bottling is usually a touch richer to my palate, and may thread the needle for your wife.
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#7 Post by Todd F r e n c h »

D@vid Bu3ker wrote: June 16th, 2021, 8:56 am
Todd F r e n c h wrote: June 16th, 2021, 8:50 am
D@vid Bu3ker wrote: June 16th, 2021, 8:47 am Ramey Fort Ross/Seaview (formerly known as Sonoma Coast)
Yeah, I almost wrote that I was going to seek out Ramey, particularly Sonoma Coast (thanks for the tip on Fort Ross/Seaview), as it's been years since I had it but always used to enjoy it. Fortunately that's widely available so I can pick that up at grocery stores and the like
The Ramey RRV bottling is usually a touch richer to my palate, and may thread the needle for your wife.
Dehlinger was as rich as I could go, now it's far too rich for my palate, and the Patz & Halls same thing - not enough of that bracing, energetic acidity that keeps it interesting to me. Definitely will pick up some Ramey and give it another go, thanks. Always loved it, no clue why I stopped buying it
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#8 Post by Brian Tuite »

Rivera Marie fits that bill nicely.
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#9 Post by Blake Brown »

Todd, a recent exposure to the 2018 Croix 12 Rows Ritchie Vineyard RRV Chardonnay made by Kirk Venge may be a tweener that works. It certainly has lots of bright acidity and loads for energy.
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#10 Post by T y l e r Z »

This may sound odd but... Antinori Bramito fits this need pretty well.

Is it going hold your interest for the evening? Probably not. But it rides a great line between weight and acidity. Not a fruit bomb, great energy, and just enough roundness for a malo lover. It's always been crowd-pleasing for anyone on the Chard spectrum in our house.
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#11 Post by J. Rock »

Liquid Farm Golden Slope? I find it to be decently big/rich, but not overdone and with nice acidity. I don't drink OR Chardonnay though, so maybe my opinion is relative to very rich CA Chardonnays.
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#12 Post by James Cross »

I joined the Landmark "chardonnay only" club for just this reason. Virtually no mention of them on this board, but they are nice B/B+ wines and won't break the bank as week night drinkers. I'm going to have one tonight with the seasonably mild temps in Las Vegas at 115, which is perfect hockey weather. I was doing Hartford for a while when I could get them on sale. Landmark makes a number of chards across the spectrum. The basic wines (Overlook and Damaris) are surprisingly good.

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#13 Post by Richard Foxall »

I just came here to see if anyone said, "Drink some other white wine." Guess I might have to be that guy!

But also maybe you can drink some sparkling wines to expand your hot weather choices, maybe a toastier blanc de blancs. That might make everyone happy.

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#15 Post by Ben M a n d l e r »

Flowers, Hirsch, Peay? I find a lot of that true Sonoma Coast stuff out there in the mountains to slot nicely between rich and stony.
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#16 Post by Todd F r e n c h »

J. Rock wrote: June 16th, 2021, 9:18 am Liquid Farm Golden Slope? I find it to be decently big/rich, but not overdone and with nice acidity. I don't drink OR Chardonnay though, so maybe my opinion is relative to very rich CA Chardonnays.
Interesting - that could work, Jen loves the stuff
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#17 Post by Jim Stewart »

We recently enjoyed a 2016 Grgich Hills Estate Napa. Excellent wine in mid-30's and it may be something that offers the chardonnay middle ground that you are looking for.
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Try my Grenache Blanc - it'll do the trick . . .

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Every single vineyard Kumeu River Chardonnay I've had has over-delivered. I did not care for their entry level "Village" bottling.
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larry schaffer wrote: June 16th, 2021, 10:07 am Try my Grenache Blanc - it'll do the trick . . .

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#21 Post by M. Dildine »

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#22 Post by Todd F r e n c h »

larry schaffer wrote: June 16th, 2021, 10:07 am Try my Grenache Blanc - it'll do the trick . . .

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#23 Post by larry schaffer »

D@vid Bu3ker wrote: June 16th, 2021, 10:12 am
larry schaffer wrote: June 16th, 2021, 10:07 am Try my Grenache Blanc - it'll do the trick . . .

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I was thinking the Roussanne.
My Grenache Blanc has more acidity to please Todd . . .
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#24 Post by larry schaffer »

Todd F r e n c h wrote: June 16th, 2021, 10:23 am
larry schaffer wrote: June 16th, 2021, 10:07 am Try my Grenache Blanc - it'll do the trick . . .

Cheers
Your best wine, has been for years, in my opinion...however, Jen doesn't like ANY whites other than Chardonnay. Frustrating, so many wonderful varieties out there!
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Serve it to her blind - you'd be surprised . . .

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#25 Post by Brian G r a f s t r o m »

larry schaffer wrote: June 16th, 2021, 10:30 am
Todd F r e n c h wrote: June 16th, 2021, 10:23 am
larry schaffer wrote: June 16th, 2021, 10:07 am Try my Grenache Blanc - it'll do the trick . . .

Cheers
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Serve it to her blind - you'd be surprised . . .

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#26 Post by M. Dildine »

Todd F r e n c h wrote: June 16th, 2021, 10:23 am
larry schaffer wrote: June 16th, 2021, 10:07 am Try my Grenache Blanc - it'll do the trick . . .

Cheers
Your best wine, has been for years, in my opinion...however, Jen doesn't like ANY whites other than Chardonnay. Frustrating, so many wonderful varieties out there!
My wife is a lot like that. She loves what she likes (rich, round Zin and Pinot) but her range is narrow. With whites, she likes Chardonnay (including Ian's) and also Riesling (loves Desire Lines and Bedrock) and some Sauvignon Blanc (she likes a Monterey restaurant wine also made by Ian called "Swing." She surprised me by really liking dry Martinelli "Jackass Hill" Muscat and Bucklin Old Hill Mixed Whites. I use Larry's trick, I just pour it for her blind. She let's me know if it passes muster.
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#27 Post by Chris Seiber »

Todd F r e n c h wrote: June 16th, 2021, 10:23 am
larry schaffer wrote: June 16th, 2021, 10:07 am Try my Grenache Blanc - it'll do the trick . . .

Cheers
Your best wine, has been for years, in my opinion...however, Jen doesn't like ANY whites other than Chardonnay. Frustrating, so many wonderful varieties out there!
The variety that seems to be broadly liked including by non-geeks when served to them, is reasonably available and priced, and is hard to discern from chardonnay in blind tastings is chenin blanc.

I know people will harumph about how Loire chenin could never be confused for chardonnay, but in blind tasting after blind tasting involving highly experienced tasters, people get that wrong all the time.

Maybe for this purpose, a bit fuller Loire chenin (Sec) from Huet or Chidaine?
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#28 Post by Cris Whetstone »

Have you tried Jen on Raveneau?
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#29 Post by M. Dildine »

Chris Seiber wrote: June 16th, 2021, 10:52 am
Todd F r e n c h wrote: June 16th, 2021, 10:23 am
larry schaffer wrote: June 16th, 2021, 10:07 am Try my Grenache Blanc - it'll do the trick . . .

Cheers
Your best wine, has been for years, in my opinion...however, Jen doesn't like ANY whites other than Chardonnay. Frustrating, so many wonderful varieties out there!
The variety that seems to be broadly liked including by non-geeks when served to them, is reasonably available and priced, and is hard to discern from chardonnay in blind tastings is chenin blanc.

I know people will harumph about how Loire chenin could never be confused for chardonnay, but in blind tasting after blind tasting involving highly experienced tasters, people get that wrong all the time.

Maybe for this purpose, a bit fuller Loire chenin (Sec) from Huet or Chidaine?
Good one. My wine loves the Chenins made by Sandlands and Rhys.
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#30 Post by RyanC »

Leflaive or Ramonet or Sauzet Batard Montrachet would fit the bill!

Assuming you want to spend less than $700/btl, Ramey is the first producer that comes to mind.
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#31 Post by Todd F r e n c h »

She is a bit of a 'regionalist', too - no Oregon, no France, no South Africa...California only, baby! This is a long-term process, getting her away from the buttery garbage she first loved. I like the suggestions above and have purchased several of them already to give a go
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#32 Post by Chris Seiber »

Have you two tried Ladd? Very good quality and QPR, plus Eric's a great guy, WBer and BDer. I'm not sure which of his offerings might be more in this intermediate style you're seeking, but Eric could probably tell you.

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#33 Post by M. Dildine »

Todd F r e n c h wrote: June 16th, 2021, 11:02 amCalifornia only, baby!
My wife too. Really turns her nose up at France in particular. Just one more reason to love her! flirtysmile
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#34 Post by Glen Gold »

My girlfriend is open to exploring, but has has stopped me dead a couple of times with, "Is this going to be a wine you have to explain to me?"
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#35 Post by dsimmons »

Try Walter Hansel. She will probably like it better than you will.

Another solution might be to open two bottles... especially on those really hot afternoons. [drinkers.gif]

You should also try the Rhone whites per Larry's suggestion. Great crispness and minerality at half the price of Chardonnay.
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#36 Post by Merrill Lindquist »

I am not really following the requirements. here, but I have never served a Ceritas to anyone who did not just love it.
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#37 Post by K Kl@dder »

We dislike most chardonnay's, but only two we can consistently enjoy are Montelena and Matthiason
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#38 Post by M. Dildine »

Merrill Lindquist wrote: June 16th, 2021, 11:16 am I am not really following the requirements. here, but I have never served a Ceritas to anyone who did not just love it.
A bit too flinty, dry, minerally for my wife. She has more of a RRV palate as opposed to Sonoma Coast, SCM.
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Re: Always running low on Chardonnay...any reccs for an 'in between'?

#39 Post by J.Vizuete »

From most "Burgundian" to least:
1. I put Littorai in a special category of Sonoma Coast chard. Not exactly cheap but I can strongly recommend
2. Radio Coteau has become a house favorite for chards and my wife is in a similar narrow category that you describe (although she adores white burgs)
3. We go through a half case of Teeter Totter (Benoit Toquette's) chardonnay every summer as a house wine. Its rather tropical but with balanced acidity, and pretty lush - a crowd pleaser
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Chris Seiber wrote: June 16th, 2021, 11:09 am Have you two tried Ladd? Very good quality and QPR, plus Eric's a great guy, WBer and BDer. I'm not sure which of his offerings might be more in this intermediate style you're seeking, but Eric could probably tell you.

And they're from California.
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D@vid Bu3ker wrote: June 16th, 2021, 8:47 am Ramey Fort Ross/Seaview (formerly known as Sonoma Coast)
Martinelli owned single vineyard from Ramey for $40 is a pretty killer deal. Very good wine the the $.

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Todd F r e n c h wrote: June 16th, 2021, 8:26 am With the nationwide heat wave, our seemingly continuous lack of Chardonnay is becoming evident. Unfortunately my wife isn't into Oregon Chardonnay like I am, still preferring RRV/Carneros for the most part, as it is more unctuous, richer than the crisp, flinty Oregon Chardonnay I love so much.

Many might remember my 2019 'New Years Wine Resolution' to buy more Chardonnay, and I have...but my cellar still consists of 84% red wine, 16% white (and not all Chardonnay, of course).

We both used to like Dehlinger, but now that I've gone to the dark side of Willamette Valley, I find it tiresome and fat. Damn tastes changing! Another my wife likes is the single vineyard Patz & Hall Chardonnays, and Hartford Court - both of which now are in the camp as Dehlinger now finds itself.

Any reccs for something in the middle of the two? Something with more energy and acidity for me, but also the richness for my wife's tastes?
Have you ever tried Cameron's Chardonnay? It's is still Oregon (one of the originals practically), but leans towards the riper, more tropical end rather than flinty, steely, etc. Cameron has absolutely top notch vineyards and clonal diversity to work with. The wine also sees some new oak which makes it seem a bit more round and rich. I loved it more in the past than I do now, but for $20 it is liquid gold. Vinopolis still has it in stock.

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Todd F r e n c h wrote: June 16th, 2021, 8:26 am With the nationwide heat wave, our seemingly continuous lack of Chardonnay is becoming evident. Unfortunately my wife isn't into Oregon Chardonnay like I am, still preferring RRV/Carneros for the most part, as it is more unctuous, richer than the crisp, flinty Oregon Chardonnay I love so much.

Many might remember my 2019 'New Years Wine Resolution' to buy more Chardonnay, and I have...but my cellar still consists of 84% red wine, 16% white (and not all Chardonnay, of course).

We both used to like Dehlinger, but now that I've gone to the dark side of Willamette Valley, I find it tiresome and fat. Damn tastes changing! Another my wife likes is the single vineyard Patz & Hall Chardonnays, and Hartford Court - both of which now are in the camp as Dehlinger now finds itself.

Any reccs for something in the middle of the two? Something with more energy and acidity for me, but also the richness for my wife's tastes?
Matrot Bourgogne Blanc if she'll dabble with chard from across the pond. Pretty cheap, $20-25ish.
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Glen Gold wrote: June 16th, 2021, 11:13 am My girlfriend is open to exploring, but has has stopped me dead a couple of times with, "Is this going to be a wine you have to explain to me?"
I LOVE this post, my friend - and we can ALL related . . . [snort.gif]

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i would think Talley's Oliver (or maybe Rincon) might satisfy both of you.
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#46 Post by Tom DeBiase »

Well, the correct answer is Vincent wines from Oregon. Exactly what you are looking for at a silly good price but no Oregon [snort.gif] . My California choice would probably be Scherrer. Enough body and flavor to please your wife but also not crossing over into something that is tiring to drink.

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#47 Post by Matthew Brown »

Todd F r e n c h wrote: June 16th, 2021, 8:40 am
Glen Gold wrote: June 16th, 2021, 8:34 am William Kelley tipped Instagram followers off to Alfaro Trout Gulch. To my palate, and more importantly my girlfriend's, this walks the line you're talking about.
On it, thanks - we'll see, as my wife is picky (except about husbands, where there she obviously settles easily)
Along this line (love affair with all the Alfaro wines here) Domaine Eden shows a bit more of an oak side but still has the underlying acidity of the SCM, still very affordable for what it is and it's pedigree.
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#48 Post by Todd F r e n c h »

BLittle wrote: June 16th, 2021, 12:28 pm i would think Talley's Oliver (or maybe Rincon) might satisfy both of you.
The Estate is a great guilt free daily quaffer. Rosemary needs too much time for the oak
Yes, we visited Talley last year, enjoyed both Oliver and Rincon
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Re: Always running low on Chardonnay...any reccs for an 'in between'?

#49 Post by Mark Y »

Does the two of u have to drink the same chardonnay?

Can u open a mix of bottles. Put them in 8oz vials. And enjoy mix and match over a few days?

Taking away bottle/ label, is her palate so tuned she will really dislike an oregon or burg?
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Re: Always running low on Chardonnay...any reccs for an 'in between'?

#50 Post by Vince T »

+1 on Vincent’s Chards, especially when you consider the QPR on his basic tardive.

Also I’d suggest trying across the Liquid farm lineup - I find Golden slope definitely on the richer side, white hill on the opposite end being more chalky mineral/Chablis-like, and La Hermana striking a nice balance with richness but enough freshness and lift to please an Oregon leaning palate.
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