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Re: Three OR pinot comparisons

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Jim Anderson wrote: May 1st, 2021, 4:53 pm
brigcampbell wrote: May 1st, 2021, 4:31 pm Jim, is there whole cluster in there?

The oak /WC can be confused. I know first hand.
Had to look it up. Exactly 33% of the barrels that make this wine up range from 33% to 100% (far more 100% than 33 or 50) whole cluster. I don’t know what that translates into overall percent. I don’t really think it works that way though. A 50% whole cluster fermented wine is different than a 50% whole cluster wine that is half 100% whole cluster and half 100% destemmed. Nonetheless, the presence of whole cluster fermentation should be evident. There were 5 new barrels out of 168 (3%) and 127 neutral barrels (76%).
Brig I had the same thought. Seemed unlikely these wines especially were heavy on new oak, but figured the whole cluster would add an element that might not appeal to all.
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Re: Three OR pinot comparisons

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Todd Hamina wrote: May 4th, 2021, 9:28 am
Marcus Goodfellow wrote: May 3rd, 2021, 5:52 pm
Jim Anderson wrote: May 3rd, 2021, 10:16 am

Tons of Burgundies are.
DRC at 100% new wood and 100% whole cluster was definitely one that changed my ideas about new wood.
That's close to 100% accurate, but not completely. There's always some wiggle room for less.

And we mortals can't get the same wood they do.
There are vintages where it’s less whole cluster, but there are many where it’s 100% both ways.

Regardless, it was simply a signpost for me. We use wood where it’s needed and don’t where it’s not. That seems the simplest solution to me.
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Judiciously used it certainly makes a wine easier to like... so I didn't do it.
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Todd Hamina wrote: May 4th, 2021, 8:01 pm Judiciously used it certainly makes a wine easier to like... so I didn't do it.
I always liked your wines.


Albert Einstein dropped out of school at 15, but for many school is a good experience. And for some it just makes them intolerable.

Oak truisms are mostly horse poop, from only neutral to 200%...how come there are no truisms for looking at each situation as an independent occurrence?
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