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#1 Post by Jim Anderson »

A long time ago I posted, likely in a thread about corks and capsules (here's the thread viewtopic.php?f=1&t=169324&p=2979028&hi ... m#p2979028), about this guy who has/had a website called sippingfinewine.com where he reviewed wines from Kelley Fox then went on this rant about her lack of capsules and how he couldn’t buy these wines due to this feature as he felt it made the wines unsafe (or something). Funny he could taste them safely and write about them but could t possibly buy them. Well, he’s back. Someone wrote a heartfelt review of a wine of her’s on Instagram and way down in the comments under sippingfinewine he’s back with the exact same rant. Here’s the link.



For those of you lacking Instagram (totally understand):

"Kelly (sic) fox (sic) wines are amazing, however I will not drink them as she chooses not to protect her cork!! It's a shame she can't put some sort of cork protection on her wine bottles. It's pennies to protect a $70 bottle of wine. So i (sic) choose not to drink them!!"

He’s obviously not only got an issue that’s completely outsized to the actual “problem” but has some sort of machismo issue as well.

Thought folks would like to take the opportunity to dump on this guy again.
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#3 Post by Chris Seiber »

I don't feel safe commenting on this thread because of the lack of capsules. Sorry.

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#4 Post by D@vid Bu3ker »

Did my part, and was instantly warned by Instagram. I sense the troll has a plan.
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Chris Seiber wrote: April 28th, 2021, 4:08 pm I don't feel safe commenting on this thread because of the lack of capsules. Sorry.
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D@vid Bu3ker wrote: April 28th, 2021, 4:10 pm
Chris Seiber wrote: April 28th, 2021, 4:08 pm I don't feel safe commenting on this thread because of the lack of capsules. Sorry.
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#7 Post by Tom G l a s g o w »

Funny the only dirty corks I’ve seen were under capsule.

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#8 Post by Brian S t o t t e r »

But if you pour hot wax on it...
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Whomever this is is missing some great wine.
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Is it bad if I remove capsules because I want to be able to see if there is a line or fault in the cork?
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Kirk.Grant wrote: April 28th, 2021, 5:18 pm Is it bad if I remove capsules because I want to be able to see if there is a line or fault in the cork?
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Kirk.Grant wrote: April 28th, 2021, 5:18 pm Is it bad if I remove capsules because I want to be able to see if there is a line or fault in the cork?
only if you're ok with the idea of unprotected capsules! ew.

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#13 Post by Mattstolz »

seems like Kelley's got herself covered... haha
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@sippingfinewine- you assume my reason for not using foils in my wines is because I want to save pennies. It’s arrogant to think you are privy to reasons for my decisions with my work. You have no idea who I am and i have no idea who you are, either. If you had asked me why I don’t use foils, I could have told you that I don’t want the presence of metal on my bottles. For quality reasons. I learned about this from my dear friends and importer of my wines in Japan back in 2016. I spare no costs when it comes to my work.
Not using foils is no less safe than having natural corks in contact with metals that could have also been tampered with in their places of origin. Also- what is actually in those foils? What is the allowed percentages of heavy metals in those? How are those heavy metals and dyes monitored by independent agencies to check for toxins? What is the impact on families and children living near these factories? Air quality? Water systems? I remember now that quite a while ago you wrote me an email about how you believe that people could and would put poison or pathogens as an act of terrorism onto the corks and that only foils would prevent this. What if someone used a tiny syringe to puncture the foils in a way that would be unnoticed? In that case, what about doorknobs, all types of handles, all public places, air vents to buildings and cars, elevator buttons, fruit and vegetables at the grocery store, meats at the butcher, fresh flowers, and quite a number of things that aren’t covered and sealed are serious threats. So are empty unsealed cardboard boxes with glass bottles that we use to put our wines in. Someone could put a pathogen in the bottles and some poison, too. Someone at the cork factory could take a tiny needle and inject pathogens into corks here and there and no one would ever know. I’m sorry that you think this way. It must be terrifying each day. I’m not being sarcastic. I feel compassion. Thank you for your nice comments about the actual wine, though. If you knew me, you would know my character.
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#14 Post by Kirk.Grant »

Mattstolz wrote: April 28th, 2021, 5:33 pm seems like Kelley's got herself covered... haha
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@sippingfinewine- you assume my reason for not using foils in my wines is because I want to save pennies. It’s arrogant to think you are privy to reasons for my decisions with my work. You have no idea who I am and i have no idea who you are, either. If you had asked me why I don’t use foils, I could have told you that I don’t want the presence of metal on my bottles. For quality reasons. I learned about this from my dear friends and importer of my wines in Japan back in 2016. I spare no costs when it comes to my work.
Not using foils is no less safe than having natural corks in contact with metals that could have also been tampered with in their places of origin. Also- what is actually in those foils? What is the allowed percentages of heavy metals in those? How are those heavy metals and dyes monitored by independent agencies to check for toxins? What is the impact on families and children living near these factories? Air quality? Water systems? I remember now that quite a while ago you wrote me an email about how you believe that people could and would put poison or pathogens as an act of terrorism onto the corks and that only foils would prevent this. What if someone used a tiny syringe to puncture the foils in a way that would be unnoticed? In that case, what about doorknobs, all types of handles, all public places, air vents to buildings and cars, elevator buttons, fruit and vegetables at the grocery store, meats at the butcher, fresh flowers, and quite a number of things that aren’t covered and sealed are serious threats. So are empty unsealed cardboard boxes with glass bottles that we use to put our wines in. Someone could put a pathogen in the bottles and some poison, too. Someone at the cork factory could take a tiny needle and inject pathogens into corks here and there and no one would ever know. I’m sorry that you think this way. It must be terrifying each day. I’m not being sarcastic. I feel compassion. Thank you for your nice comments about the actual wine, though. If you knew me, you would know my character.
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#15 Post by R. Frankel »

While I find arguing with highly confused people on the Internet usually not worth the effort, this is a truly beautiful response by Kelley. I salute her!

Plus her wines are absolutely fabulous.
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#16 Post by Ron Slye »

R. Frankel wrote: April 28th, 2021, 5:45 pm While I find arguing with highly confused people on the Internet usually not worth the effort, this is a truly beautiful response by Kelley. I salute her!

Plus her wines are absolutely fabulous.
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R. Frankel wrote: April 28th, 2021, 5:45 pm While I find arguing with highly confused people on the Internet usually not worth the effort, this is a truly beautiful response by Kelley. I salute her!

Plus her wines are absolutely fabulous.
Kirk.Grant wrote: April 28th, 2021, 5:40 pm

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She's pretty awesome!! (I've only met her once, but what an amazing & kind human)
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I love it. its exactly the kind of response I would expect from her... compelling, well thought out, direct, nice bit of bite.

my feeling is: more Kelley Fox wine available for the rest of us.

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#18 Post by Tom R W »

Methinks a certain wine reviewer has a thing for Ms Kelley Fox and has difficulty expressing himself.

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#19 Post by Ian Dorin »

The infatuation with capsules is bizarre. As far as science can tell, a lack of capsule isn't an issue.
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Kirk.Grant wrote: April 28th, 2021, 5:40 pm
Mattstolz wrote: April 28th, 2021, 5:33 pm seems like Kelley's got herself covered... haha
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@sippingfinewine- you assume my reason for not using foils in my wines is because I want to save pennies. It’s arrogant to think you are privy to reasons for my decisions with my work. You have no idea who I am and i have no idea who you are, either. If you had asked me why I don’t use foils, I could have told you that I don’t want the presence of metal on my bottles. For quality reasons. I learned about this from my dear friends and importer of my wines in Japan back in 2016. I spare no costs when it comes to my work.
Not using foils is no less safe than having natural corks in contact with metals that could have also been tampered with in their places of origin. Also- what is actually in those foils? What is the allowed percentages of heavy metals in those? How are those heavy metals and dyes monitored by independent agencies to check for toxins? What is the impact on families and children living near these factories? Air quality? Water systems? I remember now that quite a while ago you wrote me an email about how you believe that people could and would put poison or pathogens as an act of terrorism onto the corks and that only foils would prevent this. What if someone used a tiny syringe to puncture the foils in a way that would be unnoticed? In that case, what about doorknobs, all types of handles, all public places, air vents to buildings and cars, elevator buttons, fruit and vegetables at the grocery store, meats at the butcher, fresh flowers, and quite a number of things that aren’t covered and sealed are serious threats. So are empty unsealed cardboard boxes with glass bottles that we use to put our wines in. Someone could put a pathogen in the bottles and some poison, too. Someone at the cork factory could take a tiny needle and inject pathogens into corks here and there and no one would ever know. I’m sorry that you think this way. It must be terrifying each day. I’m not being sarcastic. I feel compassion. Thank you for your nice comments about the actual wine, though. If you knew me, you would know my character.
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#21 Post by T. Melloni »

A 2018 Kelley Fox Pinot Noir Maresh Vineyard Red Barn Blocks was for me - at that moment - with that bottle - one of the best Pinot Noirs I have ever tasted. It had such life and freshness. Every sip - for me - was a moment of 'wow". Again, that is a moment in time, but it is a wine I will remember.

Sad to think that someone could lose an element of joy that wine offers by their own distraction of seeing a naked cork - one not covered with plastic, lead, aluminum, or some other hammered metal.
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#22 Post by Al Osterheld »

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#23 Post by alan weinberg »

and where would our astronauts be without these: https://www.google.com/search?q=space.c ... ent=safari

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#24 Post by john stimson »

The only bottle of hers that I have at the moment has a screw cap (a 2014). And yet, I'm terribly disappointed that it doesn't also have a capsule, and somewhat fearful of drinking the wine--for safety reasons. Otherwise, I'm thankful that I have purchased a large quantity of tin foil, with which I can protect my bottles, as well as cover my windows, and head, to protect against cosmic rays.

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Marcus Goodfellow wrote: April 28th, 2021, 4:26 pm
D@vid Bu3ker wrote: April 28th, 2021, 4:10 pm
Chris Seiber wrote: April 28th, 2021, 4:08 pm I don't feel safe commenting on this thread because of the lack of capsules. Sorry.
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Mattstolz wrote: April 28th, 2021, 5:33 pm seems like Kelley's got herself covered... haha
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@sippingfinewine- you assume my reason for not using foils in my wines is because I want to save pennies. It’s arrogant to think you are privy to reasons for my decisions with my work. You have no idea who I am and i have no idea who you are, either. If you had asked me why I don’t use foils, I could have told you that I don’t want the presence of metal on my bottles. For quality reasons. I learned about this from my dear friends and importer of my wines in Japan back in 2016. I spare no costs when it comes to my work.
Not using foils is no less safe than having natural corks in contact with metals that could have also been tampered with in their places of origin. Also- what is actually in those foils? What is the allowed percentages of heavy metals in those? How are those heavy metals and dyes monitored by independent agencies to check for toxins? What is the impact on families and children living near these factories? Air quality? Water systems? I remember now that quite a while ago you wrote me an email about how you believe that people could and would put poison or pathogens as an act of terrorism onto the corks and that only foils would prevent this. What if someone used a tiny syringe to puncture the foils in a way that would be unnoticed? In that case, what about doorknobs, all types of handles, all public places, air vents to buildings and cars, elevator buttons, fruit and vegetables at the grocery store, meats at the butcher, fresh flowers, and quite a number of things that aren’t covered and sealed are serious threats. So are empty unsealed cardboard boxes with glass bottles that we use to put our wines in. Someone could put a pathogen in the bottles and some poison, too. Someone at the cork factory could take a tiny needle and inject pathogens into corks here and there and no one would ever know. I’m sorry that you think this way. It must be terrifying each day. I’m not being sarcastic. I feel compassion. Thank you for your nice comments about the actual wine, though. If you knew me, you would know my character.
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#27 Post by Jeff_M. »

It is amazing at times what sets people off in life.
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Jeff_M. wrote: April 29th, 2021, 11:03 am It is amazing at times what sets people off in life.
the guy probably drank too much wine with lead capsules.

Obviously, he's a knucklehead.
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#29 Post by Jim Anderson »

No Capsule Troll responded with, "I never said "FOIL" you did. I said "protect." There are may other ways to protect besides foil!! I am not purchasing wine that has a cork exposed gathering dust on the stores (sic) wine shelf and who knows how many people touching the bottle, not to mention anything about potential contamination, which is another issue."

Okay then. A lot to unpack there. This is either the worst trolling imaginable given the multiple self-owns or this person lives a life of fear and paranoia that's to a degree that is hard to comprehend. Is he writing letters to beer, water and soda companies that use pop top cans? That seal ends up RIGHT IN THE BEVERAGE!!! Fresh vegetables? Those must be out. Not sure whom he writes to there. Mother Nature? Safeway? Hard to say. Does he eat at restaurants? If he thought about what goes on back in the kitchen the way he does the masses swarming wine shelves he would definitely be eating Lunchables instead.

Anyway, he's an unusually self-centered guy trying to make a tasting note about him. Not very 21st century of him.
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#30 Post by Ron Slye »

Not to mention the problem with other people "touching the bottle." I guess all bottles should be wrapped in saran wrap. Then when we buy them we can, using impermeable sterile gloves, unwrap and dispose of the saran wrap and then bring the bottle home.

I would feel more sorry for this guy if he was not being such an a$$ about the whole thing in public.

And yes, I learned a long time ago based upon first hand experience that it is generally preferable not to know too much about what happens in restaurant kitchens re handling of food. I assume it is one of the ways that we slowly build up our collective immunities.

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#31 Post by brigcampbell »

Ron Slye wrote: April 29th, 2021, 11:36 am Not to mention the problem with other people "touching the bottle." I guess all bottles should be wrapped in saran wrap. Then when we buy them we can, using impermeable sterile gloves, unwrap and dispose of the saran wrap and then bring the bottle home.
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#32 Post by R M Kriete »

Well, if the bottle is vaccinated and the consumer is vaccinated, the CDC says no capsule is necessary.

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#33 Post by Jim Anderson »

brigcampbell wrote: April 29th, 2021, 11:39 am
Ron Slye wrote: April 29th, 2021, 11:36 am Not to mention the problem with other people "touching the bottle." I guess all bottles should be wrapped in saran wrap. Then when we buy them we can, using impermeable sterile gloves, unwrap and dispose of the saran wrap and then bring the bottle home.
With wines from Loire and CnDP it's what's inside that'll kill ya. [wow.gif]
On that note, on his Instagram page, he does have a review of Pool Toy Rosé. Maybe it's only what might be on the outside of things that he's concerned about!
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#34 Post by Ron Slye »

Jim Anderson wrote: April 29th, 2021, 11:47 am
brigcampbell wrote: April 29th, 2021, 11:39 am
Ron Slye wrote: April 29th, 2021, 11:36 am Not to mention the problem with other people "touching the bottle." I guess all bottles should be wrapped in saran wrap. Then when we buy them we can, using impermeable sterile gloves, unwrap and dispose of the saran wrap and then bring the bottle home.
With wines from Loire and CnDP it's what's inside that'll kill ya. [wow.gif]
On that note, on his Instagram page, he does have a review of Pool Toy Rosé. Maybe it's only what might be on the outside of things that he's concerned about!
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#35 Post by Jim Stewart »

Hey, he really liked Kelley's wines and highly recommended them! As for the other "noise" . . . who among us has never been a DB ?
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Re: No Capsule Guy strikes again!

#36 Post by Jim Anderson »

Ron Slye wrote: April 29th, 2021, 12:06 pm
Jim Anderson wrote: April 29th, 2021, 11:47 am
brigcampbell wrote: April 29th, 2021, 11:39 am

With wines from Loire and CnDP it's what's inside that'll kill ya. [wow.gif]
On that note, on his Instagram page, he does have a review of Pool Toy Rosé. Maybe it's only what might be on the outside of things that he's concerned about!
Oh come on. Now you are kidding! This is an SNL skit right?
How could I make that up?

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#37 Post by Andrew Gold »

Jim Stewart wrote: April 29th, 2021, 12:21 pm Hey, he really liked Kelley's wines and highly recommended them! As for the other "noise" . . . who among us has never been a DB ?
I'm with Jim Stewart on this...

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Re: No Capsule Guy strikes again!

#38 Post by Rodrigo B »

Jim Anderson wrote: April 29th, 2021, 12:35 pm
Ron Slye wrote: April 29th, 2021, 12:06 pm
Jim Anderson wrote: April 29th, 2021, 11:47 am

On that note, on his Instagram page, he does have a review of Pool Toy Rosé. Maybe it's only what might be on the outside of things that he's concerned about!
Oh come on. Now you are kidding! This is an SNL skit right?
How could I make that up?

Is he really that surprised that a pool toy is plastic?

Gotta say though, that wine's marketing team seems to know what they're doing. Lighter in weight because of the plastic and people don’t have to worry about bringing a corkscrew or having the bottle break and having shards of glass at the beach, pool or wherever they bring it to. All around designed to facilitate people bringing that wine outside and enjoying it without a fuss. They seem to know their target market pretty well and cater to them.
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#39 Post by Wes Barton »

This ought to work on him:

"I'm so sorry this keeps happening! We bottle with capsules, but the deep state lizard-people keep removing them with their Jewish space lasers."
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Re: No Capsule Guy strikes again!

#40 Post by Mattstolz »

Vince T wrote: April 28th, 2021, 7:42 pm
Kirk.Grant wrote: April 28th, 2021, 5:40 pm
Mattstolz wrote: April 28th, 2021, 5:33 pm seems like Kelley's got herself covered... haha



:mic drop:
She's pretty awesome!! (I've only met her once, but what an amazing & kind human)
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This makes me want to run out and buy cases of her wine stat
do itttttttt

seriously though you won't regret it. and its the time to get them: there won't be any 2020 reds from her at all. I highly suggest the Maresh vineyard, which she farms herself, and the Mirabai, which is just so good for the price.
R M Kriete wrote: April 29th, 2021, 11:46 am Well, if the bottle is vaccinated and the consumer is vaccinated, the CDC says no capsule is necessary.
ok that made me LOL

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#41 Post by Vince T »

Mattstolz wrote: April 29th, 2021, 5:30 pm
Vince T wrote: April 28th, 2021, 7:42 pm
This makes me want to run out and buy cases of her wine stat
do itttttttt

seriously though you won't regret it. and its the time to get them: there won't be any 2020 reds from her at all. I highly suggest the Maresh vineyard, which she farms herself, and the Mirabai, which is just so good for the price.
Heheh, what’s one more box of Oregon wine right? Between patty green, Vincent, Walter Scott, Shiba weichern, division and aerea... I think I’ve bought more Oregon wine this year than in all previous years combined.
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#42 Post by Al Osterheld »

The Kelley Fox wines are great. I don't have as many as I'd like, because I already have too much wine, but absolutely love the ones I've bought.

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#43 Post by CCoulson »

Enjoying an enchanting Kelley Fox 2014 Momtazi as I read this.
Delicious. Drank over three days. Tight at first. Third night the best. Momtazi has more weight and spice than KF Maresh. Darker red fruit. Deeper color. Glad I have more bottles and vintages to enjoy over the next 20 years.
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#44 Post by Alex N »

He's quite active on Vivino - https://www.vivino.com/users/sippingfinewine

https://www.vivino.com/ES/es/belle-pent ... ?year=2017
Just love this wine, BUT NOT ANYMORE, READ END! Belle Pente means "beautiful slope" for their 70 acre hillside vineyard & winery site in Willamette. Bright Ruby, aromas of red fruits, herb & hints of blossom notes. On the palate strawberry & cherry flavors, slight sweet undertones, herb notes & smooth tannins. Well balanced on a long finish ending with mineral herb notes. Great value, but THEY LEAVE CORK EXPOSED, I WILL NO LONGER DRINK WINE WITH CONTAMINATED CORKS. PROTECT YOUR CORK, WAX COSTS PENNIES!
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#45 Post by Wes Barton »

He "WILL NO LONGER DRINK WINE WITH CONTAMINATED CORKS", but keeps tasting them.....and bitching about them.....because they're free samples for his blog. https://sippingfinewine.com/sample-policy/

"Constructive criticism", as he puts it. But, would rather blather in his own self-important echo chamber than ask a winemaker why they make this choice and why his weird obsession, er, concerns, may not be valid.
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#46 Post by Mariano Chiaramonte »

May I quote the great Italian novelist / philosopher Umberto Eco: “Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community. Then they were quickly silenced, but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It’s the invasion of the idiots.”

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#47 Post by Paul @bbott »

Doesn’t Jewish tradition require two seals on a wine? Not sure if the lack of a capsule would prevent some Orthodox Jews from trying her wines.

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#48 Post by Al Osterheld »

Well, if it's not a kosher wine, two seals won't make it so.

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#49 Post by Neal.Mollen »

Jim Stewart wrote: April 29th, 2021, 12:21 pm Hey, he really liked Kelley's wines and highly recommended them! As for the other "noise" . . . who among us has never been a DB ?
Dirt bag? Designated Bellydancer? Deciduous bark? Dubious busdriver? Downtown business?
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#50 Post by Wes Barton »

Neal.Mollen wrote: May 2nd, 2021, 2:07 pm
Jim Stewart wrote: April 29th, 2021, 12:21 pm Hey, he really liked Kelley's wines and highly recommended them! As for the other "noise" . . . who among us has never been a DB ?
Dirt bag? Designated Bellydancer? Deciduous bark? Dubious busdriver? Downtown business?
Doddering blowhard?
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