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Saw an Instagram post from Realm about a rosé launching May 3rd: “La Fe” (Faith in Spanish?) didn’t get an email. Anybody have any additional information? Given the quality of Realm, my interest is piqued.
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#2 Post by Shay_A »

A buddy of mine called Realm to ask about the rosé. It’s 90% Merlot 10% Cabernet. $60/bottle.

Scott, please correct me if I’m off on that!
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#3 Post by OwenB »

Teeter Totter just launched a rosé at $25. Wonder if they’re from the same source, with Realm getting first pick of grapes or something like that.

Edit: nevermind, TT rosé is made from Grenache and Realm says this one is Merlot-based. Interesting.
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    following here and the comments there.
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    #5 Post by JohnP »

    Wow, that will go fast, but $60 for rose, yikes!
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    #6 Post by JViolini »

    JohnP wrote: April 27th, 2021, 10:20 am Wow, that will go fast, but $60 for rose, yikes!

    That’s a few bucks more than what Pataille’s Marsannay Fleur de Rosé is and is one of my favorite rosés. Antica Terra Angelicall is 2x that and is my top 2 with the FdR. They’re both extended skin time Pinot based though. Not sure if that’s the style with the Realm and if so how it’ll translate to Merlot/Cab.
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    #7 Post by JViolini »

    According to the IG post today it came about because of the fires and is NOT an extended skin contact like the Antica Terra/Sylvia Pataille style. I realize now the timing of the fires so it makes sense.
    According to the post gentle pressing, cooler ferments and no wood.
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    #8 Post by pgrzesik »

    $60 for a rose?!? Hard pass.

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    #9 Post by Tom Chen »

    Offer email just came out. First come, first served. Order increments of 3 bottles.

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    #10 Post by William Anzalone »

    Just received the email and the release is live. It is $60/bottle. I'm in for 3.

    The release email provides some additional info about this wine:

    "The challenges of the past year or so have left an indelible mark on all of us. Yet the resiliency of both Nature and Humanity bring a sense of renewed optimism and faith. With a new growing season well underway in Napa Valley, we find ourselves as energetic as the vines looking ahead to brighter days.

    In that spirit, we are delighted to share the surprise release of our 2020 La Fe Rosé wine which is available immediately.

    We are offering 2020 La Fe on a first-come, first-served basis because we simply have no other way to fairly determine which of our members will be interested in this wine. There are no guaranteed allocations and the wine is only available in increments of 3 bottles. We will ship immediately in the next few weeks with packaging materials and shipping channels specially designed to mitigate warm temperatures.

    When smoke from the wildfires of August 2020 lingered in the valley, we knew from experience our red wines would likely be compromised. The fruit was several weeks away from reaching full maturity – poor timing for reds, but perfect for Rosé. So we decided to harvest some fruit early as an experiment. Rosé is much less susceptible to smoke taint because of minimal skin contact. We harvested mostly Merlot and a little Cabernet Sauvignon from our two Estate vineyards, Farella and Moonracer. Our aim was a lighter, fresher style of Rosé – gentle pressing, cooler fermentations, no wood impact. The result is a wine tailored perfectly for summer drinking.

    At first, we weren’t sure we would release this wine. We didn’t want to risk the reputation we worked so hard to earn over all these years. But each time we tasted this wine, we found ourselves smiling – it was too good not to bottle it! Perhaps most of all, we are thrilled to craft a wine that sparks so much joy despite the challenges inherent in making it. Maybe that’s The Realm Way – making the most of something…never giving up. The wine is vibrant with citrus, floral and red fruit notes. There is no impact from smoke. The name, La Fe, is a reminder that winegrowing (and life) sometimes requires a little faith – in Nature, in one another, in ourselves, and maybe even in something greater."
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    #11 Post by noah y »

    I haven't had a bottle from Realm I didn't like. I'm in for 6. There's something to be said for a quality producer that makes fantastic wines across the board, and acknowledges the importance of maintaining that reputation (in so far as they wouldn't want to risk it).
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    pgrzesik wrote: April 28th, 2021, 11:53 am $60 for a rose?!? Hard pass.
    I hate posts like this . If a wine is great (yes this is a flyer) , and you will spend hundreds for other wines, why is $60 too much. Just because it is a rose ?? I just don't get it .

    I have a friend buying 6. I will take 1 or 2.
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    Bdklein wrote: May 3rd, 2021, 10:40 am
    pgrzesik wrote: April 28th, 2021, 11:53 am $60 for a rose?!? Hard pass.
    I hate posts like this . If a wine is great (yes this is a flyer) , and you will spend hundreds for other wines, why is $60 too much. Just because it is a rose ?? I just don't get it .

    I have a friend buying 6. I will take 1 or 2.
    I’d take 1 if others were buying but I’m not going to do 3. The price is really high vs other CA roses (bedrock is $20, AR is $22, Myriad is $30, Salt Vine is ~$25) that I like. Even old world - Tempier Bandol is $45, etc. I’m sure it’s good, but just not worth it to me.
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    #14 Post by scott.becker »

    Hi everyone, sorry I'm late to the party. Thanks for the interest and dialogue here. Good feedback on the pricing and quantity parameters. Given the timing of release, we tried to be super careful about shipping temperatures. For California deliveries, we partnered with VinDelivery for white glove service. For the rest of the US, we opted for UPS Summer Solutions which is refrigerated until the "last mile." We placed the restriction on bottles (3, 6, 9, 12) for this drop in order to simplify some of the logistics.

    This Rosé certainly isn't the wine we hoped to make from 2020 at the start of the season. But given what transpired last fall, I'm thrilled with how our team adapted and how this wine turned out. We wouldn't bottle a wine nor release it if we weren't fully confident that it belongs among our other wines in the Realm portfolio. I look forward to hearing some feedback as folks begin to taste La Fe next week...and I hope this wine is enjoyed poolside as the world starts to open up!
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    Aleks V wrote: May 3rd, 2021, 11:34 am
    Bdklein wrote: May 3rd, 2021, 10:40 am
    pgrzesik wrote: April 28th, 2021, 11:53 am $60 for a rose?!? Hard pass.
    I hate posts like this . If a wine is great (yes this is a flyer) , and you will spend hundreds for other wines, why is $60 too much. Just because it is a rose ?? I just don't get it .

    I have a friend buying 6. I will take 1 or 2.
    I’d take 1 if others were buying but I’m not going to do 3. The price is really high vs other CA roses (bedrock is $20, AR is $22, Myriad is $30, Salt Vine is ~$25) that I like. Even old world - Tempier Bandol is $45, etc. I’m sure it’s good, but just not worth it to me.
    That I get 100%. It's the blanket statements that don't make sense to me. $60 for a Realm rose might give more pleasure than the $250 Realm Cab .
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    scott.becker wrote: May 3rd, 2021, 11:59 am Hi everyone, sorry I'm late to the party. Thanks for the interest and dialogue here. Good feedback on the pricing and quantity parameters. Given the timing of release, we tried to be super careful about shipping temperatures. For California deliveries, we partnered with VinDelivery for white glove service. For the rest of the US, we opted for UPS Summer Solutions which is refrigerated until the "last mile." We placed the restriction on bottles (3, 6, 9, 12) for this drop in order to simplify some of the logistics.

    This Rosé certainly isn't the wine we hoped to make from 2020 at the start of the season. But given what transpired last fall, I'm thrilled with how our team adapted and how this wine turned out. We wouldn't bottle a wine nor release it if we weren't fully confident that it belongs among our other wines in the Realm portfolio. I look forward to hearing some feedback as folks begin to taste La Fe next week...and I hope this wine is enjoyed poolside as the world starts to open up!
    Scott , thanks as always for your posts . I realize it's probably an unknown answer, but do you think this needs to sit for some time after delivery ? Maybe wait til next year ?
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    Bdklein wrote: May 3rd, 2021, 10:40 am
    pgrzesik wrote: April 28th, 2021, 11:53 am $60 for a rose?!? Hard pass.
    I hate posts like this . If a wine is great (yes this is a flyer) , and you will spend hundreds for other wines, why is $60 too much. Just because it is a rose ?? I just don't get it .

    I have a friend buying 6. I will take 1 or 2.
    just can't agree more
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    #18 Post by chris.p »

    I am in 3, not a fan of Rose at all but I'd like to try Realm's Rose. btw, the shipping cost is a little high, $30 for shipping in bay area.
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    Bdklein wrote: May 3rd, 2021, 12:03 pm
    Scott , thanks as always for your posts . I realize it's probably an unknown answer, but do you think this needs to sit for some time after delivery ? Maybe wait til next year ?
    I think this wine should be ready to go! We bottled a month or so ago and I've been tasting it regularly to see how it's showing. The wine still comes across as rather open to me. A little air definitely brings out the more delicate characteristics. We tasted through a lot of Rosé from California and Provence as we prepared for this drop. It was interesting for me to see some reduction on many of the Provence bottles. That made me wonder whether some producers are intentionally looking for some reduction because they know those bottles get opened and poured by the glass at various restaurants, hotels, etc. In our case, we tried to avoid reduction but at the same time capture the freshness. Will it age for a year or two? I think the answer is yes based on our experience with Fidelio...but my personal preferences lean toward enjoying this type of wine young and vibrant.
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    chris.p wrote: May 3rd, 2021, 12:51 pm I am in 3, not a fan of Rose at all but I'd like to try Realm's Rose. btw, the shipping cost is a little high, $30 for shipping in bay area.
    Thanks Chris. Still experimenting with various shipping methods. Send me a note after you receive your package from VinDelivery. I think you'll enjoy their level of service!
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    scott.becker wrote: May 3rd, 2021, 1:12 pm
    Bdklein wrote: May 3rd, 2021, 12:03 pm
    Scott , thanks as always for your posts . I realize it's probably an unknown answer, but do you think this needs to sit for some time after delivery ? Maybe wait til next year ?
    I think this wine should be ready to go! We bottled a month or so ago and I've been tasting it regularly to see how it's showing. The wine still comes across as rather open to me. A little air definitely brings out the more delicate characteristics. We tasted through a lot of Rosé from California and Provence as we prepared for this drop. It was interesting for me to see some reduction on many of the Provence bottles. That made me wonder whether some producers are intentionally looking for some reduction because they know those bottles get opened and poured by the glass at various restaurants, hotels, etc. In our case, we tried to avoid reduction but at the same time capture the freshness. Will it age for a year or two? I think the answer is yes based on our experience with Fidelio...but my personal preferences lean toward enjoying this type of wine young and vibrant.
    Thanks . Looking forward to my 2 bottles from my friend. How much did you make and how many cases are you selling do you think ?
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    #22 Post by Mike Walsh »

    Agree with the person that said they hadn't had a Realm that they didn't like. Particularly their white wines. I'm willing to take a flyer on a half case of hopefully a fun summer-time drinker based on past experiences.

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    #23 Post by JViolini »

    I went for a 6 pack blind as well; given that A) the past Realm I've had before has been great B) I just bought some Cab & Cabl/Merlot rosé from Corison & Young Inglewood last week. I normally buy the darker, skin contact styles like from Antica Terra or Sylain Pataille.
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    #24 Post by Robert G. »

    I went back and forth, but ultimately decided to get six. I am new to Realm, but had a 2017 Houyi and 2018 Bard in the last few months that were just phenomenal.
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    #25 Post by jeffruggels »

    I LOVE Realm and have been on the list for a long time but will be passing on my allocation which i am sure will be purchased and enjoyed by others. With shipping and CA tax on 2 bottles would be about $80 per for a rose (consume little) of merlot (consume little). Neither money nor even drinking windows are limitless here so sometimes you just have to pass. hope they buyers enjoy!

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    Bdklein wrote: May 3rd, 2021, 10:40 am
    pgrzesik wrote: April 28th, 2021, 11:53 am $60 for a rose?!? Hard pass.
    I hate posts like this . If a wine is great (yes this is a flyer) , and you will spend hundreds for other wines, why is $60 too much. Just because it is a rose ?? I just don't get it .

    I have a friend buying 6. I will take 1 or 2.
    No, I do no spend hundreds on other wines. Most expensive wine I bought personally for my collection is a $105 2008 Buccella Cuvee Katrina Eileen at an auction.
    Yes, $60 is too much for a rose wine. You do know how most rose is made correct? You are literally taking left over crushed grapes and mixing it with water and usually adding ethyl alcohol to it.

    Rose is like bologna "meat" - all the leftovers mixed together with additives in a hope of making something palatable.

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    "Rose is like bologna meat" LOL

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    #28 Post by Dennis_L »

    scott.becker wrote: May 3rd, 2021, 1:15 pm
    chris.p wrote: May 3rd, 2021, 12:51 pm I am in 3, not a fan of Rose at all but I'd like to try Realm's Rose. btw, the shipping cost is a little high, $30 for shipping in bay area.
    Thanks Chris. Still experimenting with various shipping methods. Send me a note after you receive your package from VinDelivery. I think you'll enjoy their level of service!
    I saw the same thing and just for fun, since I am in socal right now, tried the zip here and it happened to be $30 for 3 and $35 for 6 so, to "save" on shipping picked up 6 [cheers.gif]
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    pgrzesik wrote: May 3rd, 2021, 5:23 pm
    Bdklein wrote: May 3rd, 2021, 10:40 am
    pgrzesik wrote: April 28th, 2021, 11:53 am $60 for a rose?!? Hard pass.
    I hate posts like this . If a wine is great (yes this is a flyer) , and you will spend hundreds for other wines, why is $60 too much. Just because it is a rose ?? I just don't get it .

    I have a friend buying 6. I will take 1 or 2.
    No, I do no spend hundreds on other wines. Most expensive wine I bought personally for my collection is a $105 2008 Buccella Cuvee Katrina Eileen at an auction.
    Yes, $60 is too much for a rose wine. You do know how most rose is made correct? You are literally taking left over crushed grapes and mixing it with water and usually adding ethyl alcohol to it.

    Rose is like bologna "meat" - all the leftovers mixed together with additives in a hope of making something palatable.
    Thanks for the post. Just to clarify , when I typed "you", I didn't mean you specifically. I meant in general that some people put different wine varieties in price buckets, and will never spend $60 for this rose but will spend hundreds for other wines . Perhaps the $60 here will be "worth it" more than the $250 for other Realm bottles .
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    pgrzesik wrote: May 3rd, 2021, 5:23 pm
    Bdklein wrote: May 3rd, 2021, 10:40 am
    pgrzesik wrote: April 28th, 2021, 11:53 am $60 for a rose?!? Hard pass.
    I hate posts like this . If a wine is great (yes this is a flyer) , and you will spend hundreds for other wines, why is $60 too much. Just because it is a rose ?? I just don't get it .

    I have a friend buying 6. I will take 1 or 2.
    No, I do no spend hundreds on other wines. Most expensive wine I bought personally for my collection is a $105 2008 Buccella Cuvee Katrina Eileen at an auction.
    Yes, $60 is too much for a rose wine. You do know how most rose is made correct? You are literally taking left over crushed grapes and mixing it with water and usually adding ethyl alcohol to it.

    Rose is like bologna "meat" - all the leftovers mixed together with additives in a hope of making something palatable.
    No, that is not how rose is made, at all.

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    pgrzesik wrote: May 3rd, 2021, 5:23 pm
    Bdklein wrote: May 3rd, 2021, 10:40 am
    pgrzesik wrote: April 28th, 2021, 11:53 am $60 for a rose?!? Hard pass.
    I hate posts like this . If a wine is great (yes this is a flyer) , and you will spend hundreds for other wines, why is $60 too much. Just because it is a rose ?? I just don't get it .

    I have a friend buying 6. I will take 1 or 2.
    No, I do no spend hundreds on other wines. Most expensive wine I bought personally for my collection is a $105 2008 Buccella Cuvee Katrina Eileen at an auction.
    Yes, $60 is too much for a rose wine. You do know how most rose is made correct? You are literally taking left over crushed grapes and mixing it with water and usually adding ethyl alcohol to it.

    Rose is like bologna "meat" - all the leftovers mixed together with additives in a hope of making something palatable.
    That is definitely NOT how Rose is made (at least how it’s supposed to be made). And I guarantee Realm doesn’t make their wine this way...
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    #32 Post by Christine Courtney »

    As always, such interesting banter on WB!
    Yes, $60 is a lot for a bottle of rose. But knowing Realm, it is a top notch rose! And I don't recall ever trying a rose of merlot, so excited to try! Order in for 3 flirtysmile

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    #33 Post by larry schaffer »

    So this does not sound as if this rose is an extended skin contact rose as some others in this thread that have mentioned. The idea of extended skin contact sounds as if it runs counter to what they were trying to do - and avoid - due to smoke taint.

    As far as pricing goes, to each their own - but no one should make someone else feel 'bad' about spending as much as they do. It's a slippery slope folks . . .

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    #34 Post by Gabe Berk »

    Realm has some majorly nice packaging. The streak continues with their Rosè. Pass on the wine, but I’m sure it’s very good nonetheless.

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    #35 Post by Jake Danberry »

    This was a great offer. I cant wait to try these. Took 3 since it is so new. Of course, I pretty much buy everything Realm produces.
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    #36 Post by Chris H. »

    I picked some up--recently had a 2018 Bard and found it quite nice with a few hours in the decanter. Wondering if this will be a one-off just due to the circumstances in 2020. Looking forward to trying it!
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    Dennis_L wrote: May 3rd, 2021, 6:21 pm
    scott.becker wrote: May 3rd, 2021, 1:15 pm
    chris.p wrote: May 3rd, 2021, 12:51 pm I am in 3, not a fan of Rose at all but I'd like to try Realm's Rose. btw, the shipping cost is a little high, $30 for shipping in bay area.
    Thanks Chris. Still experimenting with various shipping methods. Send me a note after you receive your package from VinDelivery. I think you'll enjoy their level of service!
    I saw the same thing and just for fun, since I am in socal right now, tried the zip here and it happened to be $30 for 3 and $35 for 6 so, to "save" on shipping picked up 6 [cheers.gif]
    It's high everywhere. Delivered to Ohio, total cost is almost $75 a bottle which is consistent with the cost of the regular shipments, but very high compared to many other wineries. $35 to ship 6 is a relative bargain.

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    #38 Post by Michael_D »

    For what it's worth, Kenzo's rose is $80. It's pretty amazing, but I get why some folks would find $60 or more a lot for a rose.
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    Bdklein wrote: May 3rd, 2021, 8:11 pm
    pgrzesik wrote: May 3rd, 2021, 5:23 pm
    Bdklein wrote: May 3rd, 2021, 10:40 am

    I hate posts like this . If a wine is great (yes this is a flyer) , and you will spend hundreds for other wines, why is $60 too much. Just because it is a rose ?? I just don't get it .

    I have a friend buying 6. I will take 1 or 2.
    No, I do no spend hundreds on other wines. Most expensive wine I bought personally for my collection is a $105 2008 Buccella Cuvee Katrina Eileen at an auction.
    Yes, $60 is too much for a rose wine. You do know how most rose is made correct? You are literally taking left over crushed grapes and mixing it with water and usually adding ethyl alcohol to it.

    Rose is like bologna "meat" - all the leftovers mixed together with additives in a hope of making something palatable.
    Thanks for the post. Just to clarify , when I typed "you", I didn't mean you specifically. I meant in general that some people put different wine varieties in price buckets, and will never spend $60 for this rose but will spend hundreds for other wines . Perhaps the $60 here will be "worth it" more than the $250 for other Realm bottles .

    Fair enough - I just personally am not a big rose fan myself. I do think Realm makes some good wines - but a lot of their clout is about branding and those who spend a decent dollar on their wines WANT the wines to taste good. The last Realm I had was a 2019 Fidelo sav blanc. I really wanted it to taste extraordinary especially given the price - but I could not tell it apart from a "generic" $25 sav blanc from California.

    As a clarification - the majority of California rose is made via the saignee method (which I presume is the method used in Realm's rose) - which is a process of using the juice from other grapes destined to be a red wine and fermenting it on its own. Water, alcohol, and flavor additives are added to the producer's liking.

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    #40 Post by Robert M yers »

    This is the minority of California (and the world) forum, thanks for the enlightened insight on the majority though.

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    #41 Post by larry schaffer »

    pgrzesik wrote: May 4th, 2021, 5:34 pm
    Bdklein wrote: May 3rd, 2021, 8:11 pm
    pgrzesik wrote: May 3rd, 2021, 5:23 pm

    No, I do no spend hundreds on other wines. Most expensive wine I bought personally for my collection is a $105 2008 Buccella Cuvee Katrina Eileen at an auction.
    Yes, $60 is too much for a rose wine. You do know how most rose is made correct? You are literally taking left over crushed grapes and mixing it with water and usually adding ethyl alcohol to it.

    Rose is like bologna "meat" - all the leftovers mixed together with additives in a hope of making something palatable.
    Thanks for the post. Just to clarify , when I typed "you", I didn't mean you specifically. I meant in general that some people put different wine varieties in price buckets, and will never spend $60 for this rose but will spend hundreds for other wines . Perhaps the $60 here will be "worth it" more than the $250 for other Realm bottles .

    Fair enough - I just personally am not a big rose fan myself. I do think Realm makes some good wines - but a lot of their clout is about branding and those who spend a decent dollar on their wines WANT the wines to taste good. The last Realm I had was a 2019 Fidelo sav blanc. I really wanted it to taste extraordinary especially given the price - but I could not tell it apart from a "generic" $25 sav blanc from California.

    As a clarification - the majority of California rose is made via the saignee method (which I presume is the method used in Realm's rose) - which is a process of using the juice from other grapes destined to be a red wine and fermenting it on its own. Water, alcohol, and flavor additives are added to the producer's liking.
    Your last statement is simply not correct. First off, there is no way one can determine how the 'majority' of California roses are made. Period. Second, just because a winery chooses to make a rose using the saignee method does not mean that it is a 'lesser' wine whatsoever. Talk to Tablas Creek - they make one of the top rated roses year in and year out and good percentage of it is saignee. Oftentimes water is added to the saigee'd juice since the grapes are picking at riper sugar levels than most roses usually are, but alcohol is NOT added nor are other 'flavor additives' as this is entirely legal.

    And no where does it say that this Realm is made with a saignee method - my guess, based on reading above, is that it is not. Period.

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    #42 Post by Josh H »

    larry schaffer wrote: May 4th, 2021, 8:18 pm
    pgrzesik wrote: May 4th, 2021, 5:34 pm
    Bdklein wrote: May 3rd, 2021, 8:11 pm

    Thanks for the post. Just to clarify , when I typed "you", I didn't mean you specifically. I meant in general that some people put different wine varieties in price buckets, and will never spend $60 for this rose but will spend hundreds for other wines . Perhaps the $60 here will be "worth it" more than the $250 for other Realm bottles .

    Fair enough - I just personally am not a big rose fan myself. I do think Realm makes some good wines - but a lot of their clout is about branding and those who spend a decent dollar on their wines WANT the wines to taste good. The last Realm I had was a 2019 Fidelo sav blanc. I really wanted it to taste extraordinary especially given the price - but I could not tell it apart from a "generic" $25 sav blanc from California.

    As a clarification - the majority of California rose is made via the saignee method (which I presume is the method used in Realm's rose) - which is a process of using the juice from other grapes destined to be a red wine and fermenting it on its own. Water, alcohol, and flavor additives are added to the producer's liking.
    Your last statement is simply not correct. First off, there is no way one can determine how the 'majority' of California roses are made. Period. Second, just because a winery chooses to make a rose using the saignee method does not mean that it is a 'lesser' wine whatsoever. Talk to Tablas Creek - they make one of the top rated roses year in and year out and good percentage of it is saignee. Oftentimes water is added to the saigee'd juice since the grapes are picking at riper sugar levels than most roses usually are, but alcohol is NOT added nor are other 'flavor additives' as this is entirely legal.

    And no where does it say that this Realm is made with a saignee method - my guess, based on reading above, is that it is not. Period.

    Cheers.
    Facts. Broad unsubstantiated generalizations usually do not end well when scrutinized.

    And no, Realm’s “clout” is not because of their branding. They are not mass produced like other wines that rely on their branding for mass appeal. Just because they invest time and effort to present a great total package (such as labels) does not mean their “clout” is due to branding and convincing ourselves the wines are better than they are. I think that’s a gross misstatement. Those that are fortunate enough to buy their wines do so because of the enjoyment of them, as they’re widely admired by critics and consumers alike. I’d venture to guess that those that are fortunate enough to buy their wines, which of course are priced in the premium category, are well-versed in other premium, high-end wines, thereby making their branding not particularly important, since these individuals may have a greater ability to buy higher priced wines.

    I get the points you’re trying to make, and certainly you’re entitled to your opinions, but as others have pointed out, including Larry, your posts have some very distinct inaccuracies.
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    #43 Post by Chris Crutchfield »

    I think he was generally trying to say that the wine is not worth $60 because it is made from cast-offs from a much better wine. This of course ignores the fact that, as was stated above, this was a very purposefully made rose for a very specific reason.

    I encourage the guy to continue to drink his $25 California “sav blanc” and not to worry about wines that are apparently outside of his comprehension.

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    #44 Post by chris.p »

    I am very interested in that $25 California Sauvignon Blanc, maybe I could save a lot by not buying Fidelio.  [cheers.gif]
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    #45 Post by scott.becker »

    Good morning! To clarify, our Rosé is not saignee. We picked Merlot in August when it became apparent the smoke wasn't going to let up. This wasn't an exercise in bleeding, we knew we were not going to produce a red wine. We pressed the fruit in the same manner as our Sauvignon Blanc Fidelio and treated it much like a white wine through fermentation. In fact, we pulled back on the press fractions because we didn't want to pick up anything more than necessary from the skins. The result is pale pink color Rosé. Alcohol is 13.9% which is a first from the Realm house!

    Sorry to hear the experience with 19 Fidelio. I found that wine a little tight and closed upon release but it's singing now. By comparison, 2020 Fidelio is already very expressive.
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    scott.becker wrote: May 5th, 2021, 7:26 am Good morning! To clarify, our Rosé is not saignee. We picked Merlot in August when it became apparent the smoke wasn't going to let up. This wasn't an exercise in bleeding, we knew we were not going to produce a red wine. We pressed the fruit in the same manner as our Sauvignon Blanc Fidelio and treated it much like a white wine through fermentation. In fact, we pulled back on the press fractions because we didn't want to pick up anything more than necessary from the skins. The result is pale pink color Rosé. Alcohol is 13.9% which is a first from the Realm house!

    Sorry to hear the experience with 19 Fidelio. I found that wine a little tight and closed upon release but it's singing now. By comparison, 2020 Fidelio is already very expressive.
    My mom loves rose! Excited to Try!

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    #47 Post by Chris H. »

    scott.becker wrote: May 5th, 2021, 7:26 am Good morning! To clarify, our Rosé is not saignee. We picked Merlot in August when it became apparent the smoke wasn't going to let up. This wasn't an exercise in bleeding, we knew we were not going to produce a red wine. We pressed the fruit in the same manner as our Sauvignon Blanc Fidelio and treated it much like a white wine through fermentation. In fact, we pulled back on the press fractions because we didn't want to pick up anything more than necessary from the skins. The result is pale pink color Rosé. Alcohol is 13.9% which is a first from the Realm house!

    Sorry to hear the experience with 19 Fidelio. I found that wine a little tight and closed upon release but it's singing now. By comparison, 2020 Fidelio is already very expressive.
    Great information! Thank you. I skipped the 2020 Fidelio, do you happen to have any left that could be added to my La Fe order?
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    #48 Post by larry schaffer »

    scott.becker wrote: May 5th, 2021, 7:26 am Good morning! To clarify, our Rosé is not saignee. We picked Merlot in August when it became apparent the smoke wasn't going to let up. This wasn't an exercise in bleeding, we knew we were not going to produce a red wine. We pressed the fruit in the same manner as our Sauvignon Blanc Fidelio and treated it much like a white wine through fermentation. In fact, we pulled back on the press fractions because we didn't want to pick up anything more than necessary from the skins. The result is pale pink color Rosé. Alcohol is 13.9% which is a first from the Realm house!

    Sorry to hear the experience with 19 Fidelio. I found that wine a little tight and closed upon release but it's singing now. By comparison, 2020 Fidelio is already very expressive.
    Thanks for popping back on here. A great defense is our best offense - let people know what is really happening and we are all better off. Congrats on a successful release and I hope you sell out promptly.

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    #49 Post by scott.becker »

    Chris, I wish I had more Fidelio to share but sadly it's all gone! Thanks for your message Larry and I enjoy reading your posts and perspective too.
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    #50 Post by Gabe Berk »

    chris.p wrote: May 4th, 2021, 11:50 pm I am very interested in that $25 California Sauvignon Blanc, maybe I could save a lot by not buying Fidelio.  [cheers.gif]
    Try Joel Gott California Sauvignon Blanc. #19 rated wine in the world according to this years Wine Spectator Top 100. Its $9.99 and I buy a case + for our house wine when its 100 plus degrees all summer.

    Fidelio Sauvignon Blanc in my opinion is one of the 3 best in all of California. Stuff is amazing and very much a cut above $10, $25 and $50 Sauvignon Blanc. [cheers.gif]

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