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#51 Post by Mich@el Ch@ng »

Stan Y. wrote: April 22nd, 2021, 5:48 am
B. Buzzini wrote: April 21st, 2021, 6:04 pm ...I want nice graphite dryness, not too sweet...firm tannins yet silky...varietal correct, yet showing some terroir complexity and uniqueness from the sheep herd...........GO!
I like to follow these threads - looking for the same thing, but am still not sure it really exists like it did in the 80s and 90s. I never buy Bordeaux futures but just picked up some '19 Domaine de Chevalier at $55 for exactly this, except for the Napa Valley part.

I understand the Frog's Leap love given it's restraint and accessibility. Doesn't have much 'graphite dryness' though; 'firm' does not come to mind at all for the current release; and its uniqueness is its understated polish. Ridge is Ridge - baby Monte Bello with way too much oak and tannin for current enjoyment...still have a few 2011-2014s cellared as an experiment and expect they will need 15-20 years (which I guess is better than 30-40 years for Monte Bello).

Based on this topic I need to try Di Constanzo, and maybe the Elyse if it can be found without too much jumping through hoops. I am seeing conflicting notes on the Di Constanzo...AG says "intense with huge depth of fruit" which is normally code for something I will not like at all, but some cellartracker notes mention restraint which bodes well.

Time to open another "best $50 Bordeaux" thread I guess.

Edit: just saw Dennis's post, looks like we may be on the same page.
DICO is restrained old school Napa cab but it also needs time; I wouldn’t drink any of those wines for awhile.

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#52 Post by B. Buzzini »

Picked up a couple 2017 Frog's Leap to try...little over budget at $49.99! [wow.gif]
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Mich@el Ch@ng wrote: April 22nd, 2021, 12:44 pm
Stan Y. wrote: April 22nd, 2021, 5:48 am
B. Buzzini wrote: April 21st, 2021, 6:04 pm ...I want nice graphite dryness, not too sweet...firm tannins yet silky...varietal correct, yet showing some terroir complexity and uniqueness from the sheep herd...........GO!
I like to follow these threads - looking for the same thing, but am still not sure it really exists like it did in the 80s and 90s. I never buy Bordeaux futures but just picked up some '19 Domaine de Chevalier at $55 for exactly this, except for the Napa Valley part.

I understand the Frog's Leap love given it's restraint and accessibility. Doesn't have much 'graphite dryness' though; 'firm' does not come to mind at all for the current release; and its uniqueness is its understated polish. Ridge is Ridge - baby Monte Bello with way too much oak and tannin for current enjoyment...still have a few 2011-2014s cellared as an experiment and expect they will need 15-20 years (which I guess is better than 30-40 years for Monte Bello).

Based on this topic I need to try Di Constanzo, and maybe the Elyse if it can be found without too much jumping through hoops. I am seeing conflicting notes on the Di Constanzo...AG says "intense with huge depth of fruit" which is normally code for something I will not like at all, but some cellartracker notes mention restraint which bodes well.

Time to open another "best $50 Bordeaux" thread I guess.

Edit: just saw Dennis's post, looks like we may be on the same page.
DICO is restrained old school Napa cab but it also needs time; I wouldn’t drink any of those wines for awhile.
Agreed on the DICO. Had the ‘16 DICO three times in 2020, here is my first note, consistent across all three bottles:

PNP. Lots of funk on opening. Opened up after one hour in the decanter. Delicate nose leading to more intense flavors on the palate. Cassis, blackberry and dark plum. Black cherry. Notes of Mocha and oak and a leathery element. Grippy tannins, nice acidity to provide balance. Great classic style cab. Drink with decant or hold, this is only going to get better.

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Re: Best Calif Cab at $49.95...

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B. Buzzini wrote: April 22nd, 2021, 12:58 pm Picked up a couple 2017 Frog's Leap to try...little over budget at $49.99! [wow.gif]
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Provenance used to be one of my "go-to" napa cabs in the $50'ish range. It's been a few years since I bought a bottle, so I figured I'd check Todays prices. Holyshit...... They sure have gotten quite proud of their juice. Needless to say, not fifty bucks anymore. I then thought of Fieldstone, out in Alexander Valley. I used to get wine from them all the time.... great value. Well crap, looks like the fire took them out and their website is dead. What a shame. Great people, fun place to visit.

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I tried Frog's Leap last fall, I think I picked up the '14 vintage. I didn't find it appealing at all. Maybe I'm not old school Napa

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I had a 2016 DiCo and a 2015 Frogs Leap within a few months of each other. We preferred the DiCo, much more complexity and a way better finish.

Enjoy the 2017 Frogs Leap. Come back and share your thoughts.
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#58 Post by B. Buzzini »

I don’t know...this 16 Ch Chasse Spleen I’m drinkin is SO nice @$41?
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B. Buzzini wrote: April 22nd, 2021, 4:44 pm I don’t know...this 16 Ch Chasse Spleen I’m drinkin is SO nice @$41?
That, sir, is an excellent wine. Much better choice. :)

And you should be able to find it for much less. I bought lots of this.
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Mich@el Ch@ng wrote: April 22nd, 2021, 12:44 pm
Stan Y. wrote: April 22nd, 2021, 5:48 am
B. Buzzini wrote: April 21st, 2021, 6:04 pm ...I want nice graphite dryness, not too sweet...firm tannins yet silky...varietal correct, yet showing some terroir complexity and uniqueness from the sheep herd...........GO!
I like to follow these threads - looking for the same thing, but am still not sure it really exists like it did in the 80s and 90s. I never buy Bordeaux futures but just picked up some '19 Domaine de Chevalier at $55 for exactly this, except for the Napa Valley part.

I understand the Frog's Leap love given it's restraint and accessibility. Doesn't have much 'graphite dryness' though; 'firm' does not come to mind at all for the current release; and its uniqueness is its understated polish. Ridge is Ridge - baby Monte Bello with way too much oak and tannin for current enjoyment...still have a few 2011-2014s cellared as an experiment and expect they will need 15-20 years (which I guess is better than 30-40 years for Monte Bello).

Based on this topic I need to try Di Constanzo, and maybe the Elyse if it can be found without too much jumping through hoops. I am seeing conflicting notes on the Di Constanzo...AG says "intense with huge depth of fruit" which is normally code for something I will not like at all, but some cellartracker notes mention restraint which bodes well.

Time to open another "best $50 Bordeaux" thread I guess.

Edit: just saw Dennis's post, looks like we may be on the same page.
DICO is restrained old school Napa cab but it also needs time; I wouldn’t drink any of those wines for awhile.
I need to try this wine, looks like it ranges around $65 per bottle
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Robert.A.Jr. wrote: April 22nd, 2021, 4:46 pm
Mich@el Ch@ng wrote: April 22nd, 2021, 12:44 pm
Stan Y. wrote: April 22nd, 2021, 5:48 am
I like to follow these threads - looking for the same thing, but am still not sure it really exists like it did in the 80s and 90s. I never buy Bordeaux futures but just picked up some '19 Domaine de Chevalier at $55 for exactly this, except for the Napa Valley part.

I understand the Frog's Leap love given it's restraint and accessibility. Doesn't have much 'graphite dryness' though; 'firm' does not come to mind at all for the current release; and its uniqueness is its understated polish. Ridge is Ridge - baby Monte Bello with way too much oak and tannin for current enjoyment...still have a few 2011-2014s cellared as an experiment and expect they will need 15-20 years (which I guess is better than 30-40 years for Monte Bello).

Based on this topic I need to try Di Constanzo, and maybe the Elyse if it can be found without too much jumping through hoops. I am seeing conflicting notes on the Di Constanzo...AG says "intense with huge depth of fruit" which is normally code for something I will not like at all, but some cellartracker notes mention restraint which bodes well.

Time to open another "best $50 Bordeaux" thread I guess.

Edit: just saw Dennis's post, looks like we may be on the same page.
DICO is restrained old school Napa cab but it also needs time; I wouldn’t drink any of those wines for awhile.
I need to try this wine, looks like it ranges around $65 per bottle
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Scott Brunson wrote: April 22nd, 2021, 4:47 pm
Robert.A.Jr. wrote: April 22nd, 2021, 4:46 pm
Mich@el Ch@ng wrote: April 22nd, 2021, 12:44 pm

DICO is restrained old school Napa cab but it also needs time; I wouldn’t drink any of those wines for awhile.
I need to try this wine, looks like it ranges around $65 per bottle
Birthday gift from Associate?

Dude. If all they get me is a stinkin bottle of $65 Cab, they will be speaking to the hand. Alfert is known to appreciate 18 year old single malts.
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Robert.A.Jr. wrote: April 22nd, 2021, 4:50 pm
Scott Brunson wrote: April 22nd, 2021, 4:47 pm
Robert.A.Jr. wrote: April 22nd, 2021, 4:46 pm

I need to try this wine, looks like it ranges around $65 per bottle
Birthday gift from Associate?

Dude. If all they get me is a stinkin bottle of $65 Cab, they will be speaking to the hand. Alfert is known to appreciate 18 year old single malts.
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Robert.A.Jr. wrote: April 22nd, 2021, 4:46 pm
Mich@el Ch@ng wrote: April 22nd, 2021, 12:44 pm
Stan Y. wrote: April 22nd, 2021, 5:48 am
I like to follow these threads - looking for the same thing, but am still not sure it really exists like it did in the 80s and 90s. I never buy Bordeaux futures but just picked up some '19 Domaine de Chevalier at $55 for exactly this, except for the Napa Valley part.

I understand the Frog's Leap love given it's restraint and accessibility. Doesn't have much 'graphite dryness' though; 'firm' does not come to mind at all for the current release; and its uniqueness is its understated polish. Ridge is Ridge - baby Monte Bello with way too much oak and tannin for current enjoyment...still have a few 2011-2014s cellared as an experiment and expect they will need 15-20 years (which I guess is better than 30-40 years for Monte Bello).

Based on this topic I need to try Di Constanzo, and maybe the Elyse if it can be found without too much jumping through hoops. I am seeing conflicting notes on the Di Constanzo...AG says "intense with huge depth of fruit" which is normally code for something I will not like at all, but some cellartracker notes mention restraint which bodes well.

Time to open another "best $50 Bordeaux" thread I guess.

Edit: just saw Dennis's post, looks like we may be on the same page.
DICO is restrained old school Napa cab but it also needs time; I wouldn’t drink any of those wines for awhile.
I need to try this wine, looks like it ranges around $65 per bottle
Yeah, may want to PM Erin di costanzo on here; she may be able to put together a nice set of wines for you. I think you’d like the entire lineup, certainly farella and dico.

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Scott Brunson wrote: April 22nd, 2021, 4:52 pm
Robert.A.Jr. wrote: April 22nd, 2021, 4:50 pm
Scott Brunson wrote: April 22nd, 2021, 4:47 pm
Birthday gift from Associate?

Dude. If all they get me is a stinkin bottle of $65 Cab, they will be speaking to the hand. Alfert is known to appreciate 18 year old single malts.
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#66 Post by Stan Y. »

No luck on the '18 Elyse Napa locally, although my CA specialist right down the road (rural wine store - gas station that sells live bait if you can imagine that) has Elyse Tietjen '18, but that's $120. If I want a Bevan-made 2018 there, best I can do is Ontogeny, one for the price of 2 :-). That Chasse-Spleen is sounding pretty good.
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Robert.A.Jr. wrote: April 22nd, 2021, 4:55 pm
Scott Brunson wrote: April 22nd, 2021, 4:52 pm
Robert.A.Jr. wrote: April 22nd, 2021, 4:50 pm


Dude. If all they get me is a stinkin bottle of $65 Cab, they will be speaking to the hand. Alfert is known to appreciate 18 year old single malts.
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All I get is coffee mugs and Starbucks gift cards. [wink.gif]
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#68 Post by Robert.A.Jr. »

Joe, my comments were partly in jest. Partly, because these young associates are paid stoopid money. Trust me on that! :)
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#69 Post by Cbonnell »

One specific vintage of Seavey's Caravina is available in that price range. It's surprisingly complex and not just fruit and it's an estate wine which
I like. I get mine via San Diego Wine Co for $39.99 ($85-$100) anywhere else (https://sandiegowine.net/Seavey-2014-Ca ... avina-Cab/).

While I've had a bunch of the Caravan, I've only opened one of my Martin Ray Diamond Districts but I enjoyed it for the price. WineSlash has the 2017 for $45
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Oh I forgot I like the 2018 Mad Hatter blend from Tuck Beckstoffer as well.
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Robert.A.Jr. wrote: April 23rd, 2021, 6:13 am Joe, my comments were partly in jest. Partly, because these young associates are paid stoopid money. Trust me on that! :)
No worries, was trying to give you guys a hard time. Plus I remember being an associate or at least that was the title I had, when I first started out, but that was a while ago and things were different at the time. Can imagine the landscape has changed a lot in 15 years.

Rotating back to the actual thread, the DiCO is quite good and I would recommend the purchase if you are able to acquire them. I imagine the single vineyard Di Costanzo are killer as well, but I have been letting them rest and have not established the courage to open one yet.
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#72 Post by J a y H a c k »

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#73 Post by Mich@el Ch@ng »

Rudius Farella is on wineaccess today so probably <50 with the coupon. I haven’t had this but it’s a very nice site for cab.

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#74 Post by Peter Petersen »

Just bought 6 of the 2016 Domaine Eden Cabernet for $29.99 from K&L.
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Mich@el Ch@ng wrote: April 22nd, 2021, 12:44 pm DICO is restrained old school Napa cab but it also needs time; I wouldn’t drink any of those wines for awhile.
I've been drinking glasses of the 2018 DI CO over the past couple of days using Coravin. Scored a few bottles for $49 on BD12. It is clearly very good stuff, but it needs more time to come together.
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#76 Post by Peter Petersen »

I've tried the '16 and '17 DICOs and I'd not call them restrained. They are excellent, but most definitely full-bodied. Even Ridge seems fuller and richer than they used to be.

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#77 Post by Mike Kuller »

Ed Steinway wrote: April 22nd, 2021, 6:17 am 2015 Ramey Napa Valley is currently at Northern California Costco's for under $50. Ridge Estate, Frog's Leap, Heitz, Smith-Madrone, Freemark Abbey, Keenan --there are quite a few at that price point that would be in the mix.

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Peter Petersen wrote: April 23rd, 2021, 9:54 am I've tried the '16 and '17 DICOs and I'd not call them restrained. They are excellent, but most definitely full-bodied. Even Ridge seems fuller and richer than they used to be.
Full-bodied compared to what?

Compare dicostanzo’s wines from similar vineyards.

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#79 Post by Richard Jen »

Peter Petersen wrote: April 23rd, 2021, 9:44 am Just bought 6 of the 2016 Mount Eden Cabernet for $29.99 from K&L.
I got so excited... but it's really Domaine Eden right? Still a good deal though.
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#80 Post by John Glas »

Used to be for me Anderson's Valley Reserve but that is over $50 and the Right Bank is more Merlot.

Usually on sale I can get Ridge Cab for $50.

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#81 Post by John Glas »

If you opened this up to Washington State you would get more bang for the buck under $50.

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#82 Post by Brent Fraker »

Richard Jen wrote: April 23rd, 2021, 10:20 am
Peter Petersen wrote: April 23rd, 2021, 9:44 am Just bought 6 of the 2016 Mount Eden Cabernet for $29.99 from K&L.
I got so excited... but it's really Domaine Eden right? Still a good deal though.
Correct, Domaine Eden. A great deal on a wine that usually retails in the $45-$50 range.

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#83 Post by Ed Steinway »

Mike Kuller wrote:
I picked up a 2015 Ramey for our group's blind tasting of cabs. It came in last.
Interesting. I have not had the 2015 but really enjoyed the 2014. Would love to hear what the other wines in the group were, Mike.

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#84 Post by S teve R edenbaugh »

okay....Binny's current sale price for 2017 Ridge Cabernet is $55...a no brainer for me...and I am feeling some love for the Sandar and Hem Bates Ranch Cab for $62.

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#85 Post by John Telford »

John Glas wrote: April 23rd, 2021, 3:27 pm If you opened this up to Washington State you would get more bang for the buck under $50.
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#86 Post by Peter Petersen »

Mich@el Ch@ng wrote: April 23rd, 2021, 10:10 am
Peter Petersen wrote: April 23rd, 2021, 9:54 am I've tried the '16 and '17 DICOs and I'd not call them restrained. They are excellent, but most definitely full-bodied. Even Ridge seems fuller and richer than they used to be.
Full-bodied compared to what?

Compare dicostanzo’s wines from similar vineyards.
Well, I’m not taking Farella, just the DICO. Nor am I saying it is fuller than many others, but that doesn’t make like a single young cab from late ‘70s and ‘80s.
Btw I’ve nothing the style either, it’s an excellent wine as I said.

Now for something fairly classic I’d say ‘19 Bedrock Cab for $30 is a winner. Outstanding wine.

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Re: Best Calif Cab at $49.95...

#87 Post by Robert.A.Jr. »

Brent Fraker wrote: April 23rd, 2021, 4:14 pm
Richard Jen wrote: April 23rd, 2021, 10:20 am
Peter Petersen wrote: April 23rd, 2021, 9:44 am Just bought 6 of the 2016 Mount Eden Cabernet for $29.99 from K&L.
I got so excited... but it's really Domaine Eden right? Still a good deal though.
Correct, Domaine Eden. A great deal on a wine that usually retails in the $45-$50 range.
I really liked that 2016
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Re: Best Calif Cab at $49.95...

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Chr!s G|@rn3r wrote: April 21st, 2021, 7:44 pm
Albert R wrote: April 21st, 2021, 7:39 pm
Chr!s G|@rn3r wrote: April 21st, 2021, 7:29 pm

Where are you all buying this? I emailed the winery and they said it is not released yet...
You need to become a member. PM Cheryl Foil. She has been active here.
I did sign up for an account and the mailing list through a link provided by Cheryl but haven’t received any offer details yet.

I did not join the “club” with auto shipments twice a year so maybe that is the only way to get these right now.
Hi Chris - I'm so, so sorry! I've been totally buried in upgrading our website/purchase system. We're a small team, and the interest in the 2018s started before we were ready for it. The 2018 cab sauvs and zins are not released yet. The club did get a "preview" of some of the 2018s this past Spring (which we like to do when there is enough wine for the club), but the club is not the only way to get them. The 2018 Napa Cab and a small amount of 2018 Dry Creek Petite Sirah will be available as soon as I finish that darn aforementioned website upgrade, and the rest of the 2018s will release in the Fall. I'll reply to your e-mail now and make sure you can place an order if you'd still like to!
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Re: Best Calif Cab at $49.95...

#89 Post by Chr!s G|@rn3r »

cherylfoil wrote: April 23rd, 2021, 7:05 pm
Chr!s G|@rn3r wrote: April 21st, 2021, 7:44 pm
Albert R wrote: April 21st, 2021, 7:39 pm

You need to become a member. PM Cheryl Foil. She has been active here.
I did sign up for an account and the mailing list through a link provided by Cheryl but haven’t received any offer details yet.

I did not join the “club” with auto shipments twice a year so maybe that is the only way to get these right now.
Hi Chris - I'm so, so sorry! I've been totally buried in upgrading our website/purchase system. We're a small team, and the interest in the 2018s started before we were ready for it. The 2018 cab sauvs and zins are not released yet. The club did get a "preview" of some of the 2018s this past Spring (which we like to do when there is enough wine for the club), but the club is not the only way to get them. The 2018 Napa Cab and a small amount of 2018 Dry Creek Petite Sirah will be available as soon as I finish that darn aforementioned website upgrade, and the rest of the 2018s will release in the Fall. I'll reply to your e-mail now and make sure you can place an order if you'd still like to!
Thank you so much for your excellent customer service and clarification! I replied to your email and really appreciate your response.

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Re: Best Calif Cab at $49.95...

#90 Post by chris.p »

Teeter-Totter, if you can find a good deal, its price could be below 50, but usually it's 65.
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#91 Post by Josh Grossman »

Is there a reason Chateau Souverain Winemaker's Reserve never makes these lists?

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I’m not sure I understand the frog’s leap love. There’s nothing wrong with it, certainly, but I’ve always viewed it as something to order at a steakhouse that doesn’t allow corkage if you don’t want to ball out for a big time cab rather than something I’d open at home.

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John Telford wrote: April 23rd, 2021, 6:28 pm
John Glas wrote: April 23rd, 2021, 3:27 pm If you opened this up to Washington State you would get more bang for the buck under $50.
Give me a name!
You can find Andrew Will Champoux and Ciel Du Cheval for around $50, which for me provide crazy QPR. They're both Bordeaux blends, but still give all that Cab character. Some others that I like around that price or under from Washington - Tranche, Jb Neunfeld, Cadence, Sleight of Hand - all great juice.
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Re: Best Calif Cab at $49.95...

#94 Post by Albert R »

Mich@el Ch@ng wrote: April 24th, 2021, 5:02 am I’m not sure I understand the frog’s leap love. There’s nothing wrong with it, certainly, but I’ve always viewed it as something to order at a steakhouse that doesn’t allow corkage if you don’t want to ball out for a big time cab rather than something I’d open at home.
I hear ya Michael. I like it but don’t love it. It’s not memorable for me and kind of meh. As I mentioned previously, to me it lacks structure, complexity and it does not finish strong.
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#95 Post by Mich@el Ch@ng »

Quilceda CVR too

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#96 Post by Mich@el Ch@ng »

Albert R wrote: April 24th, 2021, 5:36 am
Mich@el Ch@ng wrote: April 24th, 2021, 5:02 am I’m not sure I understand the frog’s leap love. There’s nothing wrong with it, certainly, but I’ve always viewed it as something to order at a steakhouse that doesn’t allow corkage if you don’t want to ball out for a big time cab rather than something I’d open at home.
I hear ya Michael. I like it but don’t love it. It’s not memorable for me and kind of meh. As I mentioned previously, to me it lacks structure, complexity and it does not finish strong.
Yeah, comparing it to that Elyse isn’t fair. That’s a wine I’d happily open for Napa cult cab lovers blind and be amused at their responses at the price. I’m gonna stick it into a Maybach, Macdonald, Scarecrow blind tasting this spring.

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Re: Best Calif Cab at $49.95...

#97 Post by Albert R »

Mich@el Ch@ng wrote: April 24th, 2021, 5:38 am
Albert R wrote: April 24th, 2021, 5:36 am
Mich@el Ch@ng wrote: April 24th, 2021, 5:02 am I’m not sure I understand the frog’s leap love. There’s nothing wrong with it, certainly, but I’ve always viewed it as something to order at a steakhouse that doesn’t allow corkage if you don’t want to ball out for a big time cab rather than something I’d open at home.
I hear ya Michael. I like it but don’t love it. It’s not memorable for me and kind of meh. As I mentioned previously, to me it lacks structure, complexity and it does not finish strong.
Yeah, comparing it to that Elyse isn’t fair. That’s a wine I’d happily open for Napa cult cab lovers blind and be amused at their responses at the price. I’m gonna stick it into a Maybach, Macdonald, Scarecrow blind tasting this spring.
That tasting line-up sounds great! I have not tried the 2018 Elyse yet. How much of a decant do you recommend?
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#98 Post by Stan Y. »

Mich@el Ch@ng wrote: April 24th, 2021, 5:02 am I’m not sure I understand the frog’s leap love. There’s nothing wrong with it, certainly, but I’ve always viewed it as something to order at a steakhouse that doesn’t allow corkage if you don’t want to ball out for a big time cab rather than something I’d open at home.
For my taste I agree, at least for 2017...red-fruited and quite medium bodied. For Napa cab I like more 'graphite dryness', firmness, and black fruit, still restrained.

This thread got me looking at my favorite local shop and came up with 2017 Enfield Waterhorse Ridge to try (Sonoma though, and $55 rather than $50).
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Re: Best Calif Cab at $49.95...

#99 Post by Michael Feldman »

Stan Y. wrote: April 24th, 2021, 6:10 am
Mich@el Ch@ng wrote: April 24th, 2021, 5:02 am I’m not sure I understand the frog’s leap love. There’s nothing wrong with it, certainly, but I’ve always viewed it as something to order at a steakhouse that doesn’t allow corkage if you don’t want to ball out for a big time cab rather than something I’d open at home.
For my taste I agree, at least for 2017...red-fruited and quite medium bodied. For Napa cab I like more 'graphite dryness', firmness, and black fruit, still restrained.

This thread got me looking at my favorite local shop and came up with 2017 Enfield Waterhorse Ridge to try (Sonoma though, and $55 rather than $50).
I have tasted the 2017 Frogs Leap (was selling for $38 at Pa wine stores) and I have tasted the 2017 Enfield Waterhouse Ridge (ordered from winery based on fab reviews on this site). I enjoyed both but the Enfield is far more restrained.

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Re: Best Calif Cab at $49.95...

#100 Post by Mich@el Ch@ng »

Albert R wrote: April 24th, 2021, 6:09 am
Mich@el Ch@ng wrote: April 24th, 2021, 5:38 am
Albert R wrote: April 24th, 2021, 5:36 am

I hear ya Michael. I like it but don’t love it. It’s not memorable for me and kind of meh. As I mentioned previously, to me it lacks structure, complexity and it does not finish strong.
Yeah, comparing it to that Elyse isn’t fair. That’s a wine I’d happily open for Napa cult cab lovers blind and be amused at their responses at the price. I’m gonna stick it into a Maybach, Macdonald, Scarecrow blind tasting this spring.
That tasting line-up sounds great! I have not tried the 2018 Elyse yet. How much of a decant do you recommend?
I poured it in the decanter and poured a glass out of there and it was delicious, but got better with time. My notes on it are in the 2018 Elyse thread David bueker started.

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