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#1 Post by Michael Acheson »

Moving this over from the Nerello Mascalese thread for obvious reasons :)


In no particular order, here’s my personal Pantheon:

* Benanti “Pietramarina” Etna Bianco Superiore
* Marisa Cuomo “Fiorduva”
* Tiberio “Fonte Canale” Trebbiano d’Abruzzo
* San Lorenzo “Il San Lorenzo” Marche Bianco
* Gini “Salvarenza” Soave


Honorable mention/demi-god status goes to:
* Emilio Pepe, Pecorino
* Lambruschi “Costa Marina”
* Cantina Terlan “I Grandi”
* Pietracupa “Cupo”


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Pretty simple list here -

ROBERTO ZENI Pinot Bianco
SILVIO JERMANN Vintage Tunina
MACULAN Pinot & Toi
MASTROBERARDINO Greco di Tufo
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In no particular order:

Walter Massa Derthona Sterpi & Costa del Vento - Timorasso might just be the greatest white variety in Italy and Massa is the master of the variety; his single-vineyard bottlings are just stupendous.
Cantina Terlan Pinot Bianco Vorberg - these wines might be quite blocky for the first 5 years, but they can become magical after 15-20 years of aging.
Suavia Massifitti - easily one of the greatest Soave Classicos, even though they can label it as IGT wine, since it's 100% Trebbiano di Soave, not Garganega.
San Lorenzo Verdicchio dei Castelli di Jesi Riserva Vigna delle Oche - Marche Verdicchios are consistently some of the greatest whites in Italy and I had trouble which to decide; I'd say this is the one that trumps the rest.
Anything by Nicola Manferrari (Borgo del Tiglio). Outrageously impressive Friuli whites, world-class wines.

Honorable mentions:
La Distesa Gli Eremi & Sartarelli Balciana / Tralivio - two outstanding Verdicchios that were fighting for the top place with San Lorenzo.
Anything by Edi Kante - exquisite and exceptionally long-lived whites from Friuli. Definitely top of his game.
Nals-Margreid Pinot Bianco Sirmian - perhaps the world's second best Pinot Blanc (defeated only by Cantina Terlan's Vorberg)?
All the Montenidoli whites from San Gimignano.
Joaquin JQN 203 Piante a Lapio - one of the most distinctive whites to come from Italy; probably not everybody's cup of tea, but exceptional all the same.

And then of course the skin-contact whites from the likes of:
Foradori
Gravner
Princic
Skerk
Radikon
...but I guess they're a different topic altogether :D
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Otto Forsberg wrote: March 15th, 2021, 12:54 am In no particular order:

Walter Massa Derthona Sterpi & Costa del Vento - Timorasso might just be the greatest white variety in Italy and Massa is the master of the variety; his single-vineyard bottlings are just stupendous.
Cantina Terlan Pinot Bianco Vorberg - these wines might be quite blocky for the first 5 years, but they can become magical after 15-20 years of aging.
Suavia Massifitti - easily one of the greatest Soave Classicos, even though they can label it as IGT wine, since it's 100% Trebbiano di Soave, not Garganega.
San Lorenzo Verdicchio dei Castelli di Jesi Riserva Vigna delle Oche - Marche Verdicchios are consistently some of the greatest whites in Italy and I had trouble which to decide; I'd say this is the one that trumps the rest.
Anything by Nicola Manferrari (Borgo del Tiglio). Outrageously impressive Friuli whites, world-class wines.

Honorable mentions:
La Distesa Gli Eremi & Sartarelli Balciana / Tralivio - two outstanding Verdicchios that were fighting for the top place with San Lorenzo.
Anything by Edi Kante - exquisite and exceptionally long-lived whites from Friuli. Definitely top of his game.
Nals-Margreid Pinot Bianco Sirmian - perhaps the world's second best Pinot Blanc (defeated only by Cantina Terlan's Vorberg)?
All the Montenidoli whites from San Gimignano.
Joaquin JQN 203 Piante a Lapio - one of the most distinctive whites to come from Italy; probably not everybody's cup of tea, but exceptional all the same.

And then of course the skin-contact whites from the likes of:
Foradori
Gravner
Princic
Skerk
Radikon
...but I guess they're a different topic altogether :D

Otto,
Have you had Vietti’s Timorasso yet? I’m really curious to see what it’s all about.
Glad to see your love for San Lorenzo. Great producer across the spectrum of their whites and reds.
Love Montenidoli as well.
And yeah I stayed away from Orange wine discussion here, room for another thread altogether! I’d add Damijan to your list there but that’s already a Murderer’s Row!
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Valentini ( especially old ones ) in a league of his own .
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Ciro picariello 906
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San Lorenzo "Il San Lorenzo" and all Borgo del Tiglio, especially with age.

Then the rest.
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Michael Acheson wrote: March 15th, 2021, 5:03 am Otto,
Have you had Vietti’s Timorasso yet? I’m really curious to see what it’s all about.
Alas, I have not. The only Langhe producer's Timorasso I've tasted is Roagna Montemarzino. A nice wine, but lacking the depth and character of the best Tortonian producers.

I'm also keeping an eye on Scarpa, because to my understanding they've planted some Timorasso in Monferrato, which sounds intriguing! Although I've tasted a good handful of Timorasso, every single one of them has been from Tortona (as is that Vietti Timorasso, if I understood correctly).
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Lorenzo F wrote: March 15th, 2021, 5:10 am Valentini ( especially old ones ) in a league of his own .
Miani friulano
Villa bucci
Ciro picariello 906

I haven't managed to find any older bottles of Valentini whites, and fear that they're now out of reach price-wise. And OH YEAH That Ciro Picariello "906" is SO GOOD. We've got the 2013 in Magnums and I feel like that wine is a total steal. Yum!
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#9 Post by loren.grossman »

I would certainly consider the vitovska of Vodopivec in the mix, unless as suggested there is a separate category for skin contact.

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#10 Post by Jonathan Jaggers »

I have three that I come back to a lot: DaMilano Langhe Arneis, Radikon Slatnik, and Pieropan Soave.

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Michael Acheson wrote: March 15th, 2021, 6:20 am
Lorenzo F wrote: March 15th, 2021, 5:10 am Valentini ( especially old ones ) in a league of his own .
Miani friulano
Villa bucci
Ciro picariello 906

I haven't managed to find any older bottles of Valentini whites, and fear that they're now out of reach price-wise. And OH YEAH That Ciro Picariello "906" is SO GOOD. We've got the 2013 in Magnums and I feel like that wine is a total steal. Yum!
Old Valentini are not cheap but they are an experience both trebbiano and cerasuolo . I tried a 2000 not long ago it was majestic . That said I have no problem admitting that we really struggle to compete with our french neighbors as well German Riesling when it comes to whites .
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Lorenzo F wrote: March 15th, 2021, 8:22 am
Michael Acheson wrote: March 15th, 2021, 6:20 am
Lorenzo F wrote: March 15th, 2021, 5:10 am Valentini ( especially old ones ) in a league of his own .
Miani friulano
Villa bucci
Ciro picariello 906

I haven't managed to find any older bottles of Valentini whites, and fear that they're now out of reach price-wise. And OH YEAH That Ciro Picariello "906" is SO GOOD. We've got the 2013 in Magnums and I feel like that wine is a total steal. Yum!
Old Valentini are not cheap but they are an experience both trebbiano and cerasuolo . I tried a 2000 not long ago it was majestic . That said I have no problem admitting that we really struggle to compete with our french neighbors as well German Riesling when it comes to whites .

Your comment regarding "struggling to compete" is kind of a loaded concept though. On the one hand, I agree as far as wines at the TOP end of the price/ageing spectrum are concerned. I used to run a very large Italian wine program in a restaurant and we struggled to list enough "prestige" and expensive white wines to slake the budgetary thirst of those who wanted to splash some serious coin, to the point where we kept white Burg off the list to deploy for those moments.

At the same time, I think the French in particular aren't even playing the same sport as the Italians when it comes to great everyday drinking white wines for the $/quality ratio. I know that I can spend under $20 retail (american dollar in the american market [NYC specifically, so YMMV depending on locale]) and have a WEALTH of excellent Italian options at hand, while in France entire regions are inaccessible.

So i guess it kinda depends on your priorities. I rather like knowing that Pietramarina is $90, and a white Burg of equal quality is easily $200+ :)
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I have had some excellent bottles of Quintarelli Secco Bianco Ca del Merlo. Probably in my top 5.
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Sarah Kirschbaum wrote: March 15th, 2021, 5:30 am San Lorenzo "Il San Lorenzo" and all Borgo del Tiglio, especially with age.

Then the rest.

Hi Sarah,
I'm curious, how were you turned on to the "Il San Lorenzo" bianco? Have you had the Rosso as well? They're such insanely cool wines, but I feel like they're flying wayyyy below the radar.
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#15 Post by Jason L. »

not 5, but then, i quite like Italian white wine

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Michael Acheson wrote: March 15th, 2021, 9:37 am
Sarah Kirschbaum wrote: March 15th, 2021, 5:30 am San Lorenzo "Il San Lorenzo" and all Borgo del Tiglio, especially with age.

Then the rest.

Hi Sarah,
I'm curious, how were you turned on to the "Il San Lorenzo" bianco? Have you had the Rosso as well? They're such insanely cool wines, but I feel like they're flying wayyyy below the radar.
Best,
m
We've been drinking it for years since we found it on the list at a local top Italian restaurant and started seeking it out on our own. The restaurant couldn't move it - who pays that much for verdicchio, right? I don't like the rosso nearly as much. It's fine, but much more generic and less interesting to me. It's also a magical food wine.
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This Verdicchio from San Lorenzo was one of the fun highlight wines of the trip last time we were in Italy. Was not familiar with the wine, and was smitten sitting outside at La Sosta in Montalcino on a hot afternoon. Recommended to me by the shop owner. Unfortunately, it is not easy to find in the states.
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Two more, thanks to Francesco Grosso at Marea, years ago

Manni Nossing Kerner
Punta Crena Mataossu

both revelatory whites and revelatory values.

One producer that seems to come up on the italian white list that I dont have expereince with is Cantina Terlano. the Vorberg is supposed to be very fine. Any comments on Terlano?
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rob klafter wrote: March 15th, 2021, 10:25 am Two more, thanks to Francesco Grosso at Marea, years ago

Manni Nossing Kerner
Punta Crena Mataossu

both revelatory whites and revelatory values.

One producer that seems to come up on the italian white list that I dont have expereince with is Cantina Terlano. the Vorberg is supposed to be very fine. Any comments on Terlano?
One of the world's best co-ops with Produttori del Barbaresco and Domäne Wachau. Vorberg is top-tier stuff by any standards, but most of their wines throughout the ranges are very solid stuff and real bang for the buck. I prefer the whites to the reds, mind you.
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Edi Kante from Trieste are making some fine white’s too.

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The Monteraponi Trebbiano is great, but not a bargain.

I recently had a 2015 Vittorio Graziano Trebbiano Tarbianaaz that was cloudy, rich with candied orange and the good kind of funk. Ever changing, amazing wine. Advertised as a 2018, but stamped
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Dennis Atick wrote: March 15th, 2021, 9:52 am This Verdicchio from San Lorenzo was one of the fun highlight wines of the trip last time we were in Italy. Was not familiar with the wine, and was smitten sitting outside at La Sosta in Montalcino on a hot afternoon. Recommended to me by the shop owner. Unfortunately, it is not easy to find in the states.

Hi Dennis,
I know in NY and the West Coast it’s brought in by Indie Wines. Such a delicious bottle and an overperformer for the money for sure!
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The Italian whites I drink tend to be lower end on the price scale. I am a big fan of Villa Bucci Verdicchio having had multiple vintages over the years. Tonight we are having a Fiano from Campania we have not yet tried: Colli di Lapio Fiano di Avellino. I am interested in drinking more Italian whites in general so I am really enjoying this thread.
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Michael Acheson wrote: March 15th, 2021, 9:16 am
Lorenzo F wrote: March 15th, 2021, 8:22 am
Michael Acheson wrote: March 15th, 2021, 6:20 am


I haven't managed to find any older bottles of Valentini whites, and fear that they're now out of reach price-wise. And OH YEAH That Ciro Picariello "906" is SO GOOD. We've got the 2013 in Magnums and I feel like that wine is a total steal. Yum!
Old Valentini are not cheap but they are an experience both trebbiano and cerasuolo . I tried a 2000 not long ago it was majestic . That said I have no problem admitting that we really struggle to compete with our french neighbors as well German Riesling when it comes to whites .

Your comment regarding "struggling to compete" is kind of a loaded concept though. On the one hand, I agree as far as wines at the TOP end of the price/ageing spectrum are concerned. I used to run a very large Italian wine program in a restaurant and we struggled to list enough "prestige" and expensive white wines to slake the budgetary thirst of those who wanted to splash some serious coin, to the point where we kept white Burg off the list to deploy for those moments.

At the same time, I think the French in particular aren't even playing the same sport as the Italians when it comes to great everyday drinking white wines for the $/quality ratio. I know that I can spend under $20 retail (american dollar in the american market [NYC specifically, so YMMV depending on locale]) and have a WEALTH of excellent Italian options at hand, while in France entire regions are inaccessible.

So i guess it kinda depends on your priorities. I rather like knowing that Pietramarina is $90, and a white Burg of equal quality is easily $200+ :)
Exactly what I meant . I agree with everything that you said . I wished we were a bit closer when it came to excellence .
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#25 Post by Andrew A r n t f i e l d »

A few of these have already been mentioned:
  • Bruno Giacosa Roero Arneis
  • Giuseppe Quintarelli Bianco Secco Ca del Merlo
  • Tenuta delle Terre Nere Etna Bianco - the two single vineyard bottlings: Santo Spirito and Calderara Sottana
  • Azienda Agricola Valentini Trebbiano d'Abruzzo
  • Edi Kante Vitovska Selezione (a relatively recent discovery)
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  • Elena Walch Beyond the Clouds
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#26 Post by G. Bienstock »

I have been appreciating the whites more over the last couple of years. Food friendly, unoaked and priced well.

Last night I opened 2018 Bibi Graetz Casamatta, a Vermentino heavy blend. Going back for a case for $6 a pop on closeout.
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#27 Post by Gregory Dal Piaz »

Wines that I currently buy the most of, so they must be the best.

Terlan Pinot Bianco Vorberg

Guido Marsella Fiano di Avellino

Elvio Cogno Nascetta Anas-Cetta

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Gregory Dal Piaz wrote: March 15th, 2021, 4:39 pm Wines that I currently buy the most of, so they must be the best.

Terlan Pinot Bianco Vorberg

Guido Marsella Fiano di Avellino

Elvio Cogno Nascetta Anas-Cetta

Pieropan Soave Classico Calvarino

Tiefenbrunner Müller-Thurgau Feldmarschall von Fenner
All the other wines are terrific, but I must say that of the wines I've tasted, Cogno's Nascetta is one of the less thrilling examples of this rare variety. I love Nascetta and I appreciate how they've managed to bring this nigh-extinct variety back to life and popularity, at least to some extent.

However, Cogno's Nascetta has been rather herbal and, at times, even Sauvignon Blanc-ish in style, combined with a little bit of reduction. On the other hand, its overall style seems to promise some aging potential, so it's possible that I've just had the wine way too young and it'd show much better at 10 years of age (like so many other Italian whites do). But for immediate consumption I'd say there are better Nascettas out there!
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Glenn P. wrote: March 15th, 2021, 1:36 pm The Italian whites I drink tend to be lower end on the price scale. I am a big fan of Villa Bucci Verdicchio having had multiple vintages over the years. Tonight we are having a Fiano from Campania we have not yet tried: Colli di Lapio Fiano di Avellino. I am interested in drinking more Italian whites in general so I am really enjoying this thread.

Colli di Lapio is so so so yummy! I suggest you check out Pietracupa as well. And if you want to splurge a little, Quintodecimo. But Colli di Lapio, man those wines are good.
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rob klafter wrote: March 15th, 2021, 10:25 am Two more, thanks to Francesco Grosso at Marea, years ago

Manni Nossing Kerner
Punta Crena Mataossu

both revelatory whites and revelatory values.

One producer that seems to come up on the italian white list that I dont have expereince with is Cantina Terlano. the Vorberg is supposed to be very fine. Any comments on Terlano?
In addition to Otto’s notes, you might want to check out their “Nova Domus”. It’s a bit out there for sure, and kinda pricey, but in certain vintages it’s really good and super interesting. Kind of a wild blend of PB, SB, and Sauv Blanc, and lots of fun.
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#31 Post by Dan Kravitz »

I am totally unqualified to post on this topic, which of course won't stop me:

Terlano Pinot Bianco Vorberg - for me, stands alone

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#32 Post by Michael Acheson »

Dan Kravitz wrote: March 15th, 2021, 7:20 pm I am totally unqualified to post on this topic, which of course won't stop me:

Terlano Pinot Bianco Vorberg - for me, stands alone

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Vintage Tunina
Onze Communes Petite Arvine
Pieropan Soave

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I think the Vorberg is the most mentioned wine in this entire thread. Pieropan Soaves (Soavii?) are delicious. Their Recioto is memorable as well but I haven’t seen it in ages.
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#33 Post by Gregory Dal Piaz »

Otto Forsberg wrote: March 15th, 2021, 5:11 pm
Gregory Dal Piaz wrote: March 15th, 2021, 4:39 pm Wines that I currently buy the most of, so they must be the best.

Terlan Pinot Bianco Vorberg

Guido Marsella Fiano di Avellino

Elvio Cogno Nascetta Anas-Cetta

Pieropan Soave Classico Calvarino

Tiefenbrunner Müller-Thurgau Feldmarschall von Fenner
All the other wines are terrific, but I must say that of the wines I've tasted, Cogno's Nascetta is one of the less thrilling examples of this rare variety. I love Nascetta and I appreciate how they've managed to bring this nigh-extinct variety back to life and popularity, at least to some extent.

However, Cogno's Nascetta has been rather herbal and, at times, even Sauvignon Blanc-ish in style, combined with a little bit of reduction. On the other hand, its overall style seems to promise some aging potential, so it's possible that I've just had the wine way too young and it'd show much better at 10 years of age (like so many other Italian whites do). But for immediate consumption I'd say there are better Nascettas out there!
Bingo!

I have been lucky enough to taste the Cogno Nascetta from the first vintages, and have been even luckier to taste them as they have aged. I agree that when young they can be unremarkable, I went so far as to call the early vintages the Pinotage of white wines, there was some similarity. However, with 8-10 years of age the wines transformed, and the most recent vintages have shown a marked improvement in quality over the first vintages so I expect even better results in due time. I am buying these wines to age, so Ill report back in 5 years or so, based on what I've tasted with Valter I expect to be sharing positive news.
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Gregory Dal Piaz wrote: March 16th, 2021, 3:30 am Bingo!

I have been lucky enough to taste the Cogno Nascetta from the first vintages, and have been even luckier to taste them as they have aged. I agree that when young they can be unremarkable, I went so far as to call the early vintages the Pinotage of white wines, there was some similarity. However, with 8-10 years of age the wines transformed, and the most recent vintages have shown a marked improvement in quality over the first vintages so I expect even better results in due time. I am buying these wines to age, so Ill report back in 5 years or so, based on what I've tasted with Valter I expect to be sharing positive news.
I'm happy to see my hunch was right! I'll be waiting for your report and perhaps I'll need to stash away some bottles myself, if I manage to find those wines somewhere. It's not as if it would be particularly easy to get one's hands on a Nascetta!
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Lorenzo F wrote: March 15th, 2021, 8:22 amThat said I have no problem admitting that we really struggle to compete with our french neighbors as well German Riesling when it comes to whites .
With all due respect, I don't think this is a particularly useful way of approaching the issue. Apples and oranges.

Something I came across in Bastianich & Lynch's Vino Italiano quite a while ago probably says it best (not that it matters specifically, but I think they're talking about Val d'Aosta). Are these wines "world class" (whatever that means...)? Probably not. But then, there's nothing else in the world to compare them to.
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Shouldn't be surprised (and I am not) to see the same suspects showing up again and again. This kind of thread is renewed every year (maybe half year) and the list really hasn't changed in about 10-15 years, showing the longevity and legacy of these producers making the best wine year-in and year-out. My only disappointment is the chance to see someone new. I will admit the Nascetta's are a new addition, so...thanks!
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Tvrtko C. wrote: March 17th, 2021, 10:36 am
Lorenzo F wrote: March 15th, 2021, 8:22 amThat said I have no problem admitting that we really struggle to compete with our french neighbors as well German Riesling when it comes to whites .
With all due respect, I don't think this is a particularly useful way of approaching the issue. Apples and oranges.

Something I came across in Bastianich & Lynch's Vino Italiano quite a while ago probably says it best (not that it matters specifically, but I think they're talking about Val d'Aosta). Are these wines "world class" (whatever that means...)? Probably not. But then, there's nothing else in the world to compare them to.
Ok , there are exceptions . But when it comes to chardonnay , sauvignon blanc and Riesling I just don't think we play the same sport when it comes to top end products . Happy to be proven wrong one day . :)
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My favorites so far:

Benito Ferrara Greco di Tufo Vigna Cicogna
Pieropan Soave Classico Calvarino
Cantina Terlan Pinot Bianco Terlano Riserva Vorberg
Kellerei Nals-Margreid Pinot Bianco Alto Adige - Südtirol Sirmian
Tiberio Trebbiano d'Abruzzo Fonte Canale
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Lorenzo F wrote: March 17th, 2021, 1:17 pm
Tvrtko C. wrote: March 17th, 2021, 10:36 am
Lorenzo F wrote: March 15th, 2021, 8:22 amThat said I have no problem admitting that we really struggle to compete with our french neighbors as well German Riesling when it comes to whites .
With all due respect, I don't think this is a particularly useful way of approaching the issue. Apples and oranges.

Something I came across in Bastianich & Lynch's Vino Italiano quite a while ago probably says it best (not that it matters specifically, but I think they're talking about Val d'Aosta). Are these wines "world class" (whatever that means...)? Probably not. But then, there's nothing else in the world to compare them to.
Ok , there are exceptions . But when it comes to chardonnay , sauvignon blanc and Riesling I just don't think we play the same sport when it comes to top end products . Happy to be proven wrong one day . :)
Lol that is true. Haven't been particularly thrilled by any Italian Riesling and most Chardonnays have been quite anonymous as well. Probably the best results I've seen with Sauvignon Blanc when vinified with the skins, but when it comes to traditional white wines, neighboring countries France and Austria do give quite tough competition.

But when it comes white wines in general, most of the wines listed in this thread are easily world-class wines. Who cares about Riesling, Chardonnay or Sauvignon Blanc, when the best Italian indigenous varieties can offer such pleasure?
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Lorenzo F wrote: March 17th, 2021, 1:17 pmOk , there are exceptions . But when it comes to chardonnay , sauvignon blanc and Riesling I just don't think we play the same sport when it comes to top end products . Happy to be proven wrong one day . :)
Lorenzo, frankly, I can hardly imagine that anyone in France or Germany is feeling particularly crestfallen because they don't make great Timorasso, Fiano, Vernaccia, whatever... A ciascuno il suo :-)
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Michael Acheson wrote: March 14th, 2021, 8:12 pm Benanti “Pietramarina” Etna Bianco Superiore
If we're talking older vintages of Pietramarina (prior to, say, 2012, off the top of my head), I wholeheartedly agree. More recent vintages, however, feel like a very different wine to me, and, while it's certainly still very good, I just don't like it nearly as much as I used to.
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Miani Friulano
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Marko Fon Malvazija (Slovenian but only a couple miles from the border. Quite possibly my favorite white wine period.)
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Tvrtko C. wrote: March 18th, 2021, 8:50 am
Michael Acheson wrote: March 14th, 2021, 8:12 pm Benanti “Pietramarina” Etna Bianco Superiore
If we're talking older vintages of Pietramarina (prior to, say, 2012, off the top of my head), I wholeheartedly agree. More recent vintages, however, feel like a very different wine to me, and, while it's certainly still very good, I just don't like it nearly as much as I used to.

The 2001 is perhaps the most thrilling Italian white wine I can ever recall drinking.
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Michael Acheson wrote: March 18th, 2021, 4:58 pmThe 2001 is perhaps the most thrilling Italian white wine I can ever recall drinking.
You can say that again... Along with '95 and '04, in my experience. Should have bought all that I could when I could, one of my biggest regrets. As things are, I have maybe a lone bottle of '04 somewhere in the cellar. Luckily, more of some other back vintages as well. While perhaps not quite at the same level as those three, most are still truly outstanding wines by any standard.
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As I recall, Kevin Harvey said (or perhaps just intimated) in a post on this forum some years ago that winemaker Salvo Foti parted ways with Benanti in or around 2010 and took the Pietramarina carricante vineyard sources with him to his I Vigneri project, where they now are used for the Vigna de Milo. Does anyone think Vigna de Milo is at the quality level of Pietramarina?
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Michael Acheson wrote: March 15th, 2021, 10:23 pm
Dan Kravitz wrote: March 15th, 2021, 7:20 pm I am totally unqualified to post on this topic, which of course won't stop me:

Terlano Pinot Bianco Vorberg - for me, stands alone

Beyond the Clouds
Vintage Tunina
Onze Communes Petite Arvine
Pieropan Soave

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I think the Vorberg is the most mentioned wine in this entire thread. Pieropan Soaves (Soavii?) are delicious. Their Recioto is memorable as well but I haven’t seen it in ages.
I seem to be the odd man out, in that I think the Terlano Sauvignon Winkl is on an even footing with the Vorberg. But then, I haven't aged the Vorberg, so maybe I just need to wait on the bottles I've got in the cellar. Both wines are fantastic, though. The whole lineup, really, the entry level whites are very well worth drinking.

I'll start my list with the two Terlano wines and fill it out with

Jermann -- Vintage Tunina
Tiberio -- Fonte Canale
Walch -- Beyond the Clouds

But it's hard to choose, as there are just so many first rate Italian whites that are such bargains.

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Joe W i n o g r a d wrote: March 19th, 2021, 10:44 am As I recall, Kevin Harvey said (or perhaps just intimated) in a post on this forum some years ago that winemaker Salvo Foti parted ways with Benanti in or around 2010 and took the Pietramarina carricante vineyard sources with him to his I Vigneri project, where they now are used for the Vigna de Milo. Does anyone think Vigna de Milo is at the quality level of Pietramarina?
Difficult to say as we haven't really had a chance to see Vigna di Milo evolve and turn into a spectacular 10, 15 or 20-year-old wine. Based on what we've seen so far... to me they are very different wines. And yes... while Vigna di Milo is a pretty spectacular wine in its own right, I'm yet to see the great-vintage-Pietramarina kind of magic. So, at this stage, my gut feeling is telling me no, not quite at the same level.
Of course, I could be wide off the mark. I'll probably be tracking this, though, and, if I'm proven wrong, none gladder than me.
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Brandon Econ wrote: March 18th, 2021, 10:15 amLa Sabilla Falanghina
This, Sir, is a very enlightened pick in my book. Entry-level or Cruna del Lago?

(Marko Fon doesn't count, let's just leave him in Slovenia, borderline or not :-) )
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Surprised to not see Coenobium mentioned yet.
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