Top Red Burgundy vintage of the 21st century so far

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Top Red Burgundy vintage in the 21st century

2000
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2001
2
1%
2002
12
5%
2003
2
1%
2004
4
2%
2005
50
22%
2006
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0%
2007
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No votes
2008
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0%
2009
14
6%
2010
101
44%
2011
1
0%
2012
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2013
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2014
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2015
16
7%
2016
11
5%
2017
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2018
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2019
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#1 Post by Howard Cooper »

I am picking 2010. Makes it easier that 1999 is not eligible. Again, 2000 for this purpose is in the 21st Century so we have 20 years.
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For consumption over the next ten to fifteen years, 2010. After that, 2005, 2009, and 2015 may eclipse it. I suspect in thirty years they will be superior. Who knows?

But I’m already loving 2010, and expect to continue for a long time.
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#3 Post by Mich@el Ch@ng »

I picked 10 but 19 sounds pretty epic

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2005, 2010, and 2016 are my top three. Hard to choose between them.
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2005. I suppose I could say 2010, but Truchot had retired by then, so that knocks ‘10 down a peg or two.
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Mich@el Ch@ng wrote: January 17th, 2021, 11:51 am I picked 10 but 19 sounds pretty epic
Probably should not have included 2019 as I doubt too many of us have had any yet. Hope you are correct.
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RyanC wrote: January 17th, 2021, 11:58 am 2005, 2010, and 2016 are my top three. Hard to choose between them.

Rankings may change in 10 years, but for me 2005 is too much of an unknown. I agree about the potential of 2016, but again don't know yet.

My guess is that we are all going to get a lot of pleasure out of 2017s. Probably not the greatest vintage, but it could be the anti-2005 in that one can drink it with pleasure over wide periods of time.
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I should put whoever voted for 2004 on ignore as I would have a hard time following any of their advice with respect to any wine.
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when will we start seeing 2019s around the US?

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Howard Cooper wrote: January 17th, 2021, 12:31 pm My guess is that we are all going to get a lot of pleasure out of 2017s. Probably not the greatest vintage, but it could be the anti-2005 in that one can drink it with pleasure over wide periods of time.
If I had one piece of advice to give to Burgundy lovers, it would be, buy more 2017s. In both colors.
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Howard Cooper wrote: January 17th, 2021, 12:32 pm I should put whoever voted for 2004 on ignore as I would have a hard time following any of their advice with respect to any wine.
The 04 and 11 choices really threw me. Also not a single vote for 02 yet which I would put higher than a lot of choices made so far. I think 09/10 but hard to say what will last. I have had more enjoyable 07s than 05s so far.

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I think I’ve put away more 17 than any other vintage.

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Mich@el Ch@ng wrote: January 17th, 2021, 3:57 pm I think I’ve put away more 17 than any other vintage.
In which sense?

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I'm the lone 2002 vote, as it's the 21st century red vintage that's given me the most joy. Intellectually I'd probably say 2010. And I'm in the naysayer camp for 2005. They are 15 years old, and generally speaking still giving no joy. I'm only 65, but I don't expect to drink my 05's for sheer enjoyment in my lifetime. Expect to sell them (or my kids will).
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#15 Post by Mich@el Ch@ng »

Craig G wrote: January 17th, 2021, 4:02 pm
Mich@el Ch@ng wrote: January 17th, 2021, 3:57 pm I think I’ve put away more 17 than any other vintage.
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#16 Post by Marcu$ Stanley »

another here who thinks 2002 is terrific, although I had to vote for 2010. I would put 2002 second, has so much charm.

Surprised to see 2014-15-16 all getting equal votes

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Marcu$ Stanley wrote: January 17th, 2021, 4:48 pm another here who thinks 2002 is terrific, although I had to vote for 2010. I would put 2002 second, has so much charm.

Surprised to see 2014-15-16 all getting equal votes
This is what makes the question hard: the 2000-2004 are fairly mature while the 2012+ vintages are infants. I love the 2002s.

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William Kelley wrote: January 17th, 2021, 3:04 pm
Howard Cooper wrote: January 17th, 2021, 12:31 pm My guess is that we are all going to get a lot of pleasure out of 2017s. Probably not the greatest vintage, but it could be the anti-2005 in that one can drink it with pleasure over wide periods of time.
If I had one piece of advice to give to Burgundy lovers, it would be, buy more 2017s. In both colors.
I've come to that conclusion as well, that 17 is much better than we may have been told by some. Not sure if it's because so many are drinking so well right now, but it does seem like a stronger vintage than I once believed.
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Alex Valdes wrote: January 17th, 2021, 3:54 pm
Howard Cooper wrote: January 17th, 2021, 12:32 pm I should put whoever voted for 2004 on ignore as I would have a hard time following any of their advice with respect to any wine.
The 04 and 11 choices really threw me. Also not a single vote for 02 yet which I would put higher than a lot of choices made so far. I think 09/10 but hard to say what will last. I have had more enjoyable 07s than 05s so far.
My Burg group has historically done tastings 10 years after the vintage about once a year. I had planned in 2020 to have us do also a comparison between 2009s and 2010s but alas we did not do too many tastings in 2020. Hopefully, we will do that in 2021. I have a feeling it will be a lot of fun to compare these two vintages over the next number of years. The likely winners - the people tasting the wines.
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Alan Rath wrote: January 17th, 2021, 5:36 pm
William Kelley wrote: January 17th, 2021, 3:04 pm
Howard Cooper wrote: January 17th, 2021, 12:31 pm My guess is that we are all going to get a lot of pleasure out of 2017s. Probably not the greatest vintage, but it could be the anti-2005 in that one can drink it with pleasure over wide periods of time.
If I had one piece of advice to give to Burgundy lovers, it would be, buy more 2017s. In both colors.
I've come to that conclusion as well, that 17 is much better than we may have been told by some. Not sure if it's because so many are drinking so well right now, but it does seem like a stronger vintage than I once believed.
To be fair, the 2017s have changed. I was in Burgundy in 2018 and tasted a bunch of 2017s from barrel. I thought the wines were good, but kind of more lightweight and without that much depth. viewtopic.php?f=1&t=153014&p=2546523&hi ... e#p2546523 I retasted some of the same wines (and tasted a whole bunch of others) in March 2020 at the Paulee Grand Tasting in NY. I was amazed at how much better the wines had gotten (both red and white), esp. the ones I had previously tasted from barrel. The wines tasted much richer and complete. viewtopic.php?f=1&t=168007&p=2928477&hi ... e#p2928477 This happens sometimes in Burgundy - I can think of the same thing happening with 2000, 2001, and 2007, where the wines tasted much, much better a year after release than they had upon release. Further back, this happened with 1980s, a vintage Williams discusses a lot (I did not have the foresight to save these and drank mine a long time ago). And, I like 2012s I have had the last couple of years much more than I originally liked them when I was in Burgundy in 2013 and even than when I was at the Paulee in NY in 2014.

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Howard Cooper wrote: January 17th, 2021, 5:38 pm
Alex Valdes wrote: January 17th, 2021, 3:54 pm
Howard Cooper wrote: January 17th, 2021, 12:32 pm I should put whoever voted for 2004 on ignore as I would have a hard time following any of their advice with respect to any wine.
The 04 and 11 choices really threw me. Also not a single vote for 02 yet which I would put higher than a lot of choices made so far. I think 09/10 but hard to say what will last. I have had more enjoyable 07s than 05s so far.
My Burg group has historically done tastings 10 years after the vintage about once a year. I had planned in 2020 to have us do also a comparison between 2009s and 2010s but alas we did not do too many tastings in 2020. Hopefully, we will do that in 2021. I have a feeling it will be a lot of fun to compare these two vintages over the next number of years. The likely winners - the people tasting the wines.
That will be a great tasting and agree - the drinkers are the real winners. Enjoy!

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Howard Cooper wrote: January 17th, 2021, 5:38 pm
Alex Valdes wrote: January 17th, 2021, 3:54 pm
Howard Cooper wrote: January 17th, 2021, 12:32 pm I should put whoever voted for 2004 on ignore as I would have a hard time following any of their advice with respect to any wine.
The 04 and 11 choices really threw me. Also not a single vote for 02 yet which I would put higher than a lot of choices made so far. I think 09/10 but hard to say what will last. I have had more enjoyable 07s than 05s so far.
My Burg group has historically done tastings 10 years after the vintage about once a year. I had planned in 2020 to have us do also a comparison between 2009s and 2010s but alas we did not do too many tastings in 2020. Hopefully, we will do that in 2021. I have a feeling it will be a lot of fun to compare these two vintages over the next number of years. The likely winners - the people tasting the wines.
I think you will be comparing infant '09s with adolescent '10s, and it will make for a fun and relatively easy blind tasting, if you use that format. I haven’t picked up a tertiary hint from any '09 yet, finding them still fruity and delicious. They will mature, but who knows when.

Some '10s, on the other hand, have moved from crystalline beauty, to developing a bit of earth and meaty complexity by age nine or ten.

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#23 Post by Keith Levenberg »

That's interesting. I had a sense that 2010 might be an earlier-maturing vintage, but I wouldn't have guessed 2009 as a later-maturing one. I haven't had much of either since release.

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#24 Post by Howard Cooper »

Brady Daniels wrote: January 17th, 2021, 6:44 pm
Howard Cooper wrote: January 17th, 2021, 5:38 pm
Alex Valdes wrote: January 17th, 2021, 3:54 pm

The 04 and 11 choices really threw me. Also not a single vote for 02 yet which I would put higher than a lot of choices made so far. I think 09/10 but hard to say what will last. I have had more enjoyable 07s than 05s so far.
My Burg group has historically done tastings 10 years after the vintage about once a year. I had planned in 2020 to have us do also a comparison between 2009s and 2010s but alas we did not do too many tastings in 2020. Hopefully, we will do that in 2021. I have a feeling it will be a lot of fun to compare these two vintages over the next number of years. The likely winners - the people tasting the wines.
I think you will be comparing infant '09s with adolescent '10s, and it will make for a fun and relatively easy blind tasting, if you use that format. I haven’t picked up a tertiary hint from any '09 yet, finding them still fruity and delicious. They will mature, but who knows when.

Some '10s, on the other hand, have moved from crystalline beauty, to developing a bit of earth and meaty complexity by age nine or ten.

Hope your group can safely meet sooner rather than later.
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Alex Valdes wrote: January 17th, 2021, 3:54 pm
Howard Cooper wrote: January 17th, 2021, 12:32 pm I should put whoever voted for 2004 on ignore as I would have a hard time following any of their advice with respect to any wine.
The 04 and 11 choices really threw me. Also not a single vote for 02 yet which I would put higher than a lot of choices made so far. I think 09/10 but hard to say what will last. I have had more enjoyable 07s than 05s so far.
come on now...the 04 and 11 choices are clearly trolling or misclicks that were meant for 05 or 10.

I find them amusing.
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#26 Post by Jayson Cohen »

2010 is a special vintage in red.

As a generalization, the charm of the 2017 reds reminds me of the 2010s, a certain quality of how the fruit and acid play off each other particularly in the mouth, although clearly there are big differences between those vintages as well.

I don’t have an absolute second favorite. So many good ones.

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Brady Daniels wrote: January 17th, 2021, 6:44 pm
Howard Cooper wrote: January 17th, 2021, 5:38 pm
Alex Valdes wrote: January 17th, 2021, 3:54 pm

The 04 and 11 choices really threw me. Also not a single vote for 02 yet which I would put higher than a lot of choices made so far. I think 09/10 but hard to say what will last. I have had more enjoyable 07s than 05s so far.
My Burg group has historically done tastings 10 years after the vintage about once a year. I had planned in 2020 to have us do also a comparison between 2009s and 2010s but alas we did not do too many tastings in 2020. Hopefully, we will do that in 2021. I have a feeling it will be a lot of fun to compare these two vintages over the next number of years. The likely winners - the people tasting the wines.
I think you will be comparing infant '09s with adolescent '10s, and it will make for a fun and relatively easy blind tasting, if you use that format. I haven’t picked up a tertiary hint from any '09 yet, finding them still fruity and delicious. They will mature, but who knows when.

Some '10s, on the other hand, have moved from crystalline beauty, to developing a bit of earth and meaty complexity by age nine or ten.

Hope your group can safely meet sooner rather than later.
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#28 Post by Marcu$ Stanley »

In my limited experience 2015 shut down in a way that 2009 didn't -- 2015 is "tougher" than 09. It does seem to me people are underrating both 2002 and 2009 a bit. But maybe it's just how good 2010 is that is sucking away votes from every other vintage.

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For me it's 2010 although hopefully some of the more recent vintages will match it. I'm also conscious that some of the riper vintages need more time to integrate and could make this closer in the long run.

What amazes me is how many vintages that may not be great per se but are either very close (2002, 09, 15, 16 etc.) or are have such charm in their own way to be very appealing (2000, 2001, 2007, 2014). I am a long term believer in 2005 even if there are real reasons to be concerned.
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James Billy wrote: January 18th, 2021, 5:31 am

I got roasted by Howard last year for suggesting 2010 is an earlier maturing vintage. He's still on ignore since then, but I always click 'read post' anyway.[rofl.gif]
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Marcu$ Stanley wrote: January 18th, 2021, 5:38 am In my limited experience 2015 shut down in a way that 2009 didn't -- 2015 is "tougher" than 09. It does seem to me people are underrating both 2002 and 2009 a bit. But maybe it's just how good 2010 is that is sucking away votes from every other vintage.
We have really been blessed with Burgundy vintages. I doubt that there has been a period of time with as many really good vintages as we have had since 1999. My favorite vintage of the period 2000 through 2017 has been the 2010s but there are so many other vintages where wonderful wines have been made (if I had included 1999 in the poll, my guess is that the poll would be a lot closer). A few of the best wines I have had have even been from 2003!!!!!!!!! And, in most vintages, Burgundies age for a very long time. See the various comments William Kelley has made about 1980s he has been drinking. In the 1980s, 1980 was seen as a short lived vintage. As long as the wines are balanced and not flawed, well made Burgundies age for longer than most people predict, even in vintages like 1992, 2000, and 2007. I am betting that people will be surprised at how long 2017s live.
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#32 Post by William Kelley »

Howard Cooper wrote: January 17th, 2021, 5:45 pm
To be fair, the 2017s have changed. I was in Burgundy in 2018 and tasted a bunch of 2017s from barrel. I thought the wines were good, but kind of more lightweight and without that much depth. I retasted some of the same wines (and tasted a whole bunch of others) in March 2020 at the Paulee Grand Tasting in NY. I was amazed at how much better the wines had gotten (both red and white), esp. the ones I had previously tasted from barrel. The wines tasted much richer and complete.
This was exactly my experience, too.

Kudos to John Gilman, who was a big fan of the 2017 reds out of barrel!
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Where's 2020? Or did you want to forget last year?
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#34 Post by Matthew King »

I understand the spirit of these kinds of polls. It's the type of debate I like to have with my tasting group. But ultimately, it's sorta fruitless. Each vintage has its purpose on a given night. If you asked me today, what my favorite vintage is I'd say 2001 because those wines are drinking beautifully right now. But the 2010s may eclipse them in pleasure some day, but who knows? Everyone was ga-ga about 2005 but I agree with others who say it's a pain in the ass vintage that hasn't delivered the pleasure one might hope after all the hype. In general, I'm a bird-in-the-hand kinda guy when it comes to Burgundy ... bring on the 07s and the 17s!
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#35 Post by Jayson Cohen »

William Kelley wrote: January 18th, 2021, 6:39 am
Howard Cooper wrote: January 17th, 2021, 5:45 pm
To be fair, the 2017s have changed. I was in Burgundy in 2018 and tasted a bunch of 2017s from barrel. I thought the wines were good, but kind of more lightweight and without that much depth. I retasted some of the same wines (and tasted a whole bunch of others) in March 2020 at the Paulee Grand Tasting in NY. I was amazed at how much better the wines had gotten (both red and white), esp. the ones I had previously tasted from barrel. The wines tasted much richer and complete.
This was exactly my experience, too.

Kudos to John Gilman, who was a big fan of the 2017 reds out of barrel!
When did you guys taste from barrel? I know John hits as many domains as possible during his November trip (so in this case November 2018). But maybe you caught them at an earlier, more awkward stage?

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Jayson Cohen wrote: January 18th, 2021, 3:47 pm
William Kelley wrote: January 18th, 2021, 6:39 am
Howard Cooper wrote: January 17th, 2021, 5:45 pm
To be fair, the 2017s have changed. I was in Burgundy in 2018 and tasted a bunch of 2017s from barrel. I thought the wines were good, but kind of more lightweight and without that much depth. I retasted some of the same wines (and tasted a whole bunch of others) in March 2020 at the Paulee Grand Tasting in NY. I was amazed at how much better the wines had gotten (both red and white), esp. the ones I had previously tasted from barrel. The wines tasted much richer and complete.
This was exactly my experience, too.

Kudos to John Gilman, who was a big fan of the 2017 reds out of barrel!
When did you guys taste from barrel? I know John hits as many domains as possible during his November trip (so in this case November 2018). But maybe you caught them at an earlier, more awkward stage?
I think John and I were tasting at around the same time. I also worked the 2017 harvest, and that may not necessarily have been an immediate advantage when tasting the wines a year later, in that I had seen (and picked) plenty of fruit that was, while clean, only marginally ripe; so it was harder to get immensely enthused about the grapes and by extension the ensuing wines. The results in bottle vs the character of the fruit in 2017 and 2016 have been very instructive to me, as I was aware that, in principle, marginally ripe Pinot Noir can produce stunning wines; but then I saw that, first hand, from start to finish. And I was happy to revise my scores for the 2017s upwards when I revisited over a thousand of them from bottle a year later. FWIW, talking with producers, I think the real quality of the 2017 reds only became obvious in early 2019. Hence the kudos to John, who has been doing this, thoughtfully, for a long time.
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Gotta say, as much as I like 2010 I’m kind of shocked at the consensus. There have just been so many good vintages in the new millennium.
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RyanC wrote: January 18th, 2021, 5:22 pm Gotta say, as much as I like 2010 I’m kind of shocked at the consensus. There have just been so many good vintages in the new millennium.
I agree that there have been many excellent vintages, but 2010 is unique in having enough acid for the traditionalists, enough fruit for all, being an upside surprise when released and never having shut down. It pleases just about everyone today, and I expect for more than a few years. It will probably be overtaken by 2-3 other vintages in the long haul, but let’s face it, most of us would rather drink wine now than hold it for our kids.
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Partially agree with a few suggesting these polls are interesting, but these days, thankfully a bit fruitless. As Howard says and Ryan, Brady & others agree - the past 20 years has been a remarkable run of almost exclusively fine vintages regardless of your particular style bias. Maybe 2-3 vintages since 2000 require significant due diligence. I chose '15, but was leaning hard towards either '02 or '10. Suspect I will love both '14 & '16 once they have some extra years under their belt.
With time, these past two decades may be seen as somewhat of a golden age in burgundy. Certainly winemakers are able to manage the heat and/or drought these days far better than in '03, but even with canopy management that only goes so far. Will there be Chardonnay in Burgundy in 50 years? It's not a coincidence that Aligote is becoming a darling (not just the hipsters) again. It finally ripens.
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Alan Rath wrote: January 17th, 2021, 5:36 pm
William Kelley wrote: January 17th, 2021, 3:04 pm
Howard Cooper wrote: January 17th, 2021, 12:31 pm My guess is that we are all going to get a lot of pleasure out of 2017s. Probably not the greatest vintage, but it could be the anti-2005 in that one can drink it with pleasure over wide periods of time.
If I had one piece of advice to give to Burgundy lovers, it would be, buy more 2017s. In both colors.
I've come to that conclusion as well, that 17 is much better than we may have been told by some. Not sure if it's because so many are drinking so well right now, but it does seem like a stronger vintage than I once believed.
I loved the 2017s when I tasted them in Burgundy and when I returned to the states I was told that no one who was "serious" about Burgundy was interested in the 2017s and it was all about the 2016s and 2018s. I am still firmly behind the 2017 vintage in both red and whites. I far prefer it to the 2018s, which I don't particularly like (obviously there are exceptions). I also love 2007. I am drinking more 2007 reds than anything now. I think I have to say that intellectually 2010 is the best vintage in this period, but I agree with Brad in that the 2002 has brought me more enjoyment than any other vintage.
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2016 and 2010 have seamless balance, in general, in youth compared to many other vintages while seemingly having the guts and energy to endure. I will admit that 2017 has a charming, or shall I say, delicious, character that reminds me of 2002, in regards to accessibility and less so regarding other vintage character. 2017 is clearly a vintage where progress with farming has made a significant and meaningful impact, which results with different decisions regarding vinification and elevage than would have been made 15 years prior. I have been fortunate to have been shown and am a believer of riper vintages having the ability to endure given higher, phenolic material and higher acidity than initially suspected, i.e. ‘29, ‘59, etc. 2010 and 2016 simply seem to have more of all the good stuff in a more harmonious way even in youth.

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I am starting to have trouble with this thread. This is Burgundy guys and there is way too much agreement. I thought we were supposed to disagree about everything. grouphug

Actually, I am really enjoying this discussion. grouphug A question though is how much of the admiration for vintages like 2002, 2010 and 2017 is a reaction to 2005? I wonder if 2017 would be as widely praised if it came out around the time of 2005 rather than now as people still wait and wait and wait for 2005s to come around and just want wines that taste good during our lifetimes. Interestingly, there seem to be a lot of the same types of comments on the analogous Bordeaux threads about those 2005s to our 2005s.

Now, I will admit surprise that there has not been too many positive comments about 2001s. I really like this vintage and think of it as comparable in quality (and maybe even a bit better) than 2002 although very different in style (and realizing that in Volnay 2002 is the superior vintage).
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#43 Post by Mich@el Ch@ng »

12 is the most underrated vintage listed

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Just looked in CellarTracker, and was shocked at how much 2017 I have. Encouraged by the positive comments on the vintage.
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D@vid Bu3ker wrote: January 19th, 2021, 6:18 am Just looked in CellarTracker, and was shocked at how much 2017 I have. Encouraged by the positive comments on the vintage.
You made me look - ditto, I didn't realize how much I have. [cheers.gif]
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#46 Post by Shoshana Filene »

2001 is a great vintage. Now I am thinking about all the standout bottles I have had from 2001 (Clos de la Roche Lignier stands out always), but for me 2002 edges it out. I need more 2017 in my cellar for sure. I spend more money on wine while reading Winebeserkers threads than anywhere else. I did not realize how dangerous this could become!
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Mich@el Ch@ng wrote: January 19th, 2021, 5:36 am 12 is the most underrated vintage listed
Certainly looking at the votes above, it's impossible to disagree with this.
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#48 Post by Keith Levenberg »

Shoshana Filene wrote: January 18th, 2021, 7:51 pm I loved the 2017s when I tasted them in Burgundy and when I returned to the states I was told that no one who was "serious" about Burgundy was interested in the 2017s and it was all about the 2016s and 2018s.
Whoever said that never read a wine board, where the "serious" Burgundy folks' attitude about all the obviously great vintages brings to mind the quip, "Nobody goes there anymore, it's too popular."

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#49 Post by Mich@el Ch@ng »

I have more 17 than any other vintage and am pretty happy about it.

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#50 Post by Anthony Z »

Howard Cooper wrote: January 17th, 2021, 10:28 am I am picking 2010. Makes it easier that 1999 is not eligible. Again, 2000 for this purpose is in the 21st Century so we have 20 years.
As someone who knows very little about Burgundy, what would be a good 1999 for ≈$500? (Or does that not exist anymore) That’s my sister’s birth year and if it’s a fantastic vintage, it could be just what I’m looking for
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