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#1 Post by James Billy » November 17th, 2020, 9:26 pm

Same idea as viewtopic.php?f=1&t=174207 but this time we're plumbing the depths, slumming it, etc.

What is the cheapest, widely available wine from a major region that you'd happily drink without feeling you were drinking something vastly inferior to what you most like drinking in this region. Traditional leaning styles preferred.

I'll start. Prices to the nearest 5 bux.

The winner of each catagory is the cheapest wine that more than half the respondents deem acceptable.

Otto does not have the right to overrule this poll. [rofl.gif]

Champagne - Moutard Grande Cuvee Brut NV $25

Rhone - Chave Mon Coeur $15

Bordeaux - Senejac $15

Loire Red - Baudry - Les Granges $20

Loire Chenin - Marc Bredif Vouvray Classic

Loire - Sauvignon - ?

Loire - Muscadet - Pepiere Sur Lie or Jo Landron Muscadet $15

Off Dry Riesling - ?

Dry Riesling - Donnhoff $15

Alsace Gewürztraminer - ?

Alsace - Pinot Gris - ?

Red Burgundy - Domaine des Moirots Bourgogne Rouge $20

White Burgundy - Moirots Bourgogne Blanc $20 or Jadot Macon-Villages $10 or Chablis or JM Brocard Ste. Claire $15

Beaujolais - Jadot Beaujolais Villages $10

Rioja - CVNE crianza $10

Bierzo - ?

Fino/Manzanilla - Valdespino Inocente

Chianti - Villa Antinori Toscana $? or Casa Emma $20

Langhe Nebbiolo - Produttori $15 or Vallana Campi Raudii $15 Vajra Nebbiolo Langhe $20

Aglianico - ?

Etna Rosso - Terre Nere $20 or Calabretta Cala Cala $15 or Gulfi Nerojbleo $20 Various Alcesti $10-20

Etna Bianco - Terre Nere $20

Soave - Inama $10

Dao - Quinta do Sobral Reserva both Branco and Tinto $15 or Quinta de Saes. $15

Douro - Niepoort Twisted both Branco and Tinto. $15

Santorini Assyrtiko - ?

Gruner Veltliner - Domaine Wachau $15

Would you be happy to drink all of these or can you offer a better choice without upping the price?.

Would you be happy to drink all of these or can you offer a better choice without upping the price?

This list is far from exhaustive and totally subjective. No need to argue. Just give suggestions for regions you like.
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#2 Post by Max S. » November 18th, 2020, 5:59 am

Loire Chenin - Badenhorst Secateurs @ $15
Langhe Nebbiolo - Produttori @ $20
Rioja - LdH @ $22
Dry Riesling - Donnhoff Estate @ $14
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#3 Post by Sean S y d n e y » November 18th, 2020, 6:26 am

The Jadot Beaujolais-Villages is by no means a great wine but is adequate for a brainless drink-it-and-don’t-think-it. I think it’s $11-12 USD.
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#4 Post by Nate Simon » November 18th, 2020, 6:50 am

Off the top of the head, I’m thinking Joguet Petites Roches can be found around $20. Also Kuentz-Bas Riesling (maybe $15).

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#5 Post by Max S. » November 18th, 2020, 6:57 am

Sean S y d n e y wrote:
November 18th, 2020, 6:26 am
The Jadot Beaujolais-Villages is by no means a great wine but is adequate for a brainless drink-it-and-don’t-think-it. I think it’s $11-12 USD.
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#6 Post by ChrisWolff » November 18th, 2020, 7:00 am

Finally a thread in my wheelhouse

Campo Viejo Reserve Rioja

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Agree on Louis Jadot Beaujolais

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#7 Post by RichardFlack » November 18th, 2020, 7:13 am

James Billy wrote:
November 17th, 2020, 9:26 pm
Same idea as viewtopic.php?f=1&t=174207 but this time we're plumming the depths, slumming it, etc.

What is the cheapest, widely available wine from a major region that you'd happily drink without feeling you were drinking something vastly inferior to what you most like drinking in this region. Traditional leaning styles preferred.

I'll start. Prices to the nearest 5 bux.

The winner of each catagory is the cheapest wine that more than half the respondents deem acceptable.

Champagne - Moutard Grande Cuvee Brut NV $25

Rhone - Guigal Cotes du Rhone $10

Bordeaux - Senejac $15

Loire Red - Baudry - Les Granges $20

Loire Chenin - ?

Loire - Sauvignon - ?

Loire - Muscadet - ?

Off Dry Riesling - ?

Dry Riesling - ?

Alsace Gewürztraminer - ?

Alsace - Pinot Gris - ?

Red Burgundy - water

White Burgundy - Chardonnay from somewhere else?

Beaujolais - ?

Rioja - ?

Bierzo - ?

Fino/Manzanilla - ?

Chianti - ?

Langhe Nebbiolo - ?

Aglianico - ?

Etna Rosso - ?

Etna Bianco - ?

Soave - ?

Dao - ?

Douro - ?

Santorini Assyrtiko - ?

This list is far from exhaustive and totally subjective. No need to argue. Just give suggestions for regions you like.
You buried the lede (Burgundy!). 😀

Not sure about US pricing but a couple of quick preliminary suggestions
Fino - Tio Pepe, and many others, eg La Guita, San Patricio
White Burgundy - Jadot BB, Roche de Bellene BB , La Chablisienne
Red Burgundy - aged Cru Beaujolais (ok a stretch),
Off dry Riesling. Dr L

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#8 Post by Anthony Sanford » November 18th, 2020, 7:31 am

Loire Muscadet - Clos Briords for <20$
Etna Rosso - Tenuta delle Terre Nere 18$
Etna Bianco - Tenuta delle Terre Nere 20$
Rioja - LdH as well for <25$
Champagne if you want to go lower than 25$, perhaps the Kirkland Champagne? at 20$
Soave - PIEROPAN SOAVE CLASSICO <20$

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#9 Post by Nick Ellis » November 18th, 2020, 8:39 am

Instead of Langhe for Nebbiolo, I’d propose Alto Piedmont and Produttori di Carema or Vallana Spanna for around $15-20 max.

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#10 Post by Marcu$ Stanley » November 18th, 2020, 8:52 am

I was going to suggest Jadot Beaune 1er crus for red Burgundy, that's how I got my start, but then I looked up the current Winesearcher prices LOL. That's no longer bottom-feeding unless you are willing to make a serious Burgundy adjustment.

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#11 Post by melvinyeo » November 18th, 2020, 8:58 am

White Burgundy - Anything from Chablis. Basic Chablis I would pick Fevre as my favourite. Domaine des Malandes, Moreau-Naudet and Lavantureux have some affordable 1ers.

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#12 Post by Robert Dentice » November 18th, 2020, 9:01 am

Germany - Hild Elbing $13-15
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#13 Post by James Billy » November 18th, 2020, 3:56 pm

RichardFlack wrote:
November 18th, 2020, 7:13 am
James Billy wrote:
November 17th, 2020, 9:26 pm


Red Burgundy - water

You buried the lede (Burgundy!). :)
Marcu$ Stanley wrote:
November 18th, 2020, 8:52 am
I was going to suggest Jadot Beaune 1er crus for red Burgundy, that's how I got my start, but then I looked up the current Winesearcher prices LOL. That's no longer bottom-feeding unless you are willing to make a serious Burgundy adjustment.
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#14 Post by James Billy » November 18th, 2020, 4:00 pm

Anthony Sanford wrote:
November 18th, 2020, 7:31 am
Loire Muscadet - Clos Briords for <20$
Etna Rosso - Tenuta delle Terre Nere 18$
Etna Bianco - Tenuta delle Terre Nere 20$
Rioja - LdH as well for <25$
Champagne if you want to go lower than 25$, perhaps the Kirkland Champagne? at 20$
Soave - PIEROPAN SOAVE CLASSICO <20$
Great choices, but as some of those are included in the Legendary Value thread (see OP) these are great wines, but this thread is about really cheaping out. Whatever was in the previous thread we need to slash thelat price.

What wines would you drink when you really wanted a cheap night in?
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#15 Post by James Billy » November 18th, 2020, 4:04 pm

Max S. wrote:
November 18th, 2020, 5:59 am
Loire Chenin - Badenhorst Secateurs @ $15
Where in the Loire is this made? [rofl.gif]

I know you were just being cheeky :)

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#16 Post by James Billy » November 18th, 2020, 4:17 pm

Champagne - Moutard Grande Cuvee Brut NV $25

Rhone - Guigal Cotes du Rhone $10

Bordeaux - Senejac $15

Loire Red - Baudry - Les Granges $20 or Joguet Petites Roche $15 or Guion Prestige $15 or Guion Bourgueil Domaine & Prestige $15 or Deux Monts $20

Alfert? Julian (from memory? :) )

Loire Chenin - Marc Bredif Vouvray Classic

Loire - Sauvignon - ?

Loire - Muscadet - Pepiere Sur Lie or Jo Landron Muscadet $15

Off Dry Riesling - ?

Dry Riesling - Loosen Dr L or Donnhoff $15 or Trimbach? $15 or Leitz Dragonstone $15

Alsace Gewürztraminer - ?

Alsace - Pinot Gris - ?

Red Burgundy - Domaine des Moirots Bourgogne Rouge $20

White Burgundy - Moirots Bourgogne Blanc $20 or Jadot Macon-Villages $10 or Chablis or JM Brocard Ste. Claire $15

Beaujolais - Jadot Beaujolais Villages $10

Rioja - Campo Viejo Reserve / Marques de Caceres / CVNE crianza $10 / LAN Crianza / $10 Marques de Riscal’s Reserva $20

Bierzo - ?

Fino/Manzanilla - Tio Pepe? Solear? La Guita? La Gitana? Lots of choices. Which is the best? $20

Chianti - Villa Antinori Toscana $? or Casa Emma $?

Langhe Nebbiolo - Produttori $15 or Vallana Campi Raudii $15 Vajra Nebbiolo Langhe $20

Aglianico - ?

Etna Rosso - Terre Nere $20 or Calabretta Cala Cala $15 or Gulfi Nerojbleo $20 Various Alcesti $10-20

Etna Bianco - Terre Nere $20

Soave - Inama $10

Dao - Quinta do Sobral Reserva both Branco and Tinto or Quinta de Saes. $?

Douro - Niepoort Twisted both Branco and Tinto. $?

Santorini Assyrtiko - ?

Gruner Veltliner - Domaine Wachau $15

Would you be happy to drink all of these or can you offer a better choice without upping the price?.
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#17 Post by RichardFlack » November 18th, 2020, 4:37 pm

Anthony Sanford wrote:
November 18th, 2020, 7:31 am
Loire Muscadet - Clos Briords for <20$
Etna Rosso - Tenuta delle Terre Nere 18$
Etna Bianco - Tenuta delle Terre Nere 20$
Rioja - LdH as well for <25$
Champagne if you want to go lower than 25$, perhaps the Kirkland Champagne? at 20$
Soave - PIEROPAN SOAVE CLASSICO <20$
LdH .. Heredia or Haro? Latter meets the price brief not sure the former does!

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#18 Post by Arv R » November 18th, 2020, 5:24 pm

In Rioja I'd rather have Marques de Caceres or CVNE crianza's over AFWE fave Lopez de Heredia. They're half the price and much more widely available.
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#19 Post by Max S. » November 18th, 2020, 5:52 pm

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James Billy wrote:
November 18th, 2020, 4:04 pm
Max S. wrote:
November 18th, 2020, 5:59 am
Loire Chenin - Badenhorst Secateurs @ $15
Where in the Loire is this made? [rofl.gif]

I know you were just being cheeky :)
No I copy pasted and didn't edit ha!
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#20 Post by James Billy » November 18th, 2020, 9:11 pm

Arv R wrote:
November 18th, 2020, 5:24 pm
In Rioja I'd rather have Marques de Caceres or CVNE crianza's over AFWE fave Lopez de Heredia. They're half the price and much more widely available.
They sound like good choices. Which CVNE crianza? The 'Cune'?

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#21 Post by James Billy » November 18th, 2020, 9:16 pm

Looks like $10-15 is a good price point. Obviously, champagne isn't possible at that price.

It's all about getting as low as possible whilst having a wine that is well made and enjoyable for wine nerds.

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#22 Post by M Mager » November 18th, 2020, 9:30 pm

Loire red has to be Guion Bourgueil. Domaine & Prestige for < $15, and Deux Monts for < $20. They age well, too...
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#23 Post by Andrew Hamilton » November 18th, 2020, 10:05 pm

Loire Chenin - I'd go the Marc Bredif Vouvray Classic. Should be widely available for $15-20 USD all over amernica. It was the first Chenin I ever cut my teeth on in the early 2000s and it's still widely available and well priced. It ages for decades as well.
That sounds about right.
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#24 Post by Ben M a n d l e r » November 18th, 2020, 10:16 pm

Dr L vs Donnhoff isn’t really fair, since Dr L is $10 and Donnhoff is $20. But Dr L is Top 5 All Time QPR so gets my vote.

LAN Crianza is dope for $12. Marques de Riscal’s Reserva for $18 is also good. Agree too on the Caceres and CVNE entry levels.

Domaine Wachau GV for $15

Jadot Macon-Villages for $12.

Trimbach Riesling for $15.
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#25 Post by James Billy » November 19th, 2020, 12:11 am

Updated list:
James Billy wrote:
November 18th, 2020, 4:17 pm
Champagne - Moutard Grande Cuvee Brut NV $25

Rhone - Guigal Cotes du Rhone $10

Bordeaux - Senejac $15

Loire Red - Baudry - Les Granges $20 / Joguet Petites Roche $15

Alfert? Julian (from memory? :) )

Loire Chenin - Marc Bredif Vouvray Classic

Loire - Sauvignon - ?

Loire - Muscadet - something new ($10?)

Off Dry Riesling - ?

Dry Riesling - Loosen Dr L or Donnhoff or Trimbach? $15

Alsace Gewürztraminer - ?

Alsace - Pinot Gris - ?

Red Burgundy - water

White Burgundy - Jadot Macon-Villages? $10 Chablis?

Beaujolais - Jadot Beaujolais Villages $10

Rioja - Campo Viejo Reserve / Marques de Caceres / CVNE crianza $10 / LAN Crianza / $10 Marques de Riscal’s Reserva $20

Bierzo - ?

Fino/Manzanilla - Tio Pepe? Solear? La Guita? La Gitana? Lots of choices. Which is the best? $20

Chianti - ?

Langhe Nebbiolo - Produttori $15

Aglianico - ?

Etna Rosso - Terre Nere $20

Etna Bianco - Terre Nere $20

Soave - something new ($10?)

Dao - ?

Douro - ?

Santorini Assyrtiko - ?

Gruner Veltliner - Domaine Wachau $15

Would you be happy to drink all of these or can you offer a better choice without upping the price?

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#26 Post by joejolesch » November 19th, 2020, 4:17 am

Villa Antinori Toscana - $13 and doesn’t feel like slumming it.

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#27 Post by Howard Cooper » November 19th, 2020, 4:59 am

Red Burgundy - Domaine des Moirots Bourgogne Rouge $20
White Burgundy - Moreau-Naudet Petite Chablis ($25) or Moirots Bourgogne Blanc ($20) or Louis Michel Chablis ($25)
German wine - Leitz Dragonstone ($16)
California - Marietta Old Vines Red ($12) or Ridge Three Valleys ($25)
Sicily - Various wines from Alcesti ($10-20)
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#28 Post by lucagiupponi » November 19th, 2020, 6:06 am

I would drink Inama Soave all day. Just got a case from Empire Wine for $11/bottle.

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#29 Post by Michae1 P0wers » November 19th, 2020, 7:42 am

For regular pricing, rather than discounts, I'd add:

Loire Muscadet - Pepiere Sur Lie or Jo Landron Muscadet (about $15)
Loire Cab Franc - Guion Prestige ($15); Baudry Granges ($18)
Sicily - Calabretta Cala Cala ($15); Gulfi Nerojbleo ($18)
Piedmonte Nebbiolo - Vallana Campi Raudii ($14 - Thanks for this recommendation Sarah K!!!)
Langhe - Vajra Nebbiolo Langhe ($18ish) and Langhe Rosso ($14)
Oregon - Evesham Wood WV ($18) or Cameron WV when it can be found
White Burgundy - JM Brocard Ste. Claire ($16)

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#30 Post by Julian Marshall » November 19th, 2020, 8:56 am

This is one subject I'm not qualified to give any ideas for - so I'll go ahead and bore the pants of you all anyway (NB GB and US pants)!

With transport costs and taxes, what is dead cheap for me is not always for you.

Loire C/F - Both the Guion and the Granges sound fine, but I wonder what this costs in the US: Lame Delisle Boucard Domaine des Chesnaies Bourgueil 'Cuvee Prestige
I get it for around 7 or 8€ and it's worth a great deal more. Just an idea.

Loire Sauvignon/Chardonnay - one of my daily drinkers is Château de la Ragotière (Frères Couillaud) Muscadet who also produce a very good Chardonnay and Sauvignon VDF cuvées for around 3 or 4 euros. I don't know if you have these in the US. Otherwise one of Vincent Ricard's cuvées?

Loire chenin - Damien Pinon "Tuffo"? Otherwise Marc Brédif's stuff is always good, I agree.

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#31 Post by Arv R » November 19th, 2020, 9:03 am

James Billy wrote:
November 18th, 2020, 9:11 pm
Arv R wrote:
November 18th, 2020, 5:24 pm
In Rioja I'd rather have Marques de Caceres or CVNE crianza's over AFWE fave Lopez de Heredia. They're half the price and much more widely available.
They sound like good choices. Which CVNE crianza? The 'Cune'?
Yes, that's fine, although their Vina Real bottling is good too, and only a few bucks more. Rioja in general is a strong contender in this segment since they make tons of wines, and there is no collector fervor for 1mm bottle production.

Their are tons of smaller Bordeaux that are also good at the $15 pricepoint, beyond Senejac but availability will be less consistent (US tends to buy big years) and given how well even smaller houses age, it can be ok to load up on good years. (ignore that if one is a speculator or storage constrained). Plenty of good threads to search on for more names...

[Julian - Ragotiere muscadet is available in our supermarket in California, prices bounce between $8-$15 depending on promotions + which cuvee it is]
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#32 Post by Julian Marshall » November 19th, 2020, 9:24 am

Arv R wrote:
November 19th, 2020, 9:03 am

[Julian - Ragotiere muscadet is available in our supermarket in California, prices bounce between $8-$15 depending on promotions + which cuvee it is]
I was afraid that might be the case - for $15 the Pepière or Landrons are better value, no question.

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#33 Post by Rich K0rz€nk0 » November 19th, 2020, 9:26 am

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#34 Post by Ethan H » November 19th, 2020, 10:08 am

Here are a few off the top of my head that I don't think are listed yet (all should be available in the USA though at higher prices in most cases -- like Julian I am fortunate to buy locally):

Loire SB -- François Chidaine Touraine €9
White Burg -- Terres Dorées (JP Brun) Beaujolais blanc €11-12
Southern Rhône -- Franck Balthazar Côtes du Rhône €12-15
Northern Rhône -- Jamet IGP Collines Rhodaniennes €19 (admittedly it flies off the shelves at that price)
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#35 Post by Arv R » November 19th, 2020, 2:24 pm

Julian Marshall wrote:
November 19th, 2020, 9:24 am
Arv R wrote:
November 19th, 2020, 9:03 am

[Julian - Ragotiere muscadet is available in our supermarket in California, prices bounce between $8-$15 depending on promotions + which cuvee it is]
I was afraid that might be the case - for $15 the Pepière or Landrons are better value, no question.
True dat! and as I tap away, I'm sipping a 19 Pepiere. It still tastes pretty good even if I cannot summon up the umlaut, because of my keyboards defects. And I like it better, but its not an 'on the shelf' thing here.

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(and not directed at my 2nd favorite Parisian, after Johnny Depp) I feel like a lot of the bottlings being suggested on this excellent thread - while meeting price point objectives - are really difficult to find for those of us in flyover America. I'm not sure it makes a ton of sense to be shipping $10-$15 bottles, unless you are rounding a case, or have something like a glorious LibraryPass etc.
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#36 Post by Eric Ifune » November 19th, 2020, 3:36 pm

Chianti Casa Emma.
Dao Quinta do Sobral Reserva both Branco and Tinto or Quinta de Saes.
Douro Niepoort Twisted both Branco and Tinto.

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#37 Post by Michae1 P0wers » November 19th, 2020, 4:07 pm

Arv R wrote:
November 19th, 2020, 2:24 pm

(and not directed at my 2nd favorite Parisian, after Johnny Depp) I feel like a lot of the bottlings being suggested on this excellent thread - while meeting price point objectives - are really difficult to find for those of us in flyover America. I'm not sure it makes a ton of sense to be shipping $10-$15 bottles, unless you are rounding a case, or have something like a glorious LibraryPass etc.
I disagree. Shipping a $15 wine makes great sense precisely because it’s much better than what you’ll find on the shelf for $18 in flyover country. There are also a lot of ways to get free shipping these days.

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#38 Post by Max S. » November 19th, 2020, 4:14 pm

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November 19th, 2020, 4:07 pm
I disagree. Shipping a $15 wine makes great sense precisely because it’s much better than what you’ll find on the shelf for $18 in flyover country. There are also a lot of ways to get free shipping these days.
I paid $100 for WineLibrary free shipping. I buy wine for 3 of my coworkers. Charged them $3/bottle until each had chipped in $25. LdH Cubillo is $34 in my market, but $22 or $23 on WL. Produttori Barb normale is $40-50, but 35 on WL. Everything is somewhere between 10 and 40% cheaper shipped.
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#39 Post by James Billy » November 19th, 2020, 5:04 pm

It's eerily polite on this thread. [rofl.gif] You know you can disagree as long as you aren't rude.

We are still missing a few catagories and need to choose one wine for the others. Remember it must be quite easily available, traditional and, above all, a great drink, given its price - and cheap! $10 would be great. $15 fine. $20 is a bit high for this category and $25 the absolute limit if really necessary (eg. champagne.)

I won't include the brilliant suggestions of European posters without a US poster confirming price and availability.

Updated list:
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November 18th, 2020, 4:17 pm
Champagne - Moutard Grande Cuvee Brut NV $25

Rhone - Guigal Cotes du Rhone $10 Chave Mon Coeur $15 St Cosme CdR $15

Bordeaux - Senejac $15

Loire Red - Baudry - Les Granges $20 or Joguet Petites Roche $15 or Guion Prestige $15 or Guion Bourgueil Domaine & Prestige $15 or Deux Monts $20

Alfert? Julian (from memory? :) )

Loire Chenin - Marc Bredif Vouvray Classic

Loire - Sauvignon - ?

Loire - Muscadet - Pepiere Sur Lie or Jo Landron Muscadet $15

Off Dry Riesling - ?

Dry Riesling - Loosen Dr L or Donnhoff $15 or Trimbach? $15 or Leitz Dragonstone $15

Alsace Gewürztraminer - ?

Alsace - Pinot Gris - ?

Red Burgundy - Domaine des Moirots Bourgogne Rouge $20

White Burgundy - Moirots Bourgogne Blanc $20 or Jadot Macon-Villages $10 or Chablis or JM Brocard Ste. Claire $15

Beaujolais - Jadot Beaujolais Villages $10

Rioja - Campo Viejo Reserve / Marques de Caceres / CVNE crianza $10 / LAN Crianza / $10 Marques de Riscal’s Reserva $20

Bierzo - ?

Fino/Manzanilla - Tio Pepe? Solear? La Guita? La Gitana? Lots of choices. Which is the best? $20

Chianti - Villa Antinori Toscana $? or Casa Emma $20

Langhe Nebbiolo - Produttori $15 or Vallana Campi Raudii $15 Vajra Nebbiolo Langhe $20

Aglianico - ?

Etna Rosso - Terre Nere $20 or Calabretta Cala Cala $15 or Gulfi Nerojbleo $20 Various Alcesti $10-20

Etna Bianco - Terre Nere $20

Soave - Inama $10

Dao - Quinta do Sobral Reserva both Branco and Tinto $15 or Quinta de Saes. $15

Douro - Niepoort Twisted both Branco and Tinto. $15

Santorini Assyrtiko - ?

Gruner Veltliner - Domaine Wachau $15

Would you be happy to drink all of these or can you offer a better choice without upping the price?.
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#40 Post by melvinyeo » November 19th, 2020, 9:41 pm

Rhone - 17 Chave Mon Coeur is stunning for the price point, otherwise I like Charvin's CDR as well.

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#41 Post by Eric Ifune » November 20th, 2020, 3:56 pm

The Quinta de Saes are about $10 in Europe and maybe $15 in the States. The Sobral is about $15. The Niepoort Twisted is $15 in the States, and the Casa Emma Chianti is $20 in the States.

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#42 Post by James Billy » November 21st, 2020, 2:13 am

Eric Ifune wrote:
November 20th, 2020, 3:56 pm
The Quinta de Saes are about $10 in Europe and maybe $15 in the States. The Sobral is about $15. The Niepoort Twisted is $15 in the States, and the Casa Emma Chianti is $20 in the States.
Thanks, Eric! I've updated the lists.

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#43 Post by Russell Faulkner » November 21st, 2020, 2:34 am

Robert Dentice wrote:
November 18th, 2020, 9:01 am
Germany - Hild Elbing $13-15
Have you tried Jonas Dostert’s Elblings? Brilliant

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#44 Post by Nick Ellis » November 21st, 2020, 8:56 am

Rhône - already a lot of great options on the board but St Cosme CdR is one of my faves and 100% Syrah (I think) and around $15.

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#45 Post by M Mager » November 21st, 2020, 10:38 am

Nick Ellis wrote:
November 21st, 2020, 8:56 am
Rhône - already a lot of great options on the board but St Cosme CdR is one of my faves and 100% Syrah (I think) and around $15.
Completely agree. Easy buy every year. One of our house wines. Full Pull does this one as annual offer. Had a bottle of the 2019 yesterday. Paid $12 per bottle for the 2019.
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#46 Post by John Glas » November 21st, 2020, 2:41 pm

Dry Riesling - Loosen Dr L or Donnhoff $15 or Trimbach? $15 or Leitz Dragonstone $15
Dr. L is one of the best wines year in and year out for the money. In our market Donnhoff is almost twice the price.

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#47 Post by J a y H a c k » November 21st, 2020, 2:55 pm

Campo de Borja - Borsao (the entry wine, I saw it today for $8.49). Hands down the best all around value and it ages. AND this I was in my "fight against gradeflation" stage so 88 is "excellent."
  • 2002 Bodegas Borsao Campo de Borja Borsao - Spain, Aragón, Campo de Borja (2/19/2008)
    Hey! This stuff really ages. I was making beef stew tonight so this morning, after getting the other ingredients together in a pot, I pulled a bottle of 2002 Borsao and set it on the counter. At 5:00, I called my son, told him to uncork the wine, pour it into the pot, and put it in the oven. I asked him to leave a few ounces in the bottle for later. At 7:30, I uncorked the left over bottle on the counter and unceremoniously took a swig from the bottle, expecting to quench my curiosity more than my thirst. Intense and complex cherry and raspberry flavors with some pepper and spice. I poured the rest into a glass so I could write a proper note. Moderate red color but not opaque, a little like a dark ruby. Cherry on the nose. still the same palate. Tannins softened and sweet. No oak or vanilla. This is a bona fide very good to excellent wine, 88 pts without the QPR factor. I bought a case of this 4 years ago at Zachy's on sale for $4.59 per bottle. Best bargain since the $6 Le Montrachet I got in 1978. (88 pts.)
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#48 Post by Arv R » November 21st, 2020, 4:57 pm

J a y H a c k wrote:
November 21st, 2020, 2:55 pm
Campo de Borja - Borsao (the entry wine, I saw it today for $8.49). Hands down the best all around value and it ages. AND this I was in my "fight against gradeflation" stage so 88 is "excellent."
  • 2002 Bodegas Borsao Campo de Borja Borsao - Spain, Aragón, Campo de Borja (2/19/2008)
    Hey! This stuff really ages. I was making beef stew tonight so this morning, after getting the other ingredients together in a pot, I pulled a bottle of 2002 Borsao and set it on the counter. At 5:00, I called my son, told him to uncork the wine, pour it into the pot, and put it in the oven. I asked him to leave a few ounces in the bottle for later. At 7:30, I uncorked the left over bottle on the counter and unceremoniously took a swig from the bottle, expecting to quench my curiosity more than my thirst. Intense and complex cherry and raspberry flavors with some pepper and spice. I poured the rest into a glass so I could write a proper note. Moderate red color but not opaque, a little like a dark ruby. Cherry on the nose. still the same palate. Tannins softened and sweet. No oak or vanilla. This is a bona fide very good to excellent wine, 88 pts without the QPR factor. I bought a case of this 4 years ago at Zachy's on sale for $4.59 per bottle. Best bargain since the $6 Le Montrachet I got in 1978. (88 pts.)
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I went through a lot of bottling when I was younger and loved it. I'd buy it thinking it was a sangria base, and it always ended up surprising to the upside. It's a good stuff, but I don't see it much around in my area. Although their Trio Picos bottling seems to have become ubiquitous now, and is an ok pick when traveling or what now.
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#49 Post by James Billy » November 21st, 2020, 10:41 pm

Campo de Borja are excellent value, but I can't put them in the Rioja section (or elsewhere) as we are sticking to major appellations/regions. I hope someone finds these post useful/interesting. Thanks for sharing.

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#50 Post by James Billy » November 21st, 2020, 10:44 pm

I'll get around to making offshoot threads where we can't agree on a few different choices for one particular category eventually. I don't want to flood the board with lots at once, too.

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