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#51 Post by D@vid Bu3ker »

If you think these are bad, just got an offer for Gonon St. Joseph for $140 a bottle.
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#52 Post by MaxSemler39 »

Received an offer for these yesterday at $85 a pop (with small discount to $79 for orders of 6+)

Ran this by my local rep, who said demand is through the roof (duh) and you’d be smart to grab whatever you can get your hands on. That last part I’m less convinced of...

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Lyle Fass is offering the wooden case set of all nine 2016 reservas for $980, or almost $110 a bottle.
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#54 Post by OwenB »

Flickinger had the box set for $829.

By the way, who sniped the 3 bottles of 2004 Asili this week on benchmark? I had them in my cart and when I finished the order my email confirmation was just for a shipping charge with no wine.
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    Re: Criminal (EDIT: or silly, if you like) pricing on 2016 Produttori Crus

    #55 Post by D@vid Bu3ker »

    John Morris wrote: February 20th, 2021, 9:02 am Lyle Fass is offering the wooden case set of all nine 2016 reservas for $980, or almost $110 a bottle.
    I saw that and nearly spat out my wine.
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    #56 Post by Tim Heaton »

    D@vid Bu3ker wrote: February 20th, 2021, 10:39 am
    John Morris wrote: February 20th, 2021, 9:02 am Lyle Fass is offering the wooden case set of all nine 2016 reservas for $980, or almost $110 a bottle.
    I saw that and nearly spat out my wine.
    that's nearly a full 3x what I paid at the cantina, fwiw
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    #57 Post by michael ottesen »

    I Got an offer on a sixpack
    Montestefano
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    For 425$
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    #58 Post by AAgrawal »

    I may be the odd one out here, or maybe my experience is too limited, but I've never thought of any Produttori as truly great wines. They are very good values, and I enjoy them, but if the pricing is too high it won't bother me to skip them.

    (CT says I've tasted 22 wines from Produttori, 9 of which were single vineyard bottlings.)
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    #59 Post by Brent S »

    I’m hoping the crazy prices for the 6 pack is based on the wooden box and it being a collectible item. I’ll be really upset if these wines show up at $80-$100 each.
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    #60 Post by michael ottesen »

    Brent S wrote: February 20th, 2021, 7:00 pm I’m hoping the crazy prices for the 6 pack is based on the wooden box and it being a collectible item. I’ll be really upset if these wines show up at $80-$100 each.
    No it’s not acollectible wodden box and it’s
    about 70$ a pop 2550 kr which is a big
    Increse. Four of the wines Got 98p and two got
    96p from A.G as i remember.
    But what about the next vintage,maybe the Wines only get like 92-94p in a lesser vintage,Then i won’t be buying

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    #61 Post by JohnP »

    Vinfolio sent out an email blast last week offering the wooden box for $799 (9 x 750mls), expected arrival 4-6 months.

    Also, just saw that Wine Enthusiast published their vintage chart and it ranks the 2016 vintage for Barbaresco & Barolo "both" at 99pts. I'm really looking forward to reading Kerin O'Keefe's reviews of the PdB Crus! Also interesting to note, WE gave the 2019 vintage 98s scores for both regions. Start savings those pennies.
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    Re: Criminal (EDIT: or silly, if you like) pricing on 2016 Produttori Crus

    #62 Post by Kirk.Grant »

    Here's the thing...most of us know that's a major hike up in pricing from the last few vintages. If the wines sit long enough, the price will come down.
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    #63 Post by D@vid Bu3ker »

    Never thought I would buy Barolos as the cheaper option.
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    #64 Post by David_K »

    Kirk.Grant wrote: February 22nd, 2021, 5:08 pm Here's the thing...most of us know that's a major hike up in pricing from the last few vintages. If the wines sit long enough, the price will come down.
    Rabaja, Asili and a couple others will sell at $80+. The rest will sit and come down. Nobody is buying Rio Sordo at $80.
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    #65 Post by Brent S »

    Galloni’s reviews state the release prices are $72 each. Not sure if that’s reliable. Time will tell.
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    AAgrawal wrote: February 20th, 2021, 5:30 pmI may be the odd one out here, or maybe my experience is too limited, but I've never thought of any Produttori as truly great wines. They are very good values, and I enjoy them, but if the pricing is too high it won't bother me to skip them.
    I'm with you 100%. When the price is right (i.e. $50-$60), these represent good values and, on occasion, a specific wine can be truly outstanding. Most often, they wind up being "fine" (i.e. very good) wines. However, they are also somewhat inconsistent as between the crus, and too often, they never truly "shape up" as hoped, often winding up just brooding and monolithic, even as they age, giving the sense of an appropriately serious wine but not ultimately offering any real joy or pleasure....But I certainly understand that people's preferences are different here.

    And for pure pleasure, I would rather have the cru bottles of La Ca Nova, which are terrific wines that are consistently enjoyable/pleasurable (probably at the expense of not being long-term agers, although the jury is still out on that and they are quite balanced wines, just without a huge amount of "heft").

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    John Kight wrote: February 23rd, 2021, 7:48 am
    AAgrawal wrote: February 20th, 2021, 5:30 pmI may be the odd one out here, or maybe my experience is too limited, but I've never thought of any Produttori as truly great wines. They are very good values, and I enjoy them, but if the pricing is too high it won't bother me to skip them.
    I'm with you 100%. When the price is right (i.e. $50-$60), these represent good values and, on occasion, a specific wine can be truly outstanding. Most often, they wind up being "fine" (i.e. very good) wines. However, they are also somewhat inconsistent as between the crus, and too often, they never truly "shape up" as hoped, often winding up just brooding and monolithic, even as they age, giving the sense of an appropriately serious wine but not ultimately offering any real joy or pleasure....But I certainly understand that people's preferences are different here.

    And for pure pleasure, I would rather have the cru bottles of La Ca Nova, which are terrific wines that are consistently enjoyable/pleasurable (probably at the expense of not being long-term agers, although the jury is still out on that and they are quite balanced wines, just without a huge amount of "heft").
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    #68 Post by Billbell »

    As others have noted, the 2016 normale is both fantastic and a relative bargain so I'd just load up on it. I have never had a young Produttori that was that good, and I'm pretty sure it's the best Produttori of any age I've ever had - although in my experience I find Produttori a little lacking versus my favorite producers of nebbiolo and I probably don't have as much experience with older bottles as many on this board. The 2016 normale, in contrast, stacks up well with other, more expensive 2016 nebbiolos that I've sampled (I rarely drink them young but this vintage has tempted me to pop a few.) My main question is how this vintage ages because it is so open, graceful, and relatively low in tannin at a time when I would expect it to be shutting down.

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    #69 Post by Max S. »

    It looks like the 2017 Produttori normale got the same score as 2016 from AG (94) and a higher score than 2015 (90+). Is this grade inflation? Or is there another factor here? Everywhere I look 2017 appears to be a more normal vintage compared to 2016's amazing vintage.
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    Max S. wrote: February 23rd, 2021, 12:51 pm It looks like the 2017 Produttori normale got the same score as 2016 from AG (94) and a higher score than 2015 (90+). Is this grade inflation? Or is there another factor here? Everywhere I look 2017 appears to be a more normal vintage compared to 2016's amazing vintage.
    Is this possibly because they've decided not to release Riservas in 2017, so the Normale has the Riserva material? (I haven't heard one way or another about whether they'll be releasing '17 Riservas).

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    John Kight wrote: February 24th, 2021, 7:59 am
    Max S. wrote: February 23rd, 2021, 12:51 pm It looks like the 2017 Produttori normale got the same score as 2016 from AG (94) and a higher score than 2015 (90+). Is this grade inflation? Or is there another factor here? Everywhere I look 2017 appears to be a more normal vintage compared to 2016's amazing vintage.
    Is this possibly because they've decided not to release Riservas in 2017, so the Normale has the Riserva material? (I haven't heard one way or another about whether they'll be releasing '17 Riservas).
    It's also possible that his scores don't mean much.
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    John Morris wrote: February 24th, 2021, 8:27 am It's also possible that his scores don't mean much.
    That's certainly true. And going a step further, you can say "scores don't mean much" (whether they're his or anyone else's). But I think many of us all kind of pretend they might mean something, up until that point when you taste the wine and realize they didn't, since otherwise we're operating with a complete lack of information.

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    #73 Post by Max S. »

    John Kight wrote: February 24th, 2021, 1:21 pm
    John Morris wrote: February 24th, 2021, 8:27 am It's also possible that his scores don't mean much.
    That's certainly true. And going a step further, you can say "scores don't mean much" (whether they're his or anyone else's). But I think many of us all kind of pretend they might mean something, up until that point when you taste the wine and realize they didn't, since otherwise we're operating with a complete lack of information.
    I always saw the scores as tiers, like grades in grade school. A, A-, B+, etc. Thus, grade inflation.
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    #74 Post by David_K »

    John Morris wrote: February 24th, 2021, 8:27 am
    John Kight wrote: February 24th, 2021, 7:59 am
    Max S. wrote: February 23rd, 2021, 12:51 pm It looks like the 2017 Produttori normale got the same score as 2016 from AG (94) and a higher score than 2015 (90+). Is this grade inflation? Or is there another factor here? Everywhere I look 2017 appears to be a more normal vintage compared to 2016's amazing vintage.
    Is this possibly because they've decided not to release Riservas in 2017, so the Normale has the Riserva material? (I haven't heard one way or another about whether they'll be releasing '17 Riservas).
    It's also possible that his scores don't mean much.


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    Was just offered the 9 pack owc set for $675. Probably as cheap as I’ll find it. Should I buy it????
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    Brent S wrote: February 27th, 2021, 3:51 am Was just offered the 9 pack owc set for $675. Probably as cheap as I’ll find it. Should I buy it????
    Seems like a good deal, certainly relative to everything else I’ve seen. If more are available, would love to know where.
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      #77 Post by Brent S »

      Envoyer is going to sell the owc 9 bottle 2016 produttori Barbaresco riservas for $675 today. Cheapest I’ve seen.
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      Brent S wrote: March 1st, 2021, 9:20 am Envoyer is going to sell the owc 9 bottle 2016 produttori Barbaresco riservas for $675 today. Cheapest I’ve seen.
      I can’t find that on their site, is it email link only? I’m not on their list.
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      Keith_B wrote: March 2nd, 2021, 5:07 pm
      Brent S wrote: March 1st, 2021, 9:20 am Envoyer is going to sell the owc 9 bottle 2016 produttori Barbaresco riservas for $675 today. Cheapest I’ve seen.
      I can’t find that on their site, is it email link only? I’m not on their list.
      Thanks!
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