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#1 Post by Troy Stark »

is "Drink," "Hold," or "Drink or hold."

Change my mind.
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For me, it’s one word - elegant.
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#4 Post by John Telford »

Troy Stark wrote: November 4th, 2020, 4:46 am is "Drink," "Hold," or "Drink or hold."

Change my mind.
Agree! What not to say....."QPR".

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dbailey wrote: November 4th, 2020, 5:06 am For me, it’s one word - elegant.
I think this is helpful when there are different styles of a particular wine, for sure, but still find it less helpful than the drink or hold indicator.
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Matthew Brown wrote: November 4th, 2020, 5:12 am Worth the money/not worth it
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#7 Post by Sarah Kirschbaum »

I find tasting notes most helpful when they include most or all of the following:

- How was the wine handed? (Decanting, stems used, how long it was open before serving, serving temp etc.)
- Some comment on the nose - expressive, mute, any offensive notes?
- Some comment on the body and weight
- Some sense of the palate - Balanced? Acidic? Tannic? Mouthfeel? Fruit? Mineral?
- How did the wine behave over time and how long was that time?
- How did the wine strike you emotionally? Or simply, did you like it?
- Some comment on current drinkability and projection of its future aging curve.

I find those things can encapsulate the experience of drinking a wine, and help me understand that wine, more than a list of fruits and flowers and spices, though those are interesting, too.
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Sarah Kirschbaum wrote: November 4th, 2020, 5:42 am I find tasting notes most helpful when they include most or all of the following:

- How was the wine handed? (Decanting, stems used, how long it was open before serving, serving temp etc.)
- Some comment on the nose - expressive, mute, any offensive notes?
- Some comment on the body and weight
- Some sense of the palate - Balanced? Acidic? Tannic? Mouthfeel? Fruit? Mineral?
- How did the wine behave over time and how long was that time?
- How did the wine strike you emotionally? Or simply, did you like it?
- Some comment on current drinkability and projection of its future aging curve.

I find those things can encapsulate the experience of drinking a wine, and help me understand that wine, more than a list of fruits and flowers and spices, though those are interesting, too.
I agree with this. Each person can have their own style of covering these bases, but this is a pretty good encapsulation of what I like to see and try to include myself.
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#9 Post by D@vid Bu3ker »

Troy Stark wrote: November 4th, 2020, 4:46 am is "Drink," "Hold," or "Drink or hold."

Change my mind.
Except for a very few people where I have long term understanding of their palate, I find drink/hold comments useless. Even then it's just a random data point, as my perception of whether a wine is "ready to go" is no doubt different from theirs.

I posted a note about a Bedrock Cab this morning that hits on this issue. I didn't note readiness to drink in any specific words, but I certainly found the wine easy and accessible. I am willing to bet that any number of other Bedrock fans on this site would advocate for aging the wine 5, or even 10 years. I would never do that intentionally, as I don't see the benefit based on what I tasted.

Now go to the 2001 J. J. Prum Wehlener Sonnenuhr Auslese that was discussed at length in a recent thread. Many folks find that wine ready to go. I am not in that camp.
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Well, when it comes to wine most things are subjective, of course, including the drink/hold indicator. That said, if a critical mass of TNs for a wine say "drink now," "reaching it's peak," or something similar, I find that to be the most helpful thing people can include. If only a couple of people include it in their notes, there's not enough data to know.
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Max S. wrote: November 4th, 2020, 5:41 am
Matthew Brown wrote: November 4th, 2020, 5:12 am Worth the money/not worth it
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Isn’t that the same as QPR?
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#12 Post by Dennis Atick »

"Drank by the pool with Marcy."

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Brian Tuite wrote: November 4th, 2020, 6:07 am
Max S. wrote: November 4th, 2020, 5:41 am
Matthew Brown wrote: November 4th, 2020, 5:12 am Worth the money/not worth it
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Isn’t that the same as QPR?
I was trying to decide whether to disagree with the qpr or agree with that statement and I opted for the positive...
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#14 Post by Jayson Cohen »

D@vid Bu3ker wrote: November 4th, 2020, 5:48 am
Troy Stark wrote: November 4th, 2020, 4:46 am is "Drink," "Hold," or "Drink or hold."

Change my mind.
Except for a very few people where I have long term understanding of their palate, I find drink/hold comments useless. Even then it's just a random data point, as my perception of whether a wine is "ready to go" is no doubt different from theirs.

I posted a note about a Bedrock Cab this morning that hits on this issue. I didn't note readiness to drink in any specific words, but I certainly found the wine easy and accessible. I am willing to bet that any number of other Bedrock fans on this site would advocate for aging the wine 5, or even 10 years. I would never do that intentionally, as I don't see the benefit based on what I tasted.

Now go to the 2001 J. J. Prum Wehlener Sonnenuhr Auslese that was discussed at length in a recent thread. Many folks find that wine ready to go. I am not in that camp.
This is where I lean. The only caveat is: what is useful from someone’s palate that I know is knowing if a wine that was closed for a long time is now open or starting to open (and echoing Sarah under what conditions). That doesn’t mean I have the same view as that person on whether to drink, hold, or drink/hold.

I like reading tasting notes. But I can count on a couple hands at most the people whose palates I have found are so aligned with mine that I would expect to agree with them most of the time about a wine, including a view on the drink/hold question. And only a small number of those people are professional wine reviewers.

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Jayson Cohen wrote: November 4th, 2020, 6:50 am
I like reading tasting notes. But I can count on a couple hands at most the people whose palates I have found are so aligned with mine that I would expect to agree with them most of the time about a wine, including a view on the drink/hold question. And only a small number of those people are professional wine reviewers.
So for you, as for me, the most important thing a note writer may include is his/her name.

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Whether you enjoyed the wine or not.

Many notes are filled with often obscure descriptors but fail to convey if the taster actually dug the wine.

It comes off more as an academic exercise than a pleasure giving activity.

On a more practical level, I like Weinberg’s binary system: a wine is either a 0 or a 1.

Or put another way, is it a rebuy or not?
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Troy Stark wrote: November 4th, 2020, 4:46 am is "Drink," "Hold," or "Drink or hold."

Change my mind.
Drink / Hold / Drink or Hold / Do Not Drink

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Years ago a work colleague at a tasting was using a three point rating system
Buy / Sell / Hold.
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Matthew King wrote: November 4th, 2020, 7:26 am Whether you enjoyed the wine or not.
Came here to say this, surprisingly this is frequently missing, and sometimes difficult to discern from the text.

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Troy Stark wrote: November 4th, 2020, 4:46 am is "Drink," "Hold," or "Drink or hold."

Change my mind.
I'd add:

Buy again? Yes/No
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Sarah Kirschbaum wrote: November 4th, 2020, 5:42 am I find tasting notes most helpful when they include most or all of the following:

- How was the wine handed? (Decanting, stems used, how long it was open before serving, serving temp etc.)
- Some comment on the nose - expressive, mute, any offensive notes?
- Some comment on the body and weight
- Some sense of the palate - Balanced? Acidic? Tannic? Mouthfeel? Fruit? Mineral?
- How did the wine behave over time and how long was that time?
- How did the wine strike you emotionally? Or simply, did you like it?
- Some comment on current drinkability and projection of its future aging curve.

I find those things can encapsulate the experience of drinking a wine, and help me understand that wine, more than a list of fruits and flowers and spices, though those are interesting, too.
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Palates are subjective, and TNs are only useful to me if they contain enough information for me to sift through and get an actual feel for the personality of the wine. I haven’t seen a good tasting note that could be deconstructed into pieces and still be as useful as a complete note.
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#22 Post by R. Frankel »

Some good ideas here. I’ve thought a lot about what I put in my notes, maybe will make a few changes.

I still struggle with who the note is for. Is my note for future me? Or for the public? I’m now at about 70/30. 70% is for future me (my memory stinks). A record of what I drank, liked/didn’t like, why, and readiness, really helps me think about what to get more of and when to open bottles. The 30% is based on my awareness that contribution to the community is worthwhile. I find others’ notes really helpful, so I want to do my small part. But I’m not a professional wine writer and likely will never be one.

If someone uses CT to track the who and the where that doesn’t bother me. That note isn’t for the rest of us, but sheesh, let people use the tool the way they want.
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#24 Post by David_K »

Comparisons with other wines in the range, however described. Whether two vintages of the same wine, or different cuvees from the same producer in the same year, seeing how they compare with each other helps me a lot with the wine being written about.
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#25 Post by T. Williams »

R. Frankel wrote: November 4th, 2020, 8:44 am
If someone uses CT to track the who and the where that doesn’t bother me. That note isn’t for the rest of us, but sheesh, let people use the tool the way they want.
That is what the private notes feature is for.
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#26 Post by Cris Whetstone »

Whether to drink or hold is very subjective I've found. I should be able to glean something from your note about how open the wine seemed to you anyway. I find those sorts of clues much more useful than a pronouncement of 'drink' or 'hold'. It's those clues I often find useful if I'm trying to figure out if my bottle is in a window or not.

Having many notes is most useful. The overall snapshot I can pull from many notes can really help. It helps soften the noise of single notes that can be outliers.

I'm also looking for the overall shape of the wine in terms of expression. Is it a big wine with "gobs" of fruit or something that is lean and acidic. And everything in between. Is it mostly fruit flavors or is it a lot of secondary and savory notes. Those can be clues about whether I'm interested in trying the wine or not.

David's notes about comparisons are useful also.
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#27 Post by Jim Erwin »

Marcus Goodfellow wrote: November 4th, 2020, 8:37 am
Sarah Kirschbaum wrote: November 4th, 2020, 5:42 am I find tasting notes most helpful when they include most or all of the following:

- How was the wine handed? (Decanting, stems used, how long it was open before serving, serving temp etc.)
- Some comment on the nose - expressive, mute, any offensive notes?
- Some comment on the body and weight
- Some sense of the palate - Balanced? Acidic? Tannic? Mouthfeel? Fruit? Mineral?
- How did the wine behave over time and how long was that time?
- How did the wine strike you emotionally? Or simply, did you like it?
- Some comment on current drinkability and projection of its future aging curve.

I find those things can encapsulate the experience of drinking a wine, and help me understand that wine, more than a list of fruits and flowers and spices, though those are interesting, too.
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Palates are subjective, and TNs are only useful to me if they contain enough information for me to sift through and get an actual feel for the personality of the wine. I haven’t seen a good tasting note that could be deconstructed into pieces and still be as useful as a complete note.
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#28 Post by J.Vizuete »

David_K wrote: November 4th, 2020, 8:59 am Comparisons with other wines in the range, however described. Whether two vintages of the same wine, or different cuvees from the same producer in the same year, seeing how they compare with each other helps me a lot with the wine being written about.
I wish there was more of this (in professional notes as well but there you have potential conflicting interests). On CT, I want to see more "This wine reminded me of the 89 so-and-so when it was young". Or, "stylistically most similar to Chateau X". Or, "In a lineup of [region, grape variety], this was the most [character trait]. My mind attempts to build a framework of tasting memories, so for me, referencing other wines in the matrix helps me to understand what the taster might be experiencing, particularly if I've never tasted the wine in question before.

While "elegant" is almost always a positive descriptor, it means different things to different folks. I have seen it used to describe burgundy, bedrock field blends, and Saxum syrah. I find "complexity" more useful, which admittedly doesn't mean the same thing, but if you're getting layers of fruit, savory herb, spice, mineral, etc etc that's a wine I'm interested in.

Likewise "would I buy it again?" is totally subject to disposable income and personal taste. If I wrote the note that's helpful for my own use, otherwise not so much.
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Kevin Porter wrote: November 4th, 2020, 6:54 am
Jayson Cohen wrote: November 4th, 2020, 6:50 am
I like reading tasting notes. But I can count on a couple hands at most the people whose palates I have found are so aligned with mine that I would expect to agree with them most of the time about a wine, including a view on the drink/hold question. And only a small number of those people are professional wine reviewers.
So for you, as for me, the most important thing a note writer may include is his/her name.
The name is key, but for a name to be useful, it needs to be associated with a tasting history including the types of information that Sarah and others have mentioned for calibration.

Comparisons with similar wines (even including QPR commentary) can be helpful, since they increase the chance of correlating a note to personal experience.
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#30 Post by Brian G r a f s t r o m »

Sarah Kirschbaum wrote: November 4th, 2020, 5:42 am I find tasting notes most helpful when they include most or all of the following:

- How was the wine handed? (Decanting, stems used, how long it was open before serving, serving temp etc.)
- Some comment on the nose - expressive, mute, any offensive notes?
- Some comment on the body and weight
- Some sense of the palate - Balanced? Acidic? Tannic? Mouthfeel? Fruit? Mineral?
- How did the wine behave over time and how long was that time?
- How did the wine strike you emotionally? Or simply, did you like it?
- Some comment on current drinkability and projection of its future aging curve.

I find those things can encapsulate the experience of drinking a wine, and help me understand that wine, more than a list of fruits and flowers and spices, though those are interesting, too.
That is virtually an outline for my TN format. champagne.gif

(so, in other words, I agree with you. :) )
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#31 Post by Rich K0rz€nk0 »

Brian G r a f s t r o m wrote: November 4th, 2020, 9:52 am
Sarah Kirschbaum wrote: November 4th, 2020, 5:42 am I find tasting notes most helpful when they include most or all of the following:

- How was the wine handed? (Decanting, stems used, how long it was open before serving, serving temp etc.)
- Some comment on the nose - expressive, mute, any offensive notes?
- Some comment on the body and weight
- Some sense of the palate - Balanced? Acidic? Tannic? Mouthfeel? Fruit? Mineral?
- How did the wine behave over time and how long was that time?
- How did the wine strike you emotionally? Or simply, did you like it?
- Some comment on current drinkability and projection of its future aging curve.

I find those things can encapsulate the experience of drinking a wine, and help me understand that wine, more than a list of fruits and flowers and spices, though those are interesting, too.
That is virtually an outline for my TN format. champagne.gif

(so, in other words, I agree with you. :) )
That's a good check list and pretty spot on for the thing I enjoy reading. The terroir of the experience maybe. One word is not enough to really give me context unless I know I'm in tune with the author.

I try and round as many bases as I can, try and make it human. That said, I also try and not let it turn in to a writing exam that overrides the experience.
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#32 Post by Sarah Kirschbaum »

Brian G r a f s t r o m wrote: November 4th, 2020, 9:52 am
Sarah Kirschbaum wrote: November 4th, 2020, 5:42 am I find tasting notes most helpful when they include most or all of the following:

- How was the wine handed? (Decanting, stems used, how long it was open before serving, serving temp etc.)
- Some comment on the nose - expressive, mute, any offensive notes?
- Some comment on the body and weight
- Some sense of the palate - Balanced? Acidic? Tannic? Mouthfeel? Fruit? Mineral?
- How did the wine behave over time and how long was that time?
- How did the wine strike you emotionally? Or simply, did you like it?
- Some comment on current drinkability and projection of its future aging curve.

I find those things can encapsulate the experience of drinking a wine, and help me understand that wine, more than a list of fruits and flowers and spices, though those are interesting, too.
That is virtually an outline for my TN format. champagne.gif

(so, in other words, I agree with you. :) )
That must be why I generally find your notes helpful. :)
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#33 Post by Patrick T a y l o r »

Dennis Atick wrote: November 4th, 2020, 6:09 am "Drank by the pool with Marcy."

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#34 Post by Andrew K. »

Sarah Kirschbaum wrote: November 4th, 2020, 5:42 am I find tasting notes most helpful when they include most or all of the following:

- How was the wine handed? (Decanting, stems used, how long it was open before serving, serving temp etc.)
- Some comment on the nose - expressive, mute, any offensive notes?
- Some comment on the body and weight
- Some sense of the palate - Balanced? Acidic? Tannic? Mouthfeel? Fruit? Mineral?
- How did the wine behave over time and how long was that time?
- How did the wine strike you emotionally? Or simply, did you like it?
- Some comment on current drinkability and projection of its future aging curve.

I find those things can encapsulate the experience of drinking a wine, and help me understand that wine, more than a list of fruits and flowers and spices, though those are interesting, too.
That basically sums up my opinion and what I try to provide in my notes. I want details not subjective musings about whether it's ready to drink or the QPR in your opinion, although adding those thoughts doesn't detract from the note.
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#35 Post by Greg K »

Matthew King wrote: November 4th, 2020, 7:26 am Whether you enjoyed the wine or not.

Many notes are filled with often obscure descriptors but fail to convey if the taster actually dug the wine.

It comes off more as an academic exercise than a pleasure giving activity.
I agree with this. I often read notes that are full of references to fruits or other flavors (some of which I've never even heard of), and by the end I have absolutely no idea what the writer actually thought of the wine.

That said, I mostly find tasting notes meaningless unless I understand the writer's palate - if I do, that will be a useful date point for me (is the wine open? How is it showing?). Otherwise, it's mostly irrelevant. I always come back to this example, but when I see Jeff Leve write a note about how opulent and amazing a wine is, I immediately back away. Jeff is a lovely guy, and I find his website very useful, but we have extremely different palates.

My tasting notes are very idiosyncratic, but that's because I mostly write them for myself and am often not as scientific as I maybe should be (also because I become less scientific about wine the more of it I drink [cheers.gif]). However, I tend to be clear when I don't like a wine. If my notes aren't helpful to people, I am absolutely fine with that. They don't need to be.
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#36 Post by Greg K »

Cris Whetstone wrote: November 4th, 2020, 9:05 am Whether to drink or hold is very subjective I've found.
Yeah, this. I've definitely read comments about wines that I've buried in my cellar and how they're "not getting any better". Then I have them a few years later and they're either tannic monsters or closed.
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#37 Post by Chris Seiber »

Troy Stark wrote: November 4th, 2020, 4:46 am is "Drink," "Hold," or "Drink or hold."

Change my mind.
I think for the subset of wines for which that is an important question, that is very helpful information. How is this 2006 Barolo doing, is it getting into a decent drinking window, how much aeration does it need. I find that very useful in CT and WB notes.

But for most wines, that really isn't a question, or much of a question. So it depends on the wine.

I think the biggest thing for me is how good was the wine, how much did you like it, was it worth the money. I realize that is highly subjective (though so is the "drink / hold" opinion), but that's the biggest thing to communicate in a tasting note.

I also like comments that suggest the style of the wine. If it's a chardonnay, I like to know whether it is presenting as rich and buttery, or lean and acidic, how much oak is noticeable, etc.

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#38 Post by Brian G r a f s t r o m »

Sarah Kirschbaum wrote: November 4th, 2020, 10:15 am
Brian G r a f s t r o m wrote: November 4th, 2020, 9:52 am
Sarah Kirschbaum wrote: November 4th, 2020, 5:42 am I find tasting notes most helpful when they include most or all of the following:

- How was the wine handed? (Decanting, stems used, how long it was open before serving, serving temp etc.)
- Some comment on the nose - expressive, mute, any offensive notes?
- Some comment on the body and weight
- Some sense of the palate - Balanced? Acidic? Tannic? Mouthfeel? Fruit? Mineral?
- How did the wine behave over time and how long was that time?
- How did the wine strike you emotionally? Or simply, did you like it?
- Some comment on current drinkability and projection of its future aging curve.

I find those things can encapsulate the experience of drinking a wine, and help me understand that wine, more than a list of fruits and flowers and spices, though those are interesting, too.
That is virtually an outline for my TN format. champagne.gif

(so, in other words, I agree with you. :) )
That must be why I generally find your notes helpful. :)
As I find yours, to me, as well. [cheers.gif]
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#39 Post by Mike Grammer »

I will be ruggedly honest here---I post most of my TNs for my own reference, so that I can go back to them---not only for my own thoughts, but often (if at an OL or dinner party e.g.) for what others were thinking that night/day. As with some of the others above, a note will mean more to me if I've somehow calibrated the person's palate and tastes with mine (and that can be an opposite view as well). It gives things a reference point. But I do generally get most "excited" reading someone else's note if they say they were wowed by a wine or enjoyed it.

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#40 Post by R. Frankel »

T. Williams wrote: November 4th, 2020, 9:01 am
R. Frankel wrote: November 4th, 2020, 8:44 am
If someone uses CT to track the who and the where that doesn’t bother me. That note isn’t for the rest of us, but sheesh, let people use the tool the way they want.
That is what the private notes feature is for.
We'll have to agree to disagree. There aren't any fixed rules or requirements for how to use private notes vs. public tasting notes. I am 100% ok with people using the tool the way they want. It's very easy to skip unhelpful public notes.

Sure, I do use the private note feature for this kind of information. I also use it for short notes that I don't think are "worthy" of the public but I'm not incredibly consistent. I've found some very detailed private notes in my database.

I am pretty happy about this discussion though - I find it helpful and it may even inspire me to take better notes.

How awesome would it be in CT if one could see all of one's friends/folks your fans of at the top of the list of notes. I am going to go request that feature!
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If it’s atypical (for producer variety and vintage) and if so why. Either in terms of quality, or style.

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Helpful to who? For what purpose?

Too open ended for me.

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#43 Post by Brian G r a f s t r o m »

R. Frankel wrote: November 4th, 2020, 12:39 pm
T. Williams wrote: November 4th, 2020, 9:01 am
R. Frankel wrote: November 4th, 2020, 8:44 am
If someone uses CT to track the who and the where that doesn’t bother me. That note isn’t for the rest of us, but sheesh, let people use the tool the way they want.
That is what the private notes feature is for.
We'll have to agree to disagree. There aren't any fixed rules or requirements for how to use private notes vs. public tasting notes. I am 100% ok with people using the tool the way they want. It's very easy to skip unhelpful public notes.

Sure, I do use the private note feature for this kind of information. I also use it for short notes that I don't think are "worthy" of the public but I'm not incredibly consistent. I've found some very detailed private notes in my database.

I am pretty happy about this discussion though - I find it helpful and it may even inspire me to take better notes.

How awesome would it be in CT if one could see all of one's friends/folks your fans of at the top of the list of notes. I am going to go request that feature!
That exact feature already exists. And, yes, it is very nice.

Navigate to the page for a popular wine. Go to the "Community Notes" part of the page. Before the first community note, you will see a Dropdown menu that gives you various options on how to sort the Tasting Notes. Select "I'm a fan first." Then, everyone who you are a "fan" of (called "favorite tasters" in the original CT) will have their notes displayed first.
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#44 Post by Jon Drummond »

The most helpful things:
- Provenance and condition of the wine;
- Serving temperature;
- Preparation of wine (eg. decanted or not, how long, etc).

All drastically affect a tasting note.

Compare a) a wine bought on the auction with poor levels, tasted in a hot room, popped and poured; with b) a wine professionally cellared since released and with excellent fill levels, tasted at proper temperature, and with proper preparation before hand. Two totally different outcomes.

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#45 Post by Dan Hammer »

Marcus Goodfellow wrote: November 4th, 2020, 8:37 am
Sarah Kirschbaum wrote: November 4th, 2020, 5:42 am I find tasting notes most helpful when they include most or all of the following:

- How was the wine handed? (Decanting, stems used, how long it was open before serving, serving temp etc.)
- Some comment on the nose - expressive, mute, any offensive notes?
- Some comment on the body and weight
- Some sense of the palate - Balanced? Acidic? Tannic? Mouthfeel? Fruit? Mineral?
- How did the wine behave over time and how long was that time?
- How did the wine strike you emotionally? Or simply, did you like it?
- Some comment on current drinkability and projection of its future aging curve.

I find those things can encapsulate the experience of drinking a wine, and help me understand that wine, more than a list of fruits and flowers and spices, though those are interesting, too.
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Palates are subjective, and TNs are only useful to me if they contain enough information for me to sift through and get an actual feel for the personality of the wine. I haven’t seen a good tasting note that could be deconstructed into pieces and still be as useful as a complete note.
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#46 Post by Anton D »

“Recommended” or “not recommended.”
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#47 Post by Mattstolz »

depends a lot on the wine. I do think there is a lot of info to be gained from how long the wine was open and how it evolved over that time. almost literally everything else is completely subjective. although I do like to know if a wine felt youthful or tired, and what kind of fruit notes people were getting.

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#48 Post by Marshall Manning »

I appreciate tasting notes that clearly describe the style of the wine, use comparisons of color and body (especially on aged wines) relative to its peers, and that give the taster's impressions of the aromas, flavors, etc. Of course not everyone will perceive the same things, but it at least gives an idea of what to expect. If I see people commenting on the oak, chocolate, coffee, vanilla, etc., I know it's probably not something I'm going to like.
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#49 Post by Marcus Goodfellow »

R. Frankel wrote: November 4th, 2020, 8:44 am Some good ideas here. I’ve thought a lot about what I put in my notes, maybe will make a few changes.

I still struggle with who the note is for. Is my note for future me? Or for the public? I’m now at about 70/30. 70% is for future me (my memory stinks). A record of what I drank, liked/didn’t like, why, and readiness, really helps me think about what to get more of and when to open bottles. The 30% is based on my awareness that contribution to the community is worthwhile. I find others’ notes really helpful, so I want to do my small part. But I’m not a professional wine writer and likely will never be one.

If someone uses CT to track the who and the where that doesn’t bother me. That note isn’t for the rest of us, but sheesh, let people use the tool the way they want.
I completely agree with that.

But this thread seems to be mostly about how we use the tool personally. My opinion isn’t “right”, it’s just how I interpet TNs and because Troy requested our opinions.
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