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#1 Post by J D o v e » November 2nd, 2020, 6:34 pm

Couple more F. Alessandria 2016s tasted over a couple of nights this weekend. Did Osso Buco (sous vide) last tonight with Risotto Milanese — great with the wines.

2016 F. Alessandria Barolo
Soaring floral nose with some blood orange, white pepper and pomegranate in the background. Mouth-filling, some richness brought into balance with grip and crisp acids underneath all the fresh fruity goodness. Love it.

2016 F. Alessandria San Lorenzo
Very similar to the normale — but notably deeper and slightly darker fruit. This is a powerful wine. Perfect blend of richness and structure. Long finish. One of the better 2016s I’ve tried so far. Highly recommended.

Tonight opened another on deck 2016 Barolo:

2016 F. Serio & Battista Borgogno Barolo Cannubi
This is the first 2016 Barolo I’ve had where there’s been a distinct green note on the nose. My wife called it wheatgrass. It’s close to currant leaf for me — but, it’s definitely green. Also shows some bright cherry fruit, toasted star anise, and maybe some faint brett? Very complex nose. Mid-weight palate is tight — pomegranate and tart cherry fruit wrapped up in a lot of acidity with a really firm tannic backbone. If you’re looking for a rich, sensuous 2016 Barolo, like some of the P. Scavino wines, this isn’t it. But there’s something really interesting about this. I’ll bet this wine will be crazy aromatic when it matures. If the fruit fills out, it will be an epic value. Worth a bet for sure.


I can’t get over how good these 2016s are.
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#2 Post by F.Daner » November 3rd, 2020, 2:11 am

Thanks Jim. I'm with you on the vintage and how good the wines are. Thanks for posting on the F. Alessandria Normale. I picked up a few more over the weekend at a great price( Union Square Wines). Here are the one's I've had so far with brief thoughts

Cordero Montezemolo Monfalletto- my 2nd favorite normal right now( behind Burlotto). A touch on the modern side but so good and really ready right now. Not as rich as the Scavino Monvigliero. Continued to develop over several hours and never shut down. Bought more

Burlotto- What can you say other than wow. A step up from 15 it is young but showing well. I love the style. If you have enough try one now. These are still around a bit if your willing to pay a premium

Vietti Castiglione- wow will give the Burlotto a run for the money in a few years. Classical expression that I had from a 375. It tightens up with air. 12 hours later the last few ounces were better and show tremendous promise. Bought more easy case purchase.

Luigi Pira Serralunga- more expressive and open than Massolino. It opens up nicely with air and very good with food. A nice Serralunga now to try but will be better in 3 years. Going to buy more

Massolino Serralunga- wow, wall of tannin. Flavors peaked out a bit over the first 2 hours before shutting down. A very classical expression that will be a beautiful wine in 5 years. It was open and showing on day 3. Bought more and will leave them alone.

Paulo Scavino- needs an hour then starts to show and continues to develop with air. A more modern easy drinking wine that delivers for the price. Not my favorite but a solid wine. Preferred 16 Sandrone Nebbiolo quite a bit over this one. Perhaps not a fair compare but price was about the same.

My only cru so far
Scavino Monvigliero- rated it 97. Very modern style delivered in a big riper style. Beautiful nose. I think with some time these will shed some baby fat. Preferred it with food(veal chop) and on day 2. posted a full note here.

What am I most excited to try next ? F. Rinaldi and F. Allesandria Normale's. A lot of wine is showing up over the next 3 weeks in Florida !
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#3 Post by J D o v e » November 3rd, 2020, 7:44 am

I have Burlotto in the on deck circle. It will have to be unusually good to justify buying more, particularly given the quality of the F. Alessandria normale. Actually, you can get many of the vineyard designates for the price of the Burlotto normale.

I went to my local Total Wine to pick up a bottle of Vermouth Sunday. I generally don’t buy wine there but I peeked on the Piedmont section and they had the Vietti for $40. I needed it like I needed a hole in my head but hey, it was $40 a bottle, so I left with a six pack. I agree that it is terrific in 2016. If it turns out as good as the lesser 2005 I had a few weeks ago, I’ll be happy.

I have a lot to try in the coming weeks. When I go deep in a vintage I like to try everything up front. With my notes and a generally good memory when it comes to wine, it’s fun to reflect back on where you were right and wrong about the evolution of particular wines.
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#4 Post by C. Keller » November 3rd, 2020, 5:12 pm

Hoping to do a tasting of the Fratelli, Vietti Castiglione and Paolo Scavino Barolo this weekend. Will report back.
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#5 Post by ChrisJames » November 3rd, 2020, 5:47 pm

J Dove wrote:
November 2nd, 2020, 6:34 pm


Tonight opened another on deck 2016 Barolo:

2016 F. Serio & Battista Borgogno Barolo Cannubi
This is the first 2016 Barolo I’ve had where there’s been a distinct green note on the nose. My wife called it wheatgrass. It’s close to currant leaf for me — but, it’s definitely green. Also shows some bright cherry fruit, toasted star anise, and maybe some faint brett? Very complex nose. Mid-weight palate is tight — pomegranate and tart cherry fruit wrapped up in a lot of acidity with a really firm tannic backbone. If you’re looking for a rich, sensuous 2016 Barolo, like some of the P. Scavino wines, this isn’t it. But there’s something really interesting about this. I’ll bet this wine will be crazy aromatic when it matures. If the fruit fills out, it will be an epic value. Worth a bet for sure.


I can’t get over how good these 2016s are.
Really nice to see a note on this producer. I had a wonderful afternoon many years ago with Serio and his daughter (current winemaker) at the winery. An old friend of mine had told me about a fantastic bottle of 1961 Barolo he'd had from this producer. They are the oldest producer in Cannubi and are located right in the middle of the cru with Cannubi plots all around them. I found their wines to be really high quality old school stuff and ended up drinking a half case of the 1996 Cannubi in the 8-14 year range. It would have been nice to save some for longer, but it was delicious already and I just wanted to drink it. No regrets! [cheers.gif]

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#6 Post by J D o v e » November 3rd, 2020, 6:03 pm

C. Keller wrote:
November 3rd, 2020, 5:12 pm
Hoping to do a tasting of the Fratelli, Vietti Castiglione and Paolo Scavino Barolo this weekend. Will report back.
The Alessandria will be a little like Bordeaux among Cali Cabs to use an analogy. Look past that fact and you’ll find a really great wine. But, together with those other two, I suspect it will likely come across as a little less rich. They’re all three very good in their own right. And, the Scavinos crus are a steal, IMO.
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#7 Post by C. Keller » November 3rd, 2020, 6:41 pm

J Dove wrote:
November 3rd, 2020, 6:03 pm
C. Keller wrote:
November 3rd, 2020, 5:12 pm
Hoping to do a tasting of the Fratelli, Vietti Castiglione and Paolo Scavino Barolo this weekend. Will report back.
The Alessandria will be a little like Bordeaux among Cali Cabs to use an analogy. Look past that fact and you’ll find a really great wine. But, together with those other two, I suspect it will likely come across as a little less rich. They’re all three very good in their own right. And, the Scavinos crus are a steal, IMO.
Good to know and I'll definitely be looking at it like this
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#8 Post by F.Daner » November 4th, 2020, 3:08 am

Jim- have you picked up Pira ? Definitley worth checking out their normale. I think the only F. Alessandria cru more than Burlotto normale is the Monvigliero so your spot on in terms of value. I think the Gramolere will be the first F. A cru I try.
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I have Burlotto in the on deck circle. It will have to be unusually good to justify buying more, particularly given the quality of the F. Alessandria normale. Actually, you can get many of the vineyard designates for the price of the Burlotto normale.

I went to my local Total Wine to pick up a bottle of Vermouth Sunday. I generally don’t buy wine there but I peeked on the Piedmont section and they had the Vietti for $40. I needed it like I needed a hole in my head but hey, it was $40 a bottle, so I left with a six pack. I agree that it is terrific in 2016. If it turns out as good as the lesser 2005 I had a few weeks ago, I’ll be happy.

I have a lot to try in the coming weeks. When I go deep in a vintage I like to try everything up front. With my notes and a generally good memory when it comes to wine, it’s fun to reflect back on where you were right and wrong about the evolution of particular wines.
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#9 Post by J D o v e » November 4th, 2020, 3:42 am

If you mean the Luigi Pira Serralunga d’Alba, then yes. It was among the first I bought. I tried it a couple of months ago and liked it. It’s a pretty hard wine, though. Quite tannic but with good fruit too. It’s $30 here. Good to have things like that around to keep your hands off the good stuff.

I had the Gramolere last night and posted on it.

The E. Pira Chiara Boschis wines on deck (Via Nuova, Cannubi, and Moscone). I may open them this weekend.
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#10 Post by F.Daner » November 6th, 2020, 1:13 am

That's a great price for the Pira.

Just had one of my NY retailers tell me the 3 bottles of Chiara Cannubi could not be filled as they oversold their supply even though I bought in Sept. Ended up with 1 bottle. First world problems for sure but was hoping to snag a few. Did you purchase F. Rinaldi ?
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If you mean the Luigi Pira Serralunga d’Alba, then yes. It was among the first I bought. I tried it a couple of months ago and liked it. It’s a pretty hard wine, though. Quite tannic but with good fruit too. It’s $30 here. Good to have things like that around to keep your hands off the good stuff.

I had the Gramolere last night and posted on it.

The E. Pira Chiara Boschis wines on deck (Via Nuova, Cannubi, and Moscone). I may open them this weekend.
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#11 Post by J D o v e » November 6th, 2020, 5:00 am

Yes. Bussia, Cannubi, and Brunate. It seemed like the reviews were fairly consistently luke warm. As I only have a couple of each, and as they tend to be rather hard and close down, I may not be opening them.

Gordons has some of the Chiara Cannubi be if I’m not mistaken.
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#12 Post by F.Daner » November 12th, 2020, 1:55 am

Jim- thanks for the heads up on Gordon's. I was able to pick up some of the Cannubi at a solid price.

I opened the 16 base F. Alessandria last night, wow what a terrific wine. Saved half a bottle to see how it does over 2 days. What a terrific wine and value.
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Yes. Bussia, Cannubi, and Brunate. It seemed like the reviews were fairly consistently luke warm. As I only have a couple of each, and as they tend to be rather hard and close down, I may not be opening them.

Gordons has some of the Chiara Cannubi be if I’m not mistaken.
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#13 Post by J D o v e » November 12th, 2020, 7:31 pm

Had a couple more 2016 Barolo tonight:

2016 Bruna Grimaldi Barolo Badarina
After being open a couple hours, the sulfur thankfully blows off. Rusty iron, violet, cinnamon, some hard candy cherry fruit. The longer it sits, the more it opens up. Mid-weight palate — lots of energy with zippy acids and plenty of structure wrapped around a good core of fruit. Powdery, ripe tannins. Really nice balance. Liked this one a lot after it opened up. Really a beautiful wine. Highly recommended.

2016 Burlotto Barolo
Some sulfur to blow off here too. Quiet nose — some tart cherry, a floral note, some orange peel. Interesting on the palate — it’s rounder than many of its peers but not because its riper or richer. Some clove-like spice. Can’t help but think of the 2015 Produttori di Carema Riserva when drinking this wine. Very different from other 2016 Barolo tasted so far — like it. Very good — but, at $65, there are (much) better options, IMO. From 375ml
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#14 Post by J D o v e » November 14th, 2020, 3:56 pm

2016 Paolo Scavino Bric del Fiasc
Huge nose from the decanter while pouring. After an hour decanted — Very complex, sweet and lifted nose with cherries, some thyme, and something verging on baking spice. Plenty of fruit covering powdery tannins — everything in nice balance. Juicy and crunchy wine. Multidimensional is a good word for this. Very good. Classic iron fist in a velvet glove kind of wine. A keeper.
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#15 Post by David Baum » November 14th, 2020, 11:30 pm

Tasted the Fiasc back in jan before lockdown while a winery rep was on a pre-arrival tour. Really liked it also and tops in the line up. Bought several

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#16 Post by C. Keller » November 15th, 2020, 5:40 am

C. Keller wrote:
November 3rd, 2020, 6:41 pm
J Dove wrote:
November 3rd, 2020, 6:03 pm
C. Keller wrote:
November 3rd, 2020, 5:12 pm
Hoping to do a tasting of the Fratelli, Vietti Castiglione and Paolo Scavino Barolo this weekend. Will report back.
The Alessandria will be a little like Bordeaux among Cali Cabs to use an analogy. Look past that fact and you’ll find a really great wine. But, together with those other two, I suspect it will likely come across as a little less rich. They’re all three very good in their own right. And, the Scavinos crus are a steal, IMO.
Good to know and I'll definitely be looking at it like this
Went thru with the 2016 "entry levels" yesterday. All were decanted for 3-4 hours before being consumed.

Vietti Castiglione - jumps out of the glass with leather and cigar aromas, nice acidity and not too tannic at the moment. Probably my favorite of the night

F Alessandria Normale - I had high hopes but this just didn't deliver. Very light, not much on the nose but for some mint, eucalyptus and alcohol. Palate had a nice backbone of acidity and berries but the finish was rather short

Paolo Scavino - pretty nose of berries to start but that eventually faded and the tannins just took over. Smelled like tea and tasted like tea.

All in all these were ok and fun to compare. Would I buy more? Maybe just because its my wedding year.
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#17 Post by J D o v e » November 15th, 2020, 6:07 am

Chris, if you don’t mind me asking, what do you normally drink? And how long have you been buying wine?

I was married in 1992. I only wish I had a vintage like 2016 to pick from! You’ve got basically everything to choose from.
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#18 Post by C. Keller » November 15th, 2020, 10:18 am

J Dove wrote:
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Chris, if you don’t mind me asking, what do you normally drink? And how long have you been buying wine?

I was married in 1992. I only wish I had a vintage like 2016 to pick from! You’ve got basically everything to choose from.
Mainly Syrah and Chard (White Burgundy). I drink a good amount of Barbera also. Trying to get into Barolo just having trouble getting acquainted to it. It may be not be my thing. I've been going at this whole wine thing for 4-5 years now.
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#19 Post by F.Daner » November 15th, 2020, 10:47 am

Chris- I'm wondering if decanting might have affected at least the F Alessandria. I found it to be much more expressive than you both on the nose and palate. I loved it and the Vietti though I thought the Vietti needs a few years. I thought the Scavino was fine but of the 3 only one I didn't buy more than I already have.

If you try anymore 16 Barolo I would skip the decanting and try them over a few hours from bottle. Too much air can definitely shut down some.
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C. Keller wrote:
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November 3rd, 2020, 6:03 pm


The Alessandria will be a little like Bordeaux among Cali Cabs to use an analogy. Look past that fact and you’ll find a really great wine. But, together with those other two, I suspect it will likely come across as a little less rich. They’re all three very good in their own right. And, the Scavinos crus are a steal, IMO.
Good to know and I'll definitely be looking at it like this
Went thru with the 2016 "entry levels" yesterday. All were decanted for 3-4 hours before being consumed.

Vietti Castiglione - jumps out of the glass with leather and cigar aromas, nice acidity and not too tannic at the moment. Probably my favorite of the night

F Alessandria Normale - I had high hopes but this just didn't deliver. Very light, not much on the nose but for some mint, eucalyptus and alcohol. Palate had a nice backbone of acidity and berries but the finish was rather short

Paolo Scavino - pretty nose of berries to start but that eventually faded and the tannins just took over. Smelled like tea and tasted like tea.

All in all these were ok and fun to compare. Would I buy more? Maybe just because its my wedding year.
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#20 Post by F.Daner » November 15th, 2020, 10:48 am

I promised myself I was done buying 2016 Barolo, how did I miss this one [cheers.gif]
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2016 Paolo Scavino Bric del Fiasc
Huge nose from the decanter while pouring. After an hour decanted — Very complex, sweet and lifted nose with cherries, some thyme, and something verging on baking spice. Plenty of fruit covering powdery tannins — everything in nice balance. Juicy and crunchy wine. Multidimensional is a good word for this. Very good. Classic iron fist in a velvet glove kind of wine. A keeper.
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#21 Post by C. Keller » November 15th, 2020, 4:32 pm

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November 15th, 2020, 10:47 am
Chris- I'm wondering if decanting might have affected at least the F Alessandria. I found it to be much more expressive than you both on the nose and palate. I loved it and the Vietti though I thought the Vietti needs a few years. I thought the Scavino was fine but of the 3 only one I didn't buy more than I already have.

If you try anymore 16 Barolo I would skip the decanting and try them over a few hours from bottle. Too much air can definitely shut down some.
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Good to know and I'll definitely be looking at it like this
I'll try the non decanting method next.

Going to keep exploring. May even try the high end route but not the 2016 vintage. Maybe something with a few more years on it. I'll take recs if you have them.

Thanks
Went thru with the 2016 "entry levels" yesterday. All were decanted for 3-4 hours before being consumed.

Vietti Castiglione - jumps out of the glass with leather and cigar aromas, nice acidity and not too tannic at the moment. Probably my favorite of the night

F Alessandria Normale - I had high hopes but this just didn't deliver. Very light, not much on the nose but for some mint, eucalyptus and alcohol. Palate had a nice backbone of acidity and berries but the finish was rather short

Paolo Scavino - pretty nose of berries to start but that eventually faded and the tannins just took over. Smelled like tea and tasted like tea.

All in all these were ok and fun to compare. Would I buy more? Maybe just because its my wedding year.
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#22 Post by C. Keller » November 15th, 2020, 4:33 pm

I'll try the non decanting method next.

Going to keep exploring. May even try the high end route but not the 2016 vintage. Maybe something with a few more years on it. I'll take recs if you have them.

Thanks
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#23 Post by F.Daner » November 16th, 2020, 3:11 am

I love Grasso and their Casa Mate. The 08 is fantastic and in a great spot. Looks like 2 at a very good price available here
https://www.vinfolio.com/2008-Elio-Gras ... ttlesize=2

The 12 Case Mate is also available at several retailers. I have 2 coming soon. The notes on cellar tracker look very promising.

2015 Vajra Ravera also looks to be an excellent choice. This wouldn't fit the bill of something with age on it but the notes on CT and the AG review are strong and it looks like it's not shut down. I will probably open one of mine soon. Also available at good pricing. The 2014 Vajra Bricco Del Ville (BDV) while young is excellent. I had one a few weeks ago and loved it.

Winebid auctions will have 2008 and 2010 of many producers occasionally available at decent prices as well.
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I'll try the non decanting method next.

Going to keep exploring. May even try the high end route but not the 2016 vintage. Maybe something with a few more years on it. I'll take recs if you have them.

Thanks
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#24 Post by RMann » November 16th, 2020, 2:30 pm

F.Daner wrote:
November 16th, 2020, 3:11 am
I love Grasso and their Casa Mate. The 08 is fantastic and in a great spot. Looks like 2 at a very good price available here
https://www.vinfolio.com/2008-Elio-Gras ... ttlesize=2

The 12 Case Mate is also available at several retailers. I have 2 coming soon. The notes on cellar tracker look very promising.

2015 Vajra Ravera also looks to be an excellent choice. This wouldn't fit the bill of something with age on it but the notes on CT and the AG review are strong and it looks like it's not shut down. I will probably open one of mine soon. Also available at good pricing. The 2014 Vajra Bricco Del Ville (BDV) while young is excellent. I had one a few weeks ago and loved it.

Winebid auctions will have 2008 and 2010 of many producers occasionally available at decent prices as well.
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I'll try the non decanting method next.

Going to keep exploring. May even try the high end route but not the 2016 vintage. Maybe something with a few more years on it. I'll take recs if you have them.

Thanks
[cheers.gif] Thanks for the mention!
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#25 Post by C. Keller » November 16th, 2020, 6:24 pm

F.Daner wrote:
November 16th, 2020, 3:11 am
I love Grasso and their Casa Mate. The 08 is fantastic and in a great spot. Looks like 2 at a very good price available here
https://www.vinfolio.com/2008-Elio-Gras ... ttlesize=2

The 12 Case Mate is also available at several retailers. I have 2 coming soon. The notes on cellar tracker look very promising.

2015 Vajra Ravera also looks to be an excellent choice. This wouldn't fit the bill of something with age on it but the notes on CT and the AG review are strong and it looks like it's not shut down. I will probably open one of mine soon. Also available at good pricing. The 2014 Vajra Bricco Del Ville (BDV) while young is excellent. I had one a few weeks ago and loved it.

Winebid auctions will have 2008 and 2010 of many producers occasionally available at decent prices as well.
C. Keller wrote:
November 15th, 2020, 4:33 pm
I'll try the non decanting method next.

Going to keep exploring. May even try the high end route but not the 2016 vintage. Maybe something with a few more years on it. I'll take recs if you have them.

Thanks
Thanks. Ill hunt some of these down. Looks like PA has the 2015 Ravera. If I recall, back when I first started I had a Vajra BDV when I first got into wine and really enjoyed it. I always forget about this producer.

Was going to bite on the 2008 Elio but Vinfolio wants over $40 to ship the 2 bottles! No thanks. I'll divert to the 2012. And I'll check out WineBid as well.
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#26 Post by F.Daner » November 17th, 2020, 1:58 am

Chris- here is another one. I picked up a few myself 13 Grasso Chiniera

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=170438&p=3054660&hi ... o#p3054660
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I'll try the non decanting method next.

Going to keep exploring. May even try the high end route but not the 2016 vintage. Maybe something with a few more years on it. I'll take recs if you have them.

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#27 Post by F.Daner » November 22nd, 2020, 5:40 am

These are on sale at Rye Brook in NY at a great price -$78
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2016 Paolo Scavino Bric del Fiasc
Huge nose from the decanter while pouring. After an hour decanted — Very complex, sweet and lifted nose with cherries, some thyme, and something verging on baking spice. Plenty of fruit covering powdery tannins — everything in nice balance. Juicy and crunchy wine. Multidimensional is a good word for this. Very good. Classic iron fist in a velvet glove kind of wine. A keeper.
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#28 Post by Dav1d S@wyer » November 22nd, 2020, 8:42 pm

Our 4th anniversary was Thursday so I decided to open my first '16 Barolo. Waaaayy too young.

2016 Fratelli Alessandria Barolo Monvigliero
Four hour decant in advance then drunk over several hours. Still WAY too young with really gripping tannins. My initial thought was that it was very Burgundian because it lacked the typical tar notes. Big rose, violets, and black cherry nose backed up by a pleasant earthiness then an elegant, lithe palate that doesn't yet express much complexity. The balance is fantastic even at this stage though. You can tell right away that this has a ton of upside but it needs another ten years before it will really start to peak.

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#29 Post by J D o v e » November 24th, 2020, 4:54 pm

2016 Elvio Cogno Cascina Nuova
A wine you can smell before the glass leaves the table. Candied cherry, cinnamon, some orange peel, bit of licorice and some pleasant greenness. Beautiful nose. Taught cherry fruit is obscured a bit by the typical ripe powdery-textured tannins you get on the ‘16s. A bit wound up, but so much to like here. Did I say it has a beautiful nose? Recommended. Can’t wait to try the Ravera...
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#30 Post by F.Daner » November 25th, 2020, 2:51 am

You went big for your first 2016 ! Happy Anniversary.

If you have their base Barolo give that one a shot. It's terrific and very approachable.
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Our 4th anniversary was Thursday so I decided to open my first '16 Barolo. Waaaayy too young.

2016 Fratelli Alessandria Barolo Monvigliero
Four hour decant in advance then drunk over several hours. Still WAY too young with really gripping tannins. My initial thought was that it was very Burgundian because it lacked the typical tar notes. Big rose, violets, and black cherry nose backed up by a pleasant earthiness then an elegant, lithe palate that doesn't yet express much complexity. The balance is fantastic even at this stage though. You can tell right away that this has a ton of upside but it needs another ten years before it will really start to peak.

I'll hold the rest of mine until 2030 and later.
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Re: 2016 Barolo Notes (added Cogno Ravera)

#31 Post by J D o v e » November 25th, 2020, 3:20 pm

2016 Elvio Cogno Ravera
Tasted this next to the ‘16 Cascina Nuova from last night for comparison (which was under argon). Very similar on the nose. The Ravera starts off with a good bit of sulfur. A couple of hours later, it gives way to hard cherry candy, cinnamon, some rose, white pepper, and, like the Cascina Nuova, something faintly green. Just explosive on the palate — the interplay of crunchy red raspberry and cherry, juicy acidity, and powdery tannins give a real sense of energy. Very persistent finish. Mid-weight but an absolute mouthful of tastiness. I would expect this to shut down soon. A favorite from the vintage so far. Very highly recommended.
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Re: TN: Some more 2016 Barolo

#32 Post by C. Keller » November 28th, 2020, 5:29 pm

C. Keller wrote:
November 15th, 2020, 5:40 am
C. Keller wrote:
November 3rd, 2020, 6:41 pm
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November 3rd, 2020, 6:03 pm


The Alessandria will be a little like Bordeaux among Cali Cabs to use an analogy. Look past that fact and you’ll find a really great wine. But, together with those other two, I suspect it will likely come across as a little less rich. They’re all three very good in their own right. And, the Scavinos crus are a steal, IMO.
Good to know and I'll definitely be looking at it like this
Went thru with the 2016 "entry levels" yesterday. All were decanted for 3-4 hours before being consumed.

Vietti Castiglione - jumps out of the glass with leather and cigar aromas, nice acidity and not too tannic at the moment. Probably my favorite of the night

F Alessandria Normale - I had high hopes but this just didn't deliver. Very light, not much on the nose but for some mint, eucalyptus and alcohol. Palate had a nice backbone of acidity and berries but the finish was rather short

Paolo Scavino - pretty nose of berries to start but that eventually faded and the tannins just took over. Smelled like tea and tasted like tea.

All in all these were ok and fun to compare. Would I buy more? Maybe just because its my wedding year.
Went with a 2016 Brovia Barolo tonight. PnP basically. Out of the bottle into a Zalto Carafe for about 15 minutes and then into Conterno Sensory. Have to say this is probably my favorite so far. It was a little shy in the beginning but its opened up with some berries and tar after a few hours. Palate is tad short and there isn't much depth but this seems smoother to me out of all of them. Its not at tannic as the others
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#33 Post by Mattstolz » November 28th, 2020, 7:48 pm

2016 GD Vajra Barolo Albe
This wine is always a great QPR, and is always a good choice for an early check in on a vintage because of style, even though its still got all the classic notes of berries, roses, some leather, but dominated by the fruit at this time. its not a shy wine, but its a really enjoyable one.

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#34 Post by Diane Kessler » November 29th, 2020, 5:45 am

Mattstolz wrote:
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2016 GD Vajra Barolo Albe
This wine is always a great QPR, and is always a good choice for an early check in on a vintage because of style, even though its still got all the classic notes of berries, roses, some leather, but dominated by the fruit at this time. its not a shy wine, but its a really enjoyable one.
Good to read this as I kept 1 out of the cellar for an early check. Maybe next week.

I opened a 2016 Trediberri and found it very enjoyable. The nose was lacking but plenty of sour cherries and florals on the palate. Tannins started out soft but tightened up with air.

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#35 Post by F.Daner » November 29th, 2020, 6:27 am

Morrell and Company in NY has 20% off today and tomorrow. Free shipping for orders over $199. Still have some good selection on 16's if you missed and some solid 13's as well. Full line up of Brovia 2015 too. I posted a note on this one last week, great wine :

Cordero di Montezemolo - Barolo Bricco Gattera 2013 - terrific wine and available at an attractive price.

happy hunting
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#36 Post by Mattstolz » November 29th, 2020, 6:56 am

Diane Kessler wrote:
November 29th, 2020, 5:45 am
Mattstolz wrote:
November 28th, 2020, 7:48 pm
2016 GD Vajra Barolo Albe
This wine is always a great QPR, and is always a good choice for an early check in on a vintage because of style, even though its still got all the classic notes of berries, roses, some leather, but dominated by the fruit at this time. its not a shy wine, but its a really enjoyable one.
Good to read this as I kept 1 out of the cellar for an early check. Maybe next week.

I opened a 2016 Trediberri and found it very enjoyable. The nose was lacking but plenty of sour cherries and florals on the palate. Tannins started out soft but tightened up with air.
I really do think Vajra is made in a way where even if they will improve with age (which I definitely think they will) they are enjoyable almost right out of the gate. especially with the Albe, its priced in a way that opening one now is pretty pain free

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#37 Post by J D o v e » November 29th, 2020, 3:53 pm

Tasted side-by-side over 3h:

2016 E. Pira (Chiara Boschis) Via Nuova
Which of these is not like the others? Well, this one. On the nose, the oak is noticeable and takes you vaguely toward a Pomerol or a very toned down version of a top Ribera del Duero (gasp). Besides a bit of oak spice, there’s plummy fruit on the nose — but, really, few of the Nebbiolo superlatives are to be found here. I would not have guessed this to be Barolo on the nose. Palate is a bit of a paradox — really confit red plum and dark cherry fruit flavors that are at the same time very fresh and crunchy. Light and at the same time quite concentrated. Tannins are a bit dry and ultimately clamp down on the longish finish. Quite open for business. Very, very tasty. This girl might be even more beautiful without the make-up...

2016 G.D. Vajra Bricco delle Viole
This wine is wide open today... Big and sweet nose with violets, dark and red cherry fruit, and a bit of pine. I’ve only had a few of these young and this is the sweetest and roundest I can remember. Explosive cherry fruit bomb of a wine — similar in its style to what’s noted above for the Via Nuova, a rich concentrated confit like quality that is at the same time very crunchy. Fans out on the palate. The structure is there — but, it’s just buried by the fruit today. Long finish. Spectacular stuff and, along with the Cogno Ravera, my favorite 2016 so far. Very highly recommended.
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#38 Post by Dav1d S@wyer » November 29th, 2020, 6:28 pm

PSA: Morrell has all in stock Barolo and Barbaresco 20% off with free shipping over $200. Lots of 2016s at great pricing including a mag of '16 Vajra BdV for like $160. Thought this was a good place to share the sale.
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#39 Post by Andrew M » November 30th, 2020, 9:55 am

FYI - Eataly Vino NY has 30% off select 6 bottle orders , including the 2016 Brovia which nets at $45/btl after tax and free shipping. That is a steal, highly recommend. This was my favorite 2016 normale out of ~10 tried.
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#40 Post by F.Daner » November 30th, 2020, 2:49 pm

They also have Vajra BDV which would be $70 after discount, Cordero Monfalletto at $36 and anyone trying to find Burlotto Monvigliero it would be $200 with the 30% off. easily the lowest price by a large margin according to WS.

That would be a nice 6 pack along with Brovia.
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#41 Post by John Morris » December 1st, 2020, 7:40 pm

Opened a '16 Schiavenza - Ceretta this evening with veal chops in a chanterelle cream sauce. Popped and poured, without a decant.

Powerful scents of black licorice from the moment the cork was pulled, backed up by a melange of deep, dark fruits -- some plums, black cherry, blackberry. Broad shouldered; very masculine; very Serralunga-ish. "Like the big jock at the end of the bench," my friend said. Dense at first, with layers of fruit and ample tannin. (The last small pour seems more refined/finessed.) The black licorice is sustained across three hours. Very enjoyable now with meat, but with lots of concentration, all in balance, so it looks to have a good future. 93+. This has Serralunga written all over it.

Schiavenza is a traditional producer that flies under the radar, but they produce some very impressive wines. Here's a photo taken out the window of the winery the first week of December 2005:
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#42 Post by Sherri S h a p i r o » December 2nd, 2020, 5:02 am

Just wanted to say how much I am enjoying this thread. Have been shifting my wine buying toward Italy for a few years and am excited about this vintage.

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#43 Post by eweininger » December 2nd, 2020, 6:23 am

John Morris wrote:
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Opened a '16 Schiavenza - Ceretta this evening with veal chops in a chanterelle cream sauce. Popped and poured, without a decant.
Thanks for this, John. Can I ask whether you thought the alcohol stood out on this wine? I thought I remembered seeing something to that effect.
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#44 Post by eweininger » December 2nd, 2020, 6:30 am

Also, a belated thanks to Jim and everyone else who’s opened bottles and posted notes in this thread. I’ve relied on it quite a bit in putting together a small cross section of 2016s.
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#45 Post by John Morris » December 2nd, 2020, 9:12 am

eweininger wrote:
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John Morris wrote:
December 1st, 2020, 7:40 pm
Opened a '16 Schiavenza - Ceretta this evening with veal chops in a chanterelle cream sauce. Popped and poured, without a decant.
Thanks for this, John. Can I ask whether you thought the alcohol stood out on this wine? I thought I remembered seeing something to that effect.
It's labeled at 15%, but that didn't stand out, and I'm usually one of the first to notice high ABV. It was a cool night. Perhaps the alcohol might have been more conspicuous if the apartment had been warmer.
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#46 Post by C. Keller » December 2nd, 2020, 10:08 am

J D o v e wrote:
November 29th, 2020, 3:53 pm
Tasted side-by-side over 3h:

2016 E. Pira (Chiara Boschis) Via Nuova
Which of these is not like the others? Well, this one. On the nose, the oak is noticeable and takes you vaguely toward a Pomerol or a very toned down version of a top Ribera del Duero (gasp). Besides a bit of oak spice, there’s plummy fruit on the nose — but, really, few of the Nebbiolo superlatives are to be found here. I would not have guessed this to be Barolo on the nose. Palate is a bit of a paradox — really confit red plum and dark cherry fruit flavors that are at the same time very fresh and crunchy. Light and at the same time quite concentrated. Tannins are a bit dry and ultimately clamp down on the longish finish. Quite open for business. Very, very tasty. This girl might be even more beautiful without the make-up...
Hmmm.... not what I was expecting either. I have 2 of these that I bought on a whim because of the 100pt score and the price I was offered $99. I guess I will definitely be keeping my hands off. Was going to use these for a milestone wedding anniversary so more incentive to do so now.

I have a 2016 Elvio Cogno Ravera on the way that I will try next weekend probably and I'll report back.
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#47 Post by Greg K » December 2nd, 2020, 10:23 am

J D o v e wrote:
November 29th, 2020, 3:53 pm
Tasted side-by-side over 3h:

2016 E. Pira (Chiara Boschis) Via Nuova
Which of these is not like the others? Well, this one. On the nose, the oak is noticeable and takes you vaguely toward a Pomerol or a very toned down version of a top Ribera del Duero (gasp). Besides a bit of oak spice, there’s plummy fruit on the nose — but, really, few of the Nebbiolo superlatives are to be found here. I would not have guessed this to be Barolo on the nose. Palate is a bit of a paradox — really confit red plum and dark cherry fruit flavors that are at the same time very fresh and crunchy. Light and at the same time quite concentrated. Tannins are a bit dry and ultimately clamp down on the longish finish. Quite open for business. Very, very tasty. This girl might be even more beautiful without the make-up...
Yeah, that's what I'd expect from this producer, and why I don't buy. Not my thing, personally; noticeable oak on Barolo is not something I like.

I had the 16 Alessandria Monvigliero recently; it's certainly not as charming as the Burlotto Monvigliero and has a darker fruit profile, but it's a lovely wine and drank pretty well on pop and pour. I'd have had better tasting notes, but it was consumed towards the end of the night a few weeks back. A very nice wine though.
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#48 Post by ChrisJames » December 2nd, 2020, 10:41 am

Greg K wrote:
December 2nd, 2020, 10:23 am
J D o v e wrote:
November 29th, 2020, 3:53 pm
Tasted side-by-side over 3h:

2016 E. Pira (Chiara Boschis) Via Nuova
Which of these is not like the others? Well, this one. On the nose, the oak is noticeable and takes you vaguely toward a Pomerol or a very toned down version of a top Ribera del Duero (gasp). Besides a bit of oak spice, there’s plummy fruit on the nose — but, really, few of the Nebbiolo superlatives are to be found here. I would not have guessed this to be Barolo on the nose. Palate is a bit of a paradox — really confit red plum and dark cherry fruit flavors that are at the same time very fresh and crunchy. Light and at the same time quite concentrated. Tannins are a bit dry and ultimately clamp down on the longish finish. Quite open for business. Very, very tasty. This girl might be even more beautiful without the make-up...
Yeah, that's what I'd expect from this producer, and why I don't buy. Not my thing, personally; noticeable oak on Barolo is not something I like.
I wouldn't think anyone would be surprised by this. Has Chiara Boschis ever made Barolo that was not noticeably oaked in the last 20 years? She is a darling of critics and gets great scores, but she has certainly never been a producer of traditional Barolo.

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#49 Post by John Morris » December 2nd, 2020, 10:48 am

I think she dialed back on the oak somewhat in the early 2000s. I visited in 2005 and she said something about how "we had to go to extremes" to make a point, in the 90s, I assumed.

I'm generally quite averse to oak on nebbiolo, but her 01 Cannubi was very balanced in its early years.

Via Nuova isn't a top site, which might be another factor here.
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#50 Post by Andrew A r n t f i e l d » December 2nd, 2020, 10:53 am

ChrisJames wrote:
December 2nd, 2020, 10:41 am
Greg K wrote:
December 2nd, 2020, 10:23 am
J D o v e wrote:
November 29th, 2020, 3:53 pm
Tasted side-by-side over 3h:

2016 E. Pira (Chiara Boschis) Via Nuova
Which of these is not like the others? Well, this one. On the nose, the oak is noticeable and takes you vaguely toward a Pomerol or a very toned down version of a top Ribera del Duero (gasp). Besides a bit of oak spice, there’s plummy fruit on the nose — but, really, few of the Nebbiolo superlatives are to be found here. I would not have guessed this to be Barolo on the nose. Palate is a bit of a paradox — really confit red plum and dark cherry fruit flavors that are at the same time very fresh and crunchy. Light and at the same time quite concentrated. Tannins are a bit dry and ultimately clamp down on the longish finish. Quite open for business. Very, very tasty. This girl might be even more beautiful without the make-up...
Yeah, that's what I'd expect from this producer, and why I don't buy. Not my thing, personally; noticeable oak on Barolo is not something I like.
I wouldn't think anyone would be surprised by this. Has Chiara Boschis ever made Barolo that was not noticeably oaked in the last 20 years? She is a darling of critics and gets great scores, but she has certainly never been a producer of traditional Barolo.
Definitely not a darling of Kerin O'Keefe. Chiara Boschis / E. Pira doesn't get a single mention in her Barolo and Barbaresco book. But Kerin makes it clear right up front in the book that she isn't a fan of noticeable oak in Barolo, and consequently a number of modernist producers are barely mentioned.

Domenico Clerico fared marginally better than Boschis: Clerico at least had their name listed under "Other Wineries of Note" in the Monforte d'Alba chapter.
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