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#1 Post by Max S. » October 16th, 2020, 1:29 pm

Champagne is a tough one for me because I love it and its also often out of my price range. I've found a decent bottle of bubbles in the $20 range for less than special occasions, but would like to buy a 2-3 bottles per year in the $100-150 range. One to hold for 10-20 years and one or two to drink.

I love Bereche NV. I love Tarlant's Cuvee Louis. Aubry is decent for the price, but I'd almost always spend another $10 for Beecher NV. I think I like heavier Champs in general.

Any recommendations for what to look for? I'd like to target my search as much as possible just because it is so far out of my normal cost range.
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#2 Post by Hank Victor » October 16th, 2020, 2:35 pm

Half bottles of Krug MV for $75.
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#3 Post by Neal.Mollen » October 16th, 2020, 2:43 pm

Max S. wrote:
October 16th, 2020, 1:29 pm
Champagne is a tough one for me because I love it and its also often out of my price range. I've found a decent bottle of bubbles in the $20 range for less than special occasions, but would like to buy a 2-3 bottles per year in the $100-150 range. One to hold for 10-20 years and one or two to drink.

I love Bereche NV. I love Tarlant's Cuvee Louis. Aubry is decent for the price, but I'd almost always spend another $10 for Beecher NV. I think I like heavier Champs in general.

Any recommendations for what to look for? I'd like to target my search as much as possible just because it is so far out of my normal cost range.
In the 100-150 range there are a ton of great champagnes available. Forced to choose just one I'd probably pick Taittinger Comtes (you can still easily get the sensational 2006 in that range), but the Cedric Bouchard range is exceptional, I'd be thrilled with the Bolly Grand Annee or their GA rose. Vilmart CdC too.

I would have no interest in the Krug MV and certainly would not pay the premium for it. It's good; I have never been blown away
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#4 Post by JBrochu » October 16th, 2020, 2:49 pm

I really enjoy Lanson Noble Cuvee at around $90-$100 for stuff with 20 years of age on it.
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#5 Post by DanielP » October 16th, 2020, 2:51 pm

Unlike Neal, I love Krug MV. You should pick up a bottle from wineaccess.com in the deals/coupons thread. 140 shipped after referral bonus
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#6 Post by Neal.Mollen » October 16th, 2020, 2:53 pm

JBrochu wrote:
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I really enjoy Lanson Noble Cuvee at around $90-$100 for stuff with 20 years of age on it.
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#7 Post by Michael S. Monie » October 16th, 2020, 2:59 pm

Don't buy half bottles for long term aging! Cuvée Louis is a pretty oxidized style which I would also be cautious with long term aging. For my money, I'd go with the 2013 Pierre Peters Les Chetillions which can be enjoyed in the relatively short term, but will certainly go the distance for you.
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#8 Post by Max S. » October 16th, 2020, 3:20 pm

Michael S. Monie wrote:
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Don't buy half bottles for long term aging! Cuvée Louis is a pretty oxidized style which I would also be cautious with long term aging. For my money, I'd go with the 2013 Pierre Peters Les Chetillions which can be enjoyed in the relatively short term, but will certainly go the distance for you.
I'm wondering what it is that I really enjoy about, say, Bereche vs something "cleaner" so to speak. Is it time spent on lees? PN and PM vs Chard? Age in general? I haven't been able to narrow it down.
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#9 Post by Curtis Chen » October 16th, 2020, 3:24 pm

Krug, Bouchard, Pierre Peters, or Comtes. In that order.
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#10 Post by JBrochu » October 16th, 2020, 3:54 pm

Neal.Mollen wrote:
October 16th, 2020, 2:53 pm
JBrochu wrote:
October 16th, 2020, 2:49 pm
I really enjoy Lanson Noble Cuvee at around $90-$100 for stuff with 20 years of age on it.
Agree. Beautiful wine
I'm glad you agree. In the last 6 months or so I've noticed that my tastes align quite a bit with yours and I now often check CT to see if you've made a note on any Champagne that I'm considering purchasing.
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#11 Post by JBrochu » October 16th, 2020, 4:10 pm

DanielP wrote:
October 16th, 2020, 2:51 pm
Unlike Neal, I love Krug MV. You should pick up a bottle from wineaccess.com in the deals/coupons thread. 140 shipped after referral bonus
PSA for anybody with access to NH State Liquor stores. You can get Krug MV for $127.50 this month if you're willing to buy any 12 wines from France, Italy, and Spain. And there are usually 3 or 4 other months where you can get the same deal (15% off) without even buying 12 bottles.

Also, for some reason I love 167 eme and so far think 168 eme is "so so". It could be that 168 isn't really quite ready to drink, perhaps. Or it could be that I don't know what I'm talking about, as I'm fairly inexperienced. But I really love me some 167 while 168 gets all the accolades.
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#12 Post by K N Haque » October 16th, 2020, 7:57 pm

If you love Bereche NV, why not move up the lineup into the vintage bottlings? The Reflet d'Antan is in your price range, as are the Premier Crus.
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#13 Post by Max S. » October 16th, 2020, 8:24 pm

K N Haque wrote:
October 16th, 2020, 7:57 pm
If you love Bereche NV, why not move up the lineup into the vintage bottlings? The Reflet d'Antan is in your price range, as are the Premier Crus.
That makes way too much sense, get the heck outta here.
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#14 Post by Chris Blum » October 16th, 2020, 8:29 pm

Can I just suggest that you’d be better served buying 3 bottles of some decent every day champagne like J Dhondt, Camille Saves or _____ than putting buying a single $130 bottle. Champagne should be an everyday wine.
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#15 Post by K N Haque » October 16th, 2020, 8:46 pm

Max S. wrote:
October 16th, 2020, 8:24 pm
K N Haque wrote:
October 16th, 2020, 7:57 pm
If you love Bereche NV, why not move up the lineup into the vintage bottlings? The Reflet d'Antan is in your price range, as are the Premier Crus.
That makes way too much sense, get the heck outta here.
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#16 Post by Jeff L » October 17th, 2020, 4:01 am

Veuve la Grande Dame. I’ve never cared for their normal bottling but the GD is exceptional.
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#17 Post by Howard Cooper » October 17th, 2020, 4:29 am

2006 Taittinger Comte de Champagne. After you drink it, come back and thank me.
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#18 Post by HenryB » October 17th, 2020, 5:18 am

Just had a bottle of the 06 CdC Taittinger for my wife's birthday. I can vouch that it is, indeed, champagne. And a good one at that.
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#19 Post by Michael S. Monie » October 17th, 2020, 5:43 am

No doubt the 2006 Comtes is a great Champagne. If you hold it for 20 years it will be 34 years old from the vintage date when you go to drink it. The 2013 Chetillions will only be 27 years from vintage date. I'd put my money on the Chetillions.
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#20 Post by ChrisL » October 17th, 2020, 6:37 am

Dhondt Grellet premier temps and terre fines are great wines for what they cost. I’ve been loading up on this producer recently.
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#21 Post by Howard Cooper » October 17th, 2020, 6:41 am

Chris Blum wrote:
October 16th, 2020, 8:29 pm
Can I just suggest that you’d be better served buying 3 bottles of some decent every day champagne like J Dhondt, Camille Saves or _____ than putting buying a single $130 bottle. Champagne should be an everyday wine.
Should???????????????? Champagne, like every other wines, should be what one wants it to be.
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#22 Post by Max S. » October 17th, 2020, 6:45 am

Howard Cooper wrote:
October 17th, 2020, 6:41 am
Chris Blum wrote:
October 16th, 2020, 8:29 pm
Can I just suggest that you’d be better served buying 3 bottles of some decent every day champagne like J Dhondt, Camille Saves or _____ than putting buying a single $130 bottle. Champagne should be an everyday wine.
Should???????????????? Champagne, like every other wines, should be what one wants it to be.
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#23 Post by William Kelley » October 17th, 2020, 8:56 am

Michael S. Monie wrote:
October 16th, 2020, 2:59 pm
For my money, I'd go with the 2013 Pierre Peters Les Chetillions which can be enjoyed in the relatively short term, but will certainly go the distance for you.
Did you try it yet? I had it at the winery yesterday (we ended up doing a mini-vertical back to 1969, which was a lot of fun) and I'd say it's one of the most tightly-wound, incisive releases of Les Chétillons in recent years. It is a terrific wine which I warmly recommend, but right now it's like an electric shock and really needs some time to unwind. A bottle that had been opened for four days was easier to read than one popped during my visit.
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#24 Post by William Kelley » October 17th, 2020, 9:01 am

Max S. wrote:
October 16th, 2020, 3:20 pm
I'm wondering what it is that I really enjoy about, say, Bereche vs something "cleaner" so to speak. Is it time spent on lees? PN and PM vs Chard? Age in general? I haven't been able to narrow it down.
If you like Bérêche a lot, I would infer that you appreciate barrel fermented but still quite acid-driven, incisive styles of Champagne. It makes sense that you also enjoy Aubry. Something a bit more powerful and vinous while remaining very incisive would be Ulysse Collin's Les Pierrières. But if you like Bérêche a lot, why not simply explore some of their lieu-dit bottlings, or the Reflet d'Antan, as another poster has suggested? There's a lot to be said for getting to know fewer producers more thoroughly...
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#25 Post by Michael S. Monie » October 17th, 2020, 9:24 am

William Kelley wrote:
October 17th, 2020, 8:56 am
Michael S. Monie wrote:
October 16th, 2020, 2:59 pm
For my money, I'd go with the 2013 Pierre Peters Les Chetillions which can be enjoyed in the relatively short term, but will certainly go the distance for you.
Did you try it yet? I had it at the winery yesterday (we ended up doing a mini-vertical back to 1969, which was a lot of fun) and I'd say it's one of the most tightly-wound, incisive releases of Les Chétillons in recent years. It is a terrific wine which I warmly recommend, but right now it's like an electric shock and really needs some time to unwind. A bottle that had been opened for four days was easier to read than one popped during my visit.
No, I haven't. I bought based on what I read and that's why I said,"relative short term" knowing it's going to need some bottle time. I felt likewise about the 2012 when I tried it. I've purchased every vintage since the 2006 with the exception of 2010. (I've had the 2011 en magnum twice and thought it was exceptionally good considering the vintage.) My buying days are rapidly drawing to a close so I went long on both the 2012 and 2013 acquiring 12 750's and 9 magnums of each. I'm not worried about missing out on the 2008 Comtes.
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#26 Post by William Kelley » October 17th, 2020, 9:31 am

Michael S. Monie wrote:
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No, I haven't. I bought based on what I read and that's why I said,"relative short term" knowing it's going to need some bottle time. I felt likewise about the 2012 when I tried it. I've purchased every vintage since the 2006 with the exception of 2010. (I've had the 2011 en magnum twice and thought it was exceptionally good considering the vintage.) My buying days are rapidly drawing to a close so I went long on both the 2012 and 2013 acquiring 12 750's and 9 magnums of each. I'm not worried about missing out on the 2008 Comtes.
That's a great purchase! It's quite a bit tighter out of the gates than the 2012, though!
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#27 Post by Greg K » October 17th, 2020, 9:50 am

William Kelley wrote:
October 17th, 2020, 8:56 am
Michael S. Monie wrote:
October 16th, 2020, 2:59 pm
For my money, I'd go with the 2013 Pierre Peters Les Chetillions which can be enjoyed in the relatively short term, but will certainly go the distance for you.
Did you try it yet? I had it at the winery yesterday (we ended up doing a mini-vertical back to 1969, which was a lot of fun) and I'd say it's one of the most tightly-wound, incisive releases of Les Chétillons in recent years. It is a terrific wine which I warmly recommend, but right now it's like an electric shock and really needs some time to unwind. A bottle that had been opened for four days was easier to read than one popped during my visit.
I’ve had the 13 a few times (including Tuesday out of magnum), and it’s definitely racy! I love the acidity.

It’s certainly more open than the 2013 Monsieur Victor though!
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#28 Post by Michael S. Monie » October 17th, 2020, 9:54 am

William,

I'm curious how the 2008 showed. The 2008s I've had recently which include Dom, Veuve, and Krug 164 are all really starting to shine. I have the 08 Cristal in the que for next weekend and I'm hoping some of the overtly lemon characteristic has subdued.
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#29 Post by Mattstolz » October 17th, 2020, 10:31 am

in that price range, you absolutely cannot go wrong with Bouchard. they are beautiful wines and the prices are still reasonable. my favorite champagne ive ever had was a Ruinart BdB vintage and those can still eek into that range if you find the right shop

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#30 Post by Marshall Manning » October 17th, 2020, 10:34 am

Chris Blum wrote:
October 16th, 2020, 8:29 pm
Can I just suggest that you’d be better served buying 3 bottles of some decent every day champagne like J Dhondt, Camille Saves or _____ than putting buying a single $130 bottle.
I was thinking the same thing. I'd rather have more excellent bottles than one pricey bottle that might only be a small step up, if that.
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#31 Post by Neal.Mollen » October 17th, 2020, 1:22 pm

Mattstolz wrote:
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in that price range, you absolutely cannot go wrong with Bouchard. they are beautiful wines and the prices are still reasonable. my favorite champagne ive ever had was a Ruinart BdB vintage and those can still eek into that range if you find the right shop
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#32 Post by Max S. » October 17th, 2020, 8:50 pm

William Kelley wrote:
October 17th, 2020, 9:01 am

If you like Bérêche a lot, I would infer that you appreciate barrel fermented but still quite acid-driven, incisive styles of Champagne. It makes sense that you also enjoy Aubry. Something a bit more powerful and vinous while remaining very incisive would be Ulysse Collin's Les Pierrières. But if you like Bérêche a lot, why not simply explore some of their lieu-dit bottlings, or the Reflet d'Antan, as another poster has suggested? There's a lot to be said for getting to know fewer producers more thoroughly...
I think the Reflet is where I'm going. Will definitely be sampling more of their lineup. The only thing I can't tell is if their wines will age for years. CT gives some guidance but the inconsistency always makes me wonder...
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#33 Post by Daniel Silva » October 18th, 2020, 9:13 am

Another vote for Reflet d'Antan, it is a beautiful wine, one of my favourite champagnes for sure.

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