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#51 Post by Robert Dentice » October 17th, 2020, 4:29 pm

A.Gillette wrote:
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I have a slightly different but relevant question. If you had a chance to buy any bottle from your favorite German producer direct from the domain at release price - is there any vintage post 2001 you would pass on?
2018. Feel like I’m already long the vintage and might not love it. I’ve got enough.
So you would turn down 2018 G-Max at $500? Not sure who you favorite producer is.
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#52 Post by D@vid Bu3ker » October 17th, 2020, 4:34 pm

Robert Dentice wrote:
October 17th, 2020, 4:29 pm
A.Gillette wrote:
October 17th, 2020, 2:59 pm
Robert Dentice wrote:
October 17th, 2020, 2:15 pm
I have a slightly different but relevant question. If you had a chance to buy any bottle from your favorite German producer direct from the domain at release price - is there any vintage post 2001 you would pass on?
2018. Feel like I’m already long the vintage and might not love it. I’ve got enough.
So you would turn down 2018 G-Max at $500? Not sure who you favorite producer is.
Given the ability to pick any bottle, I think I could find a way to get by with Dönnhoff.
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#53 Post by G. Curd » October 17th, 2020, 4:40 pm

Robert Dentice wrote:
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I have a slightly different but relevant question. If you had a chance to buy any bottle from your favorite German producer direct from the domain at release price - is there any vintage post 2001 you would pass on?
Honestly I don't think I would pass on any of them. I haven't tasted them all so from my point of view I would love to gain some more knowledge and perspective. I know that wasn't the point of the question, but that is how I thought about it.
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#54 Post by Robert Dentice » October 17th, 2020, 4:46 pm

G. Curd wrote:
October 17th, 2020, 4:40 pm
Robert Dentice wrote:
October 17th, 2020, 2:15 pm
I have a slightly different but relevant question. If you had a chance to buy any bottle from your favorite German producer direct from the domain at release price - is there any vintage post 2001 you would pass on?
Honestly I don't think I would pass on any of them. I haven't tasted them all so from my point of view I would love to gain some more knowledge and perspective. I know that wasn't the point of the question, but that is how I thought about it.
That was my point. There is not a single vintage since 2001 that I would pass up trying a well stored bottle from my favorite producers.
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#55 Post by Jayson Cohen » October 17th, 2020, 5:00 pm

Robert Dentice wrote:
October 17th, 2020, 2:15 pm
I have a slightly different but relevant question. If you had a chance to buy any bottle from your favorite German producer direct from the domain at release price - is there any vintage post 2001 you would pass on?
Too hypothetical? Is only that one vintage being offered?

I can name at least vintages in MSR for Pradikat wines with let’s say discernible RS (so broadly distinguishing from trocken) I might pass based on personal taste: 2005, 2006, 2011, 2013, 2014, 2018. I didn’t put 2003 because of my curiousity based on reports and that I have literally zero in the cellar. And I may have misjudged 2016 young, which I almost put on the list, because a lot of them showed a lot of baby fat, leading me to be skeptical and buy sparingly.

If I were considering dry wines, I admit I don’t have the experience to make that call in advance. And if K-P offered me Abtserde at ex-cellar price of any vintage, I’m not going to say no.

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#56 Post by maureen nelson » October 17th, 2020, 7:15 pm

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1997 took some time, but when it came around it really came around.
It’s fantastic.
Yeah, but at this point I only own zilliken and prum and not much of either.

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#57 Post by maureen nelson » October 17th, 2020, 7:16 pm

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2001 and 2012 are my favorites in the last 20 years, as a general statement. There is a lot to love in numerous other vintages, but those two really resonate with me.
If limiting to the past 20 i will agree. Also like 2008s.

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#58 Post by A.Gillette » October 17th, 2020, 8:07 pm

Robert Dentice wrote:
October 17th, 2020, 4:29 pm
A.Gillette wrote:
October 17th, 2020, 2:59 pm
Robert Dentice wrote:
October 17th, 2020, 2:15 pm
I have a slightly different but relevant question. If you had a chance to buy any bottle from your favorite German producer direct from the domain at release price - is there any vintage post 2001 you would pass on?
2018. Feel like I’m already long the vintage and might not love it. I’ve got enough.
So you would turn down 2018 G-Max at $500? Not sure who you favorite producer is.

There’s lots of 2018 Keller schubertslay kabi and auction pettenthal available at the clearing price that I’m not buying.
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#59 Post by J. Rock » October 17th, 2020, 8:30 pm

Has anyone had any Rieslings from... 1966? I recently picked up a bottle of 1966 Peter Nicolay Ürziger Würzgarten Riesling Goldwingert TBA because I've never had a Riesling this old and few older than 1990, and the bottle was cheap (so I'm not expecting much). Any insights on the vintage or how this TBA miiiight be holding up (or not) would be appreciated.
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#60 Post by G. Curd » October 17th, 2020, 10:33 pm

Robert Dentice wrote:
October 17th, 2020, 4:46 pm
G. Curd wrote:
October 17th, 2020, 4:40 pm
Robert Dentice wrote:
October 17th, 2020, 2:15 pm
I have a slightly different but relevant question. If you had a chance to buy any bottle from your favorite German producer direct from the domain at release price - is there any vintage post 2001 you would pass on?
Honestly I don't think I would pass on any of them. I haven't tasted them all so from my point of view I would love to gain some more knowledge and perspective. I know that wasn't the point of the question, but that is how I thought about it.
That was my point. There is not a single vintage since 2001 that I would pass up trying a well stored bottle from my favorite producers.
I think I confused myself 🤪. I totally agree Robert. I wouldn’t pass on a single one.
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#61 Post by Claus Jeppesen » October 18th, 2020, 3:28 am

Robert Dentice wrote:
October 17th, 2020, 4:46 pm
G. Curd wrote:
October 17th, 2020, 4:40 pm
Robert Dentice wrote:
October 17th, 2020, 2:15 pm
I have a slightly different but relevant question. If you had a chance to buy any bottle from your favorite German producer direct from the domain at release price - is there any vintage post 2001 you would pass on?
Honestly I don't think I would pass on any of them. I haven't tasted them all so from my point of view I would love to gain some more knowledge and perspective. I know that wasn't the point of the question, but that is how I thought about it.
That was my point. There is not a single vintage since 2001 that I would pass up trying a well stored bottle from my favorite producers.
For GG and Trocken I would avoid 2006. Very few producers succeeded to maken clean botrytis free wines
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#62 Post by D@vid Bu3ker » October 18th, 2020, 4:58 am

J. Rock wrote:
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Has anyone had any Rieslings from... 1966? I recently picked up a bottle of 1966 Peter Nicolay Ürziger Würzgarten Riesling Goldwingert TBA because I've never had a Riesling this old and few older than 1990, and the bottle was cheap (so I'm not expecting much). Any insights on the vintage or how this TBA miiiight be holding up (or not) would be appreciated.
1996 is a very acidic vintage, and the wines were quite awkward for a good 10+ years. TBA is basically immortal, so pull the cork anytime before the sun goes nova.
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#63 Post by Nicos Neocleous » October 18th, 2020, 5:42 am

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I have to disagree with you on 2001's being still a little too young. The 2001 JJ Prum WS Auslese has been drinking superbly for at least 3 years, and I have drunk about 6 bottles from different cases sourced in the UK. Tonight I drank a Bollig Lehnert Piesporter Goldtropfchen Auslese *** that opened up so well over 1 hour. I have drunk 3 of these in the past 18 months.
You have always liked the wines a little younger than I do. That's OK!
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#64 Post by eweininger » October 18th, 2020, 6:54 am

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Gonna strongly disagree with Otto for 2014, at least when it comes to the Mosel...I think it's the weakest vintage in a long while.

And 2012 is really an excellent vintage to me. Really beautiful, balanced wines with great precision and transparency.
I don’t really sample widely enough year in and year out to have any business making big vintage generalizations, but I will say that, within the bounds of my limited experience, I am definitely +1 on both of these opinions.
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#65 Post by D@vid Bu3ker » October 18th, 2020, 7:13 am

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2001 and 2012 are my favorites in the last 20 years, as a general statement. There is a lot to love in numerous other vintages, but those two really resonate with me.
If limiting to the past 20 i will agree. Also like 2008s.
2008 is lovely. It’s a sibling to 2004 to my taste, and 2004 is drinking very well now.
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#66 Post by Martin Zwick » October 18th, 2020, 7:29 am

2019 - balance

2017 - acidity&purity

2013 - acidity&purity

2004 - balance


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#67 Post by J. Rock » October 18th, 2020, 8:49 am

D@vid Bu3ker wrote:
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J. Rock wrote:
October 17th, 2020, 8:30 pm
Has anyone had any Rieslings from... 1966? I recently picked up a bottle of 1966 Peter Nicolay Ürziger Würzgarten Riesling Goldwingert TBA because I've never had a Riesling this old and few older than 1990, and the bottle was cheap (so I'm not expecting much). Any insights on the vintage or how this TBA miiiight be holding up (or not) would be appreciated.
1996 is a very acidic vintage, and the wines were quite awkward for a good 10+ years. TBA is basically immortal, so pull the cork anytime before the sun goes nova.
I appreciate the insight on TBA and 1996, but the TBA I recently bought on a whim is from 1966. You wouldn't happen to know anything about that vintage, would you?
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#68 Post by Bdklein » October 18th, 2020, 9:01 am

Suggestions on where to pick up a couple of 1971's? It's my wife's birth year. Need to go low acid due to ulcer (probably from living with me).
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#69 Post by Marshall Manning » October 18th, 2020, 9:22 am

Had a 2005 Prum WS Spat last night, and while delicious, it's still pretty primary and a rich, intense, almost Auslese at this point. I'm guessing it will be more complex in 10 years, but might last decades.
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#70 Post by D@vid Bu3ker » October 18th, 2020, 9:22 am

J. Rock wrote:
October 18th, 2020, 8:49 am
D@vid Bu3ker wrote:
October 18th, 2020, 4:58 am
J. Rock wrote:
October 17th, 2020, 8:30 pm
Has anyone had any Rieslings from... 1966? I recently picked up a bottle of 1966 Peter Nicolay Ürziger Würzgarten Riesling Goldwingert TBA because I've never had a Riesling this old and few older than 1990, and the bottle was cheap (so I'm not expecting much). Any insights on the vintage or how this TBA miiiight be holding up (or not) would be appreciated.
1996 is a very acidic vintage, and the wines were quite awkward for a good 10+ years. TBA is basically immortal, so pull the cork anytime before the sun goes nova.
I appreciate the insight on TBA and 1996, but the TBA I recently bought on a whim is from 1966. You wouldn't happen to know anything about that vintage, would you?
oops...need to drink coffee BEFORE posting

1966s are still holding up well. Had a '66 Spatlese four years ago for a 50th birthday celebration that had tons of life left. Have not had one since, but had several in the years prior that were always good. Again TBA should go forever.
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#71 Post by A Songeur » October 18th, 2020, 11:24 am

Martin Zwick wrote:
October 18th, 2020, 7:29 am
2019 - balance

2017 - acidity&purity

2013 - acidity&purity

2004 - balance


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1971 - nectar of the gods

1921 - nectar of the gods
Thanks Martin have plenty of 2017 and 2019 and a few 2004 auslese. Need to check ref 2013... as the cellar a bit of a mess
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#72 Post by Claus Jeppesen » October 18th, 2020, 11:49 am

A Songeur wrote:
October 18th, 2020, 11:24 am
Martin Zwick wrote:
October 18th, 2020, 7:29 am
2019 - balance

2017 - acidity&purity

2013 - acidity&purity

2004 - balance


P.S.

1971 - nectar of the gods

1921 - nectar of the gods
Thanks Martin have plenty of 2017 and 2019 and a few 2004 auslese. Need to check ref 2013... as the cellar a bit of a mess
2013 taste so good it is hard to cellar them. Reminds me of 2008
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#73 Post by Jayson Cohen » October 18th, 2020, 12:15 pm

Claus Jeppesen wrote:
October 18th, 2020, 11:49 am
A Songeur wrote:
October 18th, 2020, 11:24 am
Martin Zwick wrote:
October 18th, 2020, 7:29 am
2019 - balance

2017 - acidity&purity

2013 - acidity&purity

2004 - balance


P.S.

1971 - nectar of the gods

1921 - nectar of the gods
Thanks Martin have plenty of 2017 and 2019 and a few 2004 auslese. Need to check ref 2013... as the cellar a bit of a mess
2013 taste so good it is hard to cellar them. Reminds me of 2008
I am starting to think I have an unjustified predisposition against 2013 as compared to other vintages. Except for Schaefer for fruity style wines, I didn’t have a strong impression that would lead me to backfill as compared to others. (I wouldn’t presume to comment on drier styles.) But I like to keep an open mind that I’m wrong. I’m happy to be wrong.

Does someone have more detailed views they could express based on how the wines have developed?

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#74 Post by G. Curd » October 18th, 2020, 12:39 pm

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Had a 2005 Prum WS Spat last night, and while delicious, it's still pretty primary and a rich, intense, almost Auslese at this point. I'm guessing it will be more complex in 10 years, but might last decades.
I'm glad to hear that. I just picked up a half case of these last month. I will probably drink one this year and then drink one every 2-3 years or so. Thanks for sharing.
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#75 Post by Howard Cooper » October 18th, 2020, 12:52 pm

Claus Jeppesen wrote:
October 18th, 2020, 11:49 am
A Songeur wrote:
October 18th, 2020, 11:24 am
Martin Zwick wrote:
October 18th, 2020, 7:29 am
2019 - balance

2017 - acidity&purity

2013 - acidity&purity

2004 - balance


P.S.

1971 - nectar of the gods

1921 - nectar of the gods
Thanks Martin have plenty of 2017 and 2019 and a few 2004 auslese. Need to check ref 2013... as the cellar a bit of a mess
2013 taste so good it is hard to cellar them. Reminds me of 2008
I do think 2008 is a very underrated vintage, esp. for Kabinetts and Spatlesen.
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#76 Post by Claus Jeppesen » October 18th, 2020, 1:13 pm

Jayson Cohen wrote:
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Thanks Martin have plenty of 2017 and 2019 and a few 2004 auslese. Need to check ref 2013... as the cellar a bit of a mess
2013 taste so good it is hard to cellar them. Reminds me of 2008
I am starting to think I have an unjustified predisposition against 2013 as compared to other vintages. Except for Schaefer for fruity style wines, I didn’t have a strong impression that would lead me to backfill as compared to others. (I wouldn’t presume to comment on drier styles.) But I like to keep an open mind that I’m wrong. I’m happy to be wrong.

Does someone have more detailed views they could express based on how the wines have developed?
I was primarily thinking of GG and Trocken. E.g. Breuer Nonnenberg and Schlossberg and Schönleber Halenberg are amazing stuff in both vintages. Hard to let mature in the cellar
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#77 Post by J. Rock » October 18th, 2020, 2:09 pm

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1996 is a very acidic vintage, and the wines were quite awkward for a good 10+ years. TBA is basically immortal, so pull the cork anytime before the sun goes nova.
I appreciate the insight on TBA and 1996, but the TBA I recently bought on a whim is from 1966. You wouldn't happen to know anything about that vintage, would you?
oops...need to drink coffee BEFORE posting

1966s are still holding up well. Had a '66 Spatlese four years ago for a 50th birthday celebration that had tons of life left. Have not had one since, but had several in the years prior that were always good. Again TBA should go forever.
Wow, a 50 year old Spatlese sounds wild. Thanks for the input!
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#78 Post by Jayson Cohen » October 18th, 2020, 2:21 pm

Claus Jeppesen wrote:
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2013 taste so good it is hard to cellar them. Reminds me of 2008
I am starting to think I have an unjustified predisposition against 2013 as compared to other vintages. Except for Schaefer for fruity style wines, I didn’t have a strong impression that would lead me to backfill as compared to others. (I wouldn’t presume to comment on drier styles.) But I like to keep an open mind that I’m wrong. I’m happy to be wrong.

Does someone have more detailed views they could express based on how the wines have developed?
I was primarily thinking of GG and Trocken. E.g. Breuer Nonnenberg and Schlossberg and Schönleber Halenberg are amazing stuff in both vintages. Hard to let mature in the cellar
Got it.

Not that the conditions are the same, but as an aside I do find 2013 Wachau to be extraordinary. Maybe my favorite vintage since 1999 or 2001.

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#79 Post by Brian G r a f s t r o m » October 18th, 2020, 7:38 pm

My favorites only include vintages for which I've tasted enough to have an opinion I'm confident in, so don't necessarily read anything into absences.
2015 --- ripe with powerful acidity
2010 --- ripe with powerful acidity, but not quite as ripe as 2015
2002 --- simply put, I've consistently had great wines from this vintage
2001 --- no comments should really be needed

Based on others' comments, it would appear I need to explore 2008, 2012, and 2013 when opportunities present themselves.
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#80 Post by Brian G r a f s t r o m » October 18th, 2020, 7:42 pm

Robert Dentice wrote:
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I have a slightly different but relevant question. If you had a chance to buy any bottle from your favorite German producer direct from the domain at release price - is there any vintage post 2001 you would pass on?
Yes. 2003 from JJ Prum ... unless they've undergone a complete transformation over the past 7 or 8 years. I have 3 bottles of the W-S Auslese remaining --- I'll likely give it *one* more chance; if it doesn't go well, I'll simply sell the last two to one of the many folks who really enjoy it.
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#81 Post by Jayson Cohen » October 18th, 2020, 7:54 pm

Brian G r a f s t r o m wrote:
October 18th, 2020, 7:38 pm
My favorites only include vintages for which I've tasted enough to have an opinion I'm confident in, so don't necessarily read anything into absences.
2015 --- ripe with powerful acidity
2010 --- ripe with powerful acidity, but not quite as ripe as 2015
2002 --- simply put, I've consistently had great wines from this vintage
2001 --- no comments should really be needed

Based on others' comments, it would appear I need to explore 2008, 2012, and 2013 when opportunities present themselves.
Me too on 2002. 2002 has always been an outstanding MSR and Nahe vintage that was always in the shadow of 2001. And possibly 2002 was better in the Saar and Ruwer than 2001 although I’d say it doesn’t matter if one or another producer did better overall in one or the other as both are excellent.

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#82 Post by Arjan Stavast » October 19th, 2020, 12:10 am

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Yes. 2003 from JJ Prum ... unless they've undergone a complete transformation over the past 7 or 8 years. I have 3 bottles of the W-S Auslese remaining --- I'll likely give it *one* more chance; if it doesn't go well, I'll simply sell the last two to one of the many folks who really enjoy it.
When I visited them a few weeks ago, those were exactly the bottles I added to my order 😊 Mihailo (who ran the tasting) is Austrian and having lived there a few years we naturally discussed local delicacies, among which Käsekrainer. This is a grilled sausage stuffed with cheese and the ultimate late night snack from a Viennese Würstelstand. Apparently the ‘03 W-S Auslese is the perfect drink to accompany this! So I guess you need to find a few of those Brian 🤣
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#83 Post by Russell Faulkner » October 19th, 2020, 12:40 am

Manfred Prum is/was always very confident on the 2003 Auslese and up. I’m trusting him on that.

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Re: Your Top German Riesling Vintages ?

#84 Post by Nathan Smyth » October 19th, 2020, 1:36 am

D@vid Bu3ker wrote:
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1997 took some time, but when it came around it really came around.
Wasn't it supposed to have been a VoTC over in Austria?

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Re: Your Top German Riesling Vintages ?

#85 Post by Nathan Smyth » October 19th, 2020, 1:52 am

The basic 2004 Donnhoff QBA Estate Riesling was a flat-out hands-down 100pt wine at the age of about 5 or 6 [circa 2009 or 2010].

I don't know how it could possibly have improved after that, and it was so perfect that we quickly drank what few bottles we could procure, so I'll never know.

But if I were looking to improve my Riesling holdings, then I would keep a sharp eye peeled for 2004 Donnhoffs.

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Re: Your Top German Riesling Vintages ?

#86 Post by D@vid Bu3ker » October 19th, 2020, 3:41 am

Nathan Smyth wrote:
October 19th, 2020, 1:36 am
D@vid Bu3ker wrote:
October 16th, 2020, 5:57 pm
1997 took some time, but when it came around it really came around.
Wasn't it supposed to have been a VoTC over in Austria?
Yes. 1997 Austrians are and have always been great.
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Re: Your Top German Riesling Vintages ?

#87 Post by Mark Golodetz » October 19th, 2020, 4:42 am

I have been subjected to several Austrian wine tastings, and have never been enthused by any. Factoring the price doesn’t help.
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Re: Your Top German Riesling Vintages ?

#88 Post by D@vid Bu3ker » October 19th, 2020, 5:34 am

Mark Golodetz wrote:
October 19th, 2020, 4:42 am
I have been subjected to several Austrian wine tastings, and have never been enthused by any. Factoring the price doesn’t help.
Good. I prefer less competition for the wines.
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Re: Your Top German Riesling Vintages ?

#89 Post by Mark Golodetz » October 19th, 2020, 9:00 am

D@vid Bu3ker wrote:
October 19th, 2020, 5:34 am
Mark Golodetz wrote:
October 19th, 2020, 4:42 am
I have been subjected to several Austrian wine tastings, and have never been enthused by any. Factoring the price doesn’t help.
Good. I prefer less competition for the wines.
It does make life easier.
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Re: Your Top German Riesling Vintages ?

#90 Post by Brian G r a f s t r o m » October 19th, 2020, 9:34 am

Arjan Stavast wrote:
October 19th, 2020, 12:10 am
Brian G r a f s t r o m wrote:
October 18th, 2020, 7:42 pm

Yes. 2003 from JJ Prum ... unless they've undergone a complete transformation over the past 7 or 8 years. I have 3 bottles of the W-S Auslese remaining --- I'll likely give it *one* more chance; if it doesn't go well, I'll simply sell the last two to one of the many folks who really enjoy it.
When I visited them a few weeks ago, those were exactly the bottles I added to my order 😊 Mihailo (who ran the tasting) is Austrian and having lived there a few years we naturally discussed local delicacies, among which Käsekrainer. This is a grilled sausage stuffed with cheese and the ultimate late night snack from a Viennese Würstelstand. Apparently the ‘03 W-S Auslese is the perfect drink to accompany this! So I guess you need to find a few of those Brian 🤣
"The Carniolan sausage ... is a Slovenian sausage most similar to what is known as kielbasa or Polish sausage in North America. The Käsekrainer is a variation of this sausage made with small chunks of cheese - it contains 10% to 20% cheese (e.g., Emmentaler) cut into small cubes."

Sounds good, Arjan! While I'm not sure I'd be able to procure some Käsekrainer, I can definitely get my hands on some polish sausage. [cheers.gif]
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