Vintage Bordeaux wines - investigation

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Vintage Bordeaux wines - investigation

#1 Post by Asger L a r s e n » September 14th, 2020, 12:11 pm

Do not often buy at auction anymore, as prices general are on the high note. But a sale of old vintage Bordeaux from a cold cellar made me interested, also as estimates was low. Even though nicely stored, I know it is somewhat of a gamble, total investment was 1000 euro, so I guess I will survive even if most are not alive anymore...

1bt Dausac margaux 1945
2bt Conseillante pomerol 1937
2bt Nenin pomerol 1937
1bt Troplong Mondot 1937
1bt Rausan-Segla 1937
2bt Gruaud Larose 1934 (no labels)
1bt Branaire Ducru 1933
2bt Marquis de Terme margaux 1929 (beautiful labels, one missing vintage)
1bt Durfort Vivens margaux 192? (label in decay, but the side of cork says, 192, but last digit somewhat erased, but many good vintages in 20s...)
1bt Coudrais Margaux (vintage missing, but another similar bottle from auction said 1928, coat of arms looks like 3 lions, horses or?)
1bt Rausan-Segla (looks kind of old, maybe even earlier than 1920s, Cruse bottling)

all bottles seems like bottled at chateau, however not 100% sure about the gruaud-larose 1934 and missing vintage Rausan is a Cruse bottling

So, maybe you can help my investigation here :)

maybe you have experience in any of the wines in the old vintages above?
maybe you have knowledge about the Coudrais Margaux wine, cannot find it on google...? (see picture below)
maybe you have knowledge about the the approx age of the Rausan-Segla?, I have tried to read the side of the cork, but glass is somewhat dark. (see picture below)

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#2 Post by Sc0tt F!tzger@ld » September 14th, 2020, 12:35 pm

Paging Monsieur Audoze.

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#3 Post by Markus S » September 14th, 2020, 5:09 pm

Sc0tt F!tzger@ld wrote:
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Paging Monsieur Audoze.
We already know his answer: these are much too young and should be held until the whisper becomes louder. [cheers.gif]
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#4 Post by Asger L a r s e n » September 15th, 2020, 4:03 am

a quick update, I scanned through my old bordeaux books from Broadbent and Clive Coates, but no luck with the Coudrais

Also removed some of the led foil on the old bottle of Rausan-Segla to check the full side of the cork - but same issue, bottle simply to dark and difficult to look through.
Will see if I can source more powerfull light...

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#5 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » September 15th, 2020, 4:21 am

I would have taken a flyer as well at 1000 Euro!

Some of those vintages, like 29 and 45 (I’ve not had a ‘45) are known to be excellent. I think 28 and 34 are strong as well. I’ve had some classified growths from these vintages at Bern’s in Tampa, and all were alive and quietly lovely. Leoville Poyferre, Leoville Barton, Haut Bailly, Giscours, among a few others. Start popping and posting!

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#6 Post by Mark Golodetz » September 15th, 2020, 4:38 am

$1000 for those wines is a steal. The two bottles of 1937; Conseillante alone would fetch more. But this is the type of lot, you have friends over for a weekend lunch, and open a bottle each time.

The Images did not come through BTW.
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#7 Post by Asger L a r s e n » September 15th, 2020, 5:30 am

thanks for heads up on the images - it shows on mine, I am sharing from a google account. I will have to look into this

Good idea gathering friends and have some fun :)

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#8 Post by Asger L a r s e n » September 15th, 2020, 5:55 am

I think I found a way using imgbb - let me know if images are still not visible

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#9 Post by D@vid Bu3ker » September 15th, 2020, 6:19 am

I can see the photos.
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#10 Post by Mark Golodetz » September 15th, 2020, 7:53 am

Yes, I can see them.
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#11 Post by Asger L a r s e n » September 15th, 2020, 7:55 am

Robert, nice with good stories on old vintage bordeaux. I have had a good amount, one of the best was Domaine Chevalier 1929. Close to perfection.

My best guess is that some are dead, and some are nice surprise.

I will open the 1945 Dauzac when my father in law turns 75 in one week, my plan is definitely to drink sooner rather than later :)

any good advise on the best glassware to use? I usually use Riedel sommeliers bordeaux - but it is a large glass for these old wines. Wonder if there is a special design for old vintage bordeaux?

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#12 Post by Asger L a r s e n » September 15th, 2020, 10:08 am

a photo more to share some of the nice looking labels :)

I sure hope Conseillante never made it to Australia...

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#13 Post by Jayson Cohen » September 15th, 2020, 10:33 am

If the bottles are in good shape, I’d expect the Gruaud to be fabulous.

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#14 Post by Asger L a r s e n » September 19th, 2020, 10:37 am

so, opened the first one.

no special reason, so I opened one, that I had the lowest confidence in. Nenin 1937

Served as appetizer with toasted bread and chanterelles.

Opened 4 hours in advance with durand - cork came out without any problem

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as you can see the color was rather light - so not much confidence, I was ready to dispose.

But actually, it was a charming wine, with light red fruit and complex notes. No bad flavors, but very light bodied and best as a drink in it self.

I hope it is a good sign for the other wines, hoping for a bit more color and body :)

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#15 Post by M. Meer » September 19th, 2020, 10:50 am

Asger L a r s e n wrote:
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so, opened the first one.

no special reason, so I opened one, that I had the lowest confidence in. Nenin 1937

as you can see the color was rather light - so not much confidence, I was ready to dispose.

But actually, it was a charming wine, with light red fruit and complex notes. No bad flavors, but very light bodied and best as a drink in it self.

I hope it is a good sign for the other wines, hoping for a bit more color and body :)
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#16 Post by Sc0tt F!tzger@ld » September 19th, 2020, 10:54 am

Amazing, an 83 year old wine. Drinking history!

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#17 Post by MichaelLee » September 19th, 2020, 1:54 pm

What an adventure this is for you. I am pretty jealous right now. Please update us with the rest.

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#18 Post by HenryB » September 19th, 2020, 1:55 pm

Tbh that fill level considering what you poured into the glass looks a little dodgy to me! It does look very light bodied
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#19 Post by Asger L a r s e n » September 19th, 2020, 2:09 pm

around mid shoulder I would say the level was. I agree with color not looking strong, but still a charming wine.

Drank over 30 mins - with no real change.

Slow ox for 4 hours - did not touch it before, always wonder if this is the best way - but it seems to do the trick.

By the way - I purchased Riedel Sommerlier old bordeaux (chablis) glasses for the old wines, happy with the purchase

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#20 Post by Kris Patten » September 19th, 2020, 6:46 pm

Cool find. For $1k I'd buy that lot and roll the dice too.

Please keep sharing.
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#21 Post by K.C0LBURN » September 19th, 2020, 6:50 pm

Wonderful pictures! I'm very jealous ... also intrigued.
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#22 Post by Karl K » September 20th, 2020, 6:34 pm

Sounds like your experience with the first bottle is boding well for the others.
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#23 Post by Asger L a r s e n » September 26th, 2020, 1:35 pm

well, this time is was the Dauzac 1945, and it was a different than the Nenin 1937.

After opening, I checked the nose, and felt the oxidation flavors did not boast well for the wine...

I left it alone 4 hours, and when starting drinking it certainly improved, but still a oxy note present in the nose.

However, tasting, it showed much more body, complexityl, depth and flavor than Nenin 1937, most likely due to the great 1945 vintage. But it only lasted around 20 minutes, then it was a bit downhill.

I served it to my farther in law 75 birthday, and it was ok, but it was evident the wine had been exposed to some oxygen during its live.

An OK experience, especially the first 20 minutes after starting drinking.

The back label stated it was a late release from the chateau.

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#24 Post by Neal.Mollen » September 26th, 2020, 1:41 pm

Asger L a r s e n wrote:
September 26th, 2020, 1:35 pm
well, this time is was the Dauzac 1945, and it was a different than the Nenin 1937.

After opening, I checked the nose, and felt the oxidation flavors did not boast well for the wine...

I left it alone 4 hours, and when starting drinking it certainly improved, but still a oxy note present in the nose.

However, tasting, it showed much more body, complexityl, depth and flavor than Nenin 1937, most likely due to the great 1945 vintage. But it only lasted around 20 minutes, then it was a bit downhill.

I served it to my farther in law 75 birthday, and it was ok, but it was evident the wine had been exposed to some oxygen during its live.

An OK experience, especially the first 20 minutes after starting drinking.

The back label stated it was a late release from the chateau.

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Thanks for the enjoyable note (an excellent pictures!). Drinking a wine like this is often not about the quality of the wine itself but the quality of the experience. Having such a piece of history with family would be a great pleasure
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#25 Post by Robert.A.Jr. » September 26th, 2020, 2:33 pm

I was just gonna say, quite a bit of history to make it very experiential, but see the Professor got there first.

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