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#1 Post by Michael S. Monie » September 11th, 2020, 11:02 am

Perhaps redundant knowing there are other threads regarding this Champagne, but this is meant to be comprehensive regarding how much you are or are not willing to pay. So if you have bought Comtes in past vintages, what is your cutoff point for the 2008. For me: anything higher than $150.
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#2 Post by ybarselah » September 11th, 2020, 11:09 am

funny just saw it offered for $153 of all prices. guess you're out!
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#3 Post by ChrisL » September 11th, 2020, 11:25 am

$150 seems about right for me. People tend to think it will be an eventual waiting game for the prices to drop below this threshold.
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#4 Post by crickey » September 11th, 2020, 11:27 am

If not buying wine because the price is more than I want to pay for it constitutes boycotting, I am currently boycotting thousands of wines!
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#5 Post by AndyK » September 11th, 2020, 11:41 am

It's a sliding scale... A case at $120, 4-6bottles at $140, max 2 at $160, nothing if above $160
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#6 Post by Robert M yers » September 11th, 2020, 11:59 am

Remember, we had the same conversation with 08 Dom early. It eventually settled to its regular pricing.

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#7 Post by Anton D » September 11th, 2020, 12:27 pm

crickey wrote:
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If not buying wine because the price is more than I want to pay for it constitutes boycotting, I am currently boycotting thousands of wines!
Are you not buying any wines that you bought in the past?
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#8 Post by Marshall Manning » September 11th, 2020, 12:50 pm

crickey wrote:
September 11th, 2020, 11:27 am
If not buying wine because the price is more than I want to pay for it constitutes boycotting, I am currently boycotting thousands of wines!
I thought the same thing. A "boycott" is a much more active, punitive thing than just not buying something because the price is too high.
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#9 Post by Howard Cooper » September 11th, 2020, 1:09 pm

Marshall Manning wrote:
September 11th, 2020, 12:50 pm
crickey wrote:
September 11th, 2020, 11:27 am
If not buying wine because the price is more than I want to pay for it constitutes boycotting, I am currently boycotting thousands of wines!
I thought the same thing. A "boycott" is a much more active, punitive thing than just not buying something because the price is too high.
Agreed. My favorite wines are from Jacky Truchot. If he were still making wine, I would hope I would be buying them. But, in today's world, his wines on the secondary market go for a tremendous amount of money. I am not boycotting his wines. I drink what I have, lovingly. I just don't buy more because the price is too high.

The OP just used the wrong word. Boycotting is not a proper word for what he is getting at. It is an improper use of the term.
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#10 Post by Michael S. Monie » September 11th, 2020, 1:25 pm

boycott
[ˈboiˌkät]
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withdraw from commercial or social relations with (a country, organization, or person) as a punishment or protest.
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I won't just not buy it. I'm protesting what I consider to be an unreasonable price increase.
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#11 Post by Br1an Th0rne » September 11th, 2020, 1:30 pm

Received a few offers in the $180 range. Easy pass for me at this price, as I would be surprised if the market will stomach such a significant increase in these macabre times. No rush, there is an ocean of great champagne out there. If it falls to $130 I will buy in quantity; if $150 just a few bottles.

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#12 Post by T. Altmayer » September 11th, 2020, 2:43 pm

I bought a case of '06 at an average price of $110. It is too quick for a 50% price increase so will only buy a couple and only if I can find it around $150.
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#13 Post by Kirk.Grant » September 11th, 2020, 2:49 pm

I'm with others...I paid $130/bottle for my Dom P in the NH wine outlets. So I'm guessing my max price is going to be somewhere around $140/bottle. Otherwise I'll just buy more from the houses I do think are still a value.
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#14 Post by P L owet » September 11th, 2020, 3:42 pm

Michael S. Monie wrote:
September 11th, 2020, 1:25 pm
I won't just not buy it. I'm protesting what I consider to be an unreasonable price increase.
I only wish that luxury champagne price increases were in my Top 100,000 reasons to protest in today's world. [wow.gif]

Somehow, Taittinger has succeeded at changing its perceived value, at least among respondents in this thread. While the 2006 was typically purchased at ~$110, posters here are prepared to buy at least some of the 2007 at $130/$140/$150. Pretty good marketing when an 18%-36% increase (even for a great vintage) is acceptable just because >50% isn't!
FWIW, we drink very few luxury cuvée bottles, but I'm in for one at $145 pre-arrival. champagne.gif
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#15 Post by Mark Golodetz » September 11th, 2020, 4:08 pm

At $125 -135 will buy a couple of cases. $136-155 3 bottles. $155-165 will buy one bottle, and taste blind against Dom and Cristal and the 2006 Taittinger.

At $166+, I will avoid, boycott whatever.
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#16 Post by Jerry Hey » September 11th, 2020, 4:18 pm

$150 is my limit. Too many other great Champagnes for a lot less than that.

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#17 Post by Sc0tt F!tzger@ld » September 11th, 2020, 4:24 pm

$130 if I’m going to buy more than a few bottles.

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#18 Post by RyanC » September 11th, 2020, 4:27 pm

Mark Golodetz wrote:
September 11th, 2020, 4:08 pm
At $125 -135 will buy a couple of cases. $136-155 3 bottles. $155-165 will buy one bottle, and taste blind against Dom and Cristal and the 2006 Taittinger.

At $166+, I will avoid, boycott whatever.
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#19 Post by Craig G » September 11th, 2020, 4:41 pm

This reminds me of when I stopped buying Chave Hermitage because it went over $100.
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#20 Post by Yao C » September 11th, 2020, 5:19 pm

My husband and I both like CdC, and it's rare for our tastes to intersect that well. Unless the price gets truly crazy (like well in excess of $200) I'll probably buy a bunch
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#21 Post by David Glasser » September 12th, 2020, 9:12 am

AndyK wrote:
September 11th, 2020, 11:41 am
It's a sliding scale... A case at $120, 4-6bottles at $140, max 2 at $160, nothing if above $160
This looks about right for me.

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#22 Post by k s h i n » September 12th, 2020, 9:24 am

FWIW, DP wholesale is cheaper than European negotiants where CDC is cheaper in Europe. CDC has been cheaper than DP historically by $20 or more. I say wait. Euro vs $ is 10% higher so this is a factor as well. One issue is that you have to buy equal amount of the 07 to get to the 08.
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#23 Post by alan weinberg » September 12th, 2020, 9:34 am

Jerry Hey wrote:
September 11th, 2020, 4:18 pm
$150 is my limit. Too many other great Champagnes for a lot less than that.
I have a Woodland Hills 6 pack futures order confirmed but any more will be at $150 or less. As Jerry says, there’s lots out there.

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#24 Post by Michael S. Monie » September 12th, 2020, 11:09 am

k s h i n wrote:
September 12th, 2020, 9:24 am
FWIW, DP wholesale is cheaper than European negotiants where CDC is cheaper in Europe. CDC has been cheaper than DP historically by $20 or more. I say wait. Euro vs $ is 10% higher so this is a factor as well. One issue is that you have to buy equal amount of the 07 to get to the 08.
Taittinger seems to be milking the strength of the vintage and critical acclaim for everything that it's worth!
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#25 Post by Mark Golodetz » September 12th, 2020, 12:18 pm

Michael S. Monie wrote:
September 12th, 2020, 11:09 am
k s h i n wrote:
September 12th, 2020, 9:24 am
FWIW, DP wholesale is cheaper than European negotiants where CDC is cheaper in Europe. CDC has been cheaper than DP historically by $20 or more. I say wait. Euro vs $ is 10% higher so this is a factor as well. One issue is that you have to buy equal amount of the 07 to get to the 08.
Taittinger seems to be milking the strength of the vintage and critical acclaim for everything that it's worth!
In other words, the Champagne is excellent, and they want to get full boat for it. champagne.gif
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#26 Post by William Kelley » September 12th, 2020, 12:19 pm

Michael S. Monie wrote:
September 12th, 2020, 11:09 am

Taittinger seems to be milking the strength of the vintage and critical acclaim for everything that it's worth!
Not sure how you can say this when the wine hasn't been released...
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#27 Post by Kris Patten » September 12th, 2020, 12:38 pm

Michael S. Monie wrote:
September 12th, 2020, 11:09 am
k s h i n wrote:
September 12th, 2020, 9:24 am
FWIW, DP wholesale is cheaper than European negotiants where CDC is cheaper in Europe. CDC has been cheaper than DP historically by $20 or more. I say wait. Euro vs $ is 10% higher so this is a factor as well. One issue is that you have to buy equal amount of the 07 to get to the 08.
Taittinger seems to be milking the strength of the vintage and critical acclaim for everything that it's worth!
Seems like you are speaking without any actual information or data. In the US it could very well be their importer or retailers seeing what people will pay before price settles once released.

DP produces millions of bottles, Taitting produces 250k to 300k at most, it really should be more than DP but isn't since they spend zero on campaigns and celebrity endorsements and specialty packaging.

I would say everyone who loved CdC at $125 will still love it, and just like wines like Allemand, etc.....people have now discovered a great marque in Champagne that delivers value.
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#28 Post by Michael S. Monie » September 12th, 2020, 12:59 pm

William Kelley wrote:
September 12th, 2020, 12:19 pm
Michael S. Monie wrote:
September 12th, 2020, 11:09 am

Taittinger seems to be milking the strength of the vintage and critical acclaim for everything that it's worth!
Not sure how you can say this when the wine hasn't been released...
Not sure how the wine not yet being released has to do with a very large price increase if the pre-arrival offers are an indication. Do you doubt the validity of what Kevin is saying about being coerced to buy an equal amount of the 2007 in order to get the 2008?
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#29 Post by Michael S. Monie » September 12th, 2020, 1:05 pm

Kris Patten wrote:
September 12th, 2020, 12:38 pm
Michael S. Monie wrote:
September 12th, 2020, 11:09 am
k s h i n wrote:
September 12th, 2020, 9:24 am
FWIW, DP wholesale is cheaper than European negotiants where CDC is cheaper in Europe. CDC has been cheaper than DP historically by $20 or more. I say wait. Euro vs $ is 10% higher so this is a factor as well. One issue is that you have to buy equal amount of the 07 to get to the 08.
Taittinger seems to be milking the strength of the vintage and critical acclaim for everything that it's worth!
Seems like you are speaking without any actual information or data. In the US it could very well be their importer or retailers seeing what people will pay before price settles once released.

DP produces millions of bottles, Taitting produces 250k to 300k at most, it really should be more than DP but isn't since they spend zero on campaigns and celebrity endorsements and specialty packaging.

I would say everyone who loved CdC at $125 will still love it, and just like wines like Allemand, etc.....people have now discovered a great marque in Champagne that delivers value.
I won't be loving it at a 50% price increase. It will be an easy pass. Why are they having trouble moving the 2007?
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#30 Post by Mark Golodetz » September 12th, 2020, 1:13 pm

I regularly rail against the three tier system here. Not only is it a license to print money, but all too often games are played keeping back supply while demand heats up. Cristal 2008 and 2012 was $50 a bottle less in Europe. So I am curious to see the price differential in Europe and retail US. My guess is that we will again be seeing $30-50.
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#31 Post by Kris Patten » September 12th, 2020, 2:01 pm

Michael S. Monie wrote:
September 12th, 2020, 1:05 pm
Kris Patten wrote:
September 12th, 2020, 12:38 pm
Michael S. Monie wrote:
September 12th, 2020, 11:09 am


Taittinger seems to be milking the strength of the vintage and critical acclaim for everything that it's worth!
Seems like you are speaking without any actual information or data. In the US it could very well be their importer or retailers seeing what people will pay before price settles once released.

DP produces millions of bottles, Taitting produces 250k to 300k at most, it really should be more than DP but isn't since they spend zero on campaigns and celebrity endorsements and specialty packaging.

I would say everyone who loved CdC at $125 will still love it, and just like wines like Allemand, etc.....people have now discovered a great marque in Champagne that delivers value.
I won't be loving it at a 50% price increase. It will be an easy pass. Why are they having trouble moving the 2007?
Again, you are just guessing and positing no actual information. I haven't even seen an FOB for 2008 Comtes from Kobrand. We were cruising with 2007 until every restaurant in WA closed due to Covid-19, so perhaps the restaurant/somm community that sells much of the Comtes in the US not being able to buy and this little thing called a pandemic have hurt the 2007....I say maybe as I have no data nationally, only locally.
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#32 Post by Mike Hawkins » September 12th, 2020, 2:40 pm

Even at $200 I’m a buyer in quantity. It’s that good...

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#33 Post by Mattstolz » September 12th, 2020, 2:52 pm

crickey wrote:
September 11th, 2020, 11:27 am
If not buying wine because the price is more than I want to pay for it constitutes boycotting, I am currently boycotting thousands of wines!
its not that I can't afford DRC, im just boycotting it!

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#34 Post by Jay Miller » September 13th, 2020, 3:38 am

AndyK wrote:
September 11th, 2020, 11:41 am
It's a sliding scale... A case at $120, 4-6bottles at $140, max 2 at $160, nothing if above $160
This is pretty much where I am as well, give or take a few dollars.

The question for them will be if there are enough price-insensitive buyers to pick up the slack from people like myself who splurged on it because it was a great value.
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#35 Post by Mich@el Ch@ng » September 13th, 2020, 4:58 am

I’ll probably buy some more regardless of price; the term boycott is used here like the term defund has been used lately.

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#38 Post by AAgrawal » September 13th, 2020, 12:42 pm

For those who can't interpret the previous copy/paste:
'08 Comtes at Woodland Hills for $220, '07 for $130.

Given that WHWC was previously the only retailer who sold the '08 for ~$125, this is interesting. Not sure if they got some new information, or why the new price is so much higher (and higher than other retailers).
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#39 Post by Tom Reddick » September 13th, 2020, 11:02 pm

Mike Hawkins wrote:
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Even at $200 I’m a buyer in quantity. It’s that good...
That is my line of thinking as well. There are many data points to suggest the price should go up or down- but the fact remains that Taittinger has long been, and all the more so now, the most attractively priced wine in its peer group. Provided one likes the style, there is no reason to think of it in terms of QPR any differently than Dom, Krug or Cristal IMHO.

I am anticipating it will hit the Texas market for around $200 base price- meaning $170ish with case discount. I am good for a couple of cases at that price- and a six pack of the Rose if its price point remains in historical proportion with the Blanc de Blanc.
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#40 Post by Jeff P » September 14th, 2020, 8:06 am

Got offered the 08 Comtes from Total Wine at $200 p/bottle. Yikes
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#41 Post by CJ Beazley » September 14th, 2020, 8:07 am

Just got an offer from Total $199.00/$189.00 on six
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#42 Post by Chris Crutchfield » September 14th, 2020, 8:25 am

I like me some Comtes, but at these prices it's an easy pass.

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#43 Post by Jay Miller » September 14th, 2020, 8:50 am

Chris Crutchfield wrote:
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I like me some Comtes, but at these prices it's an easy pass.
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#44 Post by T. Williams » September 14th, 2020, 9:30 am

CJ Beazley wrote:
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Just got an offer from Total $199.00/$189.00 on six
I just got the same offer. Pass for me.

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#45 Post by DanielP » September 14th, 2020, 9:45 am

I don't understand, I thought the prices weren't going to be released until next month?
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#46 Post by Curtis Chen » September 14th, 2020, 1:28 pm

Wild prices. Not planning to drop $160+ on Comtes. I'll wait.
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#47 Post by Gerry Morrisey » September 15th, 2020, 6:28 am

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CJ Beazley wrote:
September 14th, 2020, 8:07 am
Just got an offer from Total $199.00/$189.00 on six
I just got the same offer. Pass for me.

TW
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Re: At What Price Point Will You Boycott The 2008 Taittinger Comtes?

#48 Post by James Lyon » September 15th, 2020, 7:02 am

Gerry Morrisey wrote:
September 15th, 2020, 6:28 am
T. Williams wrote:
September 14th, 2020, 9:30 am
CJ Beazley wrote:
September 14th, 2020, 8:07 am
Just got an offer from Total $199.00/$189.00 on six
I just got the same offer. Pass for me.

TW
+1
And the regular TW price is $230.

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Re: At What Price Point Will You Boycott The 2008 Taittinger Comtes?

#49 Post by RyanC » September 15th, 2020, 7:28 am

We're gonna look back nostalgically at the endless $109.99 offers for '06 Comtes
C@ughey

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Re: At What Price Point Will You Boycott The 2008 Taittinger Comtes?

#50 Post by dbailey » September 15th, 2020, 3:07 pm

RyanC wrote:
September 15th, 2020, 7:28 am
We're gonna look back nostalgically at the endless $109.99 offers for '06 Comtes
How about buying cases of it at M&S for £56 all in!
Dan

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