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#51 Post by Richard T r i m p i » September 10th, 2020, 8:36 am

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Had a picture sent to me near the golf course in Lincoln City and the place looked like hell. I'm not posting it because I can't confirm its accuracy but even so, a fire in Lincoln City? How is that even possible? I've been to the coast in August and September and froze my ass off. Wild.
Chilly foggy 50s on the coast and sunny 80s inland....par for the course. Seems like the hot/dry east winds changed everything. Forecasts show more westerly winds for several days...along with increasing humidity and possibly a shower on Monday. Hope that really helps!

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#52 Post by Marcus Goodfellow » September 10th, 2020, 9:09 am

TomC wrote:
September 10th, 2020, 8:32 am
brigcampbell wrote:
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Had a picture sent to me near the golf course in Lincoln City and the place looked like hell. I'm not posting it because I can't confirm its accuracy but even so, a fire in Lincoln City? How is that even possible? I've been to the coast in August and September and froze my ass off. Wild.
It's unfortunately true. That one is the Echo Mountain Complex fire. As of yesterday the cause is not known, but the winds and very dry conditions (11% humidity in my area yesterday) are factors.
Yes, there are literally fires in every direction. Chehalem Mountains to the north,
Beachie Creek and the Mt. Jefferson fires to the East, the big fires in Southern Oregon, and the Echo Mountain Complex to the West.

From a wine grape standpoint, winds die down today and shift to coming from the West, as opposed to the high winds from the East and North the past few days. So far smoke in Ribbon Ridge, Dundee Hills, and Yamhill-Carlton has stayed ominous but high up. But at this point, we’ll start micro-ferments to see what we can figure out. Weather changes significantly next week. And where we were racing towards ripening, we may be able to stretch back out to original expectations for harvest(21st of September).
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#53 Post by Patrick Duffy » September 10th, 2020, 9:33 am

Mattstolz wrote:
September 9th, 2020, 9:46 am
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you mean in altitude rather than in quantity?
Yes, high up. And as Jim noted, on the ground it hasn’t been much(at least West side of the valley).

It took me a bit to figure out why Todd’s post about the smoke being unlike anything in Yamhill county before didn’t seem right. But when I was a kid they were still burning the fields every September, and that was way, way, worse for smoke. Not the worry that the forests burning is(I am old enough to remember the effect of the Tillamook burn on Oregon’s collective consciousness but not the fire itself).
But the field burning always created a horrific low level haze that was just awful to breathe. I hated it every year and am glad the practice has gone by the wayside.

Also-seems like the Chehalem fire is contained for the moment. That’s from the map and from a friend on Bald Peak.
Is that different than controlled burns to help prevent these big forest fires? Sounds like you’re describing something that’s more of a farming practice than fire control measure? Or was it both? newhere
Oregon is one of the largest suppliers of grass seed. Back then, grass seed was harvested by burning the grass and collecting the seed that was left behind. As a kid, I remember seeing farmers out lighting their fields with blow torches. A number of these farms were close to I-5 and the smoke would make the freeway virtually impassable at times in the fall. That led to bans on burning fields by grass seed farmers.

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#54 Post by Al Osterheld » September 10th, 2020, 11:11 am

Glad to hear the news about the change in winds and humidity, need all the help nature can give. Sadly too late for many, though.

Didn't know about grass seed harvesting. On the ranch, we would burn some of the marshy areas that dried out late in the summer, then irrigate to get some grass the cows would actually eat. Used a small flame thrower to light the grass. We picked calm days, but every now and then a little breeze would come up and we'd have to run ahead to set some back fires. Never had one get away from us (unlike a neighbor), but had some impressive looking flames burning together to the middle of the field.

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#55 Post by Dan Bowman » September 10th, 2020, 11:32 am

Our favorite winery in southern (Talent) OR, Simple Machine, was lost in yesterday's Almeda fire.
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#56 Post by brigcampbell » September 10th, 2020, 11:35 am

talent and phoenix wiped off the map...
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Our favorite winery in southern (Talent) OR, Simple Machine, was lost in yesterday's Almeda fire.
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#57 Post by Lee Short » September 10th, 2020, 11:55 am

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I heard Portland lost power last night?
Depends on where you were in Portland. We lost power briefly twice, other friends had longer outages.

I woke up Tuesday morning to what looked like an overcast sky with rain coming down. It was actually smoke, with small bits of ash coming down. Maybe it was Monday morning; I've forgotten by now.

I've watered my lawn every day for the last four days. Hadn't watered my grass in at least 20 years.

Air quality is so bad we won't even let our cats out. This does not lead to happy cats, but we're very thankful that this is the extent of our problems.

Looks like we're supposed to get rain Monday night, Tuesday, and Wednesday -- looks like the rain should extend to much of central Oregon west of the Cascades and maybe even southern Oregon.

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#58 Post by Alan Rath » September 10th, 2020, 12:57 pm

Is there word on how all these oregon fires started?
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#59 Post by Brian Glas » September 10th, 2020, 1:05 pm

A bit smoky in Seattle too. Nothing like Oregon/California though. We are forecast to get rain next week. Hopefully the showers will spread south.

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#60 Post by mmarcellus » September 10th, 2020, 1:05 pm

Alan Rath wrote:
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Is there word on how all these oregon fires started?
Portland General has received reports that some of the fires were started by their equipment, but so far this has not been confirmed.
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#61 Post by Al Osterheld » September 10th, 2020, 3:24 pm

From what I've read, there are something like 37 active fires in Oregon, most of them do not yet have known causes. But the majority of fires started outside of thunderstorms have human causes, in the end.

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#62 Post by Al Osterheld » September 10th, 2020, 3:25 pm

Tragic image of the Simple Machine winery, I think that was a sheet metal skinned building.

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#63 Post by Lee Short » September 10th, 2020, 7:34 pm

It's really smoky today here in Portland.

I've got an older house for Portland (1912), built long before Tyvek and never resealed. The whole house smells of smoke. I'm wearing a face mask in my office.

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#64 Post by Todd Hamina » September 10th, 2020, 8:14 pm

Outside Lincoln City... mile post 1:
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#65 Post by Brady Daniels » September 10th, 2020, 11:57 pm

Lee Short wrote:
September 10th, 2020, 7:34 pm
It's really smoky today here in Portland.

I've got an older house for Portland (1912), built long before Tyvek and never resealed. The whole house smells of smoke. I'm wearing a face mask in my office.
Yeah, super smoky today. The wind stopped allowing the smoke to descend. We are lucky our house is younger. But the smoke sure helped us find the windows we left open a crack!

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#66 Post by Casey Hartlip » September 11th, 2020, 5:27 am

Purple air has a spot east of Roseburg at 991. Our worsts day here was 161.
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#67 Post by Glenn L e v i n e » September 11th, 2020, 6:20 am

I’m in Stayton now, supporting their ER until Monday noon.

It’s toxic AF outside. Using Symbicort 3-4 puffs/day to stay breathing in a relaxed fashion.

Been level 2 evac here since Tuesday and powers-that-be sent me messages stating hospital will resume elective surgery today.
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#68 Post by brigcampbell » September 11th, 2020, 7:39 am

Al Osterheld wrote:
September 10th, 2020, 3:24 pm
From what I've read, there are something like 37 active fires in Oregon, most of them do not yet have known causes. But the majority of fires started outside of thunderstorms have human causes, in the end.

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#69 Post by jrozes » September 11th, 2020, 8:19 am

The dry easterly winds have died down and now a weak marine flow is starting to bring more humidity to the Willamette valley. The fires will continue to grow, but it seems like the explosive growth may be coming to an end.

Our AQI hit 451 yesterday. This morning it's "only" 303. The weather guy expects it to stay that way through Saturday, possibly Sunday.
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#70 Post by Glenn L e v i n e » September 11th, 2020, 8:25 am

981 here in Stayton
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#71 Post by Siun o'Connell » September 11th, 2020, 8:37 am

Does the hospital have good filtration? That sounds so horrid!

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#72 Post by John Peacock » September 11th, 2020, 8:40 am

Winds are expected to shift from E to W in the next day or two, which will blow all the smoke from the last few days that is sitting just off the coast back across Portland and the Willamette Valley.
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#73 Post by Rick Allen » September 11th, 2020, 9:04 am

Stay safe Doc!

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#74 Post by Glenn L e v i n e » September 11th, 2020, 9:34 am

Siun o'Connell wrote:
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Does the hospital have good filtration? That sounds so horrid!
Legit smoky in hospital corridors. Not sure what you can tell from photo but it’s worse in real life.

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#75 Post by Glenn L e v i n e » September 11th, 2020, 9:34 am

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#76 Post by Lonnie F. » September 11th, 2020, 9:49 am

Glenn L e v i n e wrote:
September 11th, 2020, 9:34 am
Siun o'Connell wrote:
September 11th, 2020, 8:37 am
Does the hospital have good filtration? That sounds so horrid!
Legit smoky in hospital corridors.
And restarting elective surgery?
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#77 Post by Mich@el Ch@ng » September 11th, 2020, 9:49 am

Is 981 even compatible w life?

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#78 Post by Gray G » September 11th, 2020, 10:01 am

-hang in there Glenn, our local surgery centers remained closed but we've been business as normal provided people can make it in
-no smoke in our home or offices
-had a dinner meeting with 15 others last night at my golf club (Lovers, Salt, Patrina, Cattle King), course closed, but food and beverage all good
-I walked to and from my office 1.7 miles each way with 2 level-2 surgical masks on
-we need rain!!!!!!
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#79 Post by Glenn L e v i n e » September 11th, 2020, 10:03 am

Mich@el Ch@ng wrote:
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Is 981 even compatible w life?
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#80 Post by Carole Meredith » September 11th, 2020, 10:32 am

Alan Rath wrote:
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Is there word on how all these oregon fires started?
I read that there was a windstorm on Monday evening of historic intensity. Trees blowing into power lines, etc. A phenomenon we know well in California.
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#81 Post by B. Buzzini » September 11th, 2020, 10:34 am

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#82 Post by Gray G » September 11th, 2020, 10:38 am

Carole Meredith wrote:
September 11th, 2020, 10:32 am
Alan Rath wrote:
September 10th, 2020, 12:57 pm
Is there word on how all these oregon fires started?
I read that there was a windstorm on Monday evening of historic intensity. Trees blowing into power lines, etc. A phenomenon we know well in California.
yes, up the Mckenzie River in Blue River the power company said they were going to turn off the power prior to the wind and then did not, leading to a maelstrom of fallen trees and downed live power lines causing fires and blocking service crews from entering the area
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#83 Post by jrozes » September 11th, 2020, 11:10 am

Carole Meredith wrote:
September 11th, 2020, 10:32 am
Alan Rath wrote:
September 10th, 2020, 12:57 pm
Is there word on how all these oregon fires started?
I read that there was a windstorm on Monday evening of historic intensity. Trees blowing into power lines, etc. A phenomenon we know well in California.
Yes, absolutely crazy winds out of the east. I saw recordings of 62 mph near Lincoln City on the coast and 93 mph at Hoodoo in the Cascades.
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#84 Post by T Klonoski » September 11th, 2020, 11:47 am

Eric Lundblad wrote:
September 8th, 2020, 4:41 pm

https://firms.modaps.eosdis.nasa.gov/ma ... .4,40.2,6z

Very well thought out & laid out website. This includes options for both VIIRS and Modus...the two best satellite fire imaging (note, there's some sort of problem with Modus at the moment, so that's turned off by default...you can turn it on to see it doesn't work tho!).
Quite the bleak picture on a Friday afternoon.
The wind shift cannot come too soon.
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#85 Post by Glenn L e v i n e » September 11th, 2020, 2:13 pm

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Stay safe Doc!
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#86 Post by Kirk.Grant » September 11th, 2020, 2:46 pm

Glenn L e v i n e wrote:
September 11th, 2020, 2:13 pm
Rick Allen wrote:
September 11th, 2020, 9:04 am
Stay safe Doc!
I need stat H-A in bombers.
Yes, Glenn...I hope you and everyone close to these fires are safe.
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#87 Post by P@u1_M3nk3s » September 11th, 2020, 3:12 pm

Glenn L e v i n e wrote:
September 11th, 2020, 2:13 pm
Rick Allen wrote:
September 11th, 2020, 9:04 am
Stay safe Doc!
I need stat H-A in bombers.
For a second, I thought this was some obscure medical lingo. Then noticed who this was in response to. Ya, all of us on the west coast need some. Stat. Stay safe, all.
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#88 Post by Chuck Miller » September 11th, 2020, 3:34 pm

The fires in OR and CA are horrible, and my best to everyone. WA state is also burning, but not getting quite as much focus, possibly due to it not affecting vineyards and wineries so much. But homes and lives are being lost, sadly.

While CA has had a little over 2% of its total acreage burned this fire season, WA has had 3% burned in JUST THE LAST 4 DAYS. And on top of the smoke we are generating on our own, now we are getting hit from the huge mass of smoke off the CA and OR coast being carried into our main population areas in Western WA. Very smoky here the last few days, and forecast to get worse this weekend. The pictures don’t look as apocalyptic as what I have seen in our southern neighbors, but it’s pretty bad.
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#89 Post by Lee Short » September 11th, 2020, 4:18 pm

Chuck Miller wrote:
September 11th, 2020, 3:34 pm
The fires in OR and CA are horrible, and my best to everyone. WA state is also burning, but not getting quite as much focus, possibly due to it not affecting vineyards and wineries so much. But homes and lives are being lost, sadly.

While CA has had a little over 2% of its total acreage burned this fire season, WA has had 3% burned in JUST THE LAST 4 DAYS. And on top of the smoke we are generating on our own, now we are getting hit from the huge mass of smoke off the CA and OR coast being carried into our main population areas in Western WA. Very smoky here the last few days, and forecast to get worse this weekend. The pictures don’t look as apocalyptic as what I have seen in our southern neighbors, but it’s pretty bad.
I've heard that 10% of the acreage of the west slope of the Cascades in Oregon is currently on fire or already burned. So, um, yay.

Should be a bumper crop for morels next year, I guess.

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#90 Post by Dan Kravitz » September 11th, 2020, 4:43 pm

My hopes that everybody survives. With today's news, it doesn't look like Oregon is any better off than California, maybe as bad or worse in some places.

Talked to friends in Denver, who went from 102 degrees F to 3 inches of snow in 24 hours. Obviously nowhere near as bad as California, Oregon and Washington, but at least as bizarre. Cooler weather for you please. Buildings can be damaged or lost. Crops can be ruined. I just hope for minimal loss of life.

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#91 Post by Marcus Goodfellow » September 11th, 2020, 10:28 pm

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My hopes that everybody survives. With today's news, it doesn't look like Oregon is any better off than California, maybe as bad or worse in some places.

Talked to friends in Denver, who went from 102 degrees F to 3 inches of snow in 24 hours. Obviously nowhere near as bad as California, Oregon and Washington, but at least as bizarre. Cooler weather for you please. Buildings can be damaged or lost. Crops can be ruined. I just hope for minimal loss of life.

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I wish the same.

The western portion of the valley where many of the vineyards are is a pocket between fires burning on nearly every side. Most are some distance away, although the Chehalem Mtn fire is about 4 miles from Whistling Ridge. The east winds kept smoke up high as the fires spread rapidly. As winds died down, the smoke dropped down too(yesterday). But proximities and winds should keep us away from fresh smoke. We shall see, I would be happier if we could get samples back in tike to be useful. But I also think there will be plenty of good wines made this year. I just hope that we are part of that group. We’ll send in samples when ferments are done, since those samples will be faster to process.
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#92 Post by Chris Blum » September 12th, 2020, 6:18 am

I hope the dawn is bringing better news. Above all else, be safe.

Does this part of Oregon have a pine beetle problem?
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#93 Post by Rick Allen » September 12th, 2020, 8:27 am

Chris Blum wrote:
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I hope the dawn is bringing better news. Above all else, be safe.

Does this part of Oregon have a pine beetle problem?
I don't believe so. That is an issue east of the Cascades and most of the fires are on the west side. A number of these fires started a month ago. The fire control folks will usually let a fire burn if it doesn't threaten anyone, it's in very difficult terrain, and there are other, more threatening fires. The unseasonably strong and very dry wind pushed these fires 30 miles in one night. Couple that with a number of power lines starting fires as they came down in the strong winds, and you have a disaster.

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#94 Post by Max S. » September 12th, 2020, 8:34 am

Dan Kravitz wrote:
September 11th, 2020, 4:43 pm
My hopes that everybody survives. With today's news, it doesn't look like Oregon is any better off than California, maybe as bad or worse in some places.

Talked to friends in Denver, who went from 102 degrees F to 3 inches of snow in 24 hours. Obviously nowhere near as bad as California, Oregon and Washington, but at least as bizarre. Cooler weather for you please. Buildings can be damaged or lost. Crops can be ruined. I just hope for minimal loss of life.

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Yea, that's not a super unusual occurrence here in Denver. Something like that seems to happen every other year at the least.
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Re: Fires-Oregon

#95 Post by Mike DiSalvo » September 12th, 2020, 9:01 am

Sister-in-law lives in the mountains outside of Portland evacuated their home under construction (and tree farm) two days ago....we are at Friday Harbor in the San Juan Islands and smoke drift is thick this morning. We drove yesterday from Mt Rainier to Anacortes and started seeing smoke fairly quick. Probably will cut our trip short and head back to Ohio if can get a flight. Portland and Seattle currently have the worst air quality in the World- Worst than Delhi or Dubai.....Very distressing to see what is happening to these beautiful states.
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Re: Fires-Oregon

#96 Post by Glenn L e v i n e » September 12th, 2020, 9:04 am

I’m in the lobby of the hospital I’m covering next to the huge HVAC blower they added here. Just finishin’ my coffee...

Fire Marshal shut the elevators down yesterday so when I want to see a patient it’s three flights.

I’m in the field, not the house.
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Re: Fires-Oregon

#97 Post by Albert R » September 12th, 2020, 9:28 am

Glenn L e v i n e wrote:
September 12th, 2020, 9:04 am
I’m in the lobby of the hospital I’m covering next to the huge HVAC blower they added here. Just finishin’ my coffee...

Fire Marshal shut the elevators down yesterday so when I want to see a patient it’s three flights.

I’m in the field, not the house.
Be safe Doc. Remember you are retired or at least semi-retired!
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Re: Fires-Oregon

#98 Post by jrozes » September 12th, 2020, 9:45 am

Rick Allen wrote:
September 12th, 2020, 8:27 am
A number of these fires started a month ago. The fire control folks will usually let a fire burn if it doesn't threaten anyone, it's in very difficult terrain, and there are other, more threatening fires. The unseasonably strong and very dry wind pushed these fires 30 miles in one night. Couple that with a number of power lines starting fires as they came down in the strong winds, and you have a disaster.
On Monday afternoon, the Beachie Creek fire was 469 acres. The following morning it was 131,000.
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Re: Fires-Oregon

#99 Post by emile bond » September 12th, 2020, 9:58 am

Is New Sammy’s Cowboy Bistro still standing in Talent? Fondly recalling impeccably cellared Egly Ouriet Coteaux Champenois Ambonnay Rouge 1996, Chave Hermitage Rouge 1989, & Le Gallais Wiltinger braune Kupp Auslese 1988 for a grand total of less than $500 on last visit. At least part of the cellar was under ground in old mining shafts, if memory serves. Heart goes out to those in Talent and surrounding areas.

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Re: Fires-Oregon

#100 Post by Alan Rath » September 12th, 2020, 11:16 am

jrozes wrote:
September 12th, 2020, 9:45 am
Rick Allen wrote:
September 12th, 2020, 8:27 am
A number of these fires started a month ago. The fire control folks will usually let a fire burn if it doesn't threaten anyone, it's in very difficult terrain, and there are other, more threatening fires. The unseasonably strong and very dry wind pushed these fires 30 miles in one night. Couple that with a number of power lines starting fires as they came down in the strong winds, and you have a disaster.
On Monday afternoon, the Beachie Creek fire was 469 acres. The following morning it was 131,000.
I’m seeing stories about casualties, and likely higher numbers to come. Sounds like a potentially tragic situation along the lines of the 2017 Tubbs fire in Napa/Sonoma.
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