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2018 Sine Qua Non Syrah/Grenache

#1 Post by JosephW » July 30th, 2020, 8:54 pm

I'm sure many of you got your offer in your inbox.

I'm not sure of the quality of the 2018 vintage so maybe someone can assist me there.

Seems like a buy?

2018 Sine Qua Non Syrah at $170 per bottle (750 ml)
2018 Sine Qua Non Grenache at $170 per bottle (750 ml)

Anyone else in?
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#2 Post by Robert M yers » July 30th, 2020, 9:00 pm

JosephW wrote:
July 30th, 2020, 8:54 pm

Seems like a buy?....


Anyone else in?
[rofl.gif]

Ps. Vintage doesn’t matter. [snort.gif]

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#3 Post by JosephW » July 30th, 2020, 9:10 pm

Robert M yers wrote:
July 30th, 2020, 9:00 pm
JosephW wrote:
July 30th, 2020, 8:54 pm

Seems like a buy?....


Anyone else in?
[rofl.gif]

Ps. Vintage doesn’t matter. [snort.gif]
Maybe someone can translate?
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#4 Post by Mark Y » July 30th, 2020, 10:31 pm

JosephW wrote:
July 30th, 2020, 9:10 pm
Robert M yers wrote:
July 30th, 2020, 9:00 pm
JosephW wrote:
July 30th, 2020, 8:54 pm

Seems like a buy?....


Anyone else in?
[rofl.gif]

Ps. Vintage doesn’t matter. [snort.gif]
Maybe someone can translate?
I think:

Mega long wait list.

People buy every release.
Y.e.

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#5 Post by JosephW » July 30th, 2020, 10:57 pm

Mark Y wrote:
July 30th, 2020, 10:31 pm
JosephW wrote:
July 30th, 2020, 9:10 pm
Robert M yers wrote:
July 30th, 2020, 9:00 pm


[rofl.gif]

Ps. Vintage doesn’t matter. [snort.gif]
Maybe someone can translate?
I think:

Mega long wait list.

People buy every release.
People have been dropping off the list and this isn't an easy flip like it once was.

I'll buy but just seeing how others feels.
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#6 Post by Mark Y » July 30th, 2020, 11:11 pm

JosephW wrote:
July 30th, 2020, 10:57 pm
Mark Y wrote:
July 30th, 2020, 10:31 pm
JosephW wrote:
July 30th, 2020, 9:10 pm


Maybe someone can translate?
I think:

Mega long wait list.

People buy every release.
People have been dropping off the list and this isn't an easy flip like it once was.

I'll buy but just seeing how others feels.

Cool cool.
I was just Trying to translate as requested :)
Y.e.

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#7 Post by Freek S u i j v e r » July 31st, 2020, 4:08 am

Definitely going to buy (first time on the list!).

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#8 Post by Mike Reff » July 31st, 2020, 7:04 am

I must be second or third wave, no email yet.
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#9 Post by Andrew Dodd » July 31st, 2020, 7:07 am

Beeep Beeep Beeep

(backing up the truck to load in all the SQN I can fit)

Sine Qua Non, Saxum and Alban I buy all I can afford regardless of vintage

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#10 Post by Ken Strauss » July 31st, 2020, 7:15 am

Buy buy buy!
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#11 Post by Br1an Th0rne » July 31st, 2020, 7:30 am

If you love Sine Qua Non, it is a definite buy! That said, it is getting much easier to pick up SQN on the secondary market for close to release price.

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#12 Post by larry schaffer » July 31st, 2020, 7:36 am

Br1an Th0rne wrote:
July 31st, 2020, 7:30 am
If you love Sine Qua Non, it is a definite buy! That said, it is getting much easier to pick up SQN on the secondary market for close to release price.
This - with the exception of the extended barrel aged stuff.

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#13 Post by BLaird » July 31st, 2020, 7:46 am

After almost 9yrs, numerous postcards and "sorry, but..." emails, I've made the list. Can I afford it? Barely. Am I buying? Beep, beep, beep......
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#14 Post by Joe Raymond » July 31st, 2020, 7:59 am

Like a few on here I got my first offer as well! I will buy all I can for sure. Love their wines!!
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#15 Post by David K o l i n » July 31st, 2020, 8:17 am

On the fence on whether I’m going to pick up my allocation. I think many spots may open up as a result of COVID

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#16 Post by T. Altmayer » July 31st, 2020, 8:19 am

My email has been down for two days, so went on the site and no allocation yet. Is the actual release date next week?
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#17 Post by Dennis Borczon » July 31st, 2020, 9:09 am

Br1an Th0rne wrote:
July 31st, 2020, 7:30 am
If you love Sine Qua Non, it is a definite buy! That said, it is getting much easier to pick up SQN on the secondary market for close to release price.
Flippers are buying up the Anthony Faucci baseball cards instead. [rofl.gif]

The wines are what they are. Sooner or later the endless hype Manfred got from Parker will run out of gas. Perhaps at this point people will buy them for just the wine itself. There are very few Rhone variety wines that sell for more around the globe. Think SQN has about reached the ceiling for pricing.

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#18 Post by mark rudner » July 31st, 2020, 9:25 am

larry schaffer wrote:
July 31st, 2020, 7:36 am
Br1an Th0rne wrote:
July 31st, 2020, 7:30 am
If you love Sine Qua Non, it is a definite buy! That said, it is getting much easier to pick up SQN on the secondary market for close to release price.
This - with the exception of the extended barrel aged stuff.

Cheers.
as we've discussed before, just back up the truck and buy some aged, "off-vintage" 11's
including the eba patines which are awesome [cheers.gif]

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#19 Post by K_F_o_l_e_y » July 31st, 2020, 9:41 am

Joe Raymond wrote:
July 31st, 2020, 7:59 am
Like a few on here I got my first offer as well! I will buy all I can for sure. Love their wines!!
Do you know when you originally signed up? Interesting to see if CoV/economy is having any effect.

Waiting list was 9 years when I got on in 2018.
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#20 Post by Curtis Chen » July 31st, 2020, 9:46 am

larry schaffer wrote:
July 31st, 2020, 7:36 am
Br1an Th0rne wrote:
July 31st, 2020, 7:30 am
If you love Sine Qua Non, it is a definite buy! That said, it is getting much easier to pick up SQN on the secondary market for close to release price.
This - with the exception of the extended barrel aged stuff.

Cheers.
Brian and Larry are correct. New buyers should take note.
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#21 Post by markjchambers » July 31st, 2020, 12:05 pm

My e-mail says "save the date" and says the store is open on Aug. 5. I don't think they do waves. With shipping and tax, it will cost me
~$200 a bottle. I agree that the age of flipping SQN is pretty much gone. You can get many of the recent releases on winebid for about a 20-30% premium over release.
Occasionally the offer is even below release price (2011 and 2014 EBAs for example).

I agree the pricing has crept up, but the post stating that they are the among the most expensive rhone varietal producers is not quite true.
There are high for California, but Colgin and Kongsgard are right up there. Then there is Rayas, Chave, Guigal La-Las and various Hermitage releases.
Then you have the top Oz wines: Grange, Hill of Grace, Astralis, Torbreck Run Rig and Les Amis. And don't forget Hors Categorie. I'm sure there are
others selling for $200+.

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#22 Post by K_F_o_l_e_y » July 31st, 2020, 12:23 pm

markjchambers wrote:
July 31st, 2020, 12:05 pm
My e-mail says "save the date" and says the store is open on Aug. 5.
BTW, my email says Aug 4th.

Works out to $181/bottle shipping to MA.
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#23 Post by Dennis Borczon » July 31st, 2020, 12:43 pm

markjchambers wrote:
July 31st, 2020, 12:05 pm
My e-mail says "save the date" and says the store is open on Aug. 5. I don't think they do waves. With shipping and tax, it will cost me
~$200 a bottle. I agree that the age of flipping SQN is pretty much gone. You can get many of the recent releases on winebid for about a 20-30% premium over release.
Occasionally the offer is even below release price (2011 and 2014 EBAs for example).

I agree the pricing has crept up, but the post stating that they are the among the most expensive rhone varietal producers is not quite true.
There are high for California, but Colgin and Kongsgard are right up there. Then there is Rayas, Chave, Guigal La-Las and various Hermitage releases.
Then you have the top Oz wines: Grange, Hill of Grace, Astralis, Torbreck Run Rig and Les Amis. And don't forget Hors Categorie. I'm sure there are
others selling for $200+.
Pretty much top 20 worldwide however. Those examples are the cream of the crop, and Grange if I am not mistaken has a drop or two of cabernet mixed in at times? La Las are pretty small production where Manfred is expanding his vineyards and bringing more product on line. Rayas? yeah that is the hot commodity now but try and lay your hands on a bottle. Australis is comparable price, about 200$.

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#24 Post by Dennis Borczon » July 31st, 2020, 12:54 pm

Just did a quick check, Run Rig is $179.99 at K and L. Hundo point rating.

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#25 Post by markjchambers » July 31st, 2020, 3:35 pm

Sorry for my typo, it is Aug. 4.

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#26 Post by Trevor Looney » July 31st, 2020, 5:57 pm

I've been buying since 2013 and will again this release. Probably two bottles each.

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#27 Post by Curtis Chen » July 31st, 2020, 6:38 pm

Trevor Looney wrote:
July 31st, 2020, 5:57 pm
I've been buying since 2013 and will again this release. Probably two bottles each.
It’s not all or none?
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#28 Post by Kris Patten » July 31st, 2020, 7:08 pm

Curtis Chen wrote:
July 31st, 2020, 6:38 pm
Trevor Looney wrote:
July 31st, 2020, 5:57 pm
I've been buying since 2013 and will again this release. Probably two bottles each.
It’s not all or none?
You can buy whatever you want, if you get large formats they ask that you buy whole offer.
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#29 Post by Joe Raymond » August 1st, 2020, 7:59 am

K_F_o_l_e_y wrote:
July 31st, 2020, 9:41 am
Joe Raymond wrote:
July 31st, 2020, 7:59 am
Like a few on here I got my first offer as well! I will buy all I can for sure. Love their wines!!
Do you know when you originally signed up? Interesting to see if CoV/economy is having any effect.

Waiting list was 9 years when I got on in 2018.
I don’t remember the exact date but I feel like sometime in 2012?
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#30 Post by TimF » August 3rd, 2020, 12:13 pm

I was surprised to see my allocation is 6 each now. What's the initial allocation?
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#31 Post by Ryan Gilmour » August 3rd, 2020, 12:20 pm

If this is an allocation people can share and you're passing on some or all I would love to pick up a couple.

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#32 Post by Robert M yers » August 3rd, 2020, 12:22 pm

TimF wrote:
August 3rd, 2020, 12:13 pm
I was surprised to see my allocation is 6 each now. What's the initial allocation?
I think that the normal allocation unless you ask for different, although I’ve heard sometimes the first one might be less as they try to squeeze people on?

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#33 Post by Chris Echeck » August 3rd, 2020, 5:07 pm

If anyone is passing please let me know. I would love the allocation

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#34 Post by Dusty Gillson » August 3rd, 2020, 5:24 pm

As an additional data point, I signed up in 2011 I believe. Early enough that I received the actual post cards telling me to pound sand for a few years before they went to email only. I just got the save the date a few weeks ago after an email saying that I would either get a first offer on this go around or the next.

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#35 Post by Mont Stern » August 3rd, 2020, 6:14 pm

$15 per bottle shipping. [swearing.gif]

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#36 Post by markjchambers » August 3rd, 2020, 6:24 pm

The standard Spring allocation is 6 + 6. You can wish for more, but I've never gotten any extra. After many years, you might get offered the magnum set. I've been on >10 years and I was just offered magnums last year. I have been getting two estate boxes for several years. Not sure what the next level is, or if I could afford it.

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#37 Post by lsmorris » August 4th, 2020, 6:05 am

I finally made the bigs after joining the waiting list 8 years ago to the day (8/4/2012). I didn't include it in the budget so stuff will be moved around, but I will obviously be taking my 3+3. But no more new lists for me! I mean it this time.
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#38 Post by K_F_o_l_e_y » August 4th, 2020, 7:19 am

markjchambers wrote:
August 3rd, 2020, 6:24 pm
The standard Spring allocation is 6 + 6. You can wish for more, but I've never gotten any extra. After many years, you might get offered the magnum set. I've been on >10 years and I was just offered magnums last year. I have been getting two estate boxes for several years. Not sure what the next level is, or if I could afford it.
The standard allocation for us newbies is 3+3.
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#39 Post by Michael Fess » August 4th, 2020, 9:01 am

First time get offered to wish list mags. I will add it on.

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#40 Post by K_F_o_l_e_y » August 4th, 2020, 9:15 am

Names:

2020 Sine Qua Non Grenache "Profuga"
2018 Sine Qua Non Syrah "Squeezebox"

Actually got allocated 3+6 this time.
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#41 Post by Charles Hetzel » August 4th, 2020, 9:17 am

Excited for these wines ... order placed for my full allocation including Mags
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#42 Post by Eric White » August 4th, 2020, 9:24 am

order in for my full allocation - huge this time, 9+9+squeezbox of Magnums. That hurt a bit.

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#43 Post by Brian Bohr » August 4th, 2020, 9:31 am

Joined the waitlist 8/2/12. Received my first allocation of 3 + 3 today (with option to wishlist additional bottles and mags)
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#44 Post by K_F_o_l_e_y » August 4th, 2020, 9:34 am

Brian Bohr wrote:
August 4th, 2020, 9:31 am
Joined the waitlist 8/2/12. Received my first allocation of 3 + 3 today (with option to wishlist additional bottles and mags)
So it's dropped from 9 to 8 years wait, apparently.
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#45 Post by YacobovE » August 4th, 2020, 9:40 am

Anyone know the cost for the mag box? As a wishlist only option the price shown is $0 (feels a little too good to be true)
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#46 Post by K_F_o_l_e_y » August 4th, 2020, 9:48 am

They also raised shipping from $11 to $15/bottle.
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#47 Post by Glenn L e v i n e » August 4th, 2020, 9:54 am

Who’s got the best email address? So far I got no offer.
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#48 Post by YacobovE » August 4th, 2020, 9:57 am

Glenn L e v i n e wrote:
August 4th, 2020, 9:54 am
Who’s got the best email address? So far I got no offer.
Use link in save the date to access offer
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#49 Post by cjsavino » August 4th, 2020, 9:58 am

Glenn L e v i n e wrote:
August 4th, 2020, 9:54 am
Who’s got the best email address? So far I got no offer.
stacy@sinequanonwines.com

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You should be able to log in and get your offer
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#50 Post by Glenn L e v i n e » August 4th, 2020, 10:02 am

Thx!
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