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Personal Favorites With The Cedric Bouchard Lineup?

#1 Post by Michael S. Monie » July 30th, 2020, 11:38 am

I'm curious which wines those of you here like the best. Thanks.
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#2 Post by D@vid Bu3ker » July 30th, 2020, 11:43 am

I love Ursules
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#3 Post by AD Northup » July 30th, 2020, 11:45 am

Presle for me
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#4 Post by Claus Jeppesen » July 30th, 2020, 12:13 pm

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I love Ursules
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#5 Post by Brian S t o t t e r » July 30th, 2020, 12:33 pm

La Boloree
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#6 Post by Michael S. Monie » July 30th, 2020, 1:00 pm

Brian S t o t t e r wrote:
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La Boloree
Being 100% Pinot Blanc, how does it compare to a Chardonnay BdB?
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#7 Post by David Goerisch » July 30th, 2020, 2:33 pm

All of them! But probably the Presle would be my first pick, followed closely by the Bechalin and the Ursules. Also, I think it's hard to find a champagne better that the Val Vilaine at its price point (although several of the Laherte Freres offerings are in the running).

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#8 Post by Brad Baker » July 30th, 2020, 3:13 pm

Creux d'Enfer is my favorite followed by Les Ursules. Val Vilaine is a value pick for the range. The only wine that leaves me scratching my head is La Boloree, but I am not a fan of Pinot Blanc in my Champagne.
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#9 Post by Michael S. Monie » July 30th, 2020, 3:29 pm

Creux d'Enfer is made only as Rose?
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#10 Post by Brad Baker » July 30th, 2020, 3:55 pm

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Creux d'Enfer is made only as Rose?
Yes, only as a Rose and Bouchard's only Rose - made via Saignee/Maceration over a three to four day period. It is also his smallest production as it comes from just 3-4 rows of vines in the vineyard. Cedric's 3-4 rows only amount to 0.032 ha of vines. He only makes two to five hundred bottles of each vintage. It is his hardest wine to find and his most expensive.

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#11 Post by scamhi » July 30th, 2020, 4:26 pm

Creux d'enfer for me too. Very small production
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#12 Post by Robert M yers » July 30th, 2020, 4:30 pm

Brad Baker wrote:
July 30th, 2020, 3:55 pm
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Creux d'Enfer is made only as Rose?
Yes, only as a Rose and Bouchard's only Rose - made via Saignee/Maceration over a three to four day period. It is also his smallest production as it comes from just 3-4 rows of vines in the vineyard. Cedric's 3-4 rows only amount to 0.032 ha of vines. He only makes a two to five hundred bottles of each vintage. It is his hardest wine to find and his most expensive.
Is there something special about these 3-4 rows? Wondering why he would limit it to such a tiny amount?

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#13 Post by Brad Baker » July 30th, 2020, 5:09 pm

Robert,

Because that is all he owns in this vineyard. He would make more if he could and he would buy more if he could. A lot of growers are in this situation. I remember walking one vineyard with Jean-Paul Hebrart of Marc Hebrart and he would point out that he owned these three rows and then those three and then four over there... You get what you can and make what you can. Land is expensive in Champagne and there is a lot of competition to buy it up amongst folks.
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#14 Post by AD Northup » July 30th, 2020, 5:13 pm

Brad Baker wrote:
July 30th, 2020, 5:09 pm
Robert,

Because that is all he owns in this vineyard. He would make more if he could and he would buy more if he could. A lot of growers are in this situation. I remember walking one vineyard with Jean-Paul Hebrart of Marc Hebrart and he would point out that he owned these three rows and then those three and then four over there... You get what you can and make what you can. Land is expensive in Champagne and there is a lot of competition to buy it up amongst folks.
Hey Brad,

The bigger question for me is if there is some particular aspect or particularity of this lieux-dit that made Cedric choose a rose as opposed to a Blanc de noirs?
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#15 Post by Brad Baker » July 30th, 2020, 6:22 pm

AD Northup wrote:
July 30th, 2020, 5:13 pm
Brad Baker wrote:
July 30th, 2020, 5:09 pm
Robert,

Because that is all he owns in this vineyard. He would make more if he could and he would buy more if he could. A lot of growers are in this situation. I remember walking one vineyard with Jean-Paul Hebrart of Marc Hebrart and he would point out that he owned these three rows and then those three and then four over there... You get what you can and make what you can. Land is expensive in Champagne and there is a lot of competition to buy it up amongst folks.
Hey Brad,

The bigger question for me is if there is some particular aspect or particularity of this lieux-dit that made Cedric choose a rose as opposed to a Blanc de noirs?
Andrew,

I don't know the answer to your question. It seems like a simple one, but I never asked and am kicking myself for how logical it would have been to have asked Cedric this. I would guess maybe it had to do with the exposition and size? Maybe William Kelley or someone else here knows?

Your question also made me realize that I should point out that while Cedric has only 3-4 rows of Pinot Noir vines in the Creux d'Enfer vineyard, he owns bit more. In the early 2000s, Cedric planted an additional 3 rows to Chardonnay. These Chardonnay vines were part of his still wine experiment that he decided not to release. I am not sure what he is doing with these rows of vines today and should probably ask.

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#16 Post by AD Northup » July 30th, 2020, 6:27 pm

Brad Baker wrote:
July 30th, 2020, 6:22 pm
AD Northup wrote:
July 30th, 2020, 5:13 pm
Brad Baker wrote:
July 30th, 2020, 5:09 pm
Robert,

Because that is all he owns in this vineyard. He would make more if he could and he would buy more if he could. A lot of growers are in this situation. I remember walking one vineyard with Jean-Paul Hebrart of Marc Hebrart and he would point out that he owned these three rows and then those three and then four over there... You get what you can and make what you can. Land is expensive in Champagne and there is a lot of competition to buy it up amongst folks.
Hey Brad,

The bigger question for me is if there is some particular aspect or particularity of this lieux-dit that made Cedric choose a rose as opposed to a Blanc de noirs?
Andrew,

I don't know the answer to your question. It seems like a simple one, but I never asked and am kicking myself for how logical it would have been to have asked Cedric this. I would guess maybe it had to do with the exposition and size? Maybe William Kelley or someone else here knows?

Your question also made me realize that I should point out that while Cedric has only 3-4 rows of Pinot Noir vines in the Creux d'Enfer vineyard, he owns bit more. In the early 2000s, Cedric planted an additional 3 rows to Chardonnay. These Chardonnay vines were part of his still wine experiment that he decided not to release. I am not sure what he is doing with these rows of vines today and should probably ask.

Sometimes the simple questions are the best ones.
Thanks Brad. Very interesting on the Coteaux Champenois, have you had the opportunity to try it? Would be interested to know the style of the wine produced.

Hopefully someone has some insight to the original question, otherwise, please let me know should have have the chance to enquire in the future.
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#17 Post by Michael S. Monie » July 30th, 2020, 7:17 pm

It seems as though the Pinot dominated wines are the favorite here. Any thoughts on the Chardonnay Blanc de Blanc La Haute Lemble?
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#18 Post by Brad Baker » July 31st, 2020, 9:12 am

AD Northup wrote:
July 30th, 2020, 6:27 pm
Thanks Brad. Very interesting on the Coteaux Champenois, have you had the opportunity to try it? Would be interested to know the style of the wine produced.

Hopefully someone has some insight to the original question, otherwise, please let me know should have have the chance to enquire in the future.
Cedric ended up not moving forward with his Coteaux Champenois project. I was able to sample a few of the wines pre-bottling a decade ago and they seemed nice enough for Coteaux Champenois. What I tasted was still aging and not yet ready for release, but the wines were promising and I looked forward to tasting them when officially launched. In contrast to his Champagne, he made his Coteaux Champenois in oak and his goal was to only bottle in magnums. In the end, Cedric wasn't happy with the quality of the wines and never released anything. He thought the wine turned out better as Champagne than still wine.

To me, what is most interesting about this cancelled project is that Cedric never really liked Champagne as a wine and his heart and soul were set on making still wines. Bubbles are a distraction and annoyance to Cedric, but he makes the best wines that he can from the land that he has.
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#19 Post by AD Northup » July 31st, 2020, 9:54 am

Brad Baker wrote:
July 31st, 2020, 9:12 am
AD Northup wrote:
July 30th, 2020, 6:27 pm
Thanks Brad. Very interesting on the Coteaux Champenois, have you had the opportunity to try it? Would be interested to know the style of the wine produced.

Hopefully someone has some insight to the original question, otherwise, please let me know should have have the chance to enquire in the future.
Cedric ended up not moving forward with his Coteaux Champenois project. I was able to sample a few of the wines pre-bottling a decade ago and they seemed nice enough for Coteaux Champenois. What I tasted was still aging and not yet ready for release, but the wines were promising and I looked forward to tasting them when officially launched. In contrast to his Champagne, he made his Coteaux Champenois in oak and his goal was to only bottle in magnums. In the end, Cedric wasn't happy with the quality of the wines and never released anything. He thought the wine turned out better as Champagne than still wine.

To me, what is most interesting about this cancelled project is that Cedric never really liked Champagne as a wine and his heart and soul were set on making still wines. Bubbles are a distraction and annoyance to Cedric, but he makes the best wines that he can from the land that he has.
Thanks Brad!
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#20 Post by RyanC » July 31st, 2020, 12:49 pm

Brad Baker wrote:
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Cedric never really liked Champagne as a wine and his heart and soul were set on making still wines. Bubbles are a distraction and annoyance to Cedric, but he makes the best wines that he can from the land that he has.
That's amazing. He's doing something right: his Champagnes are some of my favorite wines on earth.
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#21 Post by Brad Baker » July 31st, 2020, 1:09 pm

I wonder if Cedric kept any of his Coteaux Champenois wines at all. It would be interesting to see how they aged. I believe he ended up selling most of the still wine he made off to negociants who used it as reserve wine for Champagne.
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#22 Post by Neal.Mollen » July 31st, 2020, 1:15 pm

RyanC wrote:
July 31st, 2020, 12:49 pm
Brad Baker wrote:
July 31st, 2020, 9:12 am
Cedric never really liked Champagne as a wine and his heart and soul were set on making still wines. Bubbles are a distraction and annoyance to Cedric, but he makes the best wines that he can from the land that he has.
That's amazing. He's doing something right: his Champagnes are some of my favorite wines on earth.
It is freaking bizarre.
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#23 Post by Michael S. Monie » July 31st, 2020, 2:29 pm

Michael S. Monie wrote:
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It seems as though the Pinot dominated wines are the favorite here. Any thoughts on the Chardonnay Blanc de Blanc La Haute Lemble?
Galloni loves this. Anyone else had it?
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#24 Post by David_K » July 31st, 2020, 7:31 pm

Michael S. Monie wrote:
July 31st, 2020, 2:29 pm
Michael S. Monie wrote:
July 30th, 2020, 7:17 pm
It seems as though the Pinot dominated wines are the favorite here. Any thoughts on the Chardonnay Blanc de Blanc La Haute Lemble?
Galloni loves this. Anyone else had it?
I've had it once. I liked it well enough but to be honest it didn't taste much different than the Val Vilaine even though it was made from Chardonnay. Good but not special and not worth the tariff IMO.
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