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Any thoughts on the upcoming Cirq offering?

#1 Post by John M Richards » July 8th, 2020, 12:54 pm

Michael Browne's latest wine is apparently a Pinot blend from the RRV.

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#2 Post by Glenn P » July 8th, 2020, 5:44 pm

Apparently the deal was for Michael to be able to use grapes from Treehouse and Bootlegger vineyards for a certain number of years and then Kosta Browne would take them over which they have started to do. This is Michael’s first venture apart from those vineyards and knowing his skill, I’ll bet it will be excellent!
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#3 Post by William Anzalone » July 8th, 2020, 7:23 pm

Jeb Dunnuck states that the 2017 Cirq is a "mix of the Treehouse, Bootlegger’s Hill, and a few other estates." I'm on the fence of purchasing but am intrigued by the future direction of Cirq and may buy in order to be able stick around for a few vintages and see how the winery progresses. Too bad the release is the day after Aubert's release.
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#4 Post by William Anzalone » July 15th, 2020, 9:23 am

Just received my allocation offer. It was for 1 bottle. Purchased the 1 for $150 but I don't believe I've ever seen an allocation for only 1 bottle before. Last year I didn't have an allocation but I was granted a wish list for 1 bottle, may be thats how my allocation was decided. Happy that I didn't have a big minimum allocation purchase and this will give an opportunity to try Cirq new direction.
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#5 Post by Bdklein » July 15th, 2020, 9:59 am

Buy Chenoweth Pinot . Same blend of grapes/vineyard (and I was told they get first crack at the best lots since the they own the vineyard) for half the price. Or Treehouse or Bootleggers SVD for less than KB.
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#6 Post by AndrewH » July 15th, 2020, 10:03 am

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Just received my allocation offer. It was for 1 bottle. Purchased the 1 for $150 but I don't believe I've ever seen an allocation for only 1 bottle before. Last year I didn't have an allocation but I was granted a wish list for 1 bottle, may be thats how my allocation was decided. Happy that I didn't have a big minimum allocation purchase and this will give an opportunity to try Cirq new direction.
Eye-popping price increase. Is PE backing this venture too?

I’ve received allocations of one bottle from KB, but with several wines with 1+ bottles so possible to fill out a case or close if desired.
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#7 Post by Bdklein » July 15th, 2020, 10:08 am

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July 15th, 2020, 9:59 am
Buy Chenoweth Pinot . Same blend of grapes/vineyard (and I was told they get first crack at the best lots since the they own the vineyard) for half the price. Or Treehouse or Bootleggers SVD for less than KB.
This whole KB/Cirq intertwining just reeks of money/business over winemaking . First MB leaves KB and wants to make SVD wine from the best sites . Then a few later he wants to make blends? Something behind the scenes is driving these decisions, and it's not altruistic.
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#8 Post by Bud Carey » July 15th, 2020, 10:10 am

Couldn't believe the ridiculous price increase. I'm out!!!
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#9 Post by William Anzalone » July 15th, 2020, 10:13 am

It was a $20 increase from the $130 2016 Bootlegger's Hill. Only in this far because of 1 bottle allocation and my curiosity to see where this goes.
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#10 Post by AndrewH » July 15th, 2020, 10:41 am

Looking back at my purchases for price, by vintage
2011-12: $100
2013-14: $125
2015-16: $130
2017: $150
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#11 Post by Jeffrey Kahn » July 15th, 2020, 10:44 am

Allocated 4 but that price. Oof. I love every bottle of theirs I have had but not sure I can justify it at this price point.

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#12 Post by ykwon » July 15th, 2020, 11:10 am

Allocation just dropped. Anyone a buyer?
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#13 Post by John Ammons » July 15th, 2020, 11:19 am

That has to be a record price for a California pinot that isn't sourced from a single vineyard site. Right?

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#14 Post by ykwon » July 15th, 2020, 11:22 am

John Ammons wrote:
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That has to be a record price for a California pinot that isn't sourced from a single vineyard site. Right?
Yes for RRV. However it’s Treehouse and Bootlegger Hill? Did they blend anything else?
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#15 Post by Bud Carey » July 15th, 2020, 11:50 am

Yes, from several RRV sources.
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#16 Post by AndrewH » July 15th, 2020, 11:53 am

Bdklein wrote:
July 15th, 2020, 10:08 am
Bdklein wrote:
July 15th, 2020, 9:59 am
Buy Chenoweth Pinot . Same blend of grapes/vineyard (and I was told they get first crack at the best lots since the they own the vineyard) for half the price. Or Treehouse or Bootleggers SVD for less than KB.
This whole KB/Cirq intertwining just reeks of money/business over winemaking . First MB leaves KB and wants to make SVD wine from the best sites . Then a few later he wants to make blends? Something behind the scenes is driving these decisions, and it's not altruistic.
Well, it's a business. The details didn't come out fully, but it seems clear that the Kosta Browne sale from JW Childs to Duckhorn led to some unwinding of prior arrangements between KB and Cirq , so MB has had to adjust his approach.

Hadn't picked this up the first time around, but he's got another wine coming soon under the Chev label. Chevwines.com I wonder if he'll be taking prices higher with that, or whether the Cirq name is going to disappear soon and this will be his new project - hopefully with more modest prices . . .
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#17 Post by Mich@el Ch@ng » July 15th, 2020, 12:05 pm

Only got a wish request but I’m not a buyer anyways at 150; I had bought from every vintage until the last one.

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#18 Post by Bdklein » July 15th, 2020, 1:31 pm

AndrewH wrote:
July 15th, 2020, 11:53 am
Bdklein wrote:
July 15th, 2020, 10:08 am
Bdklein wrote:
July 15th, 2020, 9:59 am
Buy Chenoweth Pinot . Same blend of grapes/vineyard (and I was told they get first crack at the best lots since the they own the vineyard) for half the price. Or Treehouse or Bootleggers SVD for less than KB.
This whole KB/Cirq intertwining just reeks of money/business over winemaking . First MB leaves KB and wants to make SVD wine from the best sites . Then a few later he wants to make blends? Something behind the scenes is driving these decisions, and it's not altruistic.
Well, it's a business. The details didn't come out fully, but it seems clear that the Kosta Browne sale from JW Childs to Duckhorn led to some unwinding of prior arrangements between KB and Cirq , so MB has had to adjust his approach.

Hadn't picked this up the first time around, but he's got another wine coming soon under the Chev label. Chevwines.com I wonder if he'll be taking prices higher with that, or whether the Cirq name is going to disappear soon and this will be his new project - hopefully with more modest prices . . .
So more confusion !!!
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#19 Post by John M Richards » July 15th, 2020, 5:55 pm

So... Marcassin prices for a 2017 RRV blend. Pass.

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#20 Post by AndrewH » July 27th, 2020, 8:35 am

Mich@el Ch@ng wrote:
July 15th, 2020, 12:05 pm
Only got a wish request but I’m not a buyer anyways at 150; I had bought from every vintage until the last one.
Much as I like the wines, I was swallowing hard with each price increase and this one pushes it too far for me.
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#21 Post by Bdklein » July 31st, 2020, 9:27 am

So any idea from what vineyard(s) this wine is sourced ?
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#22 Post by AndrewH » July 31st, 2020, 11:49 am

Bdklein wrote:
July 31st, 2020, 9:27 am
So any idea from what vineyard(s) this wine is sourced ?
Bootlegger's and Treehouse. And maybe some others as suggested up thread.
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